We all know the core group of scumbags here like; Paul Pollis, Rob Page, Mark Nichols, Mike Reemer, Chad Noe.. you know the type, well holy cow, what about Judy Groezinger?!?!? She's right up there with that lot if you ask me. Looks very guilty! You can just see it on her face :mad:

We all know the core group of scumbags here like; Paul Pollis, Rob Page, Mark Nichols, Mike Reemer, Chad Noe.. you know the type, well holy cow, what about Judy Groezinger?!?!? She's right up there with that lot if you ask me. Looks very guilty! You can just see it on her face :mad:

Let's not forget Gilbert Ortiz's wife........

Marie Hilley was definitely female scum. Also Elaine Antoinette Parent (woman who was thought to have murdered Bev McGowan), Cheryl Holland the sleaze who murdered her aunt and uncle Joe & Mattie Harvey and don't forget that scum of the earth Betty Day! :mad:

Don't forget about mother-in-laws! I can think of at least two.... the mother-in-laws of Charlotte Polis and Wendy Camp. :)

I was just thinking of Liza Montgomery. Sure, she was a woman who committed crimes, but they were all cons/thefts. I don't know if she'd be considered scum in the fact that she didn't hurt anybody physically, per se.

But, I guess she stole possessions from innocent people. So, maybe she would be scum in that respect.

The whole case was kind of comical to me, how she went on a 'shopping spree' from furniture to slot machines.....like she wanted a souvenier of Vegas or something!

Sharon Kinne deserves a mention after a prolific career.

Also one non-UM; Karla Homolka in the infamous Canadian case where her younger sister was a murder victim.

I guess there are a fair few females profiled who you wouldnt piss on if they were on fire. What puts Judy Goeszinger in the same basket as the ones I mentioned above (for me) was that she too goes on camera and denies any knowledge of her husband's murder. Honestly, if you commit such a crime, going on television trying to convince everyone of your innocence when it's so obvious to see you are guilty, isn't the best look.

Also one non-UM; Karla Homolka in the infamous Canadian case where her younger sister was a murder victim.

I thought she was going to be released this summer. Did that ever happen? "Scum" doesn't even begin to describe what a low-life she is.

Also wanted to mention Sante Kimes, who murdered and conned (and was even convicted of slavery) along with her son Kenny. Talk about a creeptastic pair...woah!

Andelina Gonzalez. I don't know what pisses me off more; the fact that she literally robbed the elderly man whose care she had been entrusted with or the fact that she was let go because her victim died. GRRRRR!

How about the woman who conned department stores into letting her collect from all the registers and disappear? (See Crystaldawn's #4 DVD)

I thought she was going to be released this summer. Did that ever happen? "Scum" doesn't even begin to describe what a low-life she is.!

Looks like she has been out for slightly more than a year, living in the Montreal area: http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=2a0fec0f-f2c4-4acf-b4d9-729bfacba68f&k=42377

Marie Hilley was definitely female scum.

She was a sociopath to the highest degree. I really don't think those people are in full control of their actions most of the time. It certainly does not condone what she did, but I would probably call her "sick" before I would consider her your run-of-the-mill scumbag.

Looks like she has been out for slightly more than a year, living in the Montreal area: http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=2a0fec0f-f2c4-4acf-b4d9-729bfacba68f&k=42377

Okay, I was JUST IN MONTREAL! The thought that I could have run into a freaking serial killer out on the street free as a bird is just insane to me. Canadian Justice really really screwed that one up.

Okay, I was JUST IN MONTREAL! The thought that I could have run into a freaking serial killer out on the street free as a bird is just insane to me. Canadian Justice really really screwed that one up.

Put a little bit of makeup on her and she's not too bad looking. :lol:

Ann Sigmin? The satanic chick who used Gary Goff to kill her ex-husband.

She is my vote for female scum of um. And she is still on the loose! I better be careful, she my put some evil curses or hexes on me!?! :lol:

What was the name of that woman who poisoned her husband and daughter so she could collect insurance money? She was evil.

What was the name of that woman who poisoned her husband and daughter so she could collect insurance money? She was evil.

Marie Hilley.

