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MsCooper

07-08-2006, 02:53 AM

Many of you know my story and I am not sure how to begin. I will currently ask you to reference the other board and then ask me questions and I will answer them here. I am trying to learn how to get pictures on this thread so be patient with me. I am asking for the help of the public to bring this to an end.

The FBI has neither the resources nor man power to work this COLD case. I will post many photos of Duane from the various stages of his life. When I married him in 1978 he told me that all prior photos had been lost or destroyed, but of course some have been located with the help of relatives and friends. The prison photos that have been located were found by Doug Pasternak who was with U.S. News and World Reports and now is associated with another new media.

Mr. Pasternak was instrumental in my going public in 2000 and communicated with me for 2 yrs before I would agree that we had enough to go public. I had been communicating with the FBI and searching by phone and more phone as I did not own a computer in 1996 when I realized what he had been trying to tell me while he was in the hospital. My phone bill was huge and there were many time that I didn't know how I was going to pay it, but something always came thru.

The years of searching have not been without success and failures. These yrs have taken their toll on my private life and career, but I have been driven by the many things that no one can take from me - my memory of the years we spent together and the things he told me and the confession (which I did not understand in March of 1995). I did not know who DAN COOPER was.

I held the ticket and what appeared to be a parking stub in my hand during the yr. of 1994 - as time goes on I will tell you my story. I will just start with the boring parts so bear with me. This will not be tonight. If you want to get a glimpse of what I will be telling you, go to the other thread and read their theories and the posting I have made on that site. There were many times that I got very upset as things I would say were turned around or taken out of context.

I will try to be accurate in my accounting, but time and the different stages of the information that I acquired over 11 yrs and 9 ft of reseach can get very confusing for someone of my age. There are times that I will loose you as I go from subject to subject thinking that the listener knows all that I know. I make mistakes, but as for the accountings of the crime all I have is what I read and there is a lot of misinformation out there.

What happend to who and when it happened is not important --- What is important is that as many people as possible read this and view the multiple photos that I will be posting. All so his history as best as we can possible put it together. He was married to me for 17 yrs, but prior to our marriage he had spent 17 yrs in 6 different federal prisons --- I was not aware of his past.

There have been times when I have gone to the closet or bathroom and screamed into a pillow - asking -- WHY, WHY DID YOU TELL ME? Yet, I am driven to find the truth because I have never been able to let something just go in my life. I have never left anything undone until I have done ALL that I able to do.

Hopefully with the help of the public - others can help me fill in the blanks. Ex-con's who may remember him from prison, prior employers and co-workers, piano bar attendants and patrons - who will remember him from his singing and his voice and his choice of songs. I also pray that Tina Mucklow and Florence Shaffner, the stewardesses will view the photos.

So many of the witnesses have already died since I started my search in 1996 -- I only know of two left alive who actually saw Cooper. If you know either of these women and can get them to please help me, I will be forever grateful.

I did communicate with Tina. but I did not inflict upon her photos and she at that time chose not to help, but hopefully she will change her mind when she sees that I too have been living thru a Hell on earth. The damage that he caused to that young lady will forever be in my mind, but I know she has forgiven him --- She is a woman of God. She may well be the only person who can set me free and end my suffering.

Anyone who can help me trace his past --- Please help.

MsCooper

07-08-2006, 04:38 PM

I finally figured out how to get a picture in either the profile or the avatar, but not sure which took. I need now to get other photos into the posts themselves....The picture showing is his intake to the Canon City prison in 1962 and there is a release picture that doesn't look like the same person.
Then there are some snapshots and polaroid photos I have be able to find dated 1968, 1970, 1978 --- these again do not look like the same person. He could change his looks like a chameleon.

There is a very important photo of Duane that was taken in 1980 --- he is older, but I think the expression on his face will cause the artist who did the composite and the witnesses to remember something - something that was told to the artist by the witnesses, but that the artist could not portray in his sketch. This is a part of the description that was never made public.

MsCooper

07-08-2006, 05:26 PM

The attached picture is a paper document which was acquired by Doug Pasternak regarding Duane Lorin Weber being released from the Canon City CO prison in 1962. Note that he looks very different from the intake photo in 1960, but he is tanned and has a smile on his face --- note that the intake photo is hard and the out-take photo his appearance has taken on a boyish look.

The clothes and shoes he is being released in are Shabby to say the least, but his overall appearance leads one to believe that he had some kind of forestry training while serving in midst of that huge forest. We have never been able to obtain his work records there, but someone who was in that prison or worked there might remember him and have some knowledge of his work detail.

I have sought out information on this prison, but little is available. Establishing what training was available in that prison might be the piece of the puzzle that we need. Can you Help?

I know that you can not read the description on the file so here it is.
Height 6
Weight 190
Complexion - Medium Ruddy
Eyes Brown
Date 5-3-62
CSP 32755

dbcoopercatcher

07-08-2006, 08:01 PM

Popeye Doyle

07-08-2006, 10:03 PM

Are those both release photos or is one his inbound photo?

Are these the photos you were talking about, you know...how
he changed his appearance?

Popeye

MsCooper

07-08-2006, 11:46 PM

Are those both release photos or is one his inbound photo?

Are these the photos you were talking about, you know...how
he changed his appearance?

Popeye
Popeye - the picture in the profile and avatar are the 1960 intake photos and the two standing with street clothes on are the release photos in 1962. He is tanned and grinning (of course he is being released) and his look has changed to a softer look.

These ARE not the photos I have spoken about --- I have to go and get them --- I will be posting what I have here as I can down load them, but due to a heavy appointment schedule with Drs and testing it will probably be about the end of July. I had them put on a disk due to the hurricane and took the originals to another location. What I am posting are some good paper copies I had at the house, because the disk was of very poor quality.

MsCooper

07-08-2006, 11:50 PM

Jo, Love what you have done with the site. I see you figured out how to scan the pictures to this site. Hope my directions assisted you. Anyway, would love to see those pictures of Duane from 1971 that you have. BTW, his appearance did change while in prison, it looks like he lost a lot of weight while in the big house. The picture of him being released in 1962, was that the last day Duane spent time in prison?

good luck with the site :)

db
Again I thank you for starting this thread for me. I took both your notes and Popeye's notes and about 4 hours to do it. I am not sure I will remember how to do it when I get around to scanning some more.

As I am able to do this you will see more photos almost in the order that I saw them for the first time. NOTE: That it was several ys. after I made my claim that I first saw the composite that you are using on your posting --- all I had was a quarter size black and white print from a newspaper clipping. In the very begining all I had was the black and white "Bing Crosby" look-a-like composite.

The FBI finally sent me good copies of the composites with and without glasses in the fall of 1998. Until then I had never seen the color of the complexion that they tried to do .... in the composite.

My daughter was visiting when the composites arrived. Coming back across the street from the mail box I collapsed in my yard - I was shaking and trembling and holding the composites up to my daughter (she thought I was having a stroke). All I could do was say "Look, Look, Look" as I could get no other words out. She looked at what I was holding in my hand and said "I guess he was Cooper". Until that moment I am not sure she believed me.

Looking up the date of when I recieved the composites I found the letter that the FBI sent to me in 1998. All they had done at that time was to check Duane's fingerprint file with those found at the crime site. At that time I was unaware of Duane's association with another felon who changed his prints within the penal system and with whom Duane had a personal relationship. I was cautioned by "others" not to not talk about that relationship as it would damage my credibility.

Yrs later when I did talk to the FBI about the situation and the fingerprints - Agent Hope was adamant that it never happened and that it could not happen. Well, I made them aware of official documents that do prove a certain individual did changed his prints at Jefferson City and escaped --- they have never responded to this. It is something they do not want me to go public with, but at this time I have NOTHING to loose.

This was possible in 1967, but would not be possible with the systems in place at later dates.

Let me explain what I mean by changing the prints on the FBI file. If an inmate has access to clerical files thru his own efforts or is able to purchase the access - a fingerprint card with prints of someone who does not have a record can be substituted for the original prints. The inmate who did do this knew Duane and the two wives shared living accommodations in a nearby community. I am not sure how it was done and the above is purely speculation. The penal system has never explained how this person changed his prints and that prison had a shake down, which pointed out the corruption within the prison.

The FBI has NEVER responed to my communications regarding this - wonder WHY? When you see the prison photos does it not make you feel that they did not investigate Duane Weber - that ALL they did was compare fingerprints with those from the crime site and with other fingerprints of interest (as the agent put it)?

copywrite 2006 JoWeber/MsCooper

dbcoopercatcher

07-09-2006, 05:32 PM

MsCooper

07-10-2006, 01:01 AM

The tie and tac left behind by Cooper. The tie was of the narrow black tie that was at that time and for years later a very standard part of the uniform for bartenders, waiters, food servers, bus boys, and sales. It was during the early 70's that the ties became wider, but many sales persons such as debit (insurance collected door to door) salesmen continued to use the narrow clips because of convenience. The area in which one lived also contributed to the style of tie. The ties had become wider in the 70's, but the narrow tie continued to be used.

In Atlanta, Georgia - most of the major upscale restaurants required the narrow tie with a tie clip or tac as the uniform of choice for the food servers and others. (Perhaps so they were easy to spot and not mistaken for a patron) - The Midnight Sun which is a restuarant in Atlanta in the 70's required this of its personnel. I do not know if Duane worked there under the name of John C. Collins or Duane Lorin Weber - and I do not know in what capacity he was employed. He talked about cleaning up the kitchen and that he was the last to go home....he never said what he did. He was probably working at two jobs and using both names.

CAN YOU HELP ME FIND OUT WHAT THESE COMPANIES WERE:
Employment History from 1969 to 1971.

Tax return for 1969 --- shows he worked at the Bourbon Orleans Hotel in New Orleans, La. and the Mobil Teria Catering Co. in Kansas City, Mo, and the Annbar Associate Hotel Muehebach in Kansas, MO and also the Thirteenth and Baltimor Corp in Kansas.

Tax return for 1970 --- Cherokee Town & Country Club, Inc in Atlanta, GA and Burke Concrete Accessories, Inc Burlingame, CA. and Modulus Corp of Cleveland, OH, and one insurance company which I will not mention because I have already spoke to them, but I will say that he was working from Columbia, SC.

Tax return for 1971 --- he was part in Atlanta and part in S.C. (a licensed insurance agent). How did he get an insurance license when he was a 6 time felon with approximately 17 yrs collectively in these prisons? From one company he made $1769. and the other was for $566. --- his wife made around $1000 for the yr. DESPARATE MAN AND HIS WIFE LEFT HIM IN OCTOBER. Also note that for the yr. of 1971 the government only reported earnings of $150. ????

Something unusual about some photos that year regarding cars.?????

Also a photo from 1971 showing some other items of interest and the one showing him all decked out with dyed hair. He had salt and pepper hair, but it had been dyed. His wife of the era admitted that she dyed his hair at one time.

Tax return for 1972 --- Lots of medical expenses, New car. fire and theft reported on a home he was living in Sept. 1972. I spoke with the company he was employed by - he was a top salesman making good money.

Service connections? Notification in March 31, 1943 showing an Army serial Number. Letter from Camp Sibert, Alabama dated April 15, 1943 addressed to his mother with that Serial Number.

Letter from Navy Dept. denying his request to re-enlist dated Nov. 18, 1942. Notification dated Nov. 1 1942 - Selective service and registration card. Letter from US Naval Air Station in May 30 of 1942 indicates a Bad Conduct discharge. Letter dated March 17, 1942 from Jacksonville, FL indicates he is in good health and on 6 months probation due to misconduct. On May 30, 1942 waived transportation back to his home and intended to stay in the Jacksonville, FL. area. Some of these papers refer to Selective Training and Service and show two months in Newport, R.I. and over nine months in Jacksonville. Note the dates of service and rejection - it has been said by the family that his mother changed his birth date on the certificate to indicate that he was born in 1924 when he was actually born in 1925...I have no confirmation of this....but it might explain the letter of denial to re-enlist and the fact that he did indeed serve after that time.

These records were researched and compiled by Doug Pasternak at that time with the US New and World Reports. What we cannot understand is that he is kicked out of the Navy and then turns up in the Army. Can anyone provide answers for this. The records are accurate and there are legal documentations for each of the.

MsCooper

07-10-2006, 01:38 AM

Jo, It doesn't really matter if Duane's prints' matched with those on 305. There is no proof that any of the prints the Feds obtained from the airliner are from Cooper. Actually, the odds of one of the 67 latents being from Cooper are actually quite slim. Unless, of course, the feds know for sure they have Cooper's print. If that were the case, I think the feds would have caught Cooper a long time ago. Conclusion, Duane's prints not matching any from the airliner is inconsequential.

db
The letter from the FBI bases their opinion that he was not Cooper on the prints alone. It is obvious that they did not do a through background check when Agent Hope denied that Duane had never spent time in WA at the McNeil Island Federal Prison --- Doug Pasternak got the records and I got the information and letters from the family --- all which PROVE he was a resident in McNeil Island Federal Prison in the state of WA.

dbcoopercatcher

07-10-2006, 01:50 AM

Maybe the FBI knows for sure they do in fact have a print from Cooper. This would explain their letter to you which states that Duane's prints don't match with any from flight 305.

db

MsCooper

07-10-2006, 02:25 AM

Maybe the FBI knows for sure they do in fact have a print from Cooper. This would explain their letter to you which states that Duane's prints don't match with any from flight 305.

db
They checked the prints on the FBI central system --- those prints are from Jefferson City and if my guess is correct those prints will not match his prison prints from - McNeil Fed Prison, San Quentin, Folsom, Canon City Fed and the Ohio State Pen.

If the other person who was a known associate of his could do it then it is likely that he also did it. This would explain why he was able to sell insurance for yrs and get a DUI with a gun in his possession in 1976 and another DUI in 1980. The DUI with a gun did not result in his being sent back to prison (felons cannot have guns). I know they finger printed him in 1980 in Ft. Collins Colorado because I was with him.

dbcoopercatcher

07-10-2006, 02:40 AM

They checked the prints on the FBI central system --- those prints are from Jefferson City and if my guess is correct those prints will not match his prison prints from - McNeil Fed Prison, San Quentin, Folsom, Canon City Fed and the Ohio State Pen.

If the other person who was a known associate of his could do it then it is likely that he also did it. This would explain why he was able to sell insurance for yrs and get a DUI with a gun in his possession in 1976 and another DUI in 1980. The DUI with a gun did not result in his being sent back to prison (felons cannot have guns). I know they finger printed him in 1980 in Ft. Collins Colorado because I was with him.

Jo, what you are saying is alarming. If the FBI checked Duane's prints from either McNeil, SanQuentin, Folsom, Canon City, or Ohio State, that these prints could in fact match with Cooper's. If you are suggesting this, then why won't the FBI check out this lead and close this case. Are you telling me that you are sure the FBI has a print from Cooper? This could be huge. Why won't they at least verify that Duane's prints from the six penal institutions match and also match AIFIS?

db

MsCooper

07-10-2006, 03:02 AM

Jo, what you are saying is alarming. If the FBI checked Duane's prints from either McNeil, SanQuentin, Folsom, Canon City, or Ohio State, that these prints could in fact match with Cooper's. If you are suggesting this, then why won't the FBI check out this lead and close this case. Are you telling me that you are sure the FBI has a print from Cooper? This could be huge. Why won't they at least verify that Duane's prints from the six penal institutions match and also match AIFIS?

db
I do not know that they have a print for Cooper. What I am saying is that Duane Weber's FBI file probably does not have his prints on it - IF they established that file with his last imprisonment in Jefferon City, Missouri.

I am only saying that I do not believe that the Jefferson City prints and the prints from the other prisons are the same

MsCooper

07-10-2006, 03:27 AM

I have recieve a lot of help from people all over the world in my investigation, but the FBI has been the least helpful. We have put the information right in front of them ---- guess what, they do not even have the courtsey to reply. I believe everything that I send them goes into file 13. This is why I am doing what I am doing....at my age I am tired of fooling around with the FBI....time to put the information out to the public and leave nothing out.

Let the people who might have access to some of the things I am looking for --- come forward and contribute what they know --- regarding the background of Duane Lorin (Loren) Weber.

PS If you do not feel free to say what you would like in this forum then you can contact me directly by email
and confidentially.

MsCooper

07-11-2006, 01:44 AM

I am learning slowly but surely. This time I will try to post 3 photos. One is with that goofy navy hat on (any one know what it means). The tinted one we can only guess at his age - but you will notice the ears are not so prominent as the youthful navy photo. Obviously his head plates had not fully matured or he managed to do something with the ears over the yrs. It could be a combination of growth and corrective measures.

During his last few months he lost lots of weight and I noticed his ears for the first time and playfully called him Mouse ---I thought he was going to come at me. He very firmly told me NEVER to call him that again. I never did, but after seeing these photos for the 1st time I understand that as a young man he did have a problem.

The third photo is a prison photo, but it was not from Canon City, Co Fed Prison. We believe it may have been Folsom or SanQuentin in the late 50's.

Your guess is as good as ours...it is not a match for the profile shot as I have that one and you will see it later on as I make my case.

dbcoopercatcher

07-11-2006, 11:07 AM

:cool: :cool: You are right, msCooper, Dwayne did change his appearance. I wonder if Dwayne had his ears fixed in prison? I know McCoy had his ears fixed after he was caught for his crime. I wonder if Duane had a similar surgery, maybe to throw off investigators. Anyway, great pictures.

Still looking forward to the pictures of Duane from 1971. :happyface

keep up with the pictures, you never know who is surfing your site :confused:

db

MsCooper

07-12-2006, 12:18 AM

Folks I am just not well enough to try and scan photos and post anything tonight. The next photos will be one that was attached to his Canon City, CO file, but is not a prison photo --- I found it very interesting. It appears to be a professional photograph. Perhaps they dressed him up in prison to show him what could be ---maybe it was part of their rehabilition program.

Then I will post the composites that were sent to me by the FBI and a photo of Duane showing the very same complexion coloring. These photo have not been "doctored".

After that will come two snap shots (I don't know how much detail I am going to get when I scan them) that show him in 1968 after his release from Jefferson City, Mo and one taken approx 1970 - he appears to be in excellent shape physically, but the hair in both of these photo is graying.

Then comes the kicker -a polaroid photo taken in the fall of 1971 with dyed hair and suit with what appears to be a pearl tac (the polaroid has lots of specks on it, so you will have to judge for yourself what may or may not appear). The important thing is the hair and the fact that this was taken just before he commited the crime.

Least and not last will be a photo taken at a flea market - I will have to try to block out a person in that shot who is holding an item of interest. There are two items of interest in that photo. I have enlarged one of the items and compared it to the glasses that Cooper wore - a match. You do your own enlargements and turning of the glasses, but you will see what I have seen.

This one photo I will try to send in the best quality that the site will allow so that all of you can have a go at it.

There will be other photos taken during our marriage but I do not consider these significant for investigative purposes, but only to show you what he could do with a hair cut and a mustach --- something he never had until Himmelsbach's book came out while we were living in Virginia around 1983 or 84.

Strange that this is the only book I had ever known him to purchase. I didn't know what the book was about and asked that when he finished it to let me read it. When I asked about the book later - he said that one of the guys at the office had it....? He told me it was nothing that I would be interested in.

After I found out who Dan Cooper was one year and 2 months after he died, I started my search and around 1997 Himmelsbach sent me his book. When I read the book it was obvious WHY Duane didn't want me to read that book.

The very same reason he made sure that I never saw the America's Most Wanted in 1980 after the money was found. He KNEW I would put it together.

Good Night Folks - medical test today wore me out.

