I think one of the meanest things that I have seen on there was the case of Megan Curl! Of course anytime anyone ever commits a crime against someone I find it heartbreaking and mean. But the ones that struck me the most were:
Megan Curl
The case of Dave Bocks
Texas most wanted
Really any of the cases of children and babys
It just breaks my heart to see all these crimes done! It would be a lot easier if we could have world peace! I can't believe some of these cruel things that happen to people and that people do to one another! It sickens me! What do you all think?:(

Julius Patterson and his girlfriend Paulette Hyte. They were entrusted with the care of Julius's deaf-blind sister Jessie and murdered her to cash in on her social security benefits. They also cared for an 89-yr-old man named Hall Luther Gordon who had dementia and killed him for the same reason. Luckily, they were both captured.

Andelina Gonzalez is right up there as well. It still pisses me off that they let her off the hook because Judge Geiler passed away. They should have been able to charge her with something. People who take advantage of the old and/or disabled are the worst.

Good call, Unsolved88. I had always thought the Social Security murders segment was one of the cruelest. Of course, a lot of the segments on UM are cruel to an extent, but the SS murders kind of stuck out in my mind. In addition to being deaf and blind, the girl was also mute. Imagine that: being deaf, blind and mute and getting killed by your own brother. Sheez, talk about a hard life. They stated that she had mysteriously disappeared, but you had to figure something must have happened to her as she wouldn't have been able to function well in society and would have stuck out. People like that just don't go off on their own. Glad to know Julius and Paulette got caught.

Dave Bocks would be another one, as angel25 mentioned. They are unsure if he was dead or alive when he was placed in the vat. Placing him in the vat might have just been a way to get rid of the evidence, but could also be how they killed him.

The Maples segment and the update about Bill Day's son.

Yes, Dave Bock, Julius Patterson and the SS murders, the Lisa Kimmel murder, the Blind River Rest Stop Murders, the murder of Joe and Mattie Harvey, the murder of Susan Hamwi and the leaving of her daughter Shane who died of dehydration because her mother was dead, the murder of Rachel Timmerman, the murder of Tim Good, the murder of Megan Curl, the murder of that young teacher in Massachusetts her first name was Lisa but I forgot here last name. Those are my top 10 most cruel.

the burning of the kennel with all those dogs really upset me

the lisa kimmel murder also was sad

the bowling alley massacres upset me

the woman who was killed by her husband and the mother who felt helpless and she said the girl had said "God never gives u more than u can handle, but this is too much to handle" and she began to cry, that killed me

They stated that she had mysteriously disappeared, but you had to figure something must have happened to her as she wouldn't have been able to function well in society and would have stuck out. People like that just don't go off on their own. Glad to know Julius and Paulette got caught.

To tell the truth, I always found it extremely suspicious that no other relatives (other than Julius and Paulette of course) reported Jessie missing. It kind of makes me wonder if they were involved also.

the texas most wanted case is so horrible because the mother has to watch Bell shoot her son multiple times right in front of her.

That would be such a helpless feeling.

kadrmas15: Ziegert is the last name of the Lisa you were talking about. Tim Good was definitely an eerie segment. I'm not sure If I've seen the Lisa Kimmell one (I believe this is also referred to as the Lil Miss Panofskee segment, and has been brought up several times before on the boards.) If I've seen it, it was once and a long time ago.

Bowling alley massacre was another creepy one as that involved 7 victims, 3 wound up dead if I remember correctly (might have been 4).

2 of the all-time cruelest segments were about "Debby" and "Carol". Both were shot senselessly in the face and Debby was raped after a grueling four hour drive with the creep in her car. If memory serves, the bullet was lodged permanently in her head, and she was devastated when she caught a glimpse of herslef in a Mylar balloon. Unfortunately, neither of the criminals that did these things were ever caught to my knowledge.

I'm not sure If I've seen the Lisa Kimmell one (I believe this is also referred to as the Lil Miss Panofskee segment, and has been brought up several times before on the boards.)

Actually Lisa Kimmell and Lil Miss Pannasofkee are two different segments. Lisa Kimmell's license plate did say "Lil' Miss" on it and thats probably why you're thinking of that term. As for Little Miss Panasofkee she was a woman that was found murdered and police are trying to identify her and gave her that nickname since her body was found near Lake Panasofkee.

It took place at a rest stop. This crazy looking guy had robbed this elderly couple sleeping in their RV and even though the couple had willingly gave him money, he shot the lady anyway. Everytime I see that case, it literally burns my blood!!!

The one where a man took a woman and his son hostage on a boat and raped the mother in front of her son. I can't remember the name of the segment nor any other names....but that one is just sick.

Julius Patterson and his girlfriend Paulette Hyte. They were entrusted with the care of Julius's deaf-blind sister Jessie and murdered her to cash in on her social security benefits. They also cared for an 89-yr-old man named Hall Luther Gordon who had dementia and killed him for the same reason. Luckily, they were both captured.

Andelina Gonzalez is right up there as well. It still pisses me off that they let her off the hook because Judge Geiler passed away. They should have been able to charge her with something. People who take advantage of the old and/or disabled are the worst.

I agree with you that only a sick scum bag would commit crimes against elderly and/or disabled, but the lowest form of gutless, cowardly filth has to be those who rape and murder our children.

All the segments that involve these type of crimes get my blood boiling, especially when they are committed by somebody who has been arrested before for the same crime. These losers have proven they are beyond repair and should be either publically hung or put away forever. I just hope we get tougher on these sick individuals.

the burning of the kennel with all those dogs really upset me

I remember that one......didn't the hired hand have something to do with the burning of the dogs? I think the woman's name was Mabel if I'm not mistaken....cruelty to animals always gets to me.....

Another one I have to agree with is Edward Harold Bell.....I just couldn't take Larry's Mom watching her son getting murdered, the arrogance of Bell! :mad:

The one with the sea lions in San Diego I think. I saw that segment when I was a kid and to this day, I can't watch that segment.