Don't forget about mother-in-laws! I can think of at least two.... the mother-in-laws of Charlotte Polis and Wendy Camp. :)
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Maria Secorro(The black widow)was female scum

I vote for them

Ladonna's Mom, satanic grandma who brainwashed her grandson Jared using satanic propaganda, dragging her OWN daughter in the muck, convince everyone she was a Satan worshiper (this was at the height of the satanic panic in the mid-80's early 90's). She then kidnapped him, but he was found safe and reunited with his mom.

If can find the segment, take a close look at the brilliant montage.
There's a subtle transition from a picture of Jared Peter's grandmother smoothly dissolves onto the image of Satan from the TV. :eek:
This is just as we Ladonna (Jared’s mom) say “she went from being a friend to my worst enemy ”… Cheeky editor … Some one went to film school! :p

Poloma Martin's mom who turned all racist and uptight and kidnapped her "whitest" of her bi-racial kids and neglecting the other ones.

Melvine Aprille

That woman who shacked up and got pregnant with Art Silva, a convicted child abuser. You'd think that the monthly visits from his social worker would give her a clue.:mad:

Ann Sigmin? The satanic chick who used Gary Goff to kill her ex-husband.

She is my vote for female scum of um. And she is still on the loose! I better be careful, she my put some evil curses or hexes on me!?! :lol:

Not only that, she'd would put a curse on you, while wearing a negligée. :crazy:

I vote for them

Ladonna's Mom, satanic grandma who brainwashed her grandson Jared using satanic propaganda, dragging her OWN daughter in the muck, convince everyone she was a Satan worshiper (this was at the height of the satanic panic in the mid-80's early 90's). She then kidnapped him, but he was found safe and reunited with his mom.
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This one was on you know what website about 4 months ago try searching "Satanic Grandma into the site's search engine.That was the name of the video.I'd give the link but that'd be breaking the forum's rules.

I'll cast a vote for Elena Emery as she pretty much told Adam what to do.

Oh yes, the female scum, well the ones that kidnapped their own kids for starters. Like the one where the mom kidnapped the son and the dad finally tracked her down after like 13 or 14 years only to find out their son had died of cancer a year earlier.

Then there is some more bad seeds, Marie Hilley, Melissa Munday, Ann Sigmund, Elaine Parent, Judy Groezinger to name a few.

Sherry Lynn Seymour & Robin Elizabeth Stevens; the con-team that robbed Yong Son Kim :mad:.

This one was on you know what website about 4 months ago try searching "Satanic Grandma into the site's search engine.That was the name of the video.I'd give the link but that'd be breaking the forum's rules.
That's where I saw it at first. I had noticed that little genious bit of montage since I could go back and forth over that segment, with ease. I had noticed the editor almost superimposed the grandmother's eyes with the eyes of Satan, to do the dissolve... When you break-down a show or a film, bit by bit, it's crazy all of the little subtleties that you can notice.

I vote for them

Ladonna's Mom, satanic grandma who brainwashed her grandson Jared using satanic propaganda, dragging her OWN daughter in the muck, convince everyone she was a Satan worshiper (this was at the height of the satanic panic in the mid-80's early 90's). She then kidnapped him, but he was found safe and reunited with his mom.

If can find the segment, take a close look at the brilliant montage.
There's a subtle transition from a picture of Jared Peter's grandmother smoothly dissolves onto the image of Satan from the TV. :eek:
This is just as we Ladonna (Jared’s mom) say “she went from being a friend to my worst enemy ”… Cheeky editor … Some one went to film school! :p

Poloma Martin's mom who turned all racist and uptight and kidnapped her "whitest" of her bi-racial kids and neglecting the other ones.

Melvine Aprille

That woman who shacked up and got pregnant with Art Silva, a convicted child abuser. You'd think that the monthly visits from his social worker would give her a clue.:mad:
I would also like to add the name of Elizabeth Fuentez Ortiz. This case was featured on the LIVE from the Telecenter segment.
She gave her husband a poisoned shake, claimed it was full of amino acids, the type of drink body builders guzzle down. He had been going to the gym to bulk up and get big, because "that's the kind of guy she likes". He almost died from the poison, went into a deep coma and when he woke up, major damage was done to his internal organs. She also made up this crazy, ludicrous story about a young boy in the hospital parking lot leading her to a masked man who told her he had Jonathan and gave her a bottle of the insecticide that was used to poison her husband. When the police questioned her, they became suspicious of her.
She skipped town with the couple's youngest baby boy, Jonathan. :mad:

BTW, the name of the woman who kidnapped Polama Martin was Melanie Martin...