Popeye Doyle

07-12-2006, 05:44 PM

Very interesting photos Jo. He certainly changed over the years. Hard to beleive that that Navy photo is really him.

In the center photo he actually looks a little like an ex con. But...the photo on the far right you'd never guess. Maybe he was a chameleon. Can a chameleon sky dive though?

Popeye

MsCooper

07-13-2006, 01:49 AM

The composites as sent to me from the FBI in 1998 --- two yrs after I called them on May 24 1996. These composites have a date on the back Jan 3 1973 and I do not know the significance of that date. Prior to recieving these composites all that I had seen was the Bing Crosby look-a-like composite, yet just from what my husband had told me I was driven.

Keep in mind that I had NEVER seen the composites in this email nor had I ever seen any photos taken of Duane prior to 1977 when we first met each other. He told me there were not any photos of him to survive the yrs.

Look for the surprise photo and turn it around and do whatever you want but put them on the picture of Duane in 1978 --- there will be another picture for you to put them on later --- the photo with the dyed hair. I think this photo of the glasses was kept as a trophy photo along with the photo taken with the dyed hair. How I acquired these photos is a long long story. Someday maybe you will know that story too.

dbcoopercatcher

07-13-2006, 02:37 AM

JO, those photos of Duane do resemble the one sketch of Cooper, albeit a little older. However, don't forget, there are two other sketches of Cooper, the Bing Crosby photo, and the one drawn by Florence in 1988, and Duane looks nothing like those two. So, it depends which sketch is the best match. You see, the bing crosby sketch, actually resembles McCoy. So, it is a possibility. I guess it matters what the flight attendants say.

Anyway, assuming Duane may be Cooper, too bad that Duane didn't save a "twenty" from the heist, his "ransom note", or told you something that only Cooper would know. Maybe, you will think of something. Keep up with the postings. Maybe Tina or Florence will go to this site and recogize Duane.

It sure would help if you could place Duane in Portland on the 24th or find a place that trained Duane to skydive.

db

MsCooper

07-13-2006, 02:49 AM

HE HE thanks for the laugh I really needed that tonight. It has taken me 3 hrs to do this so a little giggle is deserved. I go my sleeping pill in me and it is to bed to bed. I will dream about Catchers suspect amd if he is real did the two ever know each other. If his suspest has the last name of
Ross then they are connected. Other names would be Thomas, Griffin, Ray, Fuchs, knutson, and the list goes on and on. I am just glad we can have some fun in the search and maybe one day we can all meet on the beach and have a big party to celebrate the end of Cooper. Got to have some Jack Daniels. Black Label. Maybe we will just throw his dust out of the plane all over Washington.. Now this is getting to sound like the right thing to do.
Gotta have fun to live -- we can all be serious, but know our limites.. I want a glass of wine right now --- anyone got any barefoot. OUUUHthisthe sweetes dry wine I have ever had the pleasure of meeting.

We got a lot of people coming to this bash in the next few wks and we need to be ready for this and what is going to happen.

dbcoopercatcher

07-13-2006, 03:04 AM

Awsi Dooger

07-13-2006, 04:51 AM

caretaker Al

07-13-2006, 11:44 AM

I smell the familar oder of titanium dioxide and turpintine. Adios.
Al

MsCooper

07-13-2006, 03:55 PM

Sir: I will be firm in this posting. I did communicate with you, but I did not reaffirm your position. I have stated to you by phone and mail that Duane's ex could not remember any of the pictures of apartments that you sent, but that she did admit that they had lived in the area for 2 months - a fact that she had not mentioned before because she didn't think it was important. This occurred when John Collins was on the run from the FBI.

Your accounting of the dates (they lived in the area) and her accounting of dates are different. I understand the explanation you gave for that.

In regards to the wife and the apartment complex you are strongly advised not to mention your suspected involvement and delete your reference to her in your posting. I am therefore not using your posting as a quick reply so that you can change that - go to delete and take out anything that could be considered acusitory of an innocent (until proven guilty) person.

The purpose of this site is to prove or disprove Duane was Cooper. Theories are OK, but McCoy is not the subject. I have told you repeatedly that Duane could not be in some of the places you placed him in with "your McCoy". There is another site on the board that explores the McCoy theory and if you and Catcher get together - maybe your McCoy and his McCoy are one and the Same.

If you do have the proof that you have claimed then this is the place to post it and make copies of the documentation to be posted --- that way if your story is for real --- NO one can touch you.

Please refrain from mentioning the name of the man you claim to be McCoy (the other name you and I know). Give him a fake name like subject XYZ.

Remember if you are for real and your information is for real this is your one chance to document it.

dbcoopercatcher

07-13-2006, 09:20 PM

dbcoopercatcher

07-13-2006, 09:49 PM

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It sure would help if you could place Duane in Portland on the 24th or find a place that trained Duane to skydive.

db

I asked for this on the 12th, and boom, CaretakerAl gives up the truth on the 13th. Now, for the sake of this case. CaretakerAl, somebody, anybody, please place Duane in Portland on the 24th. I know somebody out there has the answer.

db

Popeye Doyle

07-13-2006, 09:58 PM

msCooper, Holy cow!!!. Who is this Big Al. Are you safe? I guess we all know where Duane received his skydiving training, The Flying Cloud Airport. I know it well. Fortunately, BigAl stopped by to share this with us. What I don't get is that Bigal is trying to say that Duane knew McCoy or what? I couldn't follow the whole story. I didn't know the tie clasp left on the plane was a BYU clasp.

Well, before the post was edited, what I got from it is that Duane worked for the "McCoy Corporation"...I think that's what I read. I don't remember McCoy having his own comapany. Maybe he made tie clasps.

Boy it sure is interesting how these two apartment caretakers got into so much trouble that 35+ years later so many lives are on the line. That must have been one hell of a laundry day ;). And to think they affected national security at that high a level.

This is starting to sound a little like...:tv:!!

Popeye

dbcoopercatcher

07-13-2006, 10:21 PM

I sent you a private email regarding this - please read it before this becomes all out of portion. Please read your email and talk by land to Awsi.

Who is this message to. Very interesting. Why are we hiding things from the board? Talking by land? What is going on?

Is this the DBCooper board, or is it a bad attempt at "Survivor".

db

MsCooper

07-13-2006, 10:45 PM

Hi Popeye and Hello Catcher: - this is just too much for me. I didn't see all of his post before he edited it, but as soon as I read it I made sure he corrected things that just could not be said without hurting others.

I have "known" this man for several yrs. and as I have tried to explain in my posting I do not buy into what he is claiming. In order for the story he tells to have credence we would have to put McCoy in the Flying Cloud area in 1968 -- how old was McCoy at that time? We would have to put McCoy/FBI/CIA in 1968 training ex-cons. We would have to put him managing an apartment Complex in that area and in the drywall business. Catcher knows McCoy's background and I am sure he can dispel the claims of Big AL in nothing flat.

Let us all ask him.

Okay Catcher if we are going to discuss McCoy I guess we all should go visit the other site but let us address this Big Al and get past it before it blows the whole site.

Everyone is intitled to an opinion - it is a free country. You wanted this site to concentrate on Weber/Cooper, but since this man seems to think McCoy trained Cooper in 1968 in Minneapolis --- come on Oh Great McCoy Expert and give us your visions regarding Big Al and his story.

The facts just don't work in this scenario that Big Al has proposed.

MsCooper

07-13-2006, 11:01 PM

msCooper, Holy cow!!!. Who is this CaretakerAl. Are you safe? I guess we all know where Duane received his skydiving training, The Flying Cloud Airport. I know it well. Fortunately, BigAl stopped by to share this with us. What I don't get is that Bigal is trying to say that Duane knew McCoy or what? I couldn't follow the whole story. I didn't know the tie clasp left on the plane was a BYU clasp. Just when I thought I had solved the case, out pops BigAl. Timing is everything.

db

msCooper: This must be good news. You now know where Duane received his training. I wonder why CaretakerAl didn't tell you earlier about the skydiving training. I knew this board dedicated to Duane would pay off. Now, what we need is someone who can place duane in Portland on the 24th. Somehow, I think that is going to happen. Just like BigAl, somebody will come forward. Secrets are hard to keep.
Read My reply to Big Al. Give me credit for at least having it all together and not believing everything someone tells me. You are the McCoy expert --- read the posting I made and from Poyeye. You know you have the facts and now is the time to use them for a very good reason - to help us get on with the very reason that this site was created.

Thanks Catcher --- I know you can do this. I have faith you can take the dates and give us a break-down.

Remember that I don't buy this guys story and never have...I do believe that he knew Duane and his wife and that he did live near them in that complex ---the part about the Flying Cloud may or may not be true, but the McCoy thing ---well, maybe it was another McCoy.

You also have to realize that this area was a jump training meca, but the one thing I have always found strange is that this guy put Duane and his wife in that area and then the wife admits- a small detail that she forgot.

dbcoopercatcher

07-13-2006, 11:23 PM

MsCooper

07-14-2006, 12:04 AM

jo, I am not a McCoy expert. Awsi knows much more about mccoy than I. All I know is from reading books, etc. I do know, according to books, is that McCoy was born in 1942 in North Carolina, and was married, with two kids, and living in Utah at the time of his heist in 1972. I also know McCoy did two stints in Viet Nam, and was trained as a helicopter pilot. I have never heard of Mccoy living in Mn. or in the dry wall business. Maybe Awsi can fill in the blanks.

I hope that helps. so, the answer is that Mccoy was about 26 years old in 1968.

db

Who is that message # 31 to?
Think how ridiculous this sounds to me:

So we have McCoy at age 26 in the CIA/FBI/VietNam/Reserves/Guard in Minneapolis running a DryWall business and training a group of guys how to skyjump. That the chutes were all over the apt. grounds during their training sessions (something Big Al told me over yrs ago) and that the group consisted of pilots and co-pilots. During this same Duane is retrieved from jail and then returned to jail to serve his sentence as John Collins.

All of this is just too much for my little pea-mind to take in. I have not allowed myself to listen to very many stories because I refuse to let in FALSE MEMORIES.

I do believe that Duane was in that area during his run from the FBI and that he may or may not have been offered a deal, which the government decided not to extend. Why they would have trained him to skyjump goes beyond my capabilities of comprehension?

I do find it unusual that his sentence was "commuted" and he is released from Jefferson City on March 12, 1968. He had been placed in that prison in April of 1966. Beats me how he could be in that complex --- sure would like to see the news articles about the complex and the dates. Either the wife or Big AL has the dates wrong.

Considering that the wife is correct and that they were there at a different time - it is possible that Duane made friends with pilots and co-pilots and jumpers and expanded his knowledge of jumping. Weekly get-to-gethers for jumpers in that area is not unusual.

dbcoopercatcher

07-14-2006, 12:34 AM

I also find it hard to believe that Duane would be living under the alias of "Dan Cooper" and use this same alias to commit a heist. that makes zero sense. Plus, after the heist, why didn't CaretakerAl, or any of the other pilots or people in that community turn in duane to authorities and capture the reward money. Plus, we are trying to tie Mccoy into all of this. I wouldn't say it is impossible, but, BigAl needs to show us a picture of Duane with him in it, a picture of duane skydiving, etc. Otherwise, I find this story hard to believe, but, like Popeye said, a very good "movie of the week'. I think it is possible that Duane did run across this guy in the 60's, but I need proof for the rest of the story. Including, the skydiving training.

db

ps Who are you referring to in post # 31? I am not a professional investigator, but, I do feel something is going on beind the scenes. Maybe, somebody is writing a book for somebody else?

Awsi Dooger

07-14-2006, 12:37 AM

jo, I am not a McCoy expert. Awsi knows much more about mccoy than I. All I know is from reading books, etc. I do know, according to books, is that McCoy was born in 1942 in North Carolina, and was married, with two kids, and living in Utah at the time of his heist in 1972. I also know McCoy did two stints in Viet Nam, and was trained as a helicopter pilot. I have never heard of Mccoy living in Mn. or in the dry wall business. Maybe Awsi can fill in the blanks.

I hope that helps. so, the answer is that Mccoy was about 26 years old in 1968.

db

McCoy returned from his second tour of Vietnam duty in 1968. He married Karen Burns in summer 1965 then re-enlisted in August 1967 under the condition he would return to Vietnam. That required nearly a year of extensive training. Remember, McCoy was seriously injured during his first stint and spent nearly a year recuperating in North Carolina. I know he was back in Vietnam as of August 12, 1967 since there are descriptions of a search and rescue operation he took part in on that date. He received the Army Commendation Medal for Heroism in November 1967 and the Distinguished Flying Cross on April 29, 1968. But that citation was for a rescue on November 8, 1967. I have no idea what month he returned from Vietnam, only that it was in 1968. The book emphasized how much mcCoy wanted to return to Vietnam even after that second tour.

I seriously doubt he was in Minneapolis or Flying Cloud in 1968, or anywhere other than in Provo with his wife. Remember, one of the two children, the daughter Chanti, was already born at that time. She was four years old at the time of the skyjacking in April 1972 and I think she turned 5 later that year.

I would like to know if it was a BYU tie clasp. That's certainly not common. But why would the entire FBI not have given the McCoy connection far more weight if that was the case? You would think they would have been looking at BYU immediately, in November 1971 not waiting for McCoy to jump into their laps five months later.

caretaker Al

07-14-2006, 12:37 AM

MsCooper

07-14-2006, 01:04 AM

McCoy returned from his second tour of Vietnam duty in 1968. He married Karen Burns in summer 1965 then re-enlisted in August 1967 under the condition he would return to Vietnam. That required nearly a year of extensive training. Remember, McCoy was seriously injured during his first stint and spent nearly a year recuperating in North Carolina. I know he was back in Vietnam as of August 12, 1967 since there are descriptions of a search and rescue operation he took part in on that date. He received the Army Commendation Medal for Heroism in November 1967 and the Distinguished Flying Cross on April 29, 1968. But that citation was for a rescue on November 8, 1967. I have no idea what month he returned from Vietnam, only that it was in 1968. The book emphasized how much mcCoy wanted to return to Vietnam even after that second tour.

I seriously doubt he was in Minneapolis or Flying Cloud in 1968, or anywhere other than in Provo with his wife. Remember, one of the two children, the daughter Chanti, was already born at that time. She was four years old at the time of the skyjacking in April 1972 and I think she turned 5 later that year.

I would like to know if it was a BYU tie clasp. That's certainly not common. But why would the entire FBI not have given the McCoy connection far more weight if that was the case? You would think they would have been looking at BYU immediately, in November 1971 not waiting for McCoy to jump into their laps five months later.
Thank You Awsi and Catcher for the update information on McCoy. Now that we have put all of this about McCoy out front for Big Al, it is time to MOVE ON.

Big Al, it is time for you to provide PROOF...think about it ...if you feel endangered, this is freedom --- this is were you get the chance to make your case, just as I am being given that opportunity. What I don't need is undocucmented claims weighing me down.

I have multiple photos and documents waiting to be scanned --- just do not know how to get them the right size --- this computer stuff is just way over my head.

Catcher: You are right --- I also get that feeling, but then I may be holding the bait. Let's hope that one of us holds the answer to end the Cooper Saga forever.

MsCooper

07-14-2006, 01:22 AM

I sent you a private email regarding this - please read it before this becomes all out of portion. Please read your email and talk by land to Awsi.
CATCHER it was for you - I needed to know if it was OK to use the revised composite as my avatar since you are no longer using it. I wanted to use it with Weber like a post card, but I haven't been able to compose that, yet.

Have you noticed the view count on us -- it is moving fast. Makes you wonder WHO is watching and WHY.

dbcoopercatcher

07-14-2006, 01:46 AM

CATCHER it was for you - I needed to know if it was OK to use the revised composite as my avatar since you are no longer using it. I wanted to use it with Weber like a post card, but I haven't been able to compose that, yet.

Have you noticed the view count on us -- it is moving fast. Makes you wonder WHO is watching and WHY.

Yes, of course, Jo, you are welcome to use that Cooper avatar. You didn't have to ask, but, it was nice of you to do so. Good luck with the avatar.

db

caretaker Al

07-14-2006, 11:36 AM

dbcoopercatcher

07-14-2006, 10:46 PM

My horoscope today said I would outsmart the foxes and that I would recieve a suprise communication that would bring brilliant result.

It happened - first time my horoscope has been right. I got an e-mail and made a phone call and am now waiting for a phone call.

It may not be anything other than someone wanting to do another documentary -- or interview and I have turned down several. Maybe this will be one that I will be interested in doing. I just don't want my words turned around and I interview terribly --- it is too much stress on me.

I would prefer that they just let me be a voice in the background as they show pictures of Duane and Cooper and the crime scene...they also want to interview Jerry. I am not sure I want to do that - I just can't follow the guy as he has too much of a mindset...although I have never met him. I suppose I might change my mind depending on how they are going to do this or if.

There have been a lot of IF's that have not materialized. By the way I have never taken a dime for any of the interviews I have given...I have always feared that it would damage my credibility.

Jo, It is amazing how successful this site has been. Just think, in only a few days, caretakerAl shows up, and now you have a documentary or something. Soon, somebody will show up who can place Duane in Portland on the 24th. I think something big is going to happen.

BTW, My suspect is not from Atlanta. And he never served time with Duane, that I know for a fact. However, you never know if they crossed paths.

db

MsCooper

07-15-2006, 12:29 AM

dbcoopercatcher

07-15-2006, 12:34 AM

JO, I must hand it to you. duane does resemble the one sketch. The gold skin, nose, etc. However, what about the other sketches? Which of the sketches best portrays what Cooper looks like. The bing crosby (my avatar) that looks like McCoy, the one you use that resembles Duane, or the one Florence had drawn in 1988?

Any news on the interview?

db

What happened to the third picture? why did you edit it?

MsCooper

07-15-2006, 01:21 AM

This is a profession Photo found in the Canon City Colorado Pen file. We do not know if it was made in the prison or before. Perhaps it was part of a rehabilitation program. Approx yr. 1962 - note the ears. They did not appear this large the photo made in 1978 that is with the composite

Duane L Weber photo 1978 and D.B. Cooper Composite

Two photos --- the black and white was made in 1970 in Columbia S.C.
But compare it to the other photo in color made in the same time period.
The black and white looks like an old man...the color has dyed hair and again note the ears. Also important is the stance --- NOTE this very carefully as it is extremely important in identifying Cooper ---. If anyone knows where that photo with the pool was taken please let me know --- it is definitely a cold state, because the leaves are off the tree.

MsCooper

07-15-2006, 01:52 AM

This photo is dated June 1969. Note the hair, but it will dark brown to black in a future photo. When hair was dyed it became very shiny. SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE THIS PHOTO IS MADE.

He was released from jail in 1968 -- nothing in this part of his life computes.
How and why would he be in the mountains --- is he in Colorado or Washington State?

dbcoopercatcher

07-15-2006, 02:06 AM

Question. I have noticed that Duane appears to have worn glasses since the 1960's. What did Duane do for the heist? Did he have contacts? Maybe I will convince you someday that Cooper never took off his glasses. Either way, if Cooper did take off his glasses, was duane wearing contacts or what?

Love the pictures. Keep up the good work.

Where was Duane Weber, aka John Collins on 11/24/1971?

db

dbcoopercatcher

07-15-2006, 03:41 AM

Hi Jo.
It seems even dbcoopercatcher has mis-information for you. Sorry about all the people stepping up to throw these misdirections at you. Most all of the FBI records were replaced with phonies by Mac. He also purged my draft files and Duane's insurance company files. You will get absolutely nowhere persuing documents. Mac's file were totally fabricated. He was 6' even, full head of black hair and very handsome. His file was replaced by a file of a person who died: tall, skinny, balding, blonde, unatractive. Mac never went to VietNam. He was in Minneapolis assigned to Special Services when they have him in Nam.