Another one I have to agree with is Edward Harold Bell.....I just couldn't take Larry's Mom watching her son getting murdered, the arrogance of Bell! :mad:

I agree, that's the worst one of all. I just wanted to strangle that guy so bad. :mad:

I just joined so i guess I'll throw in my two cents.Don't think this has been mentioned yet but the "Richards Rampage" segment with the guy snapping on his ex girlfriend and her family after she broke up with him got to me.Just the re-enactment frightened the bejesus outta me.Can't imagine living that.Something about those older grainer Unsolved segments just creep me out anyway.That poor girl must still be having nightmares about that night.

That was Rick Church I think you were talking about. Yeah he is still in prison in Illinois. I had that detail confused originally when I talked about it on another thread because I thought the case had happened in Missouri not Illinois. Church is now 37 years old and has been in prison since he was 22. He went on the run for a few years after his 1988 rampage where he killed his ex-girlfriend's parents and also attempted to kill her brother, a friend of the brothers that was sleeping over at the house that night and his ex-girlfriend. Church pled guilty so they didnt seek the death penalty however he went on the run in 88 as I said and he was captured I believe in 1991 or 1992 in Utah. As for Bell, he will first become eligible for parole in the year 2013 and is due to be released in 2023 if he isnt paroled before that time, Bell if he is held to the maximum of 2023 will be 83 when released. Bell is horrible and I just cant fathom how a man could do what he did. Bell got off easy in that the jury didnt seek the death penalty, but they were also forced to sentence according to 1978 sentencing guidelines. Just think, if Bell had pled guilty he probably would have been sentenced to 30 years total and probably already be out.

I agree, I think that Richards Rampaige was absolutely horrible! Colleen definately has to still be having nighmares about that. Rick Church is still in Prison isn't he? I guess I was confused, because I thought someone said that he got parolled or something? Does anyone know? I really hope he isn't out!

Yes, I said he had been paroled but that was an error on my part. The reason that confusion started was because originally I thought the case had happened in Missouri not Illinois. so I did an inmate search at the Missouri Department of Corrections and there was a Richard Church that had been recently released. I jumped the gun and said he had been released but then I found out that this wasnt the Richard Church profiled on UM becuase that case took place in Illinois. Yes Richard Church is safetly locked away in a maximum security prison. Church is serving a life sentence at the Illinois State Prison at Menard. Church is now 37 years old. Church I think took a plea bargain after he was captured in Utah in 1991 after three years on the run. Church pled guilty in 1992 to several charges and I think was given two life sentences to run concurrent to each other. I think he also pled guilty to two other charges and was given an additional 60 years on top of the life sentence. 30 years for attempted murder for the attempted murder of his girlfriend and I think he stabbed but didnt kill someone else in the home as well. He also pled guilty to a count of home invasion and was given 30 years on top of that. I think all of this stuff was concurrent. He will probably be eligible for parole after serving 25 years which in his case would make him eligible for parole in 2017. That though is assuming he is eligible, I am assuming he was sentenced according to 1988 sentencing guidelines which was probably before they had life without parole sentences. I tried to find specific information but couldnt find it.

Of course, the case where a mom and daughter were abducted by an ex who made her write a fake ransom note indicating she was alive. The victim was also thrown over the water also tied and chained. Unfortunately, I don't think the whereabouts of the baby have ever been accounted for?


You'd be talking about the Rachel and Shannon Timmerman case. Marvin Gabrion is currently in jail and maintains a website asking for letters. He has never disclosed what happened to Baby Shannon. :mad:

I agree with you on this one. This case is so messed up. Gabrion obviously killed Timmerman because she was set to testify against him, but I can't fathom killing an innocent baby just because she happened to be there. A lot of people maintain that Gabrion might have sold Baby Shannon... but I'm not so sure. What do you guys think?

I'd say the James Burnside case. The way he got into his little daughter's face and shouted that he would kill her was horrific and his wife's murder was so brutal. What a monster.

For me it's the Megan Curl murder. Thankfully they did not show any pictures and the reenactment showed a lot of smoke so we did not have to see much at all. I have no idea if they have ever found her killer or not...but I wish they would...because that guy should be in prison or dead. All I can think of is the horror that poor woman went through and to have it be with someone she knew...it's just tragic. And like I said...I hope they have found her killer or I hope they do!!!

Edward Herald Bell...still no question in my mind...this case ranks highest with me in so many unflattering catagories that I think I have lost count.

The "Debbie" case is one of the most nightmarish things I've ever seen profiled on UM. It's probably my top. The ATV murders are a close second.

Dwayne McCorkendale absolutely did not deserve his fate, nor did Jay Durham. Completely senseless crimes.

I also thought the murder of Dexter Stefonek was exceptionally cruel. Why anyone would want to kill an elderly man, throw his body in a trash dump, and then apparently brag about it by scrawling on a rest stop bathroom wall is totally beyond me.

I also think that the case where Dave Bocks was either lowered into the furnace or "fell" into the furnace or he jumped into the furnace at work was cruel. I hope that he was unconscious at the time...what a horrible death. In my opinion...he was lowered into the furnace because he was going to be a whistleblower...I hope it get solved eventually.

The Marvin Gabrion one comes to mind.

The one with the sea lions in San Diego I think. I saw that segment when I was a kid and to this day, I can't watch that segment.
I was going to say this too. I think part of it was also the noise the sea lions made in the re-enactment when they were getting shot.

Obviously Oba Chandler, and there was another one also about a guy who lured a woman onto a boat on pretense of a friendly ride and she ended up dead.

Obviously Oba Chandler, and there was another one also about a guy who lured a woman onto a boat on pretense of a friendly ride and she ended up dead.

Ah yes, Tom Memoni, from the infamous(ly bad) Laurie Cabot segment. :lol:

Ah yes, Tom Memoni, from the infamous(ly bad) Laurie Cabot segment. :lol:
Oba Chandler

There was a Cold Case segment about Oba Chandler and it creeps me out too much to watch it and normally I can watch Bill Kurtis and his A&E shows over and over.

I don't remember the Tom Memoni one.

Definitely the Baby Jane Doe murder covered in a Special Alert. To bash a newly born baby to death just minutes after she was born, in front of her mother doing nothing, and dump the corpse into plastic bags in the wild to be devoured by animals, it is just mindbogglingly cruel to my mind.

It really takes two special kinds of mongrels to do this in cold blood. Hell, I'd have more sympathy for a serial killer than for those two. And no, I give no slightest mitigating factor for the mother, as nowhere the witness saw her try to intervene or stop him. That she had just given birth minutes ago is irrelevant. That she didn't even screamed to him to stop and merely looked at her partner murdering the baby in plain sight makes her as much as culprit as the other.

When I think of this couple, the words of Australian Judge Justice Taylor when he sentenced Kevin Crump and Allan Baker to life imprisonment for murdering Ian Lamb and Virginia Morse in New South Wales in 1973 come to mind. These are exactly what I would say to these two if they are ever found and tried:

"You have outraged all accepted standards of the behavior of men. The description of 'men' ill becomes you. You would be more aptly described as animals, and obscene animals at that. I believe that you should spend the rest of your lives in jail and there you should die. If ever there was a case where life imprisonment should mean what it says — imprisonment for the whole of your lives — this is it.

If in the future some application is made that you be released on the grounds of clemency or of mercy, then I would venture to suggest to those who are entrusted with the task of determining whether you are entitled to it or not, that the measure of your entitlement to either should be the clemency and mercy you extended to this woman [Virginia Morse] when she begged you for her life."

that baby murder went unsolved right?

Well, this is an old one but the children who witnessed the visions at Fatima were treated terribly by church authorities. If a person's main impressions of Portugal are the behavior of these people, and of those in the famous barroom rape case which was the basis for The Accused, (not only were the attackers Portugese, but the victim was smeared as being prejudiced and the community took up a fund to hire a hit man to have her killed) it doesn't leave a very good impression of Portugal! :(

that baby murder went unsolved right?

As far as I know, they never solved it.

The witness was on the opposite side of the lake or river from where the murder happened and couldn't get to the other side to see what kind of vehicle they had or to get close enough to ID them or whatever.

It's very odd that the woman went into labor and they went to the woods to deliver the baby and kill it. Why not have the baby at home or, if they're homeless, at least deliver it in the comfort of a car rather than on the ground. I wonder if they were transients who were already living in the woods there, or what...

And why choose such a violent way to kill a newborn? They are completely helpless. It would have been very simple to place a folded cloth over the baby's nose and mouth, and hold it there for a couple of minutes until the baby stopped breathing. Or it could have easily been strangled, or drowned in the lake, or even cut the jugular vein to quickly kill it without all the violence of using a baseball bat. There's some reason the guy used that method. Maybe the kid wasn't his and he resented it?

But just think about it... this guy brought a baseball bat to what he knew would be the birth of a baby. And then he just waited for it to be born. It was all planned ahead of time, and I think there's a reason behind his choice of weapon.

Well, possibly the male suspect was the very abusive type and both wanted to get rid of the baby and make a point to his partner. I agree that carrying the baseball bat to the crime scene is a very strong indication that it was premeditated. However, it meant much more than just a weapon to kill the baby. I am certain it was a message to the woman herself.

Perhaps he threatened to kill both her and the baby with the baseball bat if she didn't comply or resisted. In that scenario, he could have brought her into the woods under duress, waited for her to give birth, and killed the baby in cold blood in front her, laying helpless, as a demonstration of his domination.

That would be the only scenario in which I would be lenient toward the woman suspect and see her as a victim, for obvious reasons. But without their identity or DNA mapping we will never know if it was an infanticide or a very violent and cruel abortion.

But the male suspect, undeniably, deserves to be locked into a tiny cage with the key thrown away. I won't even dare call him a man. He is an animal.

Drakken,

The more I think about this case, am I right in remembering that he brought a baseball bat as the weapon? Or did he use a branch or piece of wood he got nearby?

I haven't seen this segment in years, and I'm only going by my very fuzzy memory. For some reason, I remember the weapon as a baseball bat. I hope I'm getting my facts straight. I don't want to put mis-information out there.

To be truthful, I do not remember either. At first I thought it was bashed to death with a rock. I'll have to rewatch it. :/

To be truthful, I do not remember either. At first I thought it was bashed to death with a rock. I'll have to rewatch it. :/

Earlier today, I tried looking it up on some related websites of unsolved murders and jane/john doe murders. I didn't find anything.

I searched from 1977 through about 1999 for female infants.

Do you know what year or what state this happened in, and was the baby a female, for certain? Do you remember if they recovered her body?

Editing today 4/9/2009, to add that I finished up looking through the years 1999 - 2009 and still didn't find anything matching this murder.

It took place at a rest stop. This crazy looking guy had robbed this elderly couple sleeping in their RV and even though the couple had willingly gave him money, he shot the lady anyway. Everytime I see that case, it literally burns my blood!!!

I remember that case. It was really sick.

I think most cases are cruel by nature, but sometimes, a little detail featured in the segment really gets to me.

Morris Davis, the pizza delivery guy, who was lured to a empty house by a robber who ended up taking less than 300 dollars. When they show that picture of Morris, big guy, huge smile, holding up a tiny little puppy, I get overwhelmed by sadness. He looked like such a sweet, guy.

I think his name was Dan Castalerro (SP?) and I always felt his death was horrible...and there is no way in hell he committed suicide by slitting his wrists 12 times...and one being so deep that it went through a tendon. It was murder plain and simple. What a horrible way to die. Truly cruel!

I think most cases are cruel by nature, but sometimes, a little detail featured in the segment really gets to me.

Morris Davis, the pizza delivery guy, who was lured to a empty house by a robber who ended up taking less than 300 dollars. When they show that picture of Morris, big guy, huge smile, holding up a tiny little puppy, I get overwhelmed by sadness. He looked like such a sweet, guy.

Yeah, I know what you mean. That gets to me, too. :(

The oba chandler case def. takes the cake, but there are others that rank right up there... I think for me the ones that really bother me are the ones involving a tremendous amount of fear in addition to a murder.

1. "Carol," as someone mentioned, with that 4 hour drive, which I'm sure was horrifying.
2. Roxanne and her young child, who were killed on Christmas Eve by some drug addict monster.
3. The Colleen Reed segment freaks me out too, as the terror that she must have felt being grabbed and dragged into a car.. I just get freaked out even thinking about it. As I've said, I will never go to another car wash like that again!
Several others.

I just watched the Dennis Depue segment. I'd seen it before years ago but I don't remember him pushing his ex-wife down the stairs . God what an a-hole.

I don't know the name of the girl anymore but the boyfriend's name was Rob. They were on the phone when someone was driving around the phonebooth. She mentions it to her boyfriend and then the creep snatch her away fron the phone. Rob jumps in his car and when he is driving like a maniac to come to her aid both cars pass eachother and he hears her scream his name on the top of her longs. It really got to me and I almost felt the same feeling Rob must have had when he chased them but then his car broke down...:cuss:

The murder of Lynn Amos in December 1995. One of the UM segments that had the most impact on me
http://www.bettingers.org/uwp-d80/amos_unsolved.htm
To force her to drink all that alcohol under duress and then set her on fire was a callous and cruelly evil thing to do. And she was still alive when she got to the hospital. They never caught the creep who did this. I hope some day karma catches up with him big time

The murder of Lynn Amos in December 1995. One of the UM segments that had the most impact on me
http://www.bettingers.org/uwp-d80/amos_unsolved.htm
To force her to drink all that alcohol under duress and then set her on fire was a callous and cruelly evil thing to do. And she was still alive when she got to the hospital. They never caught the creep who did this. I hope some day karma catches up with him big time

PD41, I had not seen this case segment before. How absolutely horrible.

The Dupue segment was definately cruel
"Debbie" from Fayetville was cruel and creepy. i could not imagine how she felt.

Im surprised nobody has mentioned Rachel Runyan (or maybe somebody did and I missed it). Even if the snuff-movie wasn't true it's still such a hideous crime :(

There was a Cold Case segment about Oba Chandler and it creeps me out too much to watch it and normally I can watch Bill Kurtis and his A&E shows over and over.

I don't remember the Tom Memoni one.

I wrote a paper on the Oba Chandler case in college. Did anyone know that he (via satellite), some of his family members and Hal Rogers all appeared on the Maury Povich show in 94 or 95? I read about that but could never find a video for that show. Did anyone see it?

I did not know that Oba Chandler appeared on a tv show! That would be very interesting to see. I wonder if there's a way to get the transcript or something?

Texas most wanted, i say. I am not a fan of anyone kidnapping and killing children at all so they are in a close race with this, but Bell should be sent to the chair and let that man's mom flip the switch, Bell shot the boy enough and then when his mom got there, he shot him again, then went out and got a riffle, that was overkill.

There's a case that has stuck in my mind for years, though I can't remember all the details, maybe someone can enlighten me as to what it is and who it involves - pretty sure it's filed under "Wanted"...

Details:
Some dispute related to boyfriend/girlfriend (I think, or could be husband/wife)

In the middle of the night, boyfriend (or husband) enters the single storey parental home and while the girlfriend (or wife) sleeps, he kills her, I think by shooting with either small calibre weapon or shotgun.

He then enters the parents bedroom and while they sleep he shoots them both also.

VT shows the guy walking through the house (from his POV) and its rather foggy outside and looks like a dirt road leading to the house which is possibly in a rural or isolated location.

Sound familiar to anyone?

There's a case that has stuck in my mind for years, though I can't remember all the details, maybe someone can enlighten me as to what it is and who it involves - pretty sure it's filed under "Wanted"...

Details:
Some dispute related to boyfriend/girlfriend (I think, or could be husband/wife)

In the middle of the night, boyfriend (or husband) enters the single storey parental home and while the girlfriend (or wife) sleeps, he kills her, I think by shooting with either small calibre weapon or shotgun.

He then enters the parents bedroom and while they sleep he shoots them both also.

VT shows the guy walking through the house (from his POV) and its rather foggy outside and looks like a dirt road leading to the house which is possibly in a rural or isolated location.

Sound familiar to anyone?
this sounds like rick church to me.

Thanks, looking up the info on it now. That sure did scare the f-jeez outta me back when it first aired.

There's a case that has stuck in my mind for years, though I can't remember all the details, maybe someone can enlighten me as to what it is and who it involves - pretty sure it's filed under "Wanted"...

Details:
Some dispute related to boyfriend/girlfriend (I think, or could be husband/wife)

In the middle of the night, boyfriend (or husband) enters the single storey parental home and while the girlfriend (or wife) sleeps, he kills her, I think by shooting with either small calibre weapon or shotgun.

He then enters the parents bedroom and while they sleep he shoots them both also.

VT shows the guy walking through the house (from his POV) and its rather foggy outside and looks like a dirt road leading to the house which is possibly in a rural or isolated location.

Sound familiar to anyone?



This sounds similar to Rick Church but he stabbed and killed his ex-gf's parents then he stabbed her and her brother but they survived.

I wrote a paper on the Oba Chandler case in college. Did anyone know that he (via satellite), some of his family members and Hal Rogers all appeared on the Maury Povich show in 94 or 95? I read about that but could never find a video for that show. Did anyone see it?



.....and Oba Chandler is NOT the father!!!!

.....and Oba Chandler is NOT the father!!!!
Okay took me a minute but I got it....:rotflmao:

.....and Oba Chandler is NOT the father!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

But I'm 1000% sure that he is!!!

What was the name of the case when two teenage boys in Arkansas I think killed four different people? They killed a woman first in her home, and she had a young son that was left alive. Later that day they broke into a house, and murdered two men. I think they were father and son. Then finally, they went to another house, and told a guy they had car trouble, and when the guy went to help him, they killed him too. Does anyone remember this one?

What was the name of the case when two teenage boys in Arkansas I think killed four different people? They killed a woman first in her home, and she had a young son that was left alive. Later that day they broke into a house, and murdered two men. I think they were father and son. Then finally, they went to another house, and told a guy they had car trouble, and when the guy went to help him, they killed him too. Does anyone remember this one?

The Tri State Murders. Deena Woodard (sp?) was the young mother they killed. William Glen Henry and Davey Lynn Crocket were later arrested for the killing spree.

Seen what Oba Chandler looks like these days. He looks considerably older now, I guess 15 years on death row will do that to you. However you can still tell it is him, mainly by his eyes. Chandler is now 63 years old and is out of appeals. It has been rumored his death warrant will be signed later this year. http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=335327975

I always thought the Jack Lutter case was exceptionally cruel. A man who lied to at least three different women, having seperate lives and children with each of them--and all of them pretty much oblivious that their husband is a liar and con. And then when they discover his "secret lives", they still feel so much for him that they can't bring themselves to turn him in.

There was also a case about a female con team who presented themselves as mother and daughter who set their recently divorced and struggling roommate up to rob her while she was on vacation. She was sobbing by the end of the segment, saying that the pair had "taken everything inside her and cut it up into so many pieces." That always made me really sad.

I will mention a case I think had a cruel ending when it was updated. The guy who would do the voice of Santa on the radio at Christmas and he had given his daughter up for adoption, I think his wife had died giving birth?

The update showed she had been killed in an explosion when she was 18 years old. Really sad.

in the past i always felt that if i saw a stranded motorist or a couple waving me down when i drive by out in the countryside, especially at night for exampe, that it is required of me to pull my car over and help them. well some people do this and get killed for trying to help others. what would you do if you saw a man asking for help out on a lonely stretch of road or unused country road? would you help him? after seeing UM i dont think i would, i would probably call the cops to let them know, but i would not stop. sorry if i got off track, but these episodes about people out in the middle of nowhere are very scary.

that couple in the camper must have been scared sh*tless when the guy knocked on the door. i would not have opened the door! but sometimes in a moment of shock people do stupid things. either way though, if that old woman didnt open the door he would have broken the door down. now in a case like this i can understand why people would want to own a gun. i would take a gun with me if i am staying in the countryside, campground, or rest stop. would you think owning a gun is good in this situation?

It took place at a rest stop. This crazy looking guy had robbed this elderly couple sleeping in their RV and even though the couple had willingly gave him money, he shot the lady anyway. Everytime I see that case, it literally burns my blood!!!

Crimes against the elderly/disabled and children really bother me. because they are so defenseless. :( people who commit these crimes deserve to be shot on site. screw going through a trial.

One segment that really bothers me is the one about two Texas teens who go on a murder rampage. they tortured an old man (& his elderly son I think) for hours before killing them, they murdered a young African American man, and killed a woman with an Axe while her baby was in the room. :eek: (thankfully they didn't hurt the baby.) :(

It just really pissed me off... these people didn't deserve to be killed by two *beeping* teenagers. :mad: who were seemingly bored and decided to pick people by random.

Bell was my first thought. That one always struck me as remarkably cruel, especially coming back to shoot him with a different gun.

I have to vote for the Texas Most Wanted one. He shot that guy when his mom was begging him not to. That was insane to me. I feel so bad for that woman and her son.

I also think Megan Curl, Edward Bell, Mabel Wood, the sea lions and the crimes against the elderly and little kids are gutrwrenching.

One that really angered me was Pat Farmer, who hated her daughter Ladonna so much she exposed her grandson Jared to Satanism and coached him into saying his mother and stepfather abused him, then kidnapped him. I can't imagine a mother resenting her daughter to the point of doing all that stuff. Luckily Ladonna got her son back. I also liked that she played herself in the re-enactments.

The Christmas hit and run which may have been a racial attack---so cruel and senseless. I don't think they've still found the car or the driver and passenger. You either learn to tolerate different races, or go hole up in a cave somewhere.

Tom Johnson, who attacked the young man and his fiancee with a hammer and stole the computer they were selling. He ended up killing the fiancee---another senseless murder. Just take the computer and leave!

The Jordan family arson---the guy who did it wasn't charged due to a lack of evidence, I believe.

Danny Pinetta---he was aqcuitted of raping his 13 year-old ex-girlfriend, but she was the one who got harrassed and blamed for the crime.

Randall Utterback---another jerk who couldn't take no for an answer.

Beverly McGowan, I always felt so bad when her brother asked why his sister would die for a measly $1000. To be dismembered like that for such a little amount of money is sickening.

The Tri-state murders and Bill Hendersons murder were extremely brutal and savage.

It has been rumored his death warrant will be signed later this year. http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=335327975

Just out of curiosity, where was this rumored at? I only ask because I have always followed this case and his appeals and haven't seen anything about a possible execution date.

I also think Megan Curl, Edward Bell, Mabel Wood, the sea lions and the crimes against the elderly and little kids are gutrwrenching.

One that really angered me was Pat Farmer, who hated her daughter Ladonna so much she exposed her grandson Jared to Satanism and coached him into saying his mother and stepfather abused him, then kidnapped him. I can't imagine a mother resenting her daughter to the point of doing all that stuff. Luckily Ladonna got her son back. I also liked that she played herself in the re-enactments.

The Christmas hit and run which may have been a racial attack---so cruel and senseless. I don't think they've still found the car or the driver and passenger. You either learn to tolerate different races, or go hole up in a cave somewhere.

Tom Johnson, who attacked the young man and his fiancee with a hammer and stole the computer they were selling. He ended up killing the fiancee---another senseless murder. Just take the computer and leave!

The Jordan family arson---the guy who did it wasn't charged due to a lack of evidence, I believe.Danny Pinetta---he was aqcuitted of raping his 13 year-old ex-girlfriend, but she was the one who got harrassed and blamed for the crime.

Randall Utterback---another jerk who couldn't take no for an answer.

Beverly McGowan, I always felt so bad when her brother asked why his sister would die for a measly $1000. To be dismembered like that for such a little amount of money is sickening.

Yes, but the man believed to be the mastermind, the guy named Curly, was killed in a gang realted shoorting not to long after the fire. I can't remember when, it might have even been before the segment aired sometime in the early 90's.

But that is at least some consolation.

The case where the man hired two men to kill his ex-wife so he wouldn't have to pay alimony and not only did they kill her, but they sexually assaulted her first and her baby died of dehydration! And to make it even worse, an innocent schizophrenic man served 10 years for the crime. All because some @#@$ didn't want to pay alimony!

The Tri-state murders and Bill Hendersons murder were extremely brutal and savage.

Bill Henderson's son saying that he didn't think a murderer hovering over his father should have been the last thing he ever saw, and imagining the fear that harmless elderly man must have felt always makes me cry. Any segment dealing with the mistreatment and/or murder of the elderly usually does.

Drakken, if you haven't seen any updates on this case yet, you will be happy to know that the murdered infant girl in Oklahoma's mother was identified. Her name was Penny Anita Lowry. They never identified her male companion (because Lowry is too much of a coward to name him), but she is in jail.

the burning of the kennel with all those dogs really upset me

the lisa kimmel murder also was sad

the bowling alley massacres upset me

the woman who was killed by her husband and the mother who felt helpless and she said the girl had said "God never gives u more than u can handle, but this is too much to handle" and she began to cry, that killed me


Yes, that disgusting arson attack on the Dog Kennels automatically springs to mind. :(

The murdered infant in Oklahoma, the teenage boys murder spree (torturing the old men for several hours), Gus Hoffman (sodomized for several days), and Bill Day . Day's son, Christof (sp?) was abducted by his mother and was eventually teen to France. by the time Bill (and authorities) caught up with the ex-wife, they learned Christof had died of Leukemia. The ex-wife made no attempt to contact Bill during Christof's illness.

The Gus Hoffman case is a favorite of mine. His mother is a very strong woman (a lot of similarities between her and Sue Billig).

The Bowling Alley Massacre is always going to be the worst to me. So overly vicious, depraved, and sick, on a level that exceeds most of the cases on UM in sheer evil.

The Bowling Alley Massacre is always going to be the worst to me. So overly vicious, depraved, and sick, on a level that exceeds most of the cases on UM in sheer evil.
I agree. I really have hope that these guys are not out on the streets because they have to be some of the worst excuses for human beings on the planet. Additional info I've read on the case says that not only did they shoot everyone in the head once, the young girl who survived was shot a full five times and they set the desk in the office on fire as well. All for some money. Considering that no men matching their description were seen committing robberies afterward, as far as I have read, I have my fingers crossed that they're not out there.

Two more that come to mind:

The poor newborn who was beaten to death. Thankfully, the mother was caught but the monster who committed the crime is still out there. :mad: I cannot fathom why these people would choose to do such a despicable thing. The child could have been left in the care of an orphanage, the foster system, etc. I know the mother did not do it directly, but she stood by and let it happen without argument and now won't reveal the name of the killer. Just awful. Anyone would would do such a thing to a defenseless newborn is a danger to society and would doubtless harm anyone.

The murder of Jeanine Nicarico. It's probably been a full decade since I last saw this segment and it still makes my stomach turn. The one day she happens to stay home sick and right after her mother came to check on her, a murderer happens to prowl the neighborhood and break in. It's so heartbreaking and sounds like something directly out of phobias I had as a kid while watching UM (''Someone might break in while I'm home alone!''). If you read articles on the case, apparently after raping her, Dugan told Jeanine he would take her home. And then he killed her. :(

I cannot believe no one has mentioned Jeffrey MacDonald.

To ruthlessly slaughter his own family is horrifying enough, but then to put on a surgical glove, dip it in his wife's blood and write "PIG" on a bed headboard....uh.... [***shudders***].

And then, the minute he thought he was in the clear, to head off to SoCal, and live a playboy life style of wine, women and song... truly this man is a psychopathic monster - thank GOD he was brought to justice.

I cannot believe no one has mentioned Jeffrey MacDonald.

To ruthlessly slaughter his own family is horrifying enough, but then to put on a surgical glove, dip it in his wife's blood and write "PIG" on a bed headboard....uh.... [***shudders***].

And then, the minute he thought he was in the clear, to head off to SoCal, and live a playboy life style of wine, women and song... truly this man is a psychopathic monster - thank GOD he was brought to justice.

That sounds like the Manson murders.

That sounds like the Manson murders.

He tried to use the Manson murders to cover up his crimes by saying a bunch of drug crazed hippies murdered his family.

Hello, I am Oba Chandler's oldest daughter, Kristal Mays Cincinnati Ohio. I was on that show Maury Povich along with my aunt, Lula Faye Harris Zephyrhills Florida, not in disguise, Rosalee from Hendersonville Ky in disguise, a woman from Tampa Florida who said she was my half brother's, Jeffrey Scott Chandler Land O Lakes Florida, mother. She is hispanic and I do not remember her name. I have tried to get transcripts from Maury Povich or a video of the episode, to no avail. I was promised a video when I went on the show but none were forthcoming as of this date January 2021. I highly doubt that I will ever receive it. I am the oldest of 13 children, that I am aware of. My sister Valerie Lynn Troxell-Farmer passed away in May 2015, in Gatlinburg Tenn while we were on vacation of an myocardial infarction, due to a dvt. We were the only two children by the same mother. All of Oba's other children have different mothers. Whitney Ann Chandler-Mayes Tarpon Springs Florida February 1989, is the youngest and only child of Oba and Debra Ann Whitman-Galloway, investor vice president of Raymond James Florida. How Debra obtained that position is a mystery to all of us as she assisted Oba in a felony jewelry heist in Tampa Florida even taking Whitney along in the car waiting for Oba to come out with the stolen goods. How she was able to pass a background check with felony theft and fraud is beyond me. I can't imagine a person I entrusted my finances with is a convicted thief.

Annie Laurie Hearin is one that has always made me feel horrible. She reminded me of my grandmother. If what the letter said was going to happen to her is what actually happened....God, I can't even....

I would've liked to have had a little time alone with Wynn over that.

I just re-watched this episode and noticed it has two of the cruelest cases in the whole series:

Season 5 episode 21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpRqRJplvOo

The Blind River killer followed by the crime for which John Purvis was wrongfully convicted. Both were double murders.

In the second crime, the ex-husband, Paul Hamwi, hired two men to murder his ex-wife so he could get out of paying alimony. Their 18 month-old daughter was just left there and died of neglect.

The Blind River killer followed by the crime for which John Purvis was wrongfully convicted. Both were double murders.

Oh God, the Blind River Killer. I felt so horrible for Gord. :(

Some of the ones I found the most cruel have already been mentioned here -Lynne Amos, the Arkansas teenager killings, the dog kennel attacks, Debbie from North Carolina

I'd also mention Gregory Barker -the pervert who befriended Hilda Roche at a singles bar and then, after a few dates with her, used the premise of a lost wallet to invite himself into his home, rape her, restrain her and put her in his car and then drive her naked to the wood and cold-bloodedly execute her. What a monster. Thank goodness he got caught

Also, Charles Mule -the police officer who took advantage of and sexually abused that young girl who had come to him for help in dealing with the unwanted sexual advances of an older boy. I can't believe he wasn't in jail for longer and is out now

The way that scum Biker strung along the Mother of Amy Billing even to the point of having her travel miles away to a Bar to supposedly "rescue her" (only to be physically thrown out during a Bikers brawl) was disgustingly cruel. :(

So many....The one about Gus Hoffman just truly made me sad. His poor, heartbroken mom....

The way that scum Biker strung along the Mother of Amy Billing even to the point of having her travel miles away to a Bar to supposedly "rescue her" (only to be physically thrown out during a Bikers brawl) was disgustingly cruel. :(

I completely agree. Her mother lived the rest of her life frozen in time, trying to find her daughter (who probably was dead within days of disappearing).

I don't really like re watching these segments:

Gus Hoffman
Amy Billig
Gord McCallister
Jerry Gervasoni
Edward Bell

I recently saw the case of David Bocks. He was lowered into the 1300 degree furnace at the plant where he works. Authorities believe Bocks may have been alive and fully conscious when he was dropped in the furnace but they aren't certain. I would hope whoever did kill him at least did it before they put him there. You would think a person who is alive would be instantly killed if put in a furnace but that may not be the case. If they sank right into the molten liquid then yes, they would probably die in a millisecond and not feel a thing but that molten liquid is quite dense and he could have fallen on top of it but not sank. If that's the case, he would burst into flames and cook to death and that could take over an hour to kill someone although most likely they would not remain conscious most of that time. Even a minute in that condition would be the most excruciating torture known to man. It has been said he committed suicide. I don't believe any person committing suicide would do it by jumping into a 1300 degree furnace unless they were on some hard drugs or were completely detached from reality. He was certainly placed there. Hypothetically speaking, if he did commit suicide elsewhere and someone found his body, why would they put it in the furnace? Since all that was left of Bocks was a few bone fragments, it is impossible to know for sure how he died but I am positive he was either murdered first then put in the furnace or God forbid, thrown into the furnace still alive.

I'd also have to add the case of Joan Gay Croft, the child who was abducted after being injured in the Oklahoma tornado back in the 1940s. To take advantage of the horrific aftermath of a natural disaster to abduct an injured child in an environment where you know that the family is likely already suffering and will have experienced loss takes a special kind of evil. Not only did that family had to contend with the loss of a beloved mother, sister and wife but they had to live for the rest of their lives with the knowledge that someone stole their daughter/niece and the uncertainty of knowing what happened to her.

The Beverly McGowan killing always struck me as particularly cruel and senseless.

The Beverly McGowan killing always struck me as particularly cruel and senseless.

Same. Plus that creepy composite sketch...eck

The Beverly McGowan killing always struck me as particularly cruel and senseless.

I'd really love to know what Elaine Parent's motive was.

The murders of Wendy Camp, Cynthia Britto and Lisa Kregear. It pisses me off that Wendy's ex-in-laws felt it appropriate to kill not only Wendy, but her daughter and a friend as well, just so that Wendy's ex wouldn't have to share custody of his son with Wendy.

Annie Laurie Hearin, who has never been found. Her case makes me so angry.

Her husband even said she had nothing to do with his business decisions. He was filing lawsuits to collect money that was owed to him in twelve states where he operated School Pictures, and the kidnapper apparently thought that was cruel. WRONG.

If you are a franchisee and you owe money to the franchisor, you are obligated to pay. PERIOD. It doesn't matter if you think it's fair or not. I'm no franchise expert, but there's probably something in the agreement you sign when you become a franchisee. And most business owners don't wake up in the morning and think, "Gee, I can't wait to ruin someone's day with a lawsuit." Most business owners would rather you just pay what you're supposed to and live up to your obligations. Nobody likes getting lawyers involved.

Interestingly, half of the people named in the note returned the checks that Mr. Hearin was forced to pay. Maybe they felt uncomfortable about the whole thing or feared they'd be suspects. Among those people was Newton Alfred Wynn, eventually convicted of kidnapping and sent to prison.

So, because Mr. Wynn or someone else didn't understand how franchises work, an elderly woman was kidnapped and put though God knows what suffering. This woman never did anyone any harm, and she's still missing. Unbelievable.

Roxanne and Christopher Jeeves. don't know how the monster that did that is still breathing air. Also Dayle Wayne Eaton another monster. we know that he brutally killed Lisa Kimmel as seen on UM, but most likely killed others as well whose cases are unsolved. He was caught by police when he abducted a family. thankfully the couple were able to fight him off and protect their baby.

Spare a thought for Bruno and Bobo, which was a cruel case to start with, made worse by the fact that it was deleted from the reissue of UM, making it largely forgotten.

Oba Chandler. When I watched that segment as a kid, it was creepy but I think my childhood innocence convinced myself that everything was very quick. But nothing was quick. The terror, the rapes, the tying of all three women to cinder blocks and then thrown into the water still alive….all under a night sky out in the water with no ability to escape and nobody around to hear your cries for help. Did Joann have to watch both daughters get assaulted? What do you even say to your children in a situation as horrible as that? If I’m a loved one of the Rogers family, that’s the kind of stuff that would keep me awake at night.

Her husband even said she had nothing to do with his business decisions. He was filing lawsuits to collect money that was owed to him in twelve states where he operated School Pictures, and the kidnapper apparently thought that was cruel. WRONG.

If you are a franchisee and you owe money to the franchisor, you are obligated to pay. PERIOD. It doesn't matter if you think it's fair or not. I'm no franchise expert, but there's probably something in the agreement you sign when you become a franchisee. And most business owners don't wake up in the morning and think, "Gee, I can't wait to ruin someone's day with a lawsuit." Most business owners would rather you just pay what you're supposed to and live up to your obligations. Nobody likes getting lawyers involved.

Interestingly, half of the people named in the note returned the checks that Mr. Hearin was forced to pay. Maybe they felt uncomfortable about the whole thing or feared they'd be suspects. Among those people was Newton Alfred Wynn, eventually convicted of kidnapping and sent to prison.

So, because Mr. Wynn or someone else didn't understand how franchises work, an elderly woman was kidnapped and put though God knows what suffering. This woman never did anyone any harm, and she's still missing. Unbelievable.


Actually franchising can be a pretty abusive business model. The basic structure of a franchise tends to favor the franchisor over the franchisee to a significant degree. The franchisor is almost always a medium to large corporation, often a massive multinational one, that has a lot of money for lawyers and a significant information advantage. By contrast, most franchisees are what would be called small businesses, run by mom and pop type operators with very limited financial, legal, and analytical resources at their disposal.

This asymmetry creates a lot of opportunities for abuse. One somewhat recent example was Quiznos, which has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, bad press, and even a few franchisee suicides related to their treatment by the corporation. This was so widespread even the Simpsons did an episode which was based on it.

I don't know any of what went on with School Pictures, but perhaps sometime I will do some digging. The fact that 12 franchisees were apparently sued I think tends to say more about the corporate entity than those people. However to address certain points


"If you are a franchisee and you owe money to the franchisor, you are obligated to pay. PERIOD."


That is simply not how the agreements or the law works. There are going to be a lot of factors that play into if the debt is valid or not. For example, if the franchisor was obligated to provide certain considerations to their franchisees, such as advertising, and failed to do so, the franchisee could have the portion of the contract obligating them to pay invalidated.


And most business owners don't wake up in the morning and think, "Gee, I can't wait to ruin someone's day with a lawsuit." Most business owners would rather you just pay what you're supposed to and live up to your obligations. Nobody likes getting lawyers involved.


This is also often unfortunately not the case. Many large corporations consider legal just another strategy. Franchises are especially suspect here, because the franchisor is almost always going to have a large advantage in terms of money and lawyers over their franchisee, making it easy to win.



So, because Mr. Wynn or someone else didn't understand how franchises work,


Winn was a lawyer and I don't doubt he understood (at a theoretical level) how franchises work. I am also doubtful that all 12 of these people were totally inept and had no clue what they were doing.

Hopefully at some point I'll have time do dig into this one deeper, I'm now curious what went on with School Pictures.

Actually franchising can be a pretty abusive business model. The basic structure of a franchise tends to favor the franchisor over the franchisee to a significant degree. The franchisor is almost always a medium to large corporation, often a massive multinational one, that has a lot of money for lawyers and a significant information advantage. By contrast, most franchisees are what would be called small businesses, run by mom and pop type operators with very limited financial, legal, and analytical resources at their disposal.

This asymmetry creates a lot of opportunities for abuse. One somewhat recent example was Quiznos, which has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, bad press, and even a few franchisee suicides related to their treatment by the corporation. This was so widespread even the Simpsons did an episode which was based on it.

I don't know any of what went on with School Pictures, but perhaps sometime I will do some digging. The fact that 12 franchisees were apparently sued I think tends to say more about the corporate entity than those people. However to address certain points



That is simply not how the agreements or the law works. There are going to be a lot of factors that play into if the debt is valid or not. For example, if the franchisor was obligated to provide certain considerations to their franchisees, such as advertising, and failed to do so, the franchisee could have the portion of the contract obligating them to pay invalidated.



This is also often unfortunately not the case. Many large corporations consider legal just another strategy. Franchises are especially suspect here, because the franchisor is almost always going to have a large advantage in terms of money and lawyers over their franchisee, making it easy to win.




Winn was a lawyer and I don't doubt he understood (at a theoretical level) how franchises work. I am also doubtful that all 12 of these people were totally inept and had no clue what they were doing.

Hopefully at some point I'll have time do dig into this one deeper, I'm now curious what went on with School Pictures.

Okay, all good points. I'd be interested to see what happened with School Pictures.

But what's not in dispute is that Annie Laurie Hearin was an innocent victim in this case.

Okay, all good points. I'd be interested to see what happened with School Pictures.

But what's not in dispute is that Annie Laurie Hearin was an innocent victim in this case.

Agreed. She was innocent, and to me it seems very likely she was targeted because her husband would go to greater lengths to ensure her safety than his own.

At that, I also found his statement to the media...interesting.

"Like any businessman, I've made decisions which may appear to others as unfeeling. But those appearances are just not true. Moreover, those business decisions were mine, not my wife's."

Now I don't doubt that various LE agents and his own council helped draft this as a carefully prepared statement.

But what strikes me is his statement still seems to defend his business decisions, rather than fully throw that out the window in hopes of getting her back. I do wonder if this made things worse rather than better. Frankly, given the circumstances, a better message seems like it would have been

"I admit my business decisions have deeply wronged people, and I have no excuse for how I have behaved. I can only ask that as my wife had nothing to do with them you allow me to right my wrongs and let her go once I have"

I guess I don't understand the attempt to save face on the business side versus just tell the kidnappers what they wanted to hear.

Kurt Sova.

I know there is a lot of debate about what happened, how he died, but it seems cruel that his parents didn't know what happened to him for five days, that he was missing, and that they died years later without knowing what really happened.

The way that scum Biker strung along the Mother of Amy Billing even to the point of having her travel miles away to a Bar to supposedly "rescue her" (only to be physically thrown out during a Bikers brawl) was disgustingly cruel. :(

One of the worst "let's take advantage of loved ones' desperation" incidents on UM.