I would also like to add the name of Elizabeth Fuentez Ortiz. This case was featured on the LIVE from the Telecenter segment.
She gave her husband a poisoned shake, claimed it was full of amino acids, the type of drink body builders guzzle down. He had been going to the gym to bulk up and get big, because "that's the kind of guy she likes". He almost died from the poison, went into a deep coma and when he woke up, major damage was done to his internal organs. She also made up this crazy, ludicrous story about a young boy in the hospital parking lot leading her to a masked man who told her he had Jonathan and gave her a bottle of the insecticide that was used to poison her husband. When the police questioned her, they became suspicious of her.
She skipped town with the couple's youngest baby boy, Jonathan. :mad:

BTW, the name of the woman who kidnapped Polama Martin was Melanie Martin...

good call. I know when they were sentencing her, they gave special consideration for cruel and unusual punishment, as that must have been hell for Gilbert to go through.

good call. I know when they were sentencing her, they gave special consideration for cruel and unusual punishment, as that must have been hell for Gilbert to go through.
I don't know if this case has been solved. I've looked up the name of Jonathan
Ortiz on doenetwork and it's not listed. Does anyone know if she's been caught and her son returned back to ther father?

I don't know if this case has been solved. I've looked up the name of Jonathan
Ortiz on doenetwork and it's not listed. Does anyone know if she's been caught and her son returned back to ther father?

yes it's been solved. she was apprehended and the son placed back in Gilbert's care.

Yes Lifetime did an update on it. Elizabeth was initially captured but at the time Jonathan was not with her. If I recall they decided to do an age progressed picture of what Jonathan would look like and show it to the guards at the prison where Elizabeth Ortiz was. It worked and a family member brought in someone matching the sketch to visit one day and it turned out to be Jonathan. It was a pretty touching update to see Gilbert and his son together again. :)

I think Reggie DiPalma's girlfriend deserves a dishonorable mention for being an accomplice.

I think Reggie DiPalma's girlfriend deserves a dishonorable mention for being an accomplice.

Absolutely!!!! In fact she should be towards the top of the list! I can't believe that she didn't have any charges filed against her....she is definitely an accomplice to several serious crimes! What kind of completely screwed up pathetic excuse for a woman would help him lure innocent young children into his house and watch them being raped just to hold on to a boyfriend. :mad: It really made me mad how the investigator in the segment tried to make us feel sorry for her talking about she believed in him so much she would have done anything for him. Give me a break, she needs locked up as well!

It really does get on my goat as well, over here various people have tried to portray Myra Hindley as a victim of Ian Brady rather than the heartless co-killer she was and the same with Maxine Carr who befriended & it seems lured two young girls to her scumbag partners house where they were assaulted and murdered yet she is walking free and has her identity and location protected.


Absolutely!!!! In fact she should be towards the top of the list! I can't believe that she didn't have any charges filed against her....she is definitely an accomplice to several serious crimes! What kind of completely screwed up pathetic excuse for a woman would help him lure innocent young children into his house and watch them being raped just to hold on to a boyfriend. :mad: It really made me mad how the investigator in the segment tried to make us feel sorry for her talking about she believed in him so much she would have done anything for him. Give me a break, she needs locked up as well!

Absolutely!!!! In fact she should be towards the top of the list! I can't believe that she didn't have any charges filed against her....she is definitely an accomplice to several serious crimes! What kind of completely screwed up pathetic excuse for a woman would help him lure innocent young children into his house and watch them being raped just to hold on to a boyfriend. :mad: It really made me mad how the investigator in the segment tried to make us feel sorry for her talking about she believed in him so much she would have done anything for him. Give me a break, she needs locked up as well!
I agree. Sounds like Karla Homolka. :mad: Karla got off easy because she was portrayed as a victim ... She's a free woman now.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/index_1.html

yes it's been solved. she was apprehended and the son placed back in Gilbert's care.
I'm happy to hear that this case finally has a happy ending. :)

Oh yes, I heard about that Karla girl, she was allowed to plead guilty to manslaughter and got the maximum 12 year sentence under Canadian law but has since been released. The prosecutors later admitted that giving her that plea bargain was a mistake but she manipulated her way into it. She should have got 25 to life just like Paul Bernardo did since she partcipated in everything as much as he did. But too late to do anything now.

Yup, pretty messed up case.
I heard that the Homolka and Bernardo home has been completely demolished since.

I agree. Sounds like Karla Homolka. :mad: Karla got off easy because she was portrayed as a victim ... She's a free woman now.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/index_1.html


I remember hearing about this story on the news. That is so sick and twisted. I couldn't even finish the story on crimelibrary. I can't believe he only got 25 yrs for all of that and she GOT OFF!!!!

Insane. She better fear for her life. If I crossed her path, I wouldn't think twice about offing her.

pissed: I remember hearing about this story on the news. That is so sick and twisted. I couldn't even finish the story on crimelibrary. I can't believe he only got 25 yrs for all of that and she GOT OFF!!!!

Insane. She better fear for her life. If I crossed her path, I wouldn't think twice about offing her.
They redefined the meaning of depravity if you ask me. He did get a lifelong sentence, though. On September 1st 1995, he was sentenced to life in prison and declared a dangerous offender, so it will be unlikely that he will ever be released again. He sits in solitary confinement, in the Kingston Pen, away from other prisoners.

I agree. Sounds like Karla Homolka. :mad: Karla got off easy because she was portrayed as a victim ... She's a free woman now.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/index_1.html

I had never heard about this case, but reading that made me physically ill.

Kamy, Bernardo got 25 to life, not just 25 years. He got a life sentence, but they call it 25 to life because he will be eligible for parole after 25 years but it is very unlikely even by Canadian standards that he will be released. Didnt Canada, at least use to have a very easy parole system for lifers?

But in Canada, I believe that is the most you can get is life with parole eligibility after 25 years, they dont have the death penalty there, they might not even have life without parole sentences up there.

Yes it was horrible that Karla was allowed to plead guilty to manslaughter in exchange for the maximum 12 year sentence. She was released either last year or in 2005. Because she was held for the maximum sentence, once she was released she was not on supervised release, so it is not public knowledge where she is living or anything. She could be your next door neighbor for all you know.

The prosecutors did admit giving her the plea bargain was a mistake but by the time they realized it, it was too late and they couldnt back out of it even though they wanted her to get the same charges and sentence as Paul Bernardo did.

But like I said, she was originally charged with murder but was able to pass herself off as being just as much of a victim and she was allowed to plead guilty to manslaughter, she was able to manipulate her way into it.

Kamy, Bernardo got 25 to life, not just 25 years. He got a life sentence, but they call it 25 to life because he will be eligible for parole after 25 years but it is very unlikely even by Canadian standards that he will be released. Didnt Canada, at least use to have a very easy parole system for lifers?

But in Canada, I believe that is the most you can get is life with parole eligibility after 25 years, they dont have the death penalty there, they might not even have life without parole sentences up there.

Yes it was horrible that Karla was allowed to plead guilty to manslaughter in exchange for the maximum 12 year sentence. She was released either last year or in 2005. Because she was held for the maximum sentence, once she was released she was not on supervised release, so it is not public knowledge where she is living or anything. She could be your next door neighbor for all you know.

The prosecutors did admit giving her the plea bargain was a mistake but by the time they realized it, it was too late and they couldnt back out of it even though they wanted her to get the same charges and sentence as Paul Bernardo did.

But like I said, she was originally charged with murder but was able to pass herself off as being just as much of a victim and she was allowed to plead guilty to manslaughter, she was able to manipulate her way into it.

Hopefully, since the canadian courts have declared him a dangerous offender, so he's got a snowball chance in H-E-double hockey sticks to even be eligible for parole.

Yes it was horrible that Karla was allowed to plead guilty to manslaughter in exchange for the maximum 12 year sentence. She was released either last year or in 2005. Because she was held for the maximum sentence, once she was released she was not on supervised release, so it is not public knowledge where she is living or anything. She could be your next door neighbor for all you know.


Actually, she was, and where she lived was very public knowledge in Quebec, in fact. I live in Montreal and when she was released in 2005 she moved on the South Shore of Montreal, right on the other side of the St-Lawrence river. I even walked past her in the streets of Longueuil once, she was very easy to recognize if someone was acquainted with the case. However, the level of loathing from Quebecers was quite lower than from people coming from Ontario, who loathed her much more because the case happened in Ontario. Some of these were even publicly pledging to lynch her if they could get a hold of her someday. She is "Richard Speck"-despised in Ontario.

The Ontario Attorney-General attempted to push judiciary restraints and control after her release, and they obtained some at first but these were struck down in appeal. Since she wasn't released on parole, but she did her whole 12-year sentence in prison, IIRC in Joliette prison (not to confuse with the defunct Joliet penitenciary in Chicago, IL), the restrictions that were put on her to monitor her movements and her frequentations were struck down as unconstitutional (I must say, rightly so, even if I despise her.)

Now she is reported having moved somewhere in the Caribbean to escape her infamous reputation in Canada, but I don't know if has kept her real name or her fantasy family name (Teale, which is also the surname Paul Bernardo used as a pseudonym during his rape spree).

Oh, and hi from a newb. :)

Hopefully, since the canadian courts have declared him a dangerous offender, so he's got a snowball chance in H-E-double hockey sticks to even be eligible for parole.

Murder in the first degree is an automatic life sentence in Canada, with a minimum of 25 years. So it's more like "Life to 25" rather than "25 to life". But even if Paul Bernardo becomes eligible for parole in 25 years he will never, ever be released.

The only case of a serial killer ever paroled after his murders is Pedro Alonso Lopez, and that's because the sentence laws in Ecuador for murder were extremely wacky (16 years maximum for murder, and sentences cannot be purged consecutively).

As to answer the question, to me Elaine Parent and Marie Hilley fit the category for infamy quite well, if only because they were rare cases of dangerous sociopaths who wouldn't hesitate to stoop to murder to gain something.

And also, a pet peeve of mine, Baby Jane Doe's mother who let her guy crush to death the infant she had given birth too SECONDS before in the woods. To me she is as despicable as the man, even if she was weakened by giving birth.

Elaine Parent
Marie Hilley
Betty Day
Judy Groezinger
Any mother in law/Grandmother/Mother involved in kidnapping or preverting the course of justice

I was looking at the Case list thread, and was reminded of a case and persons that most definitely belongs here.

The DeFrancisco sisters, Regina and Margaret. They lured Regina's boyfriend to her house, and into the basement where Margaret shot the boyfriend in the back of the head. They then drove his body to a vacant lot and lit it on fire.

Oh yeah, many of these I agree with for dishonorable mention. Marie Hilley, Judy Groezinger, Elizabeth Ortiz, Melissa Munday, Elaine Parent, Cheryl Holland, to name a few. Does anyone know what Elizabeth Ortiz was sentenced too? I am not sure if she got life or what the deal was there. At the time she tried to kill Gilbert, the maximum sentence for attempted murder in California was 12 years. This was changed in the mid 90's so that the maximum sentence is 25 to life. If she was sentenced to 12 years she would have been released after serving a little over 6 years based on California laws.

Oh never mind, I found the thread on the board that talked about it. I might be pro defense but I am glad she got 25 to life. Since she was not arrested until 2000 she was able to be prosecuted under the current law. In fact, I hate to say it, her going on the run at least in terms of the prosecution was a good thing. Had she stuck around back when she poisoned Gilbert, she would have got 12 years and would be out now. She deserves to serve out every day of her sentence, so selfish, to try to kill your husband, leave him crippled with serious health problems all because you do not like that he is not muscular?

The con team that duped the poor woman who was going through a divorce and pretended to be caring roommates; they proceeded to encourage her to go on a trip then robbed her house.

Astarte Davis and Melvine Aprille for conning their husbands and taking their money. Astarte is suspected of murdering Jim Davis.

Andalina Gonzalez, who stole money from the man she worked for. I think he died before he could recoup any of his losses.

Gloria Schulze. She was drunk and killed Angela Maher in a car accident when her van barreled over Maher's car. She seemed pretty emotionless about killing Angela and ran away to avoid any jail time. What a heartless b****.

We all know the core group of scumbags here like; Paul Pollis, Rob Page, Mark Nichols, Mike Reemer, Chad Noe.. you know the type, well holy cow, what about Judy Groezinger?!?!? She's right up there with that lot if you ask me. Looks very guilty! You can just see it on her face :mad:

Old post but my vote goes to the grandma from the Baskins story. She made up a crazy story about molestation to take away her daughters kids!

Andolina Gonzales is the scummiest of the scum!!!

That PATHETIC excuse for a Grandmother who kidnapped the 2 Baskin Children. The Baskin story angers me on so many levels. How a so called Mother could do that to her own daughter! oh and the Bitch died before the Law caught up with her!

Have there been any further updates on this case? Have the Kids finally agreed to meet their parents after 2 decades apart? Those Grandparents must've done one hell of a Brainwashing Job. :mad:

There's probably more that I could come up with, but here's a few that I don't think have been mentioned that readily come to mind for me.

The Frontera Prison warden who humiliated and threatened Betty Thompson after destroying the potentially incriminating report that Thompson had tried to submit.

Crooked "baby brokers" such as Georgia Tann, Bessie Bernard and Ethel Nation.

Elaine Parent

The woman who turned her stepdaughter into the Nazis, after years of beating, belittling, and malnourishing her. What a b$#$#!! That makes me so mad.

The woman who turned her stepdaughter into the Nazis, after years of beating, belittling, and malnourishing her. What a b$#$#!! That makes me so mad.

I don't recall that one

I don't recall that one
http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/The_Search_of_Helen_Elas

Helen Elas helped shelter US soldiers in the forest. Her stepmother saw her going into the forest and gave her up to the Nazis. She spent 2 years in a concentration camp for and had horrible medical experiments done on her that caused her to be unable to bear children after the war. But this awesome lady is more than glad to have sacrificed that ability to help the soldiers. Sadly, she never discovered their fate.

I'll agree with all of the above.
I've never seen the segment where the woman gives birth in the woods and the man kills the child, so I have admit I had reservations about her guilt....I was thinking she could have been a battered woman or something (not that it would be an excuse, but it would certainly provide some sort of a reason behind what happened).....BUT THEN, I googled the case and they convicted the biatch and she refuses to ID the guy with her!!!!!!!! Burn in hell, woman, burn in HELL! I'm glad I haven't seen the segment and I really don't want to, it sounds like the only case (that I can think of) that actually might literally make me sick to my stomach.
Cheryl Holland is another that I'd like to get my hands on. I'd hit her so hard that by the time she woke up her poodle perm might be in style again. Who the fuk does she think she is, killing those sweet, kind people for a few bucks? The saddest part is they sounded like the type of people that would have given her the money if she had just asked.

Absolutely!!!! In fact she should be towards the top of the list! I can't believe that she didn't have any charges filed against her....she is definitely an accomplice to several serious crimes! What kind of completely screwed up pathetic excuse for a woman would help him lure innocent young children into his house and watch them being raped just to hold on to a boyfriend. :mad: It really made me mad how the investigator in the segment tried to make us feel sorry for her talking about she believed in him so much she would have done anything for him. Give me a break, she needs locked up as well!

I will second (third? fourth?) on Reggie di Palma's girlfriend Connie.

I think Georgia Tann and Ethel Nation qualify for this thread.

EDIT: Just thought of another. I don't know how mentally ill these individuals were, but I would think you'd have to be very cold to keep children from their fathers like Kathy Fontes, Pat Fagan, and Melody Martin did.

"Bonnie" (identity thief and robber)
the lady who supposedly killed Audrey Moat
Wilda Loseff
Josephine White (conned an elderly immigrant out of her lifesavings in a pigeon drop)