I knew Duane as Dan Cooper, lived next door and spoke with him often. We were both caretakers of apartment complexes right together. That great smile was as recognizable as Marilyn Monroe's face! Once you saw that, you never forgot it. Duane was trained in Minneaplis at the Flying Cloud Airport for his parachute training by another person while he was under the supervision of Mac on release from Missouri. (Yes, you know who...) Duane (Dan Cooper) and his wife left Bloomington, MN, under questionable circomstances that were privately explained to me by Mac. It made the local papers. I sent you the pictures of the apartment buildings, which you acknowledged receiving. Can't help it if you can't verify it. Facts are facts. I told you he was only there a few months. You've been fed so much B.S. that I understand how difficult it must be to sort out the truth. This information was intentionally buried, so it's hard to find any remnants. It's so unbelievable that it's hard to fathom, but it is as simple as 1-2-3.

J.Edgar Hoover is no longer with us, and his methods have hopefully been eliminated from the protocall of our nation's security. I am simply amazed at why the government will not release at least the basics of the D.B. Cooper information which I believe was controlled by a group of now retired or deseased people. Like Mac's BYU pin that Duane dropped... Only insiders know the secret facts on that.

I've written nothing but the truth here, but not the whole story, for obvious reasons. There are still AT LEAST five people who can confirm everything I've said and what I have not said, but they absolutely will not. I've asked. Sorry if you can't accept it, but that doesn't make it untrue. I wish it were different, but what happened happened. They will fight you all the way, as numerous important people would certainly have to take a fall on this one, and they have deceided they just won't volunteer. Instead, they just continue to play games with you. I understand at least one sanitized story is scheduled for release after all of our demises.

The bottom line, Jo, is, yes, you are correct, but nobody who can help you will help you, because helping you will hurt others, or exposes information that is better left secured. It's that simple. Duane (Dan) was given an opportunity and took it. It was necessary, correct, successful, authorized, but not legal according to the related U.S. Supreme Court rulings. I have to let it go at that.

Al

Big Al, After the heist, why didn't you turn in duane for the substantial reward. If you didn't want duane to have to go to jail, then, right after his death in 1995 would have been an ideal time. Just think about the movie and book deals.

db

Ps Why did CaretakerAl delete two of his posts? I guess he got his point across. Anyway, I know the one post was related to the US Marshalls tracking down Duane and giving him one day to turn himself in, and then, supposedly, Duane takes off. I didn't know the US Marshall service gave wanted men the option of taking off. I wonder why CaretakerAl deleted those messages. It is almost as if CaretakerAl appeared for a purpose, and I will bet anything he disappears and never shows up again.

caretaker Al

07-15-2006, 08:05 AM

dbcoopercatcher

07-15-2006, 08:58 AM

No, the reference to the U.S. Marshall was that Duane was released in the custody of a Marshall when he left Missouri. The Marshall had to sign for him.

As to why?......... Jo knows why. My lawyers know why. The FBI knows why. And others have their reasons also. I have committed no crime, not even withholding information. I have given you all you need to know. There are too many fabricators of the 'truth' here for my taste. Mac gave me two pictures of himself before he died and authorized their use for specific purposes. I have one picture of the first trainer. Jo has my picture. Everyone knows who I am. I have absolutely no doubt that Duane was D.B.Cooper. NONE whatsoever. I KNOW this without question, but I did not document anything in photographs or signed statements, are you nuts?? Duane destroyed the ticket stub at the request of Mac. THAT was your evidence. You guys want to weave a new web, go ahead. When EVERYONE wants the truth, I'll be around. P.S. I don't like the name, "Big Al" as in Al Capone.

Is your bet a threat?
Al

Actually, CaretakerAl, the statement I bet you won't come back is in reference to you deleting your entries. Heck no, it is not a threat. It is in reference to you not returning to this forum. However, you have returned, and I would love to hear what you have to say. I have no idea who you are, not that it would matter. However, your timing is amazing. I don't doubt that you may have known Duane, but, you say he destroyed the stub at Mccoy's request. Jo states that she saw the ticket stub in 1994 while going through tax records. What is the deal?

Once and for all, are you implying that Duane Weber and Richard floyd Mccoy knew each other? A simple yes or no will suffice. IF so, why did they wait for 3 or 4 years to pull off the heists? I am not doubting your story, but, what you are saying is quite alarming. You can't Waltz into a chatroom, make these allegations, then delete entries, and not have people wonder what is up. Are you 100% sure that your mccoy is the same as Richard Floyd Mccoy?

db

Ps We are all ready for the truth. This forum is open to all. However, some of us may ask you questions, but, it is only out of curiosity. The forum is all yours. When was the first and last time you saw Duane Weber? When was the first and last time you saw richard mccoy? IF you knew Duane as "Dan Cooper", then how are you certain that Duane Weber and your "dan Cooper" are the same person. Did your "dan cooper", tell you that his name was an alias. I dont' follow.

caretaker Al

07-15-2006, 10:12 AM

dbcoopercatcher

07-15-2006, 10:23 AM

caretaker Al

07-15-2006, 10:29 AM

if this was so dangerous. db

Duane was told to clear all of the passengers and the stews before presenting the note. The fact that he did not do it correctly changed the charges to a life term offense, for kidnapping. The FBI holds this case open waiting for a fly to land on a forum. The law is the law.

You wouldn't know Mac if he bit you on the nose. How's a picture going to help you. All you've seen is an imposter's pic.

The smiling picture of Duane is unmistakable. THAT IS DAN COOPER! That smile is a total give away. He was instructed NOT TO SMILE for that reason. Jo thought it was a HS pic, but he looked just like that in 1968 too.

Al

dbcoopercatcher

07-15-2006, 10:39 AM

Duane was told to clear all of the passengers and the stews before presenting the note. The fact that he did not do it correctly changed the charges to a life term offense, for kidnapping. The FBI holds this case open waiting for a fly to land on a forum. The law is the law.

You wouldn't know Mac if he bit you on the nose. How's a picture going to help you. All you've seen is an imposter's pic.

Al

CaretakerAl, I do know what the person who was arrested for the Denver hijacking looked like. They said his name was Richard Floyd mccoy and I actually have a few pictures of him. So, basically, you are saying that your mccoy and the Mccoy who was arrested are different people? I get it.

As for Duane, if he cleared all the passengers and the stews, who was he suppose to give the note to, the captain. I don't follow. When was Duane suppose to give the note and to whom if all of the stews were cleared. Plus, how did Duane get out of the forest. Did somebody pick him up? Did he have a walkie talkie? How did the money get to Tena's bar. Why didn't Duane wear a disguise if his smile was so recognizable? or did he?

db

caretaker Al

07-15-2006, 10:48 AM

So, basically, you are saying that your mccoy and the Mccoy who was arrested are different people? I get it. db

I'm saying that the pictures you see of McCoy are not the real MaCoy who was arrested. You are starting to sound like a white-wash factory employee. End of conversation.

Al

dbcoopercatcher

07-15-2006, 10:59 AM

I'm saying that the pictures you see of McCoy are not the real MaCoy who was arrested. You are starting to sound like a white-wash factory employee. End of conversation.

Al

Okay, CaretakerAl, thanks for clearing things up. We now know that the pictures of McCoy are not the real McCoy who was arrested. I must say, that is the first time I have heard that.

I still want to know who Duane was suppose to give the note to if the passengers and stews were cleared from the plane?

db

dbcoopercatcher

07-15-2006, 11:08 AM

MsCooper

07-15-2006, 06:28 PM

Jo, I agree with you and I think there may have been two different McCoy's. Anyway, the Mccoy who was arrested in Utah in 1972, fingerprints were matched to the magazine that the hijacker was reading while aboard. Also, McCoy's handwriting from his army service and school files were compared to the note written by the hijacker, and they matched. Also, McCoy acknowledged to his friend, Van Ieperen, that he hid the money and chutes in culvert until the next day, and then picked them up. Also, the money and grenade were found in the home of Richard Floyd Mccoy during a search warrant of his house on the sunday following his heist. Also, Mccoy's wife admitted her husband was the hijacker. In addition, the con who saw McCoy without his disguise, positively identified mccoy as the hijacker. So, unless I am given more evidence, I am going to conclude that CaretakerAl's McCoy and Richard Floyd McCoy are not the same person. Unless, of course, CaretakerAl comes up with more information.

db

Let's get back on track for this thread. that is the potential that Duane Weber was DB Cooper. If CaretakerAl wants to start a thread about the Weber/mccoy possibilities, I will help him set up such a thread. However, this thread is dedicated to Jo and Duane. Thanks.

I totally agree Catcher, when this man approached me several yrs ago -- he took me on this same Merry-Go-Round. It was a waste of my time as it is yours. I investigated and the only things that I believe are that he did know Duane and that Duane was in Minneapolis. He sent me pictures, but they made no sense --- he sent me to sites that made no sense. If anything - he derailed my investigation for some time just as he is doing with this site.

Please don't start him another thread as he will just take away from the rest of us all of the hard work we have put in to finding resolutions to his saga. We are well on our way to doing that without his help. He goes one way and then another - I have never been able to verify his story, and obviously nor had the FBI.

I do really believe he met Duane and that maybe Duane learned or polished his skyjumping in that area, but that is all my pea-mind can handle.

MsCooper

07-15-2006, 07:27 PM

YES, absolutely.

The deal? You wouldn't believe me. I'd be taking a risk at 20 years in Levenworth to explain what you should be able to read into what I wrote.
I'm for real, and so are the ones who have threatened me. They are all national heroes who will never get their acalades while they are alive. Mac and Duane and a few others are gone. Sly Stalone dedicated 'Rocky V' to Mac, if that helps you any. He made the dedication on 'The Tonight Show". I have two pictures of Mac that he gave me to use for a special purpose if necessary.

Al
Al,

I have appreciated your concern regarding Duane. I do truly believe that you knew Duane and after seeing what I was going thru with the media you had the compassion to want to help me. I really appreciate this, but I am a detemined woman and not the bimbo that I lead others to believe at times (Most Likely to Get Lost in a Crowd - I'll agree with that).

Unfortunately, I had to lead you into things to find out if you were for real. You would make an excellent writer, because of your vivid imagination - I could only wish that I had that skill. There are those who do not believe what I am saying just as I don't believe ALL of what you have told me...this is something I have had to deal with since going public in 2000.

This site as Catcher said is to prove or disprove that Duane Weber was D.B. Cooper and not for the facts to become more entangled than they already are. For me to accept your theories I NEED proof --- far more than the things that you have told me that have never been consistent.

As I have told you before when I was 7 yrs. old I stole a candy bar from the cabinet at the gas station my father ran and I got caught. I denied it but then my father looked at me and said "Josephine, it take a genious to be a liar and a genious you are not".

An investigator has to be able to deal the cards and that means bluffing. That is how I had to conduct my relationship with you -- it was difficult because of my strong confictions between right and wrong, but I knew it was something I had to do. The things that you told me just did not add up and when I led you a card, you started playing the hand --- I think you know what I mean by that.

Again I appreciate your friendship, but my objective is prove what I set out to do and not take any more unnessary detours.

caretaker Al

07-15-2006, 08:10 PM

White wash. You are so easily fooled I can't imagine how you got as far as you did. Al

dbcoopercatcher

07-15-2006, 09:50 PM

MsCooper

07-16-2006, 12:24 AM

Let's try and place Duane in Portland on 11/24, or for that matter, anywhere on that date. I can't believe that not one person in this country knows where Duane Weber was that thanksgiving weekend of 1971. CaretakerAl, when was teh last time that you have seen Duane prior to the Cooper heist?

db

CaretakerAl, Please help us with information about Duane. When was the last time you physically saw Duane Weber (dan cooper) before the heist in 1971. Thanks in advance. I'm going to conclude it was in 1968, unless I am corrected. Why won't you help JO in identifying those pictures of where and when they were taken of Duane. Unless, of course, you were no longer in contact with Duane when they were taken.

I believe Al may have known Duane for a brief time in 1966, But the wife and Al put them in Minneapolis after that date. At any rate we know Duane was in prison on April 18, 1966 and release on March 23 1968 as John C. Collins.

The Jefferson City prison system has not been cooperative in the details of his stay there -- in fact they denied his residency until I faced them with the fact that I had the actual certification already, that I just wanted the work detail, which I never recieved.

The pictures were taken around 1969, the ones with him standing and with the mountains behind him. The one with the dark hair is taken around 1971 and looks a lot like one is dated 1971 (that you guys haven't seen yet!---). I am not holding out, I just can't get them all scanned - dumb old me. This is the so called Trophy photo.

This trophy photo is a polaroid. The other trophy photo was the one with glasses of which I chose only to send the glasses, but the whole picture is available to the FBI if they want to see it. Not that they care.

Al's references to Levenworth --- do you not find that unusual? I am going to propose something to you guys and let us see where it goes.

Considering Duane's expertise with a rifle and a gun (without glasses). By the way Catcher Duane was far-sited --- only needed glasses to read. The fact that he would have to have had a lot of training to make this jump and his known knowledge of sport jumping and kiting - he explained all of that during an exihibition in CO. The fact that he stated at one time when we were going thru AL. "We lived in that duplex up there and over there is were we used to jump". I made the statement "You were never in the Army". Little did I know at that time that he had been in the army, but his reply to me was "Anyone can get in the army during war time - all you need is a SS#." That puzzled me then and now. He clamed up after that statement even though I did ask a question -- I always knew when to stop asking questions.

Al's statement about Levenworth - that got me to thinking military. This is a train of thought I have had before but just have never been able to get anywhere with it. About 3 yrs ago there was a documentary on TV about a guy who was a decorated veteran, but he did not go to war (someone else took his place right after basic training and before he was being sent abroad).

I don't remember if it was the veteran who ended up telling the truth or what the circumstances were. Does anyone remember what this was all about?

This guy had a family and did not want to go to war --- the other guy could not qualify for service but wanted to be in the service so they swapped places. Remember that Duane wanted to go to war so bad that he had his birthcertificate altered and got into both the Army and Navy. He was not able to cut the basic traing because he was such a bad boy - the joker always getting into trouble, like taking the jeep of a superior officer.

After having served in prison in McNeil, SanQuentin and Folsom he didn't have a family ---is it possible that he could have done something like this? An ex-con without a family and a future. He was a master at deception so I think it is possible.

When I contacted Fort Benning some very unusual things happened, but that is a story by itself. I do know his military records are "Access Denied" and required a special code to access - they got rid of me telling me they would send the information by mail. All I got was the same papers I had taken to them....????? I was told I was not listed as a beneficiary. I remember looking at the guy and told him "I was 3 yrs. old at that time". When the "Access Denied" came up this officer looked confused and had to excuse himself to go talk to his commanding officer. That is when they told me to fill out the forms. I certainly had the feeling that information was being withheld.

Did someone out there recognized Duane from the photos that appeared in 2000? Maybe the person he went to war for has a conscience? Is someone afraid that I will stumble onto the truth and someone's life get ruined besides the turmoil this has caused my own life.

What is your feed-back guys? I have thrown the idea out there - now explore it.

dbcoopercatcher

07-16-2006, 12:52 AM

MsCooper

07-16-2006, 02:21 AM

Jo, this CaretakerAl thing is losing the focus of the Cooper case. Remember, we are here to close out the case. I think there are parts of Duane's life that will forever be a mystery, but, I seriously doubt that a 44 year old man took the place of another and served in Viet Nam. If that is where this is going.

I believe, like you do, that CaretakerAl may have run across Duane in 1968 or 1966. However, I don't think CaretakerAl has any evidence to tie Duane to the Cooper case. So, I think we are spinning our wheels. Maybe CaretakerAl can place Duane in a certain place, but I think the story ends there (caretakeral, prove me wrong).

JO, let's move on and forget about this nonsense. I am losing interest in this CaretakerAl story. Let's move the timeline up to the early 70's, especially 1971, when the crime occurred.

db

OR, let's move to say 1972, when you can place Duane selling insurance in Atlanta or North Carolina and having a bunch of medical problems. I am just tired of this nonsense about McCoy teaching cons to skydive while the real Mccoy was in Nam. This is "movie of the week" stuff. We are in the middle of the Viet Nam war, and we are suppose to believe that our government is training cons how to skydive? Especially, a con who is 44 years old and has a record dating back to 1945. It didn't happen. Period. Maybe a first time offender, who is in a diversion program, and is 18 or 19, but not an old man in his 40's. Didn't happen.
Actually I was thinking more around age 38, but I agree with you. It has just been an annoying hair in the wrong place for a long time and I decided to deal with it by pulling on it.

1970 Duane and his lady are in Columbia S.C. and Atlanta, Georgia. They have a bad argument and she runs her car into the front of the Admiral Benbow in Oct/Nov of 1971. Then according to her she left him and went to her sisters'. It is November of 1971 and he is alone. Actually I believe that she just up and disappeared and he was deperately trying to find her.

Several months prior to that he had been diagnosed with kidney problems. Now in 1970 or early 1971 a kidney shut down was serious. Duane's mother had died in the 50's on the old kidney machine --- Duane wanted nothing to do with that. It is late 1971 - he is desperate and alone - he has been given a death sentence - 5 yrs at the most. (fortunately for him they had not learned the different types of kidney problems and this was right when things were starting to happen in that field - his problem would turn out to be one of the slow diseases that goes in stages, but a that time in 1971 it was a death sentence).

I believe he thought she was in Vancouver and flew out there to find she wasn't there - knowing her personality she probably told him she was there when she was somewhere else. He had a friend in WA. according to the story she told me and my research shows he had lived there from February of 1945 and released in 1946 - it was conditional which probably meant that he had to work and live in the area for a period of time. Obviously he had been living there when he commited the crime in the State of WA. (McNeil Island Federal Penitentiary in Steilacoom, Wa.)

When we were there in 1979 he took me to Washougal and up a bunch of back roads into LaCames and told me about a private airport there, a tower,a camp site where there used to be 3 cabins and there was only the remanents of one in 1979, pointed out a road that went to a tavern (which he said we would not go to) and many more places. He did not need a map. He thought he had missed his turn when we were coming off a road and I went to get the Atlas and he said he didn't need it. He never touched a map the whole wk we spent in WA. The Atlas was there because I was following the area since I had never been there. He made a mention that the highway was coming along (the route around Vancouver). That he didn't know they had finished that far. He took me to a field with a fence and gate and rocks and points out power/pipe lines and tells me that before the growth that you could walk for miles. He takes me down a clay or dirt road into the wood where there was supposed to be a tower and he couldn't find it (then he decided that it had to be the road before that one) we didn't have time or if he took the time I might read too much into it especially since it was prior to that he had mentioned "That's were Cooper walked out the woods" I said how would you know that and his answer was "maybe I was the one on the ground". I didn't know anything about it and never gave what he said much thought other than he was kidding me.

He points out several items of interest and an encampment and tells me about a big fence and some guys who escaped from there "Bonneville". He takes me across the Dam of the Gods and tell me all about it and how beautiful was. He made a point that we take a couple of extra days on that trip and that he wanted to spend the night in Duells. We did and he gets up real early that morning and I get worried because he hasn't got back and I am ready to go.

The trip back to Vancouver after our stay in Seattle (he knew every place and everything there was to do in Seattle). Talked about having worked on a boat there (I just remembered that). Mentions that his brother used to have something there (apartments - offices - I don't remember what he said).
Tells me about a little area off of I-5 and about a cementary there. Note that the fictional book that I found at the library that - it had the name of that little community written in Duane's handwriting (P.S. My big theft - I refused to turn the book back in - I kept checking it out and out- then I told them it had been taken from the seat of my car--- I felt so quilty that when they sent me a bill for $5. that I sent them $25.) I was not about to let that book out of my hands. Most of that book was fictional but it was the only piece of literature in two counties on Cooper. Also note that I went to the college library and every piece or magazine they had in referrence to Cooper had been stolen. He had those magazine, because I saw them in his travel trailer in 1990 when he stayed there, until he could get himself straight after he got arrested for trying to get a drivers license using false ID which is a felony in the state of FL. LONG STORY.

There is something he kept all of those yrs --- I believe it is something that will place him in WA in 1971. This is a medallion on a 4inch chain. The inscription is Gordon 18 x 3 + Infinity Nan with the date 8-30-70. I never understood the meaning of this item nor why he kept it when we melted all of the rest of the gold down. Now I think it may have been taken during a break-in at a cabin after the crime or something he stole while he was there in 1971. Perhaps it means nothing but worth mentioning. 18 x 3 equals 54 --just thinking out loud.

He has family living in Ca just 30 miles from where one of the notes the FBI recieved was mailed from. According to the "wife" he called her in Jan asking her to come back. She goes back and they go to FLA and spend LOTS of money. He wanted to buy a seagoing boat and sail away --- he had the cash money to do it (didn't she ever think about how he got that money)?

She decides that she is going back to Kansas and he meets someone else and gets a divorce from the "wife". He ships her and her kids and her belongings to CA --- that took money.

He remarries (the details of that relationship I won't touch with a 10ft pole). The marriage is more off than on and ends very bitterly.

So in early 1972 - he has lots of money? He had not made it (working) since they didn't even know where he was until February or March. He tell his boss he fell out of a tree trimming limbs at the trailer he owned????? Independent insurance agents don't answer to time outs and some are part time. I know the man who was his boss and if he told him he had family problems or money problems and needed to work at another job during the holidays it would not have been questioned.

This is ALL anyone knows about Duane from Nov of 1971 till February of 1972.

Copyrite 2006 by Jo Weber These are my personal memoirs.

dbcoopercatcher

07-16-2006, 07:58 AM

MsCooper

07-16-2006, 03:35 PM

Jo, what you are saying is that maybe Duane pulled off this big heist in order to save his marriage, kind of like, McCoy. Possible, I guess. Duane must have spent some time in Portland or Seattle before the event to gain intelligence, scout the area, etc. It is too bad that a hotel clerk, a rooming house attendant, bellhop, etc. can't place duane in town around Thanksgiving 1971. If Duane is Cooper, it was wise of him to pull it off so far from home, since authorities would focus on locals. WE still need the final piece of the puzzle. With Duane's meticullous planning of this crime, it is hard to believe he was caught so many times and sent to prison. I guess he didn't plan the other crimes as well and more likely Duane committed the crimes close to home. A major mistake. That is why criminals learn more each time they commit a crime, and even more so when they get caught and do time. At least the smart ones, that is.
db

There was a witness who came forward after seeing Duane's pictures in the papers and magazines. He also called the FBI. This man was a night Clerk at a hotel just out of the airport gates.

He told me about his call to the FBI when the composite and description hit the news. They came out and when he went to retrive the registration card they told him not to touch it and they put it in a plastic bag for fingerprints.

Now in those days the registration consisted of you signing your name on a card with everyone else and your tag number --- address and such. He didn't know what name was the one that was used.

I have repeatedly asked the FBI about this registration and Agent Hope said that it would have been checked out at that time and then destroyed. Evidence Destroyed????

I have told them that I would know Duane's handwriting regardless of what name he signed and that I had samples of his handwriting from 1943 till before his death as it changes with the times and ages and circumstances.

The FBI HAS NEVER ACKNOWLEDGED THIS. I have made phone calls and sent emails regarding this subject over and over.

The night clerks ex-wife verified his story. They both are nice people. He remarried and they all stayed friends.

The night clerk told me that the hotel had a covered walk-way to a restuarant with a piano bar. This is the kind of place that Duane always sought out. If there was a piano bar in the area that is were he would be. I wanted to find out if anyone sang in that bar that night and for them to tell me what song or songs he may have sang. He did not need a microphone and his voice was better than Tom Jones or Englebert Humperdink (my opinion). That was the kind of sound his voice had. He would use a woman as a target and sing to her and touch her hand. The lady would have remembered this. Some piano bars do not allow anyone to sing along.

I have tried to find piano bar players in the area that might have worked there, but I only found one and he didn't work that place.

This night clerk freaked when he saw the picture of Duane in the papers or the magazine and went to a lot of trouble trying to find me thru Margie Boule a writer for a local newpaper (the name of the paper escapes me at this point).

Doug Pasternak (formerly of the US News and World REports) also researched the history of this hotel and it had changed hands several time and I do believe it has since been destroyed.

Again - you see that we put the information right in front of the FBI and they do NOTHING. They have regarded me as just an annoyance and if they ignore me that I will go away. Only in death will I go away.

This posting contains some proprietary information from MsCooper/JoWeber in regards to the investigation of my deceased spouse Duane Weber and his death-bed confession.

MsCooper

07-16-2006, 10:31 PM

When I am speaking of this crime - I always think Seattle so I apologize for any confusion. The night clerk worked at the Rodeway or Airway just outside of the Portland Airport gates. I have been trying to reach him but his number has changed and he has moved. I do have a contact I hope will reach him . It has been sometime since I spoke to him but I am hoping she will know how to reach him and let him know about this site and that I would like to talk to him again.... P.S. Chuck - I still have the same telephone number. If you post here give me a clue so I will know it is you.

dbcoopercatcher

07-17-2006, 12:51 PM

MsCooper

07-17-2006, 10:11 PM

JO, you seem to know just about everyone associated with this case. I still think we can solve this case. I would love for one of the two flight attendants to join our board. What about Alice Hancock. Everyone seems to forget about her. She got a good look at Cooper. Why hasn't she been mentioned. Personally, I only put stock in three witnesses. They are the three flight attendants. The reason why, because nobody else on the plane cared about Cooper. You see, they had no reason to try and determine his age, weight, height, because to them, he was just another passenger. Only the three flight attendants were aware of the hijacking. NOne of the passengers. I put zero faith in the ticket agent or the boarding agent. Cooper was just another passenger in their minds.

db

I agree with your take on the attendants and of course Captain Scott is deceased. They are the only ones who knew this man was a skyjacker and had reason to try to remember what he looked like.

No one had any reason to be observing the man who called himsellf Cooper. Mitchell who was sitting across from Cooper --was a young man and student who also didn't know what was going on -- but he did observe- that he had something on under his pants like thermal underwear or such. I can imagine that if he was sitting across from me and we are just passengers on a plane - that is what I would have observed ---we all have a tendancy to look down when we are seated, because we are reading or studying.

Today they listen to music and watch videos -- or tinker with their laptop.

It has taken 10 yrs and 2 months to find all of these people and/or for them to find me. I found the night clerk (rather he found me) --- thank God I didn't loose him. I don't know if he has access to a computer to come to the site. He did send me an email today - with his updated information.

I am going to send the sites to him tonight before I go to bed, so if he can and wants to join us he will do so. For his benefit I think he should be sure to use a different ID, but I will know who we are talking to - I will have him email me the name he will use on the site. I never divulge names of anyone who is not already named in the newspapers and FBI information.

I also wish desperately for one or all of the attendants to come forward and end this for me and for themselves. Tina has refused to help (of course, since I did not see her in person I have no idea who called me on the phone) - someone identifying herself as Tina returned a call that I made. Because of the demeanor I have often wondered if it truely was Tina. I told several people that I didn't think her reactions were that of Nun. Still I did not impose myself or photos on this person --I sent her a nice letter asking that she reconsider and a small donation.

New Brandon

07-18-2006, 05:02 PM

MsCooper

07-19-2006, 12:37 AM

That picture with him holding the glasses is eerie when put next to the composite.

The facts are that he said he was him, he looks like him, could very well have been in the area at the time and there is nothing really saying that Dan Cooper and Duane Weber are not one in the same. I'd say I'm 85% convinced.

There is no such devotion to another case on these boards. The level of it is just amazing, in my view. Between Jo, Catcher and others. I know it's pretty common to really get into some of these, though. It takes a bit of obsession to solve a case, especially when the FBI is not doing it any favours.
Thank You, I needed a little encouragement tonight. It has been a difficult day for us. I haven't had the time or desire to scan the rest of the photos that I have been promising, but I will do so soon. Today I waited for a phone call that did not come from the FBI as I need to talk to them regarding rumors of A photo being shown to the attendants when I had been told that is was NOT done and that they HAD NO intentions of doing so because the witnesses no longer wanted to be involved.

MsCooper

07-19-2006, 02:27 AM

A young man I will call Tim did a lot of leg work for me in WA since I was unable to go and do it myself -- My thanks to you Tim and Congratulation on your recent marriage.

Tim did a lot of traveling for me and took some pictures that I requested. I owe him a great deal of gratitude --- he had been talking about taking some of the information to the FBI, but I don't know if he ever did so.

It is difficult to direct someone else to a place that you saw many yrs ago. I am the only one who can remember were Duane and I went. It has been 27 yrs since that Sentimental Journey and when I went out there in 2001 things had change. In 2001 I could not afford a vehicle to run around in nor the money to stay beyond the one day alotted after the film crew left.

Thur the efforts of some local women I had a place to stay and someone with a car to take me to some of the places I had express an interest in.

Some of the places I did find and they had changed - a 3 yrs old tree was now 25 yrs old. One gentleman pointed that out to me and then I knew I had the right place. But oh how I yearn to go back and just have the time and energy and a car and the energy to try to redo the trip.
:confused:
I keep trying to hold on to HOPE, but with each passing year, I have less and less hope that I will ever have my answers. I can only replay over and over that trip and the things that he said over the yrs and how much he really told me without placing himself back in a prison. Only in his last days did he really try to put it all together for me - but, I wasn't listening.:(

MsCooper

07-19-2006, 02:55 AM

After we had headed North toward Seattle on I-5 Duane told me about a woman he knew - who had lived in the St. Helen's area. It did not sound like an affair from his youth. I don't remember too much of what he said, because the last thing I wanted to hear was about other women. Seems like he mentioned some kind of shop --- I would take that he was talking about the 50's and 60's before the wife of '62. But who knows.

On the return trip from Washington we made yet another side trip to the Columbia in Vancouver At this point in the trip is when he left me in the car and went down to the river by himself. After he had come back up from the river I got out of the car...he pointed to an area hidden by trees and told me that to our left was the airport and then pointing to the right he spoke of having known a man who lived there (this would have been the West Portland Area).

On our way to Vancouver and as we were approaching Washougal he told me a story about a guy who stole a boat from an inlet on the Columbia just below Washougal in the middle of the night and took it to Portland and then just let it go out on its own. He didn't know where the boat ended up at. He acted like this was funny and now I realize that the guy was Duane. He didn't say what kind of boat it was.

I have a couple of ladies who did some research for me who did find something about a boat missing around the time that Cooper would have been on the run. I am still looking for a copy of that article so I could find out what the police did --- did they fingerprint the boat? Did they just think it was teenagers?

Perhaps these questions will forever go unanswered.:cool:

Copyrite 2006 by JoWeber These are my personal memoirs.

MsCooper

07-19-2006, 03:14 AM

This is a copy of an email that I sent to the FBI today, because of a rumor in another forum that the attendants had viewed photos of Duane. Knowing that they do not have all the photos that I have and the fact the FBI as stated in prior conversation that they did not interview witnesses regarding Duane L. Weber and the reason why.

Copy of the email sent on July 16th 2006 to the FBI.

This is Jo Weber the widow of Duane L. Weber who I claim to be D.B. Cooper.

I was told by your agent that the witnesses were not show photos of Duane and they had asked not to be bothered and that the FBI was abiding by that. Yet someone now claims that they were show pictures of Duane....Note the FBI only had old photos of Duane - prison files, etc.

If they had been shown the photos why would the FBI BE SO CRUEL AS TO LET ME SPENT OVER 10 yrs of my life searching? I have emailed you all and called you and I get nothing. Surely you have more compassion and decency than this.

I know you all have more urgent things to do, but to let one desparate woman use up her life because you couldn't make one simple phone call. That is uncalled for.

What about the DNA items that have not been returned to me after 3 yrs. I think the FBI ownes me an explanation.

dbcoopercatcher

07-19-2006, 11:13 AM

I was told by your agent that the witnesses were not show photos of Duane and they had asked not to be bothered and that the FBI was abiding by that. Yet someone now claims that they were show pictures of Duane....Note the FBI only had old photos of Duane - prison files, etc.

If they had been shown the photos why would the FBI BE SO CRUEL AS TO LET ME SPENT OVER 10 yrs of my life searching? I have emailed you all and called you and I get nothing. Surely you have more compassion and decency than this.

I know you all have more urgent things to do, but to let one desparate woman use up her life because you couldn't make one simple phone call. That is uncalled for.

What about the DNA items that have not been returned to me after 3 yrs. I think the FBI ownes me an explanation.

JO, HOw were you able to get the FBI to tell you that the flight attendants did not want to be bothered anymore? If so, why is the FBI investigating this case and collecting DNA, if the witnesses will not cooperate anymore? Anyway, when you are speaking about DNA, are you talking about getting back Duane's slippers, razor. etc? Once you give evidence to a law enforcement agency, you usually don't get it back. It is held as evidence, unless, of course, they told you otherwise.

db

ps Where is CaretakerAl?

MsCooper

07-19-2006, 05:20 PM

I had asked about the return of the DNA items at the time they picked them up and the two agents who came told me that it would probably be about 6 months. Maybe they only told me that to appease me.

As for AL - sorry, I just don't need his in put right now without the proof he claims to have squirreled away in a safe place.

MsCooper

07-19-2006, 05:24 PM

Regarding the status on the attendants - why the agent told me that I don't know anymore than I know why he told me they had lost the cigarett butts and then in a later discussion when I asked him in so many words what DNA did they have to compare with if they had lost the cigarett butts. His reply was "I can't talk about that".

MsCooper

07-20-2006, 02:00 AM

The new avatar shows Duane in 1980 Approximately as compared to the Composite that was revised.

Now below you will see some more pictures -

The Black and White is a picture taken somewhere around 1977 or 1978.

The picture with the mustach and white hair was taken in Virginia Beach around 1987 -- this was how he appeared after NORJAX was put on the racks in 1984 --- Why did he suddenly grow facial hair in 1984 or 85.

dbcoopercatcher

07-20-2006, 03:51 AM

dbcoopercatcher

07-20-2006, 07:33 AM

As for AL - sorry, I just don't need his in put right now without the proof he claims to have squirreled away in a safe place.

Jo, did you have anything to do with CaretakerAl's disappearance from this board? Your comment can almost be construed to mean that you " didn't want or need his input" and as such, told him, or did something to put him on the back burner. Either that, or CaretakerAl is very obedient. :confused:

db

dbcoopercatcher

07-20-2006, 01:47 PM

MsCooper

07-20-2006, 06:03 PM

Jo, did you have anything to do with CaretakerAl's disappearance from this board? Your comment can almost be construed to mean that you " didn't want or need his input" and as such, told him, or did something to put him on the back burner. Either that, or CaretakerAl is very obedient. :confused:

db
The only things I said are exactly what I put on this forum. I did not call him or email him. Perhaps it was the forces from the past he spoke of -- maybe they are REAL.

MsCooper

07-20-2006, 06:17 PM

You know, I find CaretakerAl's appearance, and even more so his disappearance fascinating. Out of nowhere, CaretakerAl finds this website, prints out all of the discussion about the McCoy case that Awsi wrote about in 2003 (how did CaretakerAl know this existed) , and then three hours later comes up with a story that the "grassy knoll conspiracy theorists would find fascinating, (call Oliver Stone, maybe he will make another fiction movie about an actual event). Then, on top of this, tries to tie McCoy, Cooper and Duane Weber together. If that wasn't enough, he then claims McCoy trained Weber to skydive at the Flying Cloud. Then, CaretakerAl, claims his life is in jeopardy , along with risking a stint at Leavenworth for doing what? Making up a story. You cant' get in trouble and go to Leavenworth for that, as long as you don't go on Oprah and call your book a "Memoir", when it isn't. CaretakerAl, whoever you are, you can fool some of the people, some of the time, but, you can't fool all the people, all the time. Next time you make up a story, don't spend three hours reading what Awsi wrote about Mccoy to freshen up on the McCoy angle of things. Why? Because, if you live an event, you don't need to read about it. You were there, and your memory is infinite, especially when it comes to lifetime events. Anyone who has to read about their story in a forum, or book, or newspaper, simply wasn't there. I think we know who we are speaking about.

db

Ps I sent correspondence today that, with the help of a key participant, could close this case. So, if anyone has to come clean with their stories, now is the time.
Catcher: Just leave Al alone. It is my fault he came to this site - ask Awsi and he will tell you outside of the forum. It was a goof on my part, but maybe it will help others to see that this is JUST ONE of the stories that I have had to contend with.

As for his going back and reading what someone else wrote -- I can prove that he had these things going on yrs ago -- I have it in black and white, so don't aggravate this man. Remember that part of what he has told can be verified. He has backed off and please just leave it be for now.

If you want me to go to the grassy knoll - well, I am not going to do it, but maybe I could - but it would be better to explore Alpha 88 going back to the yr 1962. Perhaps the MLK asassination? Since all I want to do is prove or disprove that Duane L Weber was Cooper I try not to go to places that might take me off track ---I have been there and what I have found, just is not for this forum nor would they serve my purpose as I have outlined it.

MsCooper

07-21-2006, 12:08 AM

JO, love the new avatar. Too bad there isn't room to have a picture of Duane and the three sketches of Cooper. The bing crosby, um, and the one you use. This would give the viewers a more diverse selection. anyway, didn't Norjak come out in 1986? You keep saying 1984, I thought it was 1986. Maybe, I am wrong.

db
Another book that was basically fiction came out around that time, but I cannot pin down the dates - I am not even sure when we moved to Virginia. All of the old tax records are in a box and they will pin down exactly the dates if it is ever necessary. The other book is dated 1985 and I am sure there might have been some publicity around that time - enough to make him grow a mustach and let his hair get longer.

MsCooper

07-21-2006, 02:09 AM

Since I have had a lot on my plate today, I will not be adding to this forum tonight. I still have several photos I have to get together and scan. The most important of which is the Trophy photo.

New Brandon

07-21-2006, 03:27 AM

Thank You, I needed a little encouragement tonight. It has been a difficult day for us. I haven't had the time or desire to scan the rest of the photos that I have been promising, but I will do so soon. Today I waited for a phone call that did not come from the FBI as I need to talk to them regarding rumors of A photo being shown to the attendants when I had been told that is was NOT done and that they HAD NO intentions of doing so because the witnesses no longer wanted to be involved.

Glad I could help in some small way.

Witnesses can decide not to be involved? Especially because they are proven witnesses? Well, I guess they can elect not to talk, but I really think the FBI wants this case to die...

And with all the new crimes, and much more serious ones such as murder, I can understand that... But if that's the case, can't they publicly just state that? It might not be popular, but that's at least understandable.

There's a lot mystique from this case... I mean, they made a movie after 10 years, and now it's been 35 years. Part of me is like "it'd be really great to find out who this really was..." and the other part thinks that would ruin a great unsolved mystery. Like Jack the Ripper on a lesser scale.

So, I guess, the more the FBI wants this case to die, the more it will actually stay alive, whereas if they successfully solved it, it would lose a great amount of aura.

One of the biggest reasons to believe it was Duane for me is how he alluded to burying money and losing it, which is why not $1 of it has ever turned up (besides what the kid found). There are other possible scenarios, but to me, that sounds like its among the most likely.

If Duane hadn't made that confession (or conversely, had elaborated more), I wonder where this case would be right now.

dbcoopercatcher

07-21-2006, 05:29 AM

Glad I could help in some small way.

Witnesses can decide not to be involved? Especially because they are proven witnesses? Well, I guess they can elect not to talk, but I really think the FBI wants this case to die...

And with all the new crimes, and much more serious ones such as murder, I can understand that... But if that's the case, can't they publicly just state that? It might not be popular, but that's at least understandable.

There's a lot mystique from this case... I mean, they made a movie after 10 years, and now it's been 35 years. Part of me is like "it'd be really great to find out who this really was..." and the other part thinks that would ruin a great unsolved mystery. Like Jack the Ripper on a lesser scale.

So, I guess, the more the FBI wants this case to die, the more it will actually stay alive, whereas if they successfully solved it, it would lose a great amount of aura.

One of the biggest reasons to believe it was Duane for me is how he alluded to burying money and losing it, which is why not $1 of it has ever turned up (besides what the kid found). There are other possible scenarios, but to me, that sounds like its among the most likely.

If Duane hadn't made that confession (or conversely, had elaborated more), I wonder where this case would be right now.

Actually, there are conflicting stories about the money and Duane Weber. For example, Duane states he buried 173,000 of it, and can't find it. Brian Ingram found 6,000, so where is the other 20,000. However, Doug Pasternak, the author of the article in US News states that Duane bought a house in 1972, a new car, etc. , so if that is true, then he must have spent some of the loot, right. Otherwise, Pasternak's story doesn't hold up.

As for the FBI, I don't think they have been trying to bury this story. The truth is, they just didn't have a clue as to the identity of Cooper. Don't forget, if the FBI wanted to close out this case, all they would have to do is to say we have evidence tieing McCoy to this case, and the case would be solved. Bingo. Done deal. As for the attendants, I have heard from the board that the witnesses are frustrated with the lack of progress and the fact that the FBI kept on sending out more and more pictures for the witnesses to view. This is not the way to solve this crime. You build a case against someone, then you put your suspect in a lineup with 5 other unrelated people and hope your witness can pick out Cooper. So, you can't blame the flight attendants. Plus, don't forget, many people in the public thought Cooper was a folk hero. Try telling that to Tina or Florence or Alice or Capt Scott or Rataczak or the passengers when they have nightmares or become afraid of being hijacked every single time they fly. don't you think this case had an everlasting affect on those involved. If it were me, everytime I was working the plane, I would be eyeing people wondering who the next clown named Cooper was going to be.

db

dbcoopercatcher

07-21-2006, 03:08 PM

check out disc. channel, mc coy story disc. friday, july 22,

check it out

db

MsCooper

07-21-2006, 03:34 PM

To Catcher:

You take too many things out of context. In 1972 Duane had remarried. He was working a responsible job and it did not take much money in those days to make a down payment on a car. Note that the new wife very likely had a house and credit history making it possible for them to buy a new home and car on credit.

Yes, he would have had to have some monies, but not an astronomical amount. Any unusual cash purchases would have caused too much interest, if indeed he did have any of the money left that he manage to carry with him before burying the rest.

I have experimented and you can get a sizable amount of money in your pants pockets, jacket pockets and overcoat pocket - along with a small brown bag. The work clothes that he might have changed into also could have held even more. So much for this money thing you keep hacking away at.

Let the money he may or may not have been able to carry away go by the way side right now. You need to concentrate on other things right now and that is your suspect. I have not recieved anything so far that proves you have a REAL suspect or if you are just a forum junkie who likes to toot his horn. Prove me wrong!

Don't get mad - I want answers- real answers and to end this ordeal that I have subjected myself to. Perhaps you might like to live in turmoil --- I don't and want my life to be normal and live my last days in peace. I just want the answers to my search and for there to be an ending.

dbcoopercatcher

07-21-2006, 03:42 PM

MsCooper

07-21-2006, 08:17 PM

Jo, don't get so defensive. I actually have a tape of Doug Pasternak, explaining that Duane had a fatal kidney disease in 1971, was broke, and in 1972 bought a house and car. In that isn't true, then why was Pasternak giving interviews to the contrary. BTW, my response was to New Brandon, who was wondering why the money hasn't shown up in circulation. According to your author, Pasternak, some of the money was defintely spent by Duane. I have a copy of his interview which aired on tv. Are you now saying that some of what Pasternak said is not true?

db
Again, rather than show me some proof that you have an actual suspect you are trying to pick apart an innocent statement. He bought a house and he bought a car -- the statement doesn't mean he paid for them in cash. They were financed the same as other people do. I have already explained that the new wife had a home and credit that was probably used.

Now you are showing your true self and what I am seeing and hearing does not show a man dedicated to finding the truth about his suspect. You are spending your time and my time rehashing things that I have already given you the answer to before.

No one can pick your suspect apart because we have absolutely nothing on him other than what you say. No background that we can check-out and no pictures and no indications that the FBI has ever responded or that you have contacted them.

Popeye Doyle

07-21-2006, 08:41 PM

No one can pick your suspect apart because we have absolutely nothing on him other than what you say.

What do you mean "we"? Actually Jo, not to butt in here, but I'll have to agree that his suspect isn't "public domain". I think that's understandable with all the hard work he's done over the past 6 or so years.

When the FBI has suspects but can't yet PROVE they perp'd the crime, do they open their investigation to the public? I think you know the answer to that. We've been through that before.

As Coop-Catch has stated he's in the midst of a "Chess Match". It's a very delicate situation, and no one knows that more than Coop.

Popeye

MsCooper

07-21-2006, 08:41 PM

Catcher are you ready to work with me for your own cause or continue to work against the very thing that could help you. Note the private email I sent to you. (Perhaps my offer should be made public).

I have offered to help you regarding the production that I have been contacted about and asked you to provide me with something that I can take to the "store". If you are unable to or unwilling to do this - I cannot help you.

Is your story real or are you just a forum junkie? It is time to make a responsible move and get the help that might come your way if you are willing to co-operate.

Without some evidence that I can present, I cannot tell the producer anymore about you. The ball is in your court now! I refuse to waste another persons time.

If you are for real - then it is to your benefit to co-operate.

MsCooper

07-21-2006, 11:11 PM

What do you mean "we"? Actually Jo, not to butt in here, but I'll have to agree that his suspect isn't "public domain". I think that's understandable with all the hard work he's done over the past 6 or so years.

When the FBI has suspects but can't yet PROVE they perp'd the crime, do they open their investigation to the public? I think you know the answer to that. We've been through that before.

As Coop-Catch has stated he's in the midst of a "Chess Match". It's a very delicate situation, and no one knows that more than Coop.

Popeye

Popeye I sent Catcher a private email with a very honest and sincere offer. He wants me to tell him who the producer is and I have to know what I am dealing with. I have promised and sworn not to make his subject public, but I need to know if his subject is real or conjured up, before telling the producer about him. This is what I am upset about.

He wants everything from me, but will do nothing to help himself in return. Ask him what I offered -- besides to be honest and to do the right thing? I want this over with more than anyone on this planet - I want my life back and to do that I have to find out the truth or learn to walk away. Walking away has not been an option --- because of what I do know.

I told Catcher about something I do not talk about in forums or elsewhere - something that would only mean something to someone else who has a suspect. He has NOTHING to loose and everything to gain.

dbcoopercatcher

07-22-2006, 06:45 AM

Why is everyone so worried about my suspect? could it be that I do in fact have Cooper? To everyone, I wrote Jo a long response to these questions on the other DB Cooper thread.

Anyway, like Popeye states, my suspect is not public domain. Jo, you didn't discuss Duane as a suspect with me before you went public, so, why is it that you think I have to share a name or picture with you. Plus, why would I share my suspect's name with the competition. Isn't that like "Pepsi" coming out with a new taste, and telling "Coke", hey we have a new product, would you like to taste it? and by the way, here are the ingredients. I don't think that happens in the real world, and I can assure you it won't happen here.'

However, JO, you may want to go over some of the names you mentioned to me in one of your posts a week ago. I won't give up the name, but, one of the names was somewhat familar. That is all I am going to share right now.

db

dbcoopercatcher

07-22-2006, 07:01 AM

No one can pick your suspect apart because we have absolutely nothing on him other than what you say. [U]No background that we can check-out and no pictures and no indications that the FBI has ever responded or that you have contacted them.

Hmm, "No one can pick your suspect apart because we have absolutely nothing on him other than what you say". So, Jo, that is your intention, to pick apart my suspect. I here, I thought it was to put me in touch with a producer and find the truth. MY instincts were dead on, again. I used these same instincts to catch Cooper. I should have gone into Psychology, instead of becoming a "Sanitation Engineer".

db

MsCooper

07-22-2006, 02:03 PM

Hmm, "No one can pick your suspect apart because we have absolutely nothing on him other than what you say". So, Jo, that is your intention, to pick apart my suspect. I here, I thought it was to put me in touch with a producer and find the truth. MY instincts were dead on, again. I used these same instincts to catch Cooper. I should have gone into Psychology, instead of becoming a "Sanitation Engineer".

db
As usual your evasive answers. The email was confidential and now I don't care if the world knows it. I did not and have not intented to make you SUBJECT PUBLIC --- , I sent you a confidential email explaining how and why I would help you, but you continue with all of this nonsense. I have never demanded you make your subject public -- !!!

I have asked you for some information and you know what that information is and I told you something that I have not revealed to the PUBLIC. I explained why I needed to know somethings --- and that if they happen to compute with something I have that we would talk further.
I have more character than to pick your SUBJECT apart in a PUBLIC DOMAIN when he has never been formally accused and in so far as I know Investigated by the FBI. YOU KNOW what I asked for and WHY.

So please stop this now --- This is to let the forum know Catcher knows what I am looking for and why!

My reference to the "pick your suspect apart" was referencing what this forum and the other forum has done to me. I have defended myself and have to repeat myself because certain people do not comprehend what they read or jump to conclusions.

YOU know that what I asked for was to be on a private basis - because of the need to know. SO why do you continue to harasse me about it.

dbcoopercatcher

07-22-2006, 02:35 PM

Hmm I thought I set up the Cooper/Duane Weber thread. Let's stop worrying about my suspect and focus on Duane. After all, that is the main focus of this thread. Let's find somebody who can put Duane in Portland on the 24th and/or explain where Duane received his skydiving training. We had one person who could help, but, he vanished. Maybe, somebody will appear with a story to back up CaretakerAl's story.

db

MsCooper

07-22-2006, 04:11 PM

dbcoopercatcher

07-22-2006, 04:20 PM

Popeye:

I don't think I can handle anymore of this chaos and controversary. I tried to do the right thing and to help him.

Okay, Jo, I am all ears. On this open forum. Explain to me and everyone else how you propose to help me. Plus, to keep my reputation as an honest and sincere Coopercatcher, I want everything displayed out in the open on this forum. So, let's here your ideas. We have loyal fans such as New Brandon, Awsi, and Popeye, and I don't think it is right to leave them out of this loop. So, let's do it in this open forum.

How is it that you propose to help me?

db

MsCooper

07-22-2006, 04:49 PM

Okay, Jo, I am all ears. On this open forum. Explain to me and everyone else how you propose to help me. Plus, to keep my reputation as an honest and sincere Coopercatcher, I want everything displayed out in the open on this forum. So, let's here your ideas. We have loyal fans such as New Brandon, Awsi, and Popeye, and I don't think it is right to leave them out of this loop. So, let's do it in this open forum.

How is it that you propose to help me?

db
Catcher: You know that my interest in your suspect is genuine. I am going to copy just part of one of the emails I sent to you and delete those parts that are very private.

Excerps from the email:

"I know that you have bounced all over with your story in the forum - at one time you seemed convinced McCoy was Cooper. I could care less who Cooper is or was - I just want to know who my husband was. If that means helping you to prove your suspect was Cooper then so be it...that is how I live my life - at least I can get up and look at the wrinkles in my face and I can live with what I see in the mirror."

"I have to account to God and myself for my actions. Therefore it means doing what is right even if it hurts me physically and emotionally and/or financially (which it did many times in the real estate business). I am so glad to be retired from that -- there were just too many hornets out there for me in that RAT race. "

"THE EMAIL (from the producer). I have left off his name until we have conversed further on this in regards to you and your suspect. Obviously he is interested, but I don't want to throw a pile of manure into the pail unless I think it is necessary to solve the case. Convince me that your suspect is not manure but the best chocolate I have ever tasted. Now you see the old country girl in me. I was raised slopping hog, calling hogs, chasing rabbits and lighting bug. I think that say a lot for my character. "

Okay Catcher -- I will now select some of the things from the other email I sent. I am trying not to divulge the very private and confidential parts of the email. These best explain my motives for helping you.

It was easier to do this rather than try to write it all again. I just hope that the reader can follow what I am saying and distinguish the mail part from the posting.

MsCooper

07-22-2006, 04:59 PM

Catcher: You know that my interest in your suspect is genuine. I am going to copy just part of one of the emails I sent to you and delete those parts that are very private.

Excerps from the email:

"I know that you have bounced all over with your story in the forum - at one time you seemed convinced McCoy was Cooper. I could care less who Cooper is or was - I just want to know who my husband was. If that means helping you to prove your suspect was Cooper then so be it...that is how I live my life - at least I can get up and look at the wrinkles in my face and I can live with what I see in the mirror."

"I have to account to God and myself for my actions. Therefore it means doing what is right even if it hurts me physically and emotionally and/or financially (which it did many times in the real estate business). I am so glad to be retired from that -- there were just too many hornets out there for me in that RAT race. "

"THE EMAIL (from the producer). I have left off his name until we have conversed further on this in regards to you and your suspect. Obviously he is interested, but I don't want to throw a pile of manure into the pail unless I think it is necessary to solve the case. Convince me that your suspect is not manure but the best chocolate I have ever tasted. Now you see the old country girl in me. I was raised slopping hog, calling hogs, chasing rabbits and lighting bug. I think that say a lot for my character. "

Okay Catcher -- I will now select some of the things from the other email I sent. I am trying not to divulge the very private and confidential parts of the email. These best explain my motives for helping you.

It was easier to do this rather than try to write it all again. I just hope that the reader can follow what I am saying and distinguish the mail part from the posting.
Excerp from the email I sent to the producer - I have left out the private parts that were for you ears and eyes only and to the producer

Quotes from the email to producer:

"It has been 11 yrs since Duane died and 10 yrs of research -- I have remarried and I am tired. Also, my current spouse is in end-stage lung cancer so my energy is limited. I would like to help with this in anyway that I can. I will do what-ever it takes to bring an end to this saga and stop the stories. There are others out there saying that so and so is Cooper --- more lives to be ruined before this ends. It should be ended now and not after other families have to contend with what I have."

"There is a man out there right now saying that he knows who Cooper is and that he is alive, but what does he intend to do ---wait until the guy dies and is not there to defend himself --- who then has to defend the man --- his family. Everything needs an ending and the FBI should make it a priority to end this now...they have the resources (forensics), but they aren't using them."

"They have NEVER communicated to me the results of the DNA that they retrieved from me over 3 yrs ago nor have they returned the items they said would be returned in 6 months --- DID they LOOSE them? I do have more items --- note that they said the chute cords were cut with a sharp knife --- if they have those cords then they can compare the cuts with knives that I have....but, at this point they won't lay a hand on those knives --- I would never see them again and they are highly collectible. The means to conduct these test did not exist in 1972, but they exist today."

Catcher:

There is another paragraph in the email I need to make public so I will have to go after it. It was part of my argument with you about why we needed to communicate with some privacy - I will have to re-read it and try to extract it without damaging the context.

MsCooper

07-23-2006, 02:01 AM

Many of you know that there are 2 forums and that the information is bouncing back and forth. This is an update regarding my rebuttals to Catcher:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote from Catchers post

"You even admit that Duane was living in Atlanta from 1968-1978, so how was he able to scout jumpsites, learn how to skydive, learn the distance from McChord to Sea-tac, recognize Tacoma from the air, and most importantly, learn airport jargon such as flaps, gear, degrees of flaps, aftstairs, how long it takes to refuel a 727, the stall speed of a 727, knowledge a 727 aftstairs would be a safe jump platform, interphone, knowing it was safe to take off with aftstairs lowered"

My answers for the last time:

Over and over and over I have explained all of this - how he had the knowledge. He was well versed on the Boeings and many other aircraft, but was not a pilot. He knew about the stairwell, because during the war this stairwell was used to drop supplies and many jumpers were trained to make that jump. I even have a picture somewhere in my 10 yrs of research of them doing that.

The fueling and the interphone - I have told you before that he had worked for a company who did the cleaning for the planes (it was something that he told me and the reason I was giving details about his work record) -- this would be acquired knowledge, just hanging around the airport. I was trying to find out more about his past and past employers that I know nothing of under any alias he may have used.

Over and over I have mentioned that some of the prisons he resided in participated in fire jumper programs and ranger training. Such as Folsom and San Quentin and Canon City. It is believe that McNeil in WA also had some type of fire fighting training but the archivist have not been able to find any details on that and what Duane's work detail was.

I have explained over and over how he knew so much and about WA and OR and that he did not even need a map and that he did spend a lot of time there in the 40's and we know he was back there in the 60's. Since little is know about a lot of Duane's past there are a lot of holes - How much of that time was spent in WA.?

I said that Duane was in Atlanta, GA and Columbia, S.C. from 1968 till 1977. Think about the skydiving in Columbia. He traveled a LOT. Columbus, GA...he was there a lot during that time. He disappeared for days and no one knew were he was. He also traveled to many places during that time.

We know he was very familiar with skydiving terms and his knowledge of what they did in CO at a exhibition in the late 70's - as he explained what the men were doing and how they did it.

As we were going up I-5 in 1979 he showed me where McChord was and also told me about a prison in the area - Why?

His nightmare in 1978 shortly after we were married --- he is talking in his sleep and I try to rouse him but he is deep into this --- I start asking him questions trying to find out about something else. But he is so deep into where he is...He says "I left my prints on the aftstairs " Then he lets out this blood curdling scream "I'm going to die." When we is awake he is wet with sweat and goes to get some medication - he is shaking and I ask him what that dream was all about --- I specifically asked what an aft stair was --- he told me that it was the stairs in the jail...I did not know he had been to prison and did not know until 1996 --1 yr and 2 months after he died what "Aft Stairs" were.

I also did not know who Dan Cooper was until that night - one yr and 2 months after he had told me he was Dan Cooper. I had known about D.B. Cooper but very little.

Doug Pasternak's statements are taken out of context and Catcher knows this. We did try to find the attendants. Doug is a professional writer and reporter -- to undermine his character was not a professional thing to do --- you have just so many lines and space you can use and you do the best you can with them....until you walk in his shoes do not judge him in his capacity as a writer and investigative reporter.

MsCooper

07-24-2006, 01:12 AM

The below posting was my rebuttal to a posting by Catcher in the other forum and since it does contain vital information regarding the past of one Duane L. Weber I felt it should also be posted on this forum:

The Posting was addressed to dbcoopercatcher:

Regarding your insulting post of 07/23/2006 at 7:56 AM

Quote from Catcher "Those flight attendants did not chose to be victims of this crime."

Answer from Jo Weber --- Nor did I. I did not know I was marrying an ex-con and to find the answers I have chosen to pursue more about his past steming from the deathbed confession and subsequent investigations regarding his past. I chose to do so - You do the crime you do the time. This is how I was raised.

To compare my search and discovery to the ordeal that the attendants suffered....they do not compare

They had no choice, but because of my convictions I chose to search for the truth - I never expected to it to alter my life in this way were I have to fight for every word I say - to have someone like you to take out of context and read into it what you want to. You and others like you are the very reason the attendants informed the FBI that they did not want to be bothered (years before Duane became a suspect) by the investigation. This request has been honored by the FBI.

Quote from Catcher "Stop trying to make Duane a hijacker and a folk hero, when he was a forger, and an insurance agent"

Answer from Jo Weber: He made the confession and he had many other convictions other than "forger" - remember he was in FEDERAL prisons.An insurance agent - yes he became a very good one, only by hiding from his past which meant staying one step ahead of the law. It is a felony to obtain an insurance sales license if you are a convicted FELON or for most crimes.

MsCooper

07-24-2006, 02:03 AM

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This posting contains a lot of vital information and should be posed in this forum for information purposes:

Rebuttal to posting from Catcher in other forum
Quote from your post 07-23-2006 time 10:23

Catcher states:

"First of all, I thought you didn't know about Duane's past of being in jail until after he died. Maybe I was wrong. "

My answer:
You are confusing the terms jail and prison I led a very sheltered life and knew nothing about the terminology or about jails or about prisons. It was after the "nightmare" the he told me about jail (not prison). I thought he meant a local jail and for a minor offense (said he got involved with a couple of guy and they did something they shouldn't have done - broke into a house in the woods. My conception was he spent a couple of month in a local jail and that somehow the records where esponged

My knowledge of his crimal history

The nightmare was the first.

When the van was sold the new owner returned some papers he had found although I had searched that van thorougly because Duane told me there was something in the van -- at the same time he made his confession.These papers were in an old wallet and consisted of many items.

A drivers license in the name of John C. Collins
A commutation of sentence from the Jefferson City Federal Prison
A honorable discharge for John C. Collins
A SS card for John C Collins, Jr.
A National Rifle Association card for John C. Collins
Two drivers licenses for Duane L. Weber from Georgia
Some clippings
A picture of a place in CA with the name of a man written on it.

Seeing the contents of the wallet was indeed my first confirmation of a shady past...I did not even investigate at that time. I didn't want to face it, but later I did and head on.

There were things that happened in the 5 yrs prior to his death that I had tried to find out about, but I just let them go. These were things that indicated that he was hiding something and that story has been told.

Incidents surrounding the Bay of Pigs I will not give you a history lesson tonight, but I assure you that he was in Miami. It may not have been on the night of - I will have dig out the actual accounting given by the individual who placed him there. This was a family friend - so that answers some of your horrid accusations about his family.

Catcher states that the Bay of Pigs was in 1961 and the conflict of Duane being in Canon City until the early part of 1962:

My Answer:

The Canon City prison --- that has always been a big question in my mind and not one official will answer my questions. Not the FBI, not the prison ---but you will find it interesting to know that the John C. Collins Identification was use hence forth until 1968.

I now expect an apology from you and to Doug Pasternak.

MsCooper

07-24-2006, 04:41 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Popeye Doyle

Jo,

Duane was not the only person in the world to have claimed on his deathbed that he is DB. In fact, my 3rd cousin looks more like both sketches than Duane ever would or could. This is why it is important to have EVIDENCE to back any claim.

Unfortunately WRT Duane there is no evidence whatsoever that he was Cooper. The problem as I see it is that Duane was not an "armed robber" nor an "takeover artist" but an forgerer and imposter. It is just looking as though he may have pulled his biggest heist in those respects after death, and with a little help.

Do you now understand why there is so much resistance to your claim?? When I hear about things like a "night clerk" from a hotel who can place him
in Portland etc 30+ years after the fact I've just got to wonder. Your story seems a continuing evolution WRT the current state of evidence.

As someone in a position to evaluate evidence, I find it troubling that you don't seem to understand that neither the Bureau, nor the DOJ comment in any way on cases that are still "Open". This means that if Duane has been exonerated, you would hear "nothing".

Is there anything about this you DON'T understand?

Popeye

MY REPLY

I know what I saw and I know what he told me - There are witnesses to parts of what he said. There is not another suspect to have given a deathbed confess the FBI has not been able to rule out relatively quickly. Remember he told me he was "Dan Cooper". That name meant NOTHING to me or anyone else unless you knew a lot about the incident which I did not.

The agent DID tell me about the cigarrette butts and other things that I have mentioned. Someday if I have to prove that I will do so, but not in a PUBLIC forum ------.

The night clerk is still alive and he contacted me through Margie Boule from the Oregonian. As soon as he saw a picture of Duane he set out to find me and he did but at a later date. I don't have the date of his 1st contact infront of me, but he has been checked out and was a creditable witness

I have repeatedly asked the FBI about that registration and they have never answered me --- It was after the night clerk came forward that they asked for the DNA.

As for my story EVOLVING - it has only evolved as new evidence came forward and more information about Duane's background.

What do you not understand about the above. I had not seen your posting until Catcher replied to it or it would have been answered promptly.

MsCooper

07-25-2006, 01:25 AM

Attention to all readers

If you have information on D.B. Cooper aka Duane Lorin Weber aka John C. Collins and other names he may have used, please contact me. Pictures are available and more will be made available -- I need the help of the PUBLIC to bring this saga to an end.

All of the things that Catcher stated - Himmelsbach was instrumental in getting the FBI to check out Duane, but not in the manner Catcher stated. I was contacted by many production companies and magazines (most of which I turned down) and I have never taken a penny for any appearance that I have made.

Catcher accused me of bugging the flight attendant (if you can call leaving one message and sending her a nice letter thanking her for returning my call as bugging someone). I have more respect and consideration for others than that. Note that I did not include photo's as she did not want to be involved or be reminded of that time in her life.

If I had been into this investigation about Cooper for the money - I could have accepted a movie option and book/screenplay years ago. I chose to continue to investigate on my own and with my own money (there were times that I didn't know if I could pay my bills, but God always provided a way). I also was being patient with the FBI after 9/11 as they have had their hands full ever since. Hopefully, they will now be able to follow-up on the leads that have been provide to them - such as the hotel clerk who came forward several yrs ago.

I will continue to check out any and all information provided to me regarding Duane L. Weber and his past to the best of my abilities and limited resources. Note that I have had people try to sell me information - there is alway a con out there looking for a mark.

Thank You Jo Weber
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This posting contains some proprietary information from MsCooper/Jo Weber in regards to the investigation of my deceased spouse Duane Weber and his death-bed confession.

MsCooper

07-26-2006, 03:46 AM

A question posed to me by forum member called dbcoopercatcher:

"To my dying day, I still don't understand why you didn't just call the FBI in Seattle, tell them about your suspicions about your ex-husband being Dan Cooper and leave it at that." --- " Why in the world was it necessary to make your case public? "

(The above information is not part of the memoir unless dbcoopercatcher agrees to it being a part of this story and the decision is his and I will edit it out and change it if he so wishes. There are many ways of working this question into the story, but since he is the one who actually got me thinking about it and since I didn't have a clue about where to start this sordid story, if just sounded like the right place. I had been trying to put things down for my kids and I have wrote about many of the things that I have experience, but this one question got me to really thinking about "Why" and was not one of the subjects I had explored in my memoirs to my children)

This young man wanted an answer and perhaps that is a question others would like answered.

I did contact the FBI on May 24, 1996 and was treated like a joke, until I got in touch with the retired agent Ralph Himmelsbach and sent him some information and photos -- this was several months after I had talked to the FBI. At the urging this retired agent the FBI did decide to check out Duane.
Three month later and over two years after Duane's death, an agent would contact me and arrange for someone to come to my home to gather information.

When this agent arrived at my home it was clear he had only planned to spend a very short time -- he looked at all of the investigating that I had done and was in awe. He knew he had to at least give me the courtesy of some time with him. He was a very bright agent and I like him very much. Over 4 hours later he is leaving my home. He did not expect to see what the enormous amount of items and research that I had acquired and the order that I had it in. I know that agent thought he had Cooper.

All of this information was sent to another agent who was the case agent in Seattle, Wa. After a reasonable amount of time (without going to my logs), the case agent and I spoke - I was anxious to get this over. I don't remember without going to the logs exactly what was said, but in the conversation he told me that my husband had never been in McNeil Island Federal Prison and other information he was giving me was contrary to what I had acquired....this upset me. Some of my information was from family and contained certain documents and letters written and signed by my husband to his mother from one of the prisons and the family log showed his residence as McNeil for a period of time.

Needless to say I am not one to keep still if someone is trying to snow me. I confronted this agent with that information, but he was insistent. I got off the phone that day very confused. After several phone calls I managed to verify even more of my information and refused to let this agent get away with his so called investigation. Two years later in a TV interview he woud take credit for finding certain information - he couldn't even admit his mistake and that he really didn't take me seriously and had not done his research until after I went public in July of 2000.

If this agent had done his job, I may never have been inspired to seek the truth. When he disputed information I knew to be true - I was on a crusade.
With the FBI not disclosing some of the history I knew and could prove, I started to suspect that things were not just right.

After several conversations with the agent in WA. and his NOT doing his job I decided that the only way to find the truth was to go public. I sent out 8 or 9 letters to various individuals that I thought could help me. That is how I met Doug Pasternak formerly of the U.S. News and World Reports - I talked to him for 2 yrs before I decided we had enough to go public. If it had not been for his tenacity in pursuing the investigation of Duane's background much of what we have been able to prove just would not have happened.

Doug had the investigative tools that were not available to me as Jane Q Public. I owe him big time. It is my opinion that only after the evidence that Doug acquired and that I acquire was presented to the public that the FBI actually did any constructive investigations into the past of Duane Weber.

I recieved a call late 2002 asking for Duane's DNA, but I told them that due to the holidays and a busy schedule that it would take some time for me to put it together. I had waited almost 6 years on them they would just have to wait awhile for me this time.

In March of 2003 on the 28th day they did retrieve the DNA items --I was told that I could expect them to be returned to me, but it is now July 2006 and I have never seen the items. Fortunately, I did not give them everything I had and kept the most important things that might have DNA.

The agent had not done his job and I knew that. To deny information to a wife of 17 years holding papers in her hand that disputed what he was saying
just did not cut it with this old country girl. So that is how I ended up going public.

It has been a roller coaster ride these past 10 yrs filled with chaos, tears, fear, anger, confusion and any other emotion you can think of. It has been 11 years and 4 months since Duane died - and now the time has come to tell his story - and my story so that when I am gone the real story will have been told and not one that is contrived of false hoods or that would be done in a manner that I might find distastefully.

This message contains confidential and proprietary information of the sender.
Copywrite 2006 by Jo Weber. These are my personal memoirs:

MsCooper

07-26-2006, 04:50 AM

Below is my reply to Catcher in the forum regarding my reason for going public. It is shorter and more to the point.

Why I had to go Public after I had already contacted the FBI.Remember that the FBI agent had not even done enough research to verify what I already knew about McNeil Federal Prison in WA. I was supposed to just sit there and let it go and let him collect a pay check my taxes paid for and he wasn't doing his job.

I wanted the truth and they were NOT doing anything to find that truth - pro or con.

I could have let it just die after I called them - but, I was not getting the answers because they had not conducted an investigation - which was evident from my conversations with the agent in charge. I would ask him something and the answer indicated he had not researched anything - like when I ask him about McNeil -- he blurted out that Duane was never at McNeil when I had documents that proved otherwise. That is one example of why I pursued it. It meant that he was not taking me seriously and I wanted answers to what I had learn about Duane on my own without the use of a computer and the other mysterious happenings that have been discussed before.

MsCooper

07-27-2006, 01:12 AM

I spoke with a witness who came forward after I went public in 2000. It was not that publication in the U.S. News and World Reports that caught his eye, but a publication made later by The Oregonian in Vancouver, WA. I was able to touch base with him this week and he will be providing his information in this forum. He will probably only make one or two posts as he does not have the conveniece of an on-line service.

He will I am sure he will be able to tell you approximately when he contacted me and he went thru a great deal of effort to do so. This man lived in the WA and OR area and worked near the airport - he no longer resides there. I am going to let him tell his story - his way - what he saw and what he heard. He has been out of the country for a couple of yrs.and I only recently made a contact with him again.

He contacted the FBI in 1971 about a man he had seen, but the FBI let this one slip between the cracks or they followed-up and got a dead-end. He would contact them again after the picture of Duane appeared in the Oregonian - but, we do not know if the FBI ever investigated this lead. The witness recieved no reply from them and I have also asked the FBI about a certain item that they had retrieve from the place where this man worked --- I have asked them more than once. The only reply I have received from them was this "It would have been investigate at that time (referring to 1971) and the (item) destroyed" Now that was a ridiculous thing for the FBI to say to me ---.

What that statement said to me was - the case is too old and we have too many things on our plate to dig thru the garbage (case files) looking for a certain (item). It is my opinion that they have neither the man power nor financial sources to investigate OLD cases like this.

I pose this question to the FBI. If you can't do your job for some reason then why not allow a private entity to get involved. This private entity would need access to all of the Cooper Files - but they prefer to let it go unsolved. What good does that serve? The answers are sitting in those 40 plus feet of files - a call or lead that they didn't follow-up on or that did not seem to go anywhere is the one that let Cooper get away.

At another time I will tell you about yet another lead that they did not follow-up on and this person also contacted me after the Oregonian published their piece.

That story is for another posting at a later date.

This posting contains some confidential and proprietary information of the sender: Copyrite 2006 by Jo Weber. These are my personal memoirs.

MsCooper

07-27-2006, 04:51 PM

Later today I will TRY to post some of what was going on in my mind after I realized what Duane had been trying to tell me in the hospital - only it had fell on deaf ears. The Doctor had told me that he would die in 5 days, but he would live for 11 days ----

During his 3 weeks at the hosptial he spoke with an army chaplain - a very intense and long discussion. This chaplain would tell me none of what they spoke about --- I did hear part of the discussion before I went out to the hall and just sunk down on the floor against the wall. What I had heard - to me meant that my husband was lieing -- I couldn't understand why he was talking about a military past that I did not know existed. (He talked about the Army, not the Navy) - he spoke of an air-bourn unit and Belgium) - this is all I really heard.

Years later I would find this chaplain and he but he did not remember any of the conversation as he had counciled many people on their deathbed over the years. He did not work for the hospital, but was there because a member of the family was also very ill and terminal.

The reason for the delay in my finding the chaplain was that he was over-seas.

Copyrite 2006 by Jo Weber. These are my personal memoirs.

MR. MOTTO

07-27-2006, 05:20 PM

LIVE AND LEARN
SINCERELY MR. MOTTO

MsCooper

07-27-2006, 10:13 PM

LIVE AND LEARN
SINCERELY MR. MOTTO

All may have been invain if there is any truth to the last statement by dbcoopercatcher on the other forum. I don't see how there could be, but then many stranger things have been known to happen.

First the FBI has to declare that his suspect is Cooper or he would face terrible slander charges if the suspect could prove he was not Cooper.

Of course, I think Catcher has been in contact with me using many different names. I have copied all corresponce to me under the other names that may have been another one of Catchers other identifications. He has been called many thing, but I am not sure he has ever been called a shape former.

As for me I don't know if I should continue to tell my story - it is true, but I really need to know more about this other "suspect". Hopefully, I would be informed of any new developements should they be happening, but then maybe not. I don't know if the FBI has a heart or not --- to contact me and let me know that Duane is not Cooper. Probably not. They would rather give an old lady a heart attack.

MsCooper

07-27-2006, 11:50 PM

I have taken some time to think about it and have decided that I am going forward. My story is true and I have not told one untruth in my search for the truth. This evening has been a trying time, I have been on the phone to California see if anyone there is aware of what may be transpiring if anything at all. No one has a clue other than maybe Richard Tosaw is still trying to prove his case which so far has been a sinking boat.

I offered to talk to Tosaw years ago but he would have none of it. When I did speak to him on a couple of occassions he was unreceptive to me or my search. For those of you who do not know - Richard Tosaw has published a book about his search which included searching the Columbia and other parts of WA. I don't remember the date of his book.

If anyone has any questions, I will be glad to try to answer them.

MsCooper

07-28-2006, 05:18 AM

When I saw the huge jump in the number of views this morning I was absolutely shocked. I don't understand that. As per the other site claiming victoriously that "dbcoopercatcher's suspect" was going to be revealed in about a month, I just do not expect this to happen.:)

I regret now not having spent some time posting the rest of the photos. I will do my best to have them up by Sunday Evening. One I have to get out of the Albums - it is the one I wanted the stewardess to see. He is much older in the snapshot, but the expression --- if they ever saw it --- they never forgot it. It was his mad look. Believe me he could really get mad.

You will have those photos by Sunday Evening.

Klamath

07-28-2006, 12:11 PM

MsCooper

07-28-2006, 03:47 PM

Mmmm just happened on this site yesterday. Go ahead and post photos if you like but Weber is a fraud. Many have known this for quite some time.

I believe that Duane either:

1. Planned this with his wife before death

or

2. Conned his wife with this story so she would run with it.

I've seen the discovery shows and read this site last night and I'm really beginning to believe the former.

K
I am not a fraud as you put it - my story has been consistent for over 10 yrs and it would take a genius to perpetrate a lie for that long. I am not a genius.

Mr. Weber did not plan anything or tell me anything until 11 days before he died and the told me he was "Dan Cooper" I did not have a clue who that was until 1yr and 2 months later.

Besure you read everything and digest what was going on -- one man would take my words and twist and turn them to where they did not resemble what I was trying to say or did say. Remember that I am not a professional writer and that I am a relative simple person - I do not always have the words to describe or tell what I am trying to say.

Take for instance when I talked about an emory cloth that Duane always carried. I did not insinuate that he changed his prints with this - anyone knows that is not possible. An emory cloth can be use in the pocket to keep the fingerprints to where they do not leave a complete impression - I do believe in today's time that the testing equipment is so refined that this is no longer true.

I maintained that his file was changed in Jefferson City Prison to reflect the prints of someone without a criminal record. This was done by another person in that same prison - the wives of the 2 inmates lived together for a period of time.

This other inmate escaped and was later caught - but the fact that his prints had been changed created some problems. This fact is mentioned in recorded and official documents regarding this other criminal.

New Brandon

07-28-2006, 03:49 PM

Beardsley_Mantooth

07-28-2006, 05:14 PM

Nah I dont believe Jo Webber's a fraud, I think shes a women looking for the truth about her late husband. I've posted a little in these DB Cooper threads but mostly I just read, and I think a very good case can be made for Duane Webber. Weather or not in the end he actually turns out to be Cooper remains to be seen, but after reading all her posts I don't think that Jo Webber is out to defraud anybody or make money from the case. :) If that was the case posting on the UM board would be a pretty big waste of time and energy, she just wants to find the truth as I'm sure anybody would in a similar situation.

MsCooper

07-29-2006, 12:21 AM

MsCooper

07-29-2006, 12:46 AM

What do you mean "we"? Actually Jo, not to butt in here, but I'll have to agree that his suspect isn't "public domain". I think that's understandable with all the hard work he's done over the past 6 or so years.

When the FBI has suspects but can't yet PROVE they perp'd the crime, do they open their investigation to the public? I think you know the answer to that. We've been through that before.

As Coop-Catch has stated he's in the midst of a "Chess Match". It's a very delicate situation, and no one knows that more than Coop.

Popeye

Ok Popeye:

Explain this to me --- why would dbcoopercatcher claim that he is doing a documentary next month and that his "suspect" will be exposed? If as you say the the FBI cannot prove a "suspect" is valid then why would Catcher expose him. I can promise you the FBI will not have results in a month or two months -- they have made so many mistakes over the yrs that they cannot afford to have another "screw-up" on their list of mis-deeds.

I would think that Catcher would not want to place himself in the direct fire of a lawsuit from his suspect should the man be found "not" to be the culprit Catcher thinks he is.

If he is relying on the identification by one stewardess who has already identificied several suspects as being Cooper - that is something they will look at very seriously. Of course - that does not keep me from wanting her to see all of the photos that I have. Hopefully in the near future I will be able to get them posted on this site.

I play both sides of the tape - I want his "suspect" to be Cooper and I also believe that Duane was Cooper --- Frankly, I don't think any of us will ever know the truth! The quest for the truth is what keeps me going regardless of the obstacles that are place in front of me.

Beardsley_Mantooth

07-29-2006, 03:26 AM

Beardsley: Thank You so much. You are very right about that I believe what I am doing is right and that I believe that my husband was Cooper. I really only want the truth and if the truth hurts it just has to hurt. I am not posting to this site for people to debate if he was Cooper or if someone else was Cooper. I am simply looking for information and trying to expose my story as much as possible - with pictures.

I need to find out more about Duane's past and who his friends were and if they ever saw him with a parachute or have any knowledge of his history as I have laid out in a prior post. I have put where he was and about the time frame he was at that place. I will re-enter that post later on so no one has to go look for it.

If anyone has any means to help me find out about his past in more detail than the sketchy resume I have posted - please contact me in this forum. I can be reached by private email...simply go to MsCooper and click on that and it will ask you if you would like to send a private email. This way anyone offering information does not have to post it in the forum.

Oh you're very welcome :) I think you're doing a fine job putting the info out there for us to read I hope it makes its way to somebody who can give you the answers you're looking for.

If he wasnt Cooper then the sheer volume of coincidence is pretty astounding to say the least. Furthermore if this was mearly a case of trying to fool the public then this would have all fallen apart years ago but the fact remains that the evidence is consistant and holds up pretty well under scrutiny which really does speak volumes about his identity.

Anyway thats just my two cents from what I have been reading, keep that info coming and who knows who might stumble on to this and put all the missing pieces together. :)

MR. MOTTO

07-29-2006, 05:12 PM

SUGGEST NO ONE GO THERE, UNLESS WISH TO BE LINKED TO POSSIBLE NEW SUSPECT. MR. MOTTO WISH MS COOPER THE BEST, MS. COOPER SEEM TO HAVE ALL FACTS, TRUTH NOT ONLY COME OUT IN WASH, TRUTH ALSO EXIST BEFORE WASH.

MsCooper

07-30-2006, 12:38 AM

I think you will find this photo interesting. Part of the photo has been edited out. This is dated 1971 - It could have been in the Spring of 1971 or the Fall of 1971 - the color of the suit and the apparel worn by the woman could indicate either. Note that in prior photos that his hair was gray/salt and pepper. In this photo it is dyed. His former wife admitting to have dyed his hair on occassions. Included a 1960 prison file and a picture of the glasses taken in 1971 and this same photo shows a brief case on the ground.

Copyrite by JoWeber/MsCooper
These are My personal Memoirs.

MsCooper

07-30-2006, 01:25 AM

One with the tattoo was taken around 1977.
Another Profile:
He is leaning over his desk - taken in 1984/85.

Copyrite 2006 JoWeber/MsCooper
These are my Personal Memoirs.

New Brandon

07-30-2006, 01:55 AM

Duane is a distinct looking person to me... I think if Tina or Flo saw some of these pics, they could probably say whether or not he was DB.

MsCooper

07-30-2006, 02:01 AM

This is the earliest photo I have been able to acquire and the only one showing him with sideburns - but his hair is not dyed and he has gain a lot of weight (all those fancy restuarants that the loot paid for). This photo appears to have been taken on a ship.

The stewardesses HAVE to see this photo. PLEASE ANYONE KNOWING HOW TO CONTACT THEM PLEASE HAVE THEM LOOK AT THIS PHOTO.

I only have about 2 more that I intend to make public and I have to retrieve them so it will be a few days. This would be a good time for any of you to send me some questions.

MR. MOTTO

07-30-2006, 02:09 PM

a supposedly new twist on the D.B COOPER saga. Could this be catchers suspect? It has what seems to be new photos and a sketch never released to the public, and sadly nothing to do with Mr. Weber or Mr. Mcoy. If you truly do not understand my message go to dbcooper.tk and see for yourself.
If you do understand my message than you should try to remain objective. There may be more twists to this story than previously thought.Has catcher stopped because he feels to be in way over his head?

MR. MOTTO

07-30-2006, 03:39 PM

dbcooper.tk

MsCooper

07-31-2006, 01:19 AM

In the last few days new information has emerged. It is taking me time to digest some of what I have heard. Although some of it was not new to me it is just the times and places seemed to have changed - regarding Duane's life from 1962 till April of 1966. There are some question that someone needs to answer for me --- I would think that sooner would be better than later --- Especially because of the nature of the information.

MR. MOTTO

07-31-2006, 03:17 PM

There is rumor on the internet that it is an illegally down loaded internet site from a major motion picture company, M. Night Shamala, or perhaps Oliver Stone, in pre production. What confuses me is that the man pictured in that sight is supposed to portray himself, the real D.B. Cooper. Leaves me confused. If anyone recognizes the man in the photo at dbcooper.tk please post. Will alleviate the non fictional element of the post. I am sure I have seen this person on tv or in film, I just can't place him.

MsCooper

08-01-2006, 02:21 AM

I got this new scanner and I am trying to put glasses on a 1960 prison photo. It is the photo I refer to as the Prison Pout. It was fun to try, but an artist I am NOT. Go ahead Laugh your heads off, but try to picture him 11 yrs older with the sideburn and glasses. I think I might take this to a local artist and see what he could do by painting the glasses and sideburns minus the prison haircut and just see what happens. Have them age him 11 yrs.

IF ANYONE KNOWS THE ATTENDANTS THERE IS SOMETHING HERE THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DISCLOSED TO THE PUBLIC - ONLY THEY WILL KNOW WHAT IT IS.

MsCooper

08-01-2006, 04:57 PM

On the other site someone asked me WHY. This is the answer that I gave:

I am not well and do not feel like re-interating the far too many coincidences that make Duane the best suspect there has ever been. If you were to read all of the postings that I have made here and on the other site you will learn there is much much more than the confession.

His knowledge of the WA area, the trip, the fact that he knew were everything was in WA without a map,the things he said, his knowledge of skydiving and parasailing and kite sailing, his hints that he was in the army and his jump training in Alabama (to not take this out of context - it refers to things he said to me over the yrs), the missing yrs 1962 to 1966, the bag that I saw, the airline ticket that I held in my hand twice, the stub with SeaTac on it, the book with his handwriting in it, the other magazines and books that appeared and disappeared, the fact that he kept things hidden from me, that he looks like "Cooper", that there are certain things that are known only to the witnesses which was never made public that I know and to which I have not made public - due to the fact these things are the aces that I hold, that his where-a-bouts for 2 months is unknown, that when he did re-appear he was limping and had scratches (claimed to have been trimming a tree and fell), that he had an unusual amount of money after the incident (was going to buy a sea-going boat and had the cash money to pay for it), had a reason to be in Portland, witness has placed him at the Rodeway Inn on the night before (with a piano bar near-by). Also the nightmare and the aft stairs that he explained away,

I could go on and on. Please read ALL of the posting by me on the other site prior to their setting this site up for me to do my reseach with.

I need for the FBI and others to help me and not to try to bury this among all of the people who have created "Coopers" for profit.

My life would have been far better had Duane never told me what he told me and if I had not put all of it together, but I did and he had no reason to lie to me. We had a good life and he would have been remembered well - there was no reason to take 17yrs of marriage and make up or create illusions over the yrs that would accummulate with his confession. Remember that I did not know who "Dan Cooper" was.

Copyrite by Jo Weber/ MsCooper
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MR. MOTTO

08-01-2006, 05:49 PM

no one knew, or knows. At least not yet.

MR. MOTTO

08-02-2006, 02:28 PM

MsCooper

08-02-2006, 02:51 PM

I get NO WHERE with the FBI- slow or fast. They never return calls or emails.

I have asked of them to listen to the witness and pull the hotel Registration for the Rodeway Inn that they took during their investigation. They have the original, but the agent has NEVER looked for it and all he told me was that it would have been destroyed once it was checked out. Shouldn't he have said returned to the Inn?
Like the DNA that has never been returned to me - did they destroy that also?

The local FBI agent I originally dealt with has been transferred, but they all know me in that office and what I have been through. All they do is collect the evidence and send it to the requesting office. Hopefully some input by that office will spur the FBI in Seattle to provide me with some answers.

I am going to make this plea on the local level of the FBI with the information that I have been quiet on and hope that they can get me some results.

I am also thinking about trying to write letters to various government officials and name officials who have given me "strange" answers and explain what this has led me to think or believe.

Take for instance when I contacted the Veterans affairs and the strange thing that happened there - I feel I am owned an explanation.

Another strange thing was talking to a branch of service and being told some odd things - like contact me at an unmonitored number. I would later try to contact this person and find that he/she was no longer there. I tried to get information on the computer - zero. I tried a special phone number provided to me - zero. This person has a name -.

The fact that SS nor the government will provide me with the work detail of Duane L. Weber that spanned 11 yrs as John C. Collins. That should be available to me, but I cannot prove I am the widow of John C. Collins. What does it take to do that. The SS office doesn't know.

If you have any suggestions on individuals I can contact and their addresses, please email them to me. The letters will be in more specific than this post.

I do desperately want the two attendants to see ALL of the photos I have of Duane - but, I won't inflict this on them without their agreeing to do so. Just as I did not send Tina photos, because it was her choice not to view them. I just cannot be that rude and inconsiderate of others. I have never been able to get an address or phone number for Florence or the other attendant, and I do not know how much contact the third attendant had with Cooper.

The biggest problem with the FBI is that they do not have a specific agent assigned to this cold case who doesn't have a more active work load.

I still think that the FBI needs to allow public investigative firms who have the forensic abilities and personal financial backing to investigate this case. I am sure that some large firm would be willing to do this for the publicity alone. The FBI leaves this old case only fuels more and more public controversary into the inept abilities of the FBI. This only leave the public thinking "cover-up", but cover-up of what and why. No answers from the FBI fuels speculation and more stories and more hassel for the FBI.

Copyrite 2006 by JoWeber/MsCooper

__________________
This posting contains some proprietary information from MsCooper/Jo Weber in regards to the investigation of my deceased spouse Duane Weber and his death-bed confession.

WatchYourLips

08-02-2006, 02:59 PM

MsCooper

08-02-2006, 02:59 PM

The few books and two pathetic movies involving the case seem to be neither here nor there, in regards to what actually happened. Upon my investigation of all, someone may have gotten the true age down, as unlikely as this seems to be. I now strongly feel that the dbcooper.tk website is beginning to make more sense as I reread it. I will keep you posted if you are truly interested in a truth concerning D.B. COOPERS identity. I am currently trying to track down underground newspapers that may have been in circulation at the time. And hope someone will surface who recognises the dbcooper.tk sketch printed at the time, and the story involved. I no longer believe this is a fictional site and hope to get to the bottom of it. I have emailed the site but so far there is no response.

Mr. Motto,

Please if you want to talk about the dbcooper.tk site indepth please take it to the forum that bounces these ideas around.

To speculate about that site to any extent when it is publicized as fiction is not what I need to help me with my investigation.

I am looking for facts and information about Duane. I am not going to go off track trying to find out if a certain movie or book has any truth to it. If this character turns out to be Cooper, then so be it. I can assure you that the subject nor photo of the suspect are NOT Cooper.

Thank You, Jo Weber

MR. MOTTO

08-02-2006, 03:03 PM

how much? dear watch your lips.

MR. MOTTO

08-02-2006, 03:05 PM

I can see it now. The pursuit of Ms. Weber, lifetime movie channel. I'm serious.

MR. MOTTO

08-02-2006, 04:00 PM

MsCooper

08-03-2006, 12:52 AM

Your story is a lifetime original. You don't have to embelish it. Its there, even if it only ends in your continuing pursuit. It's now just a matter of time as to who grabs it first.
And you are welcome.
MR.MOTTO

I'm sorry I didn't mean to sound rude - I just have a hard time following you sometimes -

Glad that you think the story is entertaining, but I want answers and the truth. Believe it or Not - to borrow a Riddley expression - the truth is what I am seeking, not fame or fortune. At my age I wouldn't have time to enjoy any proceeds from such a venture...I would love to hold that airline ticket in my hand one more time and the other item that I sold at a garage sale and didn't know that it had any significance. There were 4 pieces of physical evidence - he hid or destroyed two of the items and I destroyed one and sold another at a garage sale. Guess my roots really are Blond.

Copyrite 2006 by JoWeber/MsCooper
These are my personal Memoirs

MR. MOTTO

08-03-2006, 03:38 PM

MsCooper

08-03-2006, 11:01 PM

And that the worst of his nightmares were fingerprints, that have not matched, and not what the description was or who could identify him? Why would Mr. Weber have nightmares concerning fingerprints he left on a flight, and yet keep the only other piece of evidence that could link him to that flight, the airline ticket. If he was afraid that the finger prints might lead the authorities to his door, wouldn't the airline ticket be the first thing he got rid of? Perhaps on his landing, if it were still in his posession?

Duane was a keeper of memories and hence he kept only 4 things and possibly 5 but without the help of the FBI I will never know.

The nightmare: mightmares have a way of showing our fears - he may have thought he left a print, but he was very methodical and he probably left none - or at least none that could be read by the equipement of the time. Remember that an emory cloth that he was known to use- it made it very hard for prints to be read in 1971. Since I am sure that he took care of the prints - you can bet that the dream was just one of his worse fears, but in reality he knew better.

There is also the strong possibility that his prints were changed in the system at Jefferson --- the FBI has never verified that the prints from each prison match those at Jefferson -- they just don't have the time or man power to verify that....means digging through files -- the fbi doesn't like to get their hand dirty or get on their knees or admit that the system had a flaw. This flaw is documented in court records in Alabama, thank you and is not just something I made up.

Keepers of sentimental things keep things - small things that are transportable and easy to dispose of.

I have been told not to tell anymore.

Copyrite 2006 by JoWeber/MsCooper
These Are My Personal Memoirs

This posting contains some proprietary information resulting from my investigation into the deathbed confess of Duane Weber

MR. MOTTO

08-04-2006, 01:29 PM

MsCooper

08-04-2006, 08:39 PM

The loot, as you call it, seems to me to be more important, than a casual sea cruise. That man took a life risk for a cruise?
The photo of M.R. Weber on the previous page on that supposed cruise seems to show a confident relaxed man, that could be considered flashy. He seems to be sporting loud clothing, popular at the time, and a flashy watch and in your face ring. And does not at all seem worried that he may be recognized. On the contrary as you say, he has grown his sideburns down, the way cooper was described. If I were cooper, wouldn't I have cut my sideburns off? And perhaps grown a mustache or beard to change my appearance a bit? I also see no pictures of MR. Weber without his glasses. Cooper was not known to wear glasses for his sight. If I was involved with that crime, I would want to make sure I could see everything. As far as the loot goes, it was supposedly in twenty dollar bills. I can't imagine paying for large purchases in twenties. I'm not saying the money was'nt laundered, but I am questioning the practicality of asking for that amount in that denomination. First of all, it adds bulk, secondly, it becomes easier to trace. A random denomination sounds more practical to me, if I had put all that thought into the logistics of my survival.

Regarding the Photo:

Cruise Ship? I said it looked like a cruise ship and the apparell would suggest such. Note that photo was made about 1976 and he was making good money as an insurance saleman --the clothes were not FLASHY - infact they were very upscale for the time. That ring I still have and it was NOT a diamond.
The watch was a Seiko and not expensive - although he did have a very expensive watch - not sure how he acquired it (would have sold for $10,000 in the 70's).

Disquise? Give me a break. At the time of the jump his hair was neat and trimmed and dyed shiny dark brown/black. NO ONE ever saw him like that.
He was in Georgia - do you know where the story of the skyjacking appeared in our paper here? I will tell you it was not front page news. I was living in a small town in GA and it was war time --- the only article I read was inside the paper and it was a small and insignifant article ---. This was not a local paper I believe it was a Macon or Atlanta paper.

Buy a cruise ship - not what I said. He wanted to buy a boat that was sea going --- could have been a sail boat or something with a cabin -- maybe he was thinking he might need a way out of the country (this was 1972 in January or February when he made this statement to his companion on an expensive trip to FLordia.

Disquise? Again re-interate - when the books came out and there was renewed interest in the media - he did grow a mustach in the early 80's about the time there would have been talk about upcoming books to hit the market. He also let his hair get bushy, but he no longer looked like the composite and it would not have been necessary, but he did it. I hate facial hair and he grew this regardless...he was always considerate of me.

The glasses I have discussed before - Duane was farsighted. He was an expert marksman without his glasses or a scope. Wearing glasses - in prison it was a way of self preservation - it changed your demeanor...still only for reading --- it was also his way of hiding. Glasses distract from your appearance. Someone is more likely to remember your glasses than what you actually look like.

Asking for the ransom in $20's - easy to spend on everyday purchases with no questions asked. $200,000. he just wanted to be able to breath - after all he had been told that he had only 5 yrs left - remember that he had renal problems -- . Not much was known about renal failure at the time and he had already watched his mother die after 2 yrs on the rudimentary and painful equipment that was available in the 50's.

After the jump there were drastic advancements made in renal problems and the equipment and the different types of diseases. Turns out he had a hereditary problem that went in plateaus...leveling out for yrs. He had to change his eating habits and life style, but he did do that. But, at the time of the jump - he had lost everything he ever wanted and he was alone and depressed and the future looked very bleak. Who knows - maybe he didn't think he would survive the jump.

He survived - and life went on. He lived his life looking over his shoulder. Someday I might tell people about some of these things and our life together, but for now they are private.

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These are my Personal Memoirs

New Brandon

08-05-2006, 11:24 AM

There were 4 pieces of physical evidence - he hid or destroyed two of the items and I destroyed one and sold another at a garage sale. Guess my roots really are Blond.

Copyrite 2006 by JoWeber/MsCooper
These are my personal Memoirs

Well, obviously the ticket... but what else could he have kept? I guess you know, but understandably you can't reveal the other three things... The raincoat? Unless he actually grabbed a sign like the one that was found nearby.

Nothing else I can think of would be distinct enough to associate it with DB -- or worth any value to be sold at a garage sale. The only other things are the bomb (out of question), the briefcase that held the bomb (like I said, not distinct), and the sack which held the money.

Unless there was something he owned which put him in Portland in 1971 or evidence of how he came up with his plan or learned how to jump.

MR. MOTTO

08-05-2006, 03:49 PM

But no one ever saw him like that? Didn't you just post a photo of him with his hair neatly trimmed? With other people in the photo blocked out? Now, the glasses. If glasses are only for reading everyone knows you can't see anything beyond your nose in them. Yet every photo of him shows reading glasses. As far as prison goes, I would imagine that if I had a tatoo on my arm, and was used to prison, the last thing I would want to use to change my demeanor would be glasses. First of all, I would want to make sure I could see all around me in case of a shivving, second of all, I'm not sure the demeanor of glasses would make me popular, unless it was in an unwanted way, by me. I surely would not be always sporting reading glasses if I was constantly looking over my shoulder, in fear that someone has caught on to me. There are so many inconsistincies in your recent post concerning my questions, that I no longer know where to start. As for twenty dollar bills being perfect for everyday purchases, how would you buy a boat with twenty dollar bills? According to you he was an insurance agent who made good money, why would he need twenty dollar bills for everyday purchases?

MsCooper

08-05-2006, 04:10 PM

Garage sale while Duane was alive, but unable to assist because of a fractured leg:

Remember I have talked about the ticket and the stub. That is two items.The book that wasn't a book and the unknown contents - disappeared after Duane told the girl that it wasn't for sale and to set it aside. That I later would look for it and it was not in the remaining items in the garage...what she did with it I don't know. It is possible that he had put the ticket and stub inside of the book and maybe one of the bills.

A garage sale after he died that I did: An item was sold for a 25 cents. This item I did not know what it was --- the man who bought it told me what it was and I thought it was strange Duane would own an item like that (something he had when I married him in 1978). I WILL not disclose what that item was. Remember that I did not know who Dan Cooper was.

The hotel registration that the FBI refuses to go thru the files and check out.

Something I know that the FBI did not disclose and has never been disclosed to the public.

There was another item in his wallet that I threw away yrs before he died. Again I will not say what it was. It was small and not significant until now.

The knife that cut the cord --- the FBI will never lay their hands on that knife, because they probably didn't keep the cords and they have never returned the other DNA items.

There are small insignifcant things a person can keep that the ordinary person, not even the wife would attach a crime.

This posting contains some proprietary information from
MsCooper/JoWeber in regards to the investigation of my
deceased spouse Duane Weber and his death-bed confession.

Copyright 2006 by JoWeber/MsCooper
These are my personal Memoirs.

MsCooper

08-05-2006, 04:33 PM

You are beginning to sound like dbcoopercatcher.
As far as the glasses that is speculation.
The photos - everyone that knew Duane knew him to have salt and pepper wavy hair. They never saw the dyed slicked back look that was portrayed in the photo taken right before the crime...that is not how they knew him.

Note the picture with the pink shirt showing the tattoo and holding a dog - that is how they knew him. PLEASE understand that it was not front page stuff in our area.

As for why he wore the glasses and or took them off I really do not know - I can only speculate --- that part was pure speculation --- not fact. That he was far-sited is a fact. I also know that his eyesite changed because he kept having to get new glasses.

MsCooper

08-05-2006, 04:36 PM

MrMotto: A twenty dollar bill plus a five bought a wks groceries in 1971. That was my grocery buget without paper goods. In 1971 I did not know Duane Weber and I was a single mom raising 2 small children...we did not eat well on that but sometimes it was all we had. I did not meet Duane Weber until 1977.

MR. MOTTO

08-05-2006, 04:42 PM

The truth is out there. But I thought you stated he was an insurance agent who made good money? I'm not following, or have you "stumbled" again? Did he have the twenties or not? I don't get it. Are you now saying that at the time you didn't even have money for groceries? Or that after, you still didn't?
But after, he dressed well and went on a cruise perhaps? And had a ten thousand dollar ring? I'm not following. Did he give you twenty dollar bills in spurts so that you wouldn't starve, while he collected his paycheck as an insurance agent, who according to you made good money? I don't get it. Please explain. You have confused me.

MsCooper

08-05-2006, 11:25 PM

Mr.Motto

Stumbling? NO.

Excuse me you have all of the facts all turned around. Have you read the thread and do you know my history? I was not married to Duane in 1971 and I did not know him at that time. I would not meet him until Aug of 1977 and we were married in 1978. Please take time to go back and read all of my posts and understand the facts of the story as it stands. Please stop confusing the readers! Go look at the history of Duane Weber....

All I did with the statement you riddled was to try to establish the value of a twenty dollar bill in 1971.

MsCooper

08-06-2006, 12:13 AM

How did Duane L Weber make his living as an insurance agent with his history?

This has always been part of the mystery of Duane L Weber...he managed to have insurance licenses in several state and multiple states at one time, yet he was a 6 time felon with 17 yrs of accumulated time in 6 different federal prison. How did he do this?

Is it possible for one man to outwit the system that long without help? Or was Mr. Weber a very smart ex-con who learned how to manuver the system?

He was an insurance agent and regional supervisor for a major insurance company for 12 yrs of our marriage and would have continued had he not become disabled. He worked for other insurance companies prior to that. All under the name of Duane L. Weber.

In the 60's he worked for another insurance company under the name of John C. Collins - the same company that underwrote the Northwestern insurance policy that paid the claim. That policy was for $200,000

Could someone out there explain how Mr. Weber managed to do the above? Do note that the states he worked in did not require fingerprints to acquire an license.

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These are my personal Memoirs.

This posting contains some proprietary information from MsCooper/Jo Weber in regards to the investigation of my deceased spouse Duane Weber and his death-bed confession.

MR. MOTTO

08-07-2006, 02:17 PM

MsCooper

08-07-2006, 04:52 PM

The question was did he give you twenties to pay for your groceries AFTER you were married? Or had he spent all the twenties in the previous seven years, while he was still an insurance agent?
I think you are confusing the reader by claiming that the real D.B.COOPER, was simply an insurance agent who skyjacked an airline so that he could simply go back to his well paying, cushy job, as an insurance agent. And work his way up to regional manager. And continue to remain in that job for his future. I think you are simply refusing to look at the big picture. I am sorry, I can't apologize for my posts, the least that they have been is in haste. Your answers to my posts however have been very hasty.You seem to have a knack for skirting around the issues. You would have made a good politician.

Mr. Motto:

This discussion was addressed on the other site. I was not married to Mr. Weber until 1977 and that my expression about the $20. for groceries was simply to show you what one could do with a twenty dollar bill in 1971.
I am trying to find out more about my husband in this forum and not to waste time and space on something unrelated.

I am not confusing the readers at all. He did not have a cushy job - What he made was based on commission and he never drew a salary. He worked very hard for his money- if he had a bad week he didn't get a check.

An IMPORTANT NOTE: His INCOME for 1971 WAS NOT enough for anyone to live on - his and his wife's income combined. She left him and he was broke and had a lots of bills - he was desperate. PLEASE also NOTE that he worked multiple jobs from 1968 to 1971. (All low paying service jobs.)

In one of the post I itemized these jobs - hoping someone might be able to help me trace those years with more detail.

I have not skirting any issues. Past post will prove that I have tried to answer any and all post to the best of my knowledge.

MsCooper

08-07-2006, 06:10 PM

Mr. Motto: This the statement that you made that I was referring to in stating that you had not read the posting and that you owed me an apology.
I still think you do.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MR. MOTTO
" Any one hired as an insurance agent would have to be bonded, even back then. Your story is falling apart quicker than catcher could ever imagine. But I'm not catcher, am I! And no I obviously would not make a good criminal, but you would have to reread all my previous posts as to why not."

My explanation was simple and direct: Although it is repetitive of another posting I have already made I just want the reader to see what I was referring to. The below is a copy of my posting to that reply.

Mr. Motto:

You have not read the posts and you have not researched this story. It has been explained before - that Duane worked as an insurance agent and I assume was bonded --- think about this. This has always been part of the mystery of Duane L Weber...he managed to have insurance licenses in several state and multiple states at one time, yet he was a 6 time felon with 17 yrs of accumulated time in 6 different federal prison. How did he do this?

Would you not think that there had to be someone running interference for him --- this is something that really got to me and that NO ONE can explain away???? Can anyone outwit the system that long without help? Or was Mr. Weber a very smart ex-con who learned how to manuver the system?

He was an insurance agent and regional supervisor for a major insurance company for 12 yrs of our marriage and would have continued had he not become disabled. He worked for other insurance companies prior to that. All under the name of Duane L. Weber.

In the 60's he worked for another insurance company under the name of John C. Collins - the same company that underwrote the Northwestern insurance policy that paid the claim. That policy was for $200,000

Please say you are sorry and that your postings are hasty.
Do I need to say more.

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These are my personal Memoirs.
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This posting contains some proprietary information from MsCooper/Jo Weber in regards to the investigation of my deceased spouse Duane Weber and his death-bed confession.

MsCooper

08-07-2006, 11:25 PM

Those of you reading this for the 1st time, Please go back and read my postings and view the photos. Look at the posting showing his work record from 1968 and the places he worked and the yrs. Can anyone tell me anything about those places or those years.

Did anyone out there Know Duane L. Weber aka John C. Collins. He also used variations of both of those names? Can you connect him to forestry training at McNeil Island Federal Penititary in Washington (1943-1946)approximately the same program that also included smoke jumping in SanQuentin and Folsum (1951-1959). It is also believed that Canon City Federal Prison in Colorado (1960 - 1962) also had such programs, but I have not found any confirmation of this.

There must be someone out there who knows how to obtain this information and/or has the know how to do so. If you live in any of these areas and can access the archives - please, I need your help. If you live locally near any of these prisons - perhaps you can talk to the elders in the area or maybe the local library has information.

MsCooper

08-09-2006, 12:17 AM

Not well enough to make a post today. I have promised you a certain photo, but I am just not up to it right now. There is something happening, but not exactly sure what regarding Cooper - let you know when I know.

This posting has been amended:

There are many things that I cannot discuss in this forum regarding information that I have and that has been shared with the proper parties who are assisting me. There will be some surprises that no one ever suspected - except myself and the parties involved. There are things I have known since the very beginning - the time has come now to move forward to the very beginning. That phrase you will only understand when everything has been done that needs to be accomplished and then the real story can be told or maybe not.

Perhaps you think I am speaking in riddles and teasing you, but that is not my nature...I am dead serious about everything I do.
Leave no stone unturned and you will find the truth.

Copyright 2006 by JoWeber/MsCooper
These are my personal Memoirs.

MR. MOTTO

08-09-2006, 11:13 AM

I APOLOGIZE ,good luck in your pursuit.

sincerely

MsCooper

08-09-2006, 08:48 PM

Will keep you posted. Family ememergency and my health means that I will not be spending as much time as I have in the past on this forum. I will post any new information that I can share with the public and answer your questions. Also REMEMBER that there is certain information I am searching for:
Can You Help Me.

MsCooper

08-12-2006, 12:19 AM

I have recently been intouch with Issaquah History Museum or rather a person who has tried to help me.

It seems that individuals at the jump field recognized an individual as a match to the composite after the crime was committed. The FBI checked out this person and he had an air tight alibi for the date of the skyjacking.

At least this is information that I did not have before - and I will keep on looking. Sure would like to have know who that guy was?

MsCooper

08-12-2006, 06:32 PM

In an area of Kansas or a surrounding state there is an airport known as Flying Cloud that supported many jumpers in the 1960's. Duane at that time was known as John Collins and worked with an insurance company in the area for a period of time. This is a tri state area and I am not sure which state the field was located in.

This airport is called Flying Cloud -- Does anyone know prior jumpers in that area or old jump club member who could look at photos of Duane from that time - some of these photo's have not been posted and will be sent only to the individuals who might express an interest or has a group who would like to view the photos. Many of the old timers do not use a computers but still attend sessions or someone knows them as an avid jumper from the past.

Can anyone help me with this?

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MsCooper

08-13-2006, 11:29 PM

Duane was released from the Canon City Jun 16 1962 and on parole until Nov. 16, 1964. What happened to the system. He did not remain in CO., but instead ended up in KS and then MO and MI....but somehow ends up in Miami at the Fontane Blue (not spelled right) in 1962...all decked out and was seen by a family friend when he is reported to be somewhere else.

A man is on parole from Co. - would he not have to stay in that state as a condition of his parole? We know he was in and out of Florida, New Orleans, Mississippi, Missouri, Minnisota, Chicago and Alabama during the yrs. 1962 - 1966. He would be arrested in Cleveland, Ohio in 1996 and sent to prison as John Collins. How can one person be in two different places at one time? We know he was given a new SS number in 1965 even after living as John Collins since 1962. That he was a ladies man.

Violates parole and he is arrested in 1966 in Ohio for a different crime - why was he not charged with violation of parole????? Why was he sent to prison as John Collins and then go back to the name of Duane L. Weber after release. Doesn't this ring any bells with anyone out there who was former law enforcement? The fingerprints????? What was on file was not the fingerprints of Duane L. Weber.

We know he held jobs as a Doorman, an Elevator operator, worked in High end restaurants - in the New Orleans area, traveled extensively (that takes a car and money). We also know he worked as an insurance saleman in MI, MO and KS area under the name John Collins. That he would be gone for wks at a time and never introduced his lady friend to business associates.

That he was connected to two men who he knew from AL or that would end-up in AL. That he had connections in Chicago. That he worked in KS during a Bob Hope Benefit at the Muelbach. That he was a heavy drinker when playing, but when working he was all business. That he was extremely intelligent and meticulous in his grooming.

Someone out there has the means and ability to help me. The SS people would not help me because I cannot prove I am the widow of John Collins - I have the SS#. Need to track that employment record.

I know more than I am telling - but that will be shared when the time is right. I know the places he was in - just need to know the sequence and times.

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This Posting contains some proprietary information from JoWeber/MsCooper in regards to the investigation of my deceased spouse Duane L. Weber and his deathbed confession.

MsCooper

08-16-2006, 03:00 AM

I know some things about those yrs and I cannot put them in a forum. I have hinted at things without being specific. The whole picture is frightening and then why can't I just stop --- because I am a woman driven by the truth. I want someone to stumble upon the same information that I have and then validations of the puzzle pieces will be complete.

I have lived my life trusting people and trusting the government, but I no longer believe that our government agencies are on the up and up. When I put things right out infront that cannot be ignored --- there is only one answer for the reactions of our law enforcement and governing agencies - cover-up for past actions or - does the FBI and CIA hire young men who are looking for nothing, but their paycheck. I would like to think that they are hiring intelligent resourceful men capable of protecting us.

Why wasn't Cooper caught? Certain people knew who he was, but he was holding - WHAT was he holding - what information did he hold that was important enough that xx?xx let him live his life out? Was Duane L. Weber a double agent who was smart enough to buy his own insurance policy? Was Cooper collecting what he felt he was owed for services rendered?

caretaker Al

08-16-2006, 09:20 AM

...Was Duane L. Weber a double agent who was smart enough to buy his own insurance policy?[/U]

Try reading "I Led Three Lives," by Herb Philbrick and consider that Duane led two for most of his. I met Herb, but I KNEW Duane. Herb looked like Mr. Magoo.

Al

caretaker Al

08-16-2006, 09:56 AM

Flying Cloud Airport is in Eden Prairie, Minnesota, south of Bloomington, Mn.
Google it. How can you not find it???

MsCooper

08-17-2006, 01:06 AM

"Why wasn't Cooper caught? Certain people knew who he was, but he was holding - WHAT was he holding - what information did he hold that was important enough that xx?xx let him live his life out? Was Duane L. Weber a double agent who was smart enough to buy his own insurance policy? Was Cooper collecting what he felt he was owed for services rendered?"

Too large for a safe deposit box - where would you hide this item so that it could be retrieved and used if the need should arise?

Why did Duane Weber being an ex-con risk buying a pistol in 1990? (I am no longer in possession this firearm, but it will be made available to me if I should need it -was a condition of the other party acquiring the gun). Why did he put split bullets in this gun (by the way he did this himself)? Why did he buy a shoulder holster? Why was he upset by a man who was coming into the shop that he found out to be a private investigator. Who was the strange woman who came to see him from New Orleans.....? Why was the shop robbed twice in a short period of time? Why didn't he report something being stolen that was taken?

A 1982 trip to a place of significance to retrieve an item -- Was that his insurance? Someday you may all know the answers to those questions.

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MsCooper

08-22-2006, 12:21 AM

This forum has allowed me to tell some of the things that I can reveal and to post pictures. This has advanced my search and made it possible for me to reach people who held the means to assist me even further.

I do wish it was possible to identify people on this forum that I need to find with names and the last place I have recorded for these people, but to do so has the potential of risks. There are some people who hold information and do not realize that they hold pieces of the puzzle. I am still trying to find some of these people - funny how people Duane introduced me to as friends and co-workers have just disappeared.

Folks I am not difficult to find. Just email me thru this forum and give me your contact information. If you want to use email ok, but if you want me to call I can do so if I am provided with a phone number. I use a calling card so my number cannot be traced --- plus, it is cheaper.

Some of the people I would like to talk to:

Airline Attendants
Anyone in Washington that thinks they may have met Duane.
Anyone who was in prison with Duane - McNeil, Folsum, SanQuentin, Canon City, Jefferson City and Columbia Federal Prison.Anyone who had any contact with him on private basis.
Anyone who worked with him at any time.
People who worked for Pyarmid Life Insurance from 1962 to 1966People who worked for American Income in Atlanta, Ga 1968 to 1972.People who worked for Family Life Ins in Ga 1971 to 1977
The couple who owned the dry cleaning business in Ft. Collins Co in 1979-1980.
The couple from Denver - he had one leg and claimed to have been a chauffer for Howard Hughes.
The guys from Alabama - one is dead, but if his widow would contact me it might help.

Just click on MsCooper and send a private email.

niteclerk

08-23-2006, 04:44 PM

I can verify that Mr. Weber/aka dbcooper was at the Rodeway Inn on the evening of Nov 24th 1971 and registered under the name of john collins. I identified him to the FBI on the following day after he had hijacked the aircraft and jumped into history. I was the front desk clerk on duty that thanksgiving evening. My recollection of that particular individual was enhanced greatly while being questioned by the FBI and other law enforcement officials. I was shown photos of many individuals and asked to pick out the one who I believed to be the one who I checked in the prior evening. I was then shown several composites with and without disquise or dark glasses. I had no problem matching the correct person to the right photo. The investigating officer asked for the registration card for the evening of the 24th and took the card with him. I only heard from them once more a few days later to verify what I had stated, never to hear from them again. I have been in touch with Jo Weber since 1997 to this day and I am still 100% convinced that Duayne Weber and DBCOOPER are one and the same.

crystaldawn

08-24-2006, 07:36 AM

Just for the record I merged nite clerk's thread in here because we don't need two current threads going about the exact same topic.

MsCooper

08-29-2006, 01:21 AM

Night Clerk:

Thank you for joining the forum, but I do not understand some of things you said and it leaves me some what confused. In 1971 they did not possess the capabilities to have had mug shots with and without disquise that quickly --- do you mean that you viewed composites or did you actually view mug shots?

Or are you referring to the time you approached the FBI after you came forward as a result of an article written by Margie Bouille of the Oregonian?

The forum and I need some verification of what you are saying. I realize that your life has not been easy for the past few yrs and that time has a way of dulling the memory. I also thought maybe you had someone else do the entry for you and that they are the ones to confuse the information.

Please elaborate in more detail the things that you told me on the phone several yrs ago. The mug shot thing has really caused me to re-think your story, as I am sure it also makes the reader doubt what you have said. Note, that I have made many mistakes here myself...participation in this type of forum is relative new to me. I was trying to go from recall and I was not getting the sequences and dates in a manner that the reader could understand...they had me for lunch the next day.

MsCooper

08-30-2006, 01:10 AM

Duane had been given a death sentence in 1971 or late 1970. His wife had left him. He wasn't making any money. He chose to pull off something that had only been talked about in prison - the big one. He did not expect to live.

He had worked for Pyramid Life and knew exactly what would be covered by the policy carried by Northwestern - $200,000. The FBI and/or some other organization keeps his files closed and some have been destroyed.

On a flight to St.Thomas in 1987 - (he was accepting the award of his life and was being put out on disability), but this is when he showed me a wheel in the back of the plane and told me that if you turned the wