THIS THREAD IS TO APOLOGIZE PUBLICLY TO LOREN WEEKS FOR ACCUSING HIM OF LYING ABOUT GOING ON A TRIP. A MISSION IMPOSSIBLE SET I HAD WAS MISSING 3 SHOWS AND LOREN WAS GOING ON A TRIP AND COULDNT IMMEDIATELY CORRECT THE PROBLEM. I CAME DOWN QUITE HARD ON HIM AND WRONGLY SAID THAT HE WAS AVOIDING CORRECTING THE PROBLEM.

:thumbsup:
It takes some courage to post a public apology.
I don't know all the details, but I do know regardless of anything else- Loren has always been honest.

I hope things have gotten resolved, but even if not- its important we all realize form time to time we take things too far or too personally.
I myself included.

Sometimes words that are said cannot be withdrawn

if i recall correctly you didnt just come down hard on loren, you came down hostile and harsh and with both guns blasting--- if im not wrong u started several different threads about the same thing, and they got quite ugly and personal--- and it ended up with name calling and ugliness

now i cannot speak for loren, and i dont know his mindset and i dont pretend to

but i do know that sometimes, words that are spoken or in this case written in anger--- might seem different once the person calms down and rethinks it all

but once its out there, its out there

and since the previous comments were so long and so angry, i was a little suprised to see such a short and vague follow up weeks later

now im not involved in this issue at all, and i have no issues at all wth eddie and i aint defending or judging anyone, but i will say that often times
once a bridge is burnt--- its burnt! and sometimes comments are made that "im sorry" doesnt erase from the memory of those who read them

as for this particular scenario, i cannot comment ----- but again, there was such anger and rage in the previous comments that the damage might be unsalvageable

but i do know that sometimes, words that are spoken or in this case written in anger--- might seem different once the person calms down and rethinks it all

And the final word on acceptance should come from loren. It seems that
everytime someone takes the time to apologize for saying something stupid
(and we've all done it once or twice), Just how sincere they were always
comes into doubt. It's probably why more people don't make public apologies
for the dumb things they say. Why should they when they know that they'll
get crucified on the tree of public opinion.

Your absolutely right as well in saying sometimes words cannot be withdrawn
once they are said. But those who do not have the capacity to forgive should question whether they should be looking for that capacity in others.

Savage was correct to the fact that it took guts to post a public apology
to loren. And whether it's accepted or not, whether we think it's sincere
or not. It should be respected that it was given.

r

now im not involved in this issue at all, and i have no issues at all wth eddie and i aint defending or judging anyone, but i will say that often times
once a bridge is burnt--- its burnt! and sometimes comments are made that "im sorry" doesnt erase from the memory of those who read them

as for this particular scenario, i cannot comment ----- but again, there was such anger and rage in the previous comments that the damage might be unsalvageable


Uhmmm you cannot comment, didn't you just?

I think an apologies validity is to be determined between the person who makes it, and to whom they make it.

I dont think anyone else has the right to say if it will be worth something or not.
Obviouslly if this user were to apologize to you, it wouldn't be worth anything. You have made that clear- but you seem to be dismissing the apology FOR Loren.

not my intent at all
just voicing my feelings

and yes, its between 2 others
so we will see where the chips fall

on the surface this looks like a authentic apology

but given a number of facts, its just a ploy to get me to forget what he ranted about me, and return me back to providing eddie with discs,

i have private messages and emails from eddie that even offer to provide me with other discs to -get back-on my good side

to bury the hatchet

my principals have always gotten in the way of being a trader and a dvd whore

but my principals need to be followed

ill not ever give into to threats

ill never deal with anyone who calls me a liar in a open message board

ill never deal with anyone who posts numerous rants about me that were filled with malice and the intent to drag my name through the mud

eddie went on a rant tear about --one--episode of a set

he emailed me numerous times, and posted before i even read the emails--i was out of the house that aftrenoon

when i did answer him, he called me a liar that i was leaving for a week on vacation

im retired, i travel in the summer, i have 17000 miles on my goldwing since march, and will get another 3000 this week

and he called me a liar that i didnt check over my copy

i did check my working copy, as i stated

his one of 41 discs was an older version, made before the episode was replaced

i make 3-5 sets at a time, sometimes a set gets missed , on the stock shelf, when a reworked disc is made

i had even forgotten about the episode change

no matter, no one needs to pitch a fit like that, even if i sent him a set of the smurfs instead of the correct one

i told him to look the stuff over and send me --one--email and when i get home from vacation, il take care of it

but no, he needed to rant and pitch a public fit

no sir, theres no apology in the world that can undo the damage to my reputation that you inflicted

no sir, even if you were stark raving mad, its no excuse for thsat behavior

no sir, you can keep your apology

no sir, ill not deal with you in this lifetime

and i sure hope that others will see the fit you threw and do the correct thing, and pass on getting involved with you

and no sir, i will not discuss anymore about it

and no sir, ill not read any emails or pms from you as well

and sir, as far as im concerned, you ceased to exist that day

I would suggest that before anyone sends a nasty/hurtful letter or email to anyone, wait a day to rethink it. Chances are, once you've slept on it, you will realize it's not the correct action to take. Passions run high immediately after you think you've been wronged and you do not think with a clear head. Think ahead to the possible consequences of your actions. Just my 2 cents.

I would suggest that before anyone sends a nasty/hurtful letter or email to anyone, wait a day to rethink it. Chances are, once you've slept on it, you will realize it's not the correct action to take. Passions run high immediately after you think you've been wronged and you do not think with a clear head. Think ahead to the possible consequences of your actions. Just my 2 cents.


good plan

and at least give a person a chance to fix a minor problem before they run three negative threads about it, and spew threats

theres zero reason to throw a hissy fit in public for one episode

Loren-you have principals? Please don't make me laugh. Save the holier than thou attitude for another site. Accept the guy's apology or not who cares, but stop wasting server space with this soap opera!

Enough already!

Stop picking on Loren.. :mad:

Loren's cool! :cool:

ouch it hurts that my apology was not accepted, for anyone really interested in the facts please review the thread where all this occurred. in never name called as loren did and i dotn even think i specifically called him a liar. yes i admit to being mad and taking it to the board but there are obviously other ISSUES that loren has with me. the truth is the problem was on THREE EPISODES NOT ONE AND ANYONE WITH THE MISSION IMPOSSible SEASON 5-7 SET WILL SEE IT. THE CONFIRMATION CAN BE SEEN ON THE THREAD i found the 3 shows on my own and emailed loren with that info i didnt need to get any discs from him. i never cursed, name called or any other inflammatory statements. this upgraded set that loren now claims was never mentioned in any of his replies . BE AWARE THAT IF ANYONE DECIDES TO PURCHASE DVDS FROM LOREN DOnt EXPECT HIM TO DO A THOROUGH AND COMPLETE EXAMINATION OF YOUR COMPLAINT IN REGARDS TO A SET BEING COMPLETE.. anyone with any questions just email me and i will be glad to answer them. i have never had any problem with anyone else except but when someone disrespects yes i do get MAD. YES i was hoping to resolve hings with loren because as many of you know he has the one of the biggest collections of shows on the internet and as i have mentioned before on the said thread he normally had given me speedy service. however that still doesnt excuse his LACK OF respect for me on the complaint.

nice try eddie

first, eddie cant tell a story without fabrication

his post was about one episode, he made all that over one episode

and had he not posted, i wouldnt have ever responded

names, incorrect, i stated facts

i said eddie was ignorant, not a name , but a fact, he couldnt read

he still cant read

i posted i wouldnt deal with him ever again

AND YESTERDAY HE EMAILS ME AND WANTS TO PURCHASE ITEMS AGAIN, I GUESS THAT PROVES HE CANT READ

i also stated he was a liar, once again not a name, just a fact

eddie made a statement that i didnt look at my disc--i surely did

then made a statement that i lied about being on vacation

which of course i was

and now he tries to tell people that he didnt tell any lies in the matter

hello, have someone read the previous posts that you wrote , to you


seems funny how eddie threw such a fit, and then just yesterday wants to get more items from me, and now when i post in an open forum, that i woudlnt do anything with him ever, and i then respond to him that i wouldnt even sell him my cats old dried crap, now he decides to try and discredit me again

i guess he can just blame that on being ,mad again

nice touch eddie

im sure they will be lined up to deal; with you now

please also note, that eddie didnt allow for me to even read his complaint email, about the ONE episode, and he already had a post on sitcoms that he needed it

i dont care one bit that he got it somewhere else, HE DIDNT NEED TO, i had the one epsiode on my redone disc that i was checking when he ranted, had he given the least bit of decency, he would have had it as soon as i returned , but he decided to make up stories and call me a liar,and make threats

at the second he made the threats, he ceased to exist in my book, I DONT PLAY THAT.

eddie you can make up new lies, or retell your old ones, or whatever you need to do

the fact is, you crossed the line, accused me of being a liar, posted with malice, and just plain acted incorrectly

if you want to continue to get beat on, come on back, i got plenty more for you,

eddie before you tell another story thats a lie, re read your original post, funny how the story above and this story you told dont match

BE AWARE THAT IF ANYONE DECIDES TO PURCHASE DVDS FROM LOREN DOnt EXPECT HIM TO DO A THOROUGH AND COMPLETE EXAMINATION OF YOUR COMPLAINT IN REGARDS TO A SET BEING COMPLETE.. anyone with any questions just email me and i will be glad to answer them. i have never had any problem with anyone else except but when someone disrespects yes i do get MAD. YES i was hoping to resolve things with loren because as many of you know he has the one of the biggest collections of shows on the internet and as i have mentioned before on the said thread he normally had given me speedy service. however that still doesnt excuse his LACK OF respect for me on the complaint.

Eddie..sounds like almost the exact situation that I found myself in with Loren a while back. The 'complete' 29 disc Mr. Ed set he sold me was actually missing 6 episodes. I gave him the info on the missing episodes, and asked (in a very civilized way) if he could send me the disc with the missing episodes. Well, his emails turned into long, ranting, hatefill messages...accusing me of being a scammer. I'm still not sure how he came to that conclusion, since I would have gladly paid for the missing disc. But, when all was said and done, it was obvious his set did not contain these missing 6 episodes, and he was not about to take his uncomplete set back.

I basically realized that I was dealing with a somewhat unstable person, and decided the best thing would be to drop it and move on. I suggest you do the same, and just stay far clear from him.

hello your post replies always have an air of arrogance hmmm readers judge for yourselves. the original thread said i had found 1 show and there were others . i discovered those and as meNtioned this was the THIRD SET THAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY COMPLETE AND WASNT AND THAT IS A fact. mr weeks would make an excellent politician. i dont worry about people lining up to deal with me apparently you are. if soemone does read my threads i give loren credit for soMEthings however when he was wriong i pointed it out but like i mentioned there are other ISSUES that he has with me . I WONDER WHAT THEY ARE HMMM

THANK YOU FALC04

Eddie..sounds like almost the exact situation that I found myself in with Loren a while back. The 'complete' 29 disc Mr. Ed set he sold me was actually missing 6 episodes. I gave him the info on the missing episodes, and asked (in a very civilized way) if he could send me the disc with the missing episodes. Well, his emails turned into long, ranting, hatefill messages...accusing me of being a scammer. I'm still not sure how he came to that conclusion, since I would have gladly paid for the missing disc. But, when all was said and done, it was obvious his set did not contain these missing 6 episodes, and he was not about to take his uncomplete set back.

I basically realized that I was dealing with a somewhat unstable person, and decided the best thing would be to drop it and move on. I suggest you do the same, and just stay far clear from him.


now mr falc comes back with his week attempt to scam money from me

i had figured that you and your good buudy sheri from chicago would have given up by now

your mr ed set was made by a moderator on this exact sitcoms board

the maker was agent 13

you reprtted you had no duplicate discs

and that you had no discs that didnt function

so you had all 29 discs

but somehow you didnt have all the eps, even though i contacted the set maker, and fowarded the email to you like a year ago

she verified that the set was all there, and i fowarded the email to you

end of stroy


BUT HERES THE REAL KICKER

MR JIM WANTED A TOTAL REFUND, AFTER HE HAD THE SET FOR LIKE EVER

garsh, seems you and your buddy sheri sold that set, and had positive comments on it, but yet all of a sudden, its no good, and you need a refund

more like, you and your buddy sheri couldnt get it to duplicate, and wanted a refund, months later,

imagine that, another shill and friend of sheris comes up with a problem

and jim, please, i love your comment about how you stayed clear of me, you asked at leat 20 times to buy more stuff, and i flat out refused, since i knew who you were buying it for, many people i cut off cant coem to terms with it

come on out of the woodwork, everyone whos got a comment, todays the day

but be warned, ill likely tell the entire story

I have no interest in debating with you again Loren...we went over all that before. I told you during our email exchanges, that I was a BIG Mister Ed fan, and that I was looking for the complete series...not a set missing 6 episodes. I did first ask about exchanging the ones you sent me for something else...then, as you became more belligerent, I said I would like a refund from you, for selling me something other then described (to just be done with you). As your responses became more and more hate-filled, I decided that $100 wasn't worth it. I only posted here, because I see someone else happened to run into an exact duplicate of my situation with you, and wanted him to know he wasn't alone.

Like I said, I'm finished responding to you...but what still amazes me with that whole ugly affair, was that I had previously purchased a few hundred dollars worth of discs from you, and was happy with everything. As soon as something became amiss with one of your sales, you decided I was at fault. Seems odd, seeing as I told you, that you had a lot more shows I wanted to purchase...but your wonderful 'people skills' convinced me to look elsewhere for them.

BEAUTIFULLY SAID !!!!

mr falc

theres nothing i didnt do for you, except coem to your house and play the discs

there were 29 disc

you had them all

no dupes and no coasters

the set was verified by moderator--agent 13

give it up, you and sheri got caught


theres a huge difference between you and eddie

1--hes not a shill for a notorous scamer-sheri

2-he actauly had an episode messed up in his set


of cousre we had good dealings previously

right up until you tried to pull soem crap

then i verified that the set was complete, you emaileld me 50 times to cry and whine, amnd threaten

i put you on the ignore list

case closed

This is very interesting. A few months back, I got from Loren a "complete" set of Hazel DVD's. Needless to say, I was not satisfied with the stuff I received. First off, there were duplicate episodes, so some episodes were missing entirely. And most of the episodes came from TV Land/WOR where they cut off 3-4 minutes of each episode. The disks were poorly edited and some episodes had no sound. I contacted Loren and originally I was going to return the DVD's and ask that the problems of duplicate episodes and episodes with no sound be corrected. Loren came across as not being the most co-operative individual, a bit of a chip on the shoulder. So I thought it over and considering the overall poor quality of the set, I decided it wasn't worth the hassle. I wrote it off as a loss, tossed the DVD's and chalked it up to experience. This was not the first time I had a negative outcome dealing thru this forum. Soon after, I found out that season one DVD's of Hazel is coming out in August, so I'll be getting those.

Loren might have a lot of stuff, but quantity doesn't always translate to quality. And he seems prone to be sloppy with what he does, because there are other complaints here similar to mine. Because I've had things go sour here more than once, I will never again do another transaction thru this board. It is too easy to get disappointed here, too easy to get ripped off. My advice to everyone: If you want your favorite shows on DVD, get the official commercial releases and avoid dealing with individuals. I think it's pretty safe to say that the majority of traders here don't possess the greatest quality stuff. The shows are taken from TV, the quality is not very good and chances are the shows will not be uncut. And fact is, there is nothing better than the quality of an official DVD release. If your favorite show is not yet available, have patience because new stuff is being released all the time and more than likely what you're looking for will eventually be out there. TVShowsOnDVD.com is a great source to find out what shows are available on DVD.

TO FORGIVE IS DIVINE THIS IS WHAT THE GOOD BOOK SAYS
OF COURSE THAT IS ONLY IF YOU BELIEVE IN A GOOD BOOK .

Is Loren running for politics or something? All these people coming out of the closet at once; it's like a smear campaign.

This is very interesting. A few months back, I got from Loren a "complete" set of Hazel DVD's. Needless to say, I was not satisfied with the stuff I received. First off, there were duplicate episodes, so some episodes were missing entirely. And most of the episodes came from TV Land/WOR where they cut off 3-4 minutes of each episode. The disks were poorly edited and some episodes had no sound. I contacted Loren and originally I was going to return the DVD's and ask that the problems of duplicate episodes and episodes with no sound be corrected. Loren came across as not being the most co-operative individual, a bit of a chip on the shoulder. So I thought it over and considering the overall poor quality of the set, I decided it wasn't worth the hassle. I wrote it off as a loss, tossed the DVD's and chalked it up to experience. This was not the first time I had a negative outcome dealing thru this forum. Soon after, I found out that season one DVD's of Hazel is coming out in August, so I'll be getting those.

.


thanks leeg

ill add you to the list of fabricators and peopel who just plain cant read

his gripe was

THE HAZEL SET IS CUT------- FROM ORIGINAL

AT NO TIME DID I EVER SAY IT WAS UNCUT

AND AT NO TIME WAS IT EVER LISTED OR EVEN HINTED TO BEING COMPLETE, EPSIODE 23 IS NOT INCLUDED

however the pilot is,a nd ep 23 is a recut of the pilot

he did say that there was a duplicate episode, but he didnt want it fixed,and wouldnt even say what it was

he only wanted a full refund, based on the fact it was cut from original--

in fact look above, thats his first contention, the duplicateb epsidoe was an after thought


if lee has a missing episode, post it now, ill ship a corrected disc now

but thats not what he wanted, he wanted an uncut set, and assumed mine would be--no one has an uncut set, and im quite sure you will find that even a retail release will be cut from original content,

This is very interesting. A few months back, I got from Loren a "complete" set of Hazel DVD's. Needless to say, I was not satisfied with the stuff I received. First off, there were duplicate episodes, so some episodes were missing entirely. And most of the episodes came from TV Land/WOR where they cut off 3-4 minutes of each episode. The disks were poorly edited and some episodes had no sound. I contacted Loren and originally I was going to return the DVD's and ask that the problems of duplicate episodes and episodes with no sound be corrected. Loren came across as not being the most co-operative individual, a bit of a chip on the shoulder. So I thought it over and considering the overall poor quality of the set, I decided it wasn't worth the hassle. I wrote it off as a loss, tossed the DVD's and chalked it up to experience. This was not the first time I had a negative outcome dealing thru this forum. Soon after, I found out that season one DVD's of Hazel is coming out in August, so I'll be getting those.

Loren might have a lot of stuff, but quantity doesn't always translate to quality. And he seems prone to be sloppy with what he does, because there are other complaints here similar to mine. Because I've had things go sour here more than once, I will never again do another transaction thru this board. It is too easy to get disappointed here, too easy to get ripped off. My advice to everyone: If you want your favorite shows on DVD, get the official commercial releases and avoid dealing with individuals. I think it's pretty safe to say that the majority of traders here don't possess the greatest quality stuff. The shows are taken from TV, the quality is not very good and chances are the shows will not be uncut. And fact is, there is nothing better than the quality of an official DVD release. If your favorite show is not yet available, have patience because new stuff is being released all the time and more than likely what you're looking for will eventually be out there. TVShowsOnDVD.com is a great source to find out what shows are available on DVD.

It's the same as saying "I was married once and I will never get married again, as all marriages stink" That's hasty generalization and can or can not be true. If you got burned by one or even two traders it doesn't imply that all traders supply sloppy merchandise or even that all quality is bad. I have seen some stuff that came from present and past members of this board, and the quality is just beautiful.

Make small trades to start and check the quality but most people want if the set is 45 disks, all in one trade. And make sure to ask a lot of questions, and state "if what you say isn't true, I expect my money back if it was a sale" If just a trade, bite the upper lip and look back and see if you could have done anything different. For those who follow wrestling, they may understand this. The first thing a new wrestler is taught is how to protect his oppenent and how to protect himself. Make sure you have safeguards in place when you trade.

Harvey

TO FORGIVE IS DIVINE THIS IS WHAT THE GOOD BOOK SAYS
OF COURSE THAT IS ONLY IF YOU BELIEVE IN A GOOD BOOK .

the good book also says not to run your mouth and call people liars on open baords

look at your original post

eddie, why dont you contact falc, and he and you and sheri can can becoem a cartell, seeing as how your his new best buddy now

becasue as sure as darkness follows the light, i wouldnt even sell you my cats dried up turds

so dont even think ill change my mind ever

be like your other buddies i cut off, use a fake name or a shill like falc to do your procurement

Is Loren running for politics or something? All these people coming out of the closet at once; it's like a smear campaign.

im not running for anything

its just one disgruntled person piggybacking on the next one

one couldnt pull a scam and get a refund on mr ed, even after his keeper sold a copy on ioffer, and after a moderator vefified the set was complete, no refund here either--wrong

another assumed that i was the only person in the world who had an uncut hazel set, of course if thats so important, why didnt dude ask that up front?? it would have saved all that issue- im not refunding due to episode lenghth, and i would fix any missing episode, but he only wanted a refund--wrong

and the other just decided that since i didnt answer him in like a couple minutes, i must be ducking him,a nd when i did answer him and tell him i would be gone all week, TO SEND ME ONE EMAIL WITH HIS ISSUES, AND ILL LOOK IT OVER WHEN I GET BACK, he went balastic and attacked me on the board, of which hes so sorry for now,--i would have fixed the missing episodes, but i wasnt given a chance

all three of these have nothing to do with trades

all were sales

and all were dealt with, in a timely manner,

i have done several thousand trades and sales,and this is the best you can bitch about??

The only thing I want people to consider is this


Why has no one come forward with complaints till now?


I am not choosing sides, I am not educated enough on this circumstance-

But it seems quite a few are piling on, and if they are legit complaints fine so be it.

but ask yourself when your posting, why nothing was said till now?
I just poured through the feedback section and none of this has been an issue before.

So I am curious, why now that a member has a problem, people are saying things.

Is it because they want to make the original compainer feel vindicated?
Or to jump on the coat tales of a complaint that didn't see the light of day previously due to lack of courage or fear of standing alone.
If it wasn't worth complaining before, why is it now.

I don't have an issue with complaints-
I dont have an issue with valid problems- and them being discussed publically if all other avenues were attempted.
But I dont want to see a lynching either.

So before taking someone to the jury I only want each poster to ask themselves if they attempted to bring this to resolve before now-as I don't want to see some only posting to get a few quick jabs in, because the opportunity is there.

All I am asking is consider what you are posting- as things liek this can, and often do get out of control.

Just some advice, take it or leave it...but I want to see the thread stay above the bar- no personal information, no copies of emails or proof of sales- No swearing - discuss it or fight it, but do it intelligently.

if i wronged someone

step up

state your case

but the absolutely weak stuff i see above, is just that

very weak

i didnt know it wasnt uncut and need a refund---wrong next

i cant find mr ed eps, even though a moderator made the set and reaffirmed it was complete----and i want a refund--wrong next

the eddie thing was handled by eddie very poorly, i would have taken care of him, either by getting the disc fixed , or a n adjustment of some type, he didnt allow me that , he sought them elsewhere

and i surely cant be expected to compensate him for his expenses, if i wasnt given the chance to fix it

every one who trades-sells--gives away disc, will have an episode problem at times

if i posted every time i had a missing one or a missing disc come to me, i would be posting all day everyday about it,

most people pass it off on the original source--example--thats the way i got it from --stinky34

i take responsibility for my items,i do something, although it does take time to find and get the eps at some points, or something in its place to make up for the issue

no one is going to sit there and tell me you look over every episode that you trade--sell-give away, im not buying that one at all

so dont sit there and hold me to doing that,

I think it's pretty safe to say that the majority of traders here don't possess the greatest quality stuff. The shows are taken from TV, the quality is not very good and chances are the shows will not be uncut. And fact is, there is nothing better than the quality of an official DVD release. If your favorite show is not yet available, have patience because new stuff is being released all the time and more than likely what you're looking for will eventually be out there. TVShowsOnDVD.com is a great source to find out what shows are available on DVD.

Trading is not for everyone. If quality is the most important thing to you, steer clear of trading. Yes, there are many shows on the trading circuit that are not the greatest quality. But when you realize that many originated from multi-generation VHS recordings and are not commercially available & may not be for a very long time, then it's really not that big of a deal. Even shows that ARE released commercially, take a long time. IE, Bewitched. They've only released 3 seasons so far. Yes, I'd guess eventually they will all be released commercially. Some day.

One thing I'm fairly certain (not 100%, tho) is original/classic/Marshall Hollywood Squares will never be released commercially. I have 115 episodes that were shown on Game Show Network in 2000 (IIRC). And it's 99.9% certain GSN will never show them again, since they were a bust with their younger audience, who tend to prefer the newer versions. I call the quality "good", but I'd MUCH rather have what I have than nothing at all.

Oh and then there are the film shorts & unsold pilots that will most likely never be released commercially or even shown again.

Dean Martin show. I have several. Will THEY ever be released commercially? Probably not, since the late Greg Garrison had the copyrights & put out his own 29 disc set that was a "best of". Each disc followed the format of the original show, but each segment was culled from several episodes. IE, the opening song from one episode, comedy sketches from a couple other shows, "song on the piano" segment from yet another show. I'm fairly sure whomever inherited the copyrights will continue to push the existing set, since it's the easiest & least expensive thing to do.

if i wronged someone

step up

state your case

but the absolutely weak stuff i see above, is just that

very weak

i didnt know it wasnt uncut and need a refund---wrong next

i cant find mr ed eps, even though a moderator made the set and reaffirmed it was complete----and i want a refund--wrong next

the eddie thing was handled by eddie very poorly, i would have taken care of him, either by getting the disc fixed , or a n adjustment of some type, he didnt allow me that , he sought them elsewhere

and i surely cant be expected to compensate him for his expenses, if i wasnt given the chance to fix it

every one who trades-sells--gives away disc, will have an episode problem at times

if i posted every time i had a missing one or a missing disc come to me, i would be posting all day everyday about it,

most people pass it off on the original source--example--thats the way i got it from --stinky34

i take responsibility for my items,i do something, although it does take time to find and get the eps at some points, or something in its place to make up for the issue

no one is going to sit there and tell me you look over every episode that you trade--sell-give away, im not buying that one at all

so dont sit there and hold me to doing that,

I agree no one sits there and looks at every episode and there lies the problem. When a manufacturer purports his product to be such and such he must stand by it and if not, refund. I believe a seller or trader takes a chance when he or she makes a trade in the sense the goods are as they say they are. When selling the the standard is significantly raised, the person expects that he or she is getting what they paid for, no less,no more. In trading some amends can be made, giving some more disks etc. but a buyer wants what they are paying for and expect the product to be as advertised.

My bit of advice to all sellers, and not just Loren, check your merchandise before you sell it. I gurarantee better then half the problems can be avoided.
I don't believe you mean Loren as you said you have no intents or interest of checking what you have befroe selling, relying on the word of who you traded or purchased from. We all know of those who will say or doing anything for a trade.

Bottom line, buyer asks questions, and seller check before you state "I have this and that"

Harvey

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I don't believe you mean Loren as you said you have no intents or interest of checking what you have befroe selling, relying on the word of who you traded or purchased from.
Harvey

harvey, i dont know where you got this idea from

but thats not my intention to say that

i say i cant look at every episode

and no one else does either

i can name names of people who advertise and try to tarde and sell items, far previous to their ever getting them in their hands

i do a sampling of episode checks

to look for quality

but as far as checking each episode for 100% length, correct title, etc etc

no thats not possible for anyone


harvey,

i made the mission impossible 26 disc seasons 1-4 set, so im very certain that 104 eps are all correct

ill not name names and throw folks under the bus, but we both know who made the missionn impossible seasons 5-7 on 15 discs

which is the start of this thread--problem

that person is well trusted, very honest, and does great work, but had a little problem

i trust that persons work, and this time there was a boo boo

given a normal approach to the issue, it would have been resolved in a swift and effective fashion, and i would have supplied eddie with the fixer

but that wasnt allowed to happen this time

the same person made the nice rawhide set and forgot episode 162 on the disc, my trade partner noticed this, emailed me, i emailed the set maker, he dropped me a corrected disc, i shipped it off to my guy, all better, no big deal

thats the way it should happen

not jump out and run the mouth and claim this and that, over a couple eps, and once the threats come to me, forget it, game over, out of the pool

LOL Loren I like how you put your own spin on things. You're good. Yes, there were duplicate episodes in the set you sent me. And there were episodes that had no sound. One episode in particular, the sound disappeared half way thru the episode and was absent the rest of the way. That was aggravating. At that point, I really didn't care anymore. The set was a mess, there were too many problems and I didn't want anything fixed or corrected. I didn't even ask for a refund. I was really very nice about the whole thing, I let you off the hook easy. My one mistake was in gambling that the Hazel set from you would have uncut episodes. I should have known better. But it doesn't take away from the fact that the disks were poorly edited, had duplicate episodes and there were episodes with no sound. I got ripped off. Oh, well. Live and learn. I will never conduct another transaction from this forum again. And I can 99.9 percent guarantee you that when season one of Hazel comes out, the episodes will be uncut. Sony doesn't put out any junk. And I have yet to see an official DVD TV show release without uncut episodes. All that remains to be seen is if they will release all 5 seasons. Hopefully they will.

I didn't want anything fixed or corrected. I didn't even ask for a refund.


lee

you didnt want anything fixed and didnt ask for a refund

sorry sir, you did ask for a refund--

and your correct you never wanted any thing fixed, or even tell me what was wrong

your issue was episode length

so by your statement from your post

what am i supposed to do to make you all better



and now the editing is bad, well i left the original commercials in for a reason

on old shows like that, many people seek the original adds, and since hazel has many adds where the show cast does the adds, almost like part of the show, i believe its a nice thing

if this series was 10 years never, solomon would drive to my house to get it with all those original adds

LOL Loren I like how you put your own spin on things. You're good. Yes, there were duplicate episodes in the set you sent me. And there were episodes that had no sound. One episode in particular, the sound disappeared half way thru the episode and was absent the rest of the way. That was aggravating. At that point, I really didn't care anymore. The set was a mess, there were too many problems and I didn't want anything fixed or corrected. I didn't even ask for a refund. I was really very nice about the whole thing, I let you off the hook easy. My one mistake was in gambling that the Hazel set from you would have uncut episodes. I should have known better. But it doesn't take away from the fact that the disks were poorly edited, had duplicate episodes and there were episodes with no sound. I got ripped off. Oh, well. Live and learn. I will never conduct another transaction from this forum again. And I can 99.9 percent guarantee you that when season one of Hazel comes out, the episodes will be uncut. Sony doesn't put out any junk. And I have yet to see an official DVD TV show release without uncut episodes. All that remains to be seen is if they will release all 5 seasons. Hopefully they will.

You keep telling us that you are leaving like we are going to be heart broken. Trading isn't for someone like you who wants perfection. I wish I lived in my own little bubble where I could believe that everything I want is going to come out and that no dvd sets are cut. You've never seen the junk that Sony has put out? I wish I were as lucky as you.

You keep telling us that you are leaving like we are going to be heart broken. Trading isn't for someone like you who wants perfection. I wish I lived in my own little bubble where I could believe that everything I want is going to come out and that no dvd sets are cut. You've never seen the junk that Sony has put out? I wish I were as lucky as you.

i have all the columbia house perry mason releases

at least 3 have been cut

i have all the col house land of the giants

the first two eps have been cut

maybe the originals were poor in those areas, who knows


butt he key to getting anything, no matter what it is

is ask questions before you commit

you dont buy a car and then cry becasue it doesnt have cruise control, and you assumed it would

Loren, I said I would LIKE to have a refund but would not pursue it. I had already wrote it off as a loss. Yes, my main concern is uncut episodes but that aside the set from you had duplicate episodes and others had no sound and those were two major problems. Some of your Hazel shows are transfers from film with original ads. That's good, but most are from TV Land/WOR where they chop off 3-4 minutes from the episodes. Not good, I hate when TV stations do that. Show the entire episode and don't be advertising greedy, for christ sake.

jasimon, What has Sony released that you define as junk? LOL, nice try, mon. The Hazel DVD's will be just fine. Give it up.

I agree no one sits there and looks at every episode and there lies the problem. When a manufacturer purports his product to be such and such he must stand by it and if not, refund. I believe a seller or trader takes a chance when he or she makes a trade in the sense the goods are as they say they are. When selling the the standard is significantly raised, the person expects that he or she is getting what they paid for, no less,no more. In trading some amends can be made, giving some more disks etc. but a buyer wants what they are paying for and expect the product to be as advertised.

My bit of advice to all sellers, and not just Loren, check your merchandise before you sell it. I gurarantee better then half the problems can be avoided.
I don't believe you mean Loren as you said you have no intents or interest of checking what you have befroe selling, relying on the word of who you traded or purchased from. We all know of those who will say or doing anything for a trade.

Bottom line, buyer asks questions, and seller check before you state "I have this and that"

Harvey


Which is why I would never buy a complete set of anything on DVD because most probably don;t check every ep and I know most of you will say who has the time but if it's something you are selling you have to do it. I wanted to buy a complete set of CPO Sharkey off ebay last week and just passed because i know i would be taking a big risk

Which is why I would never buy a complete set of anything on DVD because most probably don;t check every ep and I know most of you will say who has the time but if it's something you are selling you have to do it. I wanted to buy a complete set of CPO Sharkey off ebay last week and just passed because i know i would be taking a big risk-lol

fyp

fyp


Hey Buddy, how are you

ok ENOUGH IS ENOUGH People

my god, and people say I beat dead horses

ok here are some observations

1. no trader can check EVERY THING 100%--- we try, for instance if i get a 20 disc set of a show with 100 episodes from a trader i dont know--- i put in the discs and mark off ep by ep til its all accounted for--- NOW YES, ITS POSSIBLE that an episode is mislabeled, it happens sometimes, but its NOT the end of the world, and it does NOT make the set junk---- and i spot check on quality, and check many discs, but nothing is foolproof

2. its IMPOSSIBLE to watch EVERY EPISODE of EVERY SET to be 100% sure its not mislabeled, so sometimes one will sneak in, it happens to all of us

3. if a set has issues such as ep duplicated or ep with no sound, etc, THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE IT is to make 1 detailed email with EXACT NATURE of all issues clearly spelled out such as----

disc 15-- ep 12 is dupe of ep 11, missing ep 12
disc 14-- ep 9 has no sound, etc etc etc and

then give the other party a reasonable chance to fix it
ALSO if u do not give the other party a chance to fix it and are not willing to work to resolve it, then i think its a cheap shot to post the problem on any site like this publicly

4. editing issues---- i get sets in sometimes that are not edited as well as id like---- BUT AM I GOING TO SPEND 100 hours to redo the set from scratch? to remove 1/10th of a second of commercial cuts? no, of course not, how it comes to me, is usually how it stays

5.if mistakes or disagreements happen, personal attacks and childish name calling such as saying SO AND SO is ******** or a MORON, only make the poster look foolish and give the impression to other traders--- that the person making the attacks is "DIFFICULT" and not someone to trade with

now i dont pretend to know all the inner details of these trades and i dont know all the facts, but i can say that 1- it does not need multiple threads started --- some that are just plain attacking someone and name calling, 2. it can be handled more maturely and more intelligently, and 3. it seems as if these are some pretty minor issues that people are blowing way out of proportion here!

*** and just for TVRESEARCHER--- i DO have the complete CPO SHARKEY set on 8 discs, with menus, all eps are there and all are complete

that cpo sharkey series sure looks good and lamont you ane right again i apologize even if its not accepted . my conscience is clear god bless you ,loren and every other trader.

ok ENOUGH IS ENOUGH People

my god, and people say I beat dead horses

ok here are some observations

1. no trader can check EVERY THING 100%--- we try, for instance if i get a 20 disc set of a show with 100 episodes from a trader i dont know--- i put in the discs and mark off ep by ep til its all accounted for--- NOW YES, ITS POSSIBLE that an episode is mislabeled, it happens sometimes, but its NOT the end of the world, and it does NOT make the set junk---- and i spot check on quality, and check many discs, but nothing is foolproof

2. its IMPOSSIBLE to watch EVERY EPISODE of EVERY SET to be 100% sure its not mislabeled, so sometimes one will sneak in, it happens to all of us

3. if a set has issues such as ep duplicated or ep with no sound, etc, THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE IT is to make 1 detailed email with EXACT NATURE of all issues clearly spelled out such as----

disc 15-- ep 12 is dupe of ep 11, missing ep 12
disc 14-- ep 9 has no sound, etc etc etc and

then give the other party a reasonable chance to fix it
ALSO if u do not give the other party a chance to fix it and are not willing to work to resolve it, then i think its a cheap shot to post the problem on any site like this publicly

4. editing issues---- i get sets in sometimes that are not edited as well as id like---- BUT AM I GOING TO SPEND 100 hours to redo the set from scratch? to remove 1/10th of a second of commercial cuts? no, of course not, how it comes to me, is usually how it stays

5.if mistakes or disagreements happen, personal attacks and childish name calling such as saying SO AND SO is ******** or a MORON, only make the poster look foolish and give the impression to other traders--- that the person making the attacks is "DIFFICULT" and not someone to trade with

now i dont pretend to know all the inner details of these trades and i dont know all the facts, but i can say that 1- it does not need multiple threads started --- some that are just plain attacking someone and name calling, 2. it can be handled more maturely and more intelligently, and 3. it seems as if these are some pretty minor issues that people are blowing way out of proportion here!

*** and just for TVRESEARCHER--- i DO have the complete CPO SHARKEY set on 8 discs, with menus, all eps are there and all are complete



Monty, if it's a set that's being sold, then yes it may sound a little crazy but u kind of have to check every ep 100%. Because a person would want to enjoy watching the eps after they paid for them. Now if u are trading a set of 20 eps, then that's different, u can still check every ep but not like you would if you are sellling.


Lamont did u hear anything about that Grady ep I asked you about?

sharkey, i made the set from vhs tapes, so i know they are all there
all of them, not just 20

grady--no, nothing

ok ENOUGH IS ENOUGH People

my god, and people say I beat dead horses

ok here are some observations

1. no trader can check EVERY THING 100%--- we try, for instance if i get a 20 disc set of a show with 100 episodes from a trader i dont know--- i put in the discs and mark off ep by ep til its all accounted for--- NOW YES, ITS POSSIBLE that an episode is mislabeled, it happens sometimes, but its NOT the end of the world, and it does NOT make the set junk---- and i spot check on quality, and check many discs, but nothing is foolproof

2. its IMPOSSIBLE to watch EVERY EPISODE of EVERY SET to be 100% sure its not mislabeled, so sometimes one will sneak in, it happens to all of us

3. if a set has issues such as ep duplicated or ep with no sound, etc, THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE IT is to make 1 detailed email with EXACT NATURE of all issues clearly spelled out such as----

disc 15-- ep 12 is dupe of ep 11, missing ep 12
disc 14-- ep 9 has no sound, etc etc etc and

then give the other party a reasonable chance to fix it
ALSO if u do not give the other party a chance to fix it and are not willing to work to resolve it, then i think its a cheap shot to post the problem on any site like this publicly

4. editing issues---- i get sets in sometimes that are not edited as well as id like---- BUT AM I GOING TO SPEND 100 hours to redo the set from scratch? to remove 1/10th of a second of commercial cuts? no, of course not, how it comes to me, is usually how it stays

5.if mistakes or disagreements happen, personal attacks and childish name calling such as saying SO AND SO is ******** or a MORON, only make the poster look foolish and give the impression to other traders--- that the person making the attacks is "DIFFICULT" and not someone to trade with

now i dont pretend to know all the inner details of these trades and i dont know all the facts, but i can say that 1- it does not need multiple threads started --- some that are just plain attacking someone and name calling, 2. it can be handled more maturely and more intelligently, and 3. it seems as if these are some pretty minor issues that people are blowing way out of proportion here!

*** and just for TVRESEARCHER--- i DO have the complete CPO SHARKEY set on 8 discs, with menus, all eps are there and all are complete

Yea, but does Sharkey have original commercials and promos? Please, please, please, I beg you, whatever nonsense Solomon has with Grady answer him, he keeps posting and posting with" any news" My kids used to do that before I chased them out of the room.

Harvey

sharkey, i made the set from vhs tapes, so i know they are all there
all of them, not just 20

grady--no, nothing



I was just saying I would be hesistant to get the 37 ep set of sharkey because of glitches on the DVD. I saw someone selling the set on ebay and I was tempted but I changed my mind. Now if they were selling all 37 eps on VHS, i would have bought them with the quickness and converted them to DVD myself

Lamont cracks me up. You big dummy! :lol: Mistakes can happen like getting hold of a bad DVD or VHS tape. But it is inexcusable to send someone a set of DVD's with duplicate episodes and others with no sound. Totally uncalled for. This trading forum is bad news. All people do here is rip each other off and bicker with one another. I won't be a part of it anymore. I'll try to limit my future posts to the individual TV show threads. I've said my piece, case closed.

i think it is time for the moderator to close this baby down.
ps again im sorry loren

I was just saying I would be hesistant to get the 37 ep set of sharkey because of glitches on the DVD. I saw someone selling the set on ebay and I was tempted but I changed my mind. Now if they were selling all 37 eps on VHS, i would have bought them with the quickness and converted them to DVD myself

I didn't think you ever got a DVDR. I knew you were looking but I never thought you got one.

Lamont cracks me up. You big dummy! :lol: Mistakes can happen like getting hold of a bad DVD or VHS tape. But it is inexcusable to send someone a set of DVD's with duplicate episodes and others with no sound. Totally uncalled for. This trading forum is bad news. All people do here is rip each other off and bicker with one another. I won't be a part of it anymore. I'll try to limit my future posts to the individual TV show threads. I've said my piece, case closed.
Lee G
i was not singling you out at all

BUT if i may comment
FOR INSTANCE on a set like HAZEL, its what-- 150 some eps?

How is someone supposed to know if less than a handful might not have sound? i mean, i try to check against an ep guide when i get a new set in to see what is there, and all and i spot check, but did u think that someone had actually watched, ALL 150 odd episodes? of course not, someone gets a big set, they check it out the best they can and duplicate it, if there are a few smaller issues like this----99% of the time with a detailed email, they can be fixed--- For instance, maybe the person who did the set could redo those discs? i have a hazel set and to best of my knowledge, all eps have sound! its a different set than lorens but its the same series and same # of eps, and still missing #23

i was not directing it just to you, but to traders in general, who get upset b/c of minor flaws that can 99% of the time be fixed

like--- i have the GUNSMOKE set, all 20 years of the series--- ive checked to be sure its complete, but NO ive not watched all 600+ hours of the show, so its possible that some glitches are there

to me its just not worth all this ugliness over it all
and im sorry u r not interested in trading,
and i dont know what your experiences are, but rip offs are not very common
now mistakes happen, people get behind, people have issues with sets-- yes to all
but ive only been ripped off a handful of times on this board

(99% of the time by 1 of "LAMONT'S ANGELS" or a certain Howling guy from the woods!)

and i do tons of trades and i can say that over 95% of them go off excellent!

I didn't think you ever got a DVDR. I knew you were looking but I never thought you got one.


I will be getting it sometime in August

Lee G
i was not singling you out at all

BUT if i may comment
FOR INSTANCE on a set like HAZEL, its what-- 150 some eps?

How is someone supposed to know if less than a handful might not have sound? i mean, i try to check against an ep guide when i get a new set in to see what is there, and all and i spot check, but did u think that someone had actually watched, ALL 150 odd episodes? of course not, someone gets a big set, they check it out the best they can and duplicate it, if there are a few smaller issues like this----99% of the time with a detailed email, they can be fixed--- For instance, maybe the person who did the set could redo those discs? i have a hazel set and to best of my knowledge, all eps have sound! its a different set than lorens but its the same series and same # of eps, and still missing #23

i was not directing it just to you, but to traders in general, who get upset b/c of minor flaws that can 99% of the time be fixed

like--- i have the GUNSMOKE set, all 20 years of the series--- ive checked to be sure its complete, but NO ive not watched all 600+ hours of the show, so its possible that some glitches are there

to me its just not worth all this ugliness over it all
and im sorry u r not interested in trading,
and i dont know what your experiences are, but rip offs are not very common
now mistakes happen, people get behind, people have issues with sets-- yes to all
but ive only been ripped off a handful of times on this board

(99% of the time by 1 of "LAMONT'S ANGELS" or a certain Howling guy from the woods!)

and i do tons of trades and i can say that over 95% of them go off excellent!


That's why so risky for me to get an entire series on DVD because like you said every ep won't be checked.

:yawn:

I will be getting it sometime in August

Does that mean you have no way to burn a dvd? If not, does that mean if someone sends you a dvd, you send a tape?

Harvey

Does that mean you have no way to burn a dvd? If not, does that mean if someone sends you a dvd, you send a tape?

Harvey


Yeah sometimes

Yeah sometimes

You want someone to get a tape from you, and then convert it to dvd? Am I reading correctly?

They send peaches and you send apples. Straight answer. Do you have a dvd burner, either on a computer or a duplicator?

Harvey

You want someone to get a tape from you, and then convert it to dvd? Am I reading correctly?

They send peaches and you send apples. Straight answer. Do you have a dvd burner, either on a computer or a duplicator?

Harvey



Harvey I'm not a DVD trader Only, still VHS but looking to become a DVD trader in the fall

no one is going to sit there and tell me you look over every episode that you trade

but as far as checking each episode for 100% length, correct title, etc etc
no thats not possible for anyone

Except when I first started making dvds and was going through the learning curve, I have ALWAYS checked every disc I get in and every disc I made before sending it out. I do not sit and watch them, but I run every disc through in its entirety at a slow fast forward speed to ensure there are no hang-ups. I also check every episode I get to confirm that it is the correct episode and has not been mistitled. I like it when the episode title is actually stated, but if not, I do whatever it takes to make a positive identification (checking guest stars, production #s, tv guides etc.) Once that has been done, it goes on the list. Never before.

I don't think there's anyone on this board who can say they have ever gotten a disc from me that didn't play, or that had the wrong/missing episode(s). You certainly haven't. Yet, I have from you several times. It took 4 attempts for you to get me one show and a couple for another.

I don't care about that and I'm not trying to rehash this as an issue, it wasn't then and it isn't now - in the end you got the shows to me and that's all that matters to me. I am just using it as an example to show that you have not shown me the same level of care and attention in our trades as I have shown you, so please do not include those of us who do take care to ensure that discs are as advertised, and there are lots of us, in your generalizations about those of you who are sloppier.

Bottom line being: if someone is going to trade/sell a set, then it is that person's responsibility to ensure that it is as they claim. The familiar line "the person I got it from said..." just does NOT cut it.

Hi,

Not meaning to interfere or start an argument. But why can't this subject be dropped and forgotten about ? or else it is going to turn into a big fight just like the previous thread started by eddieo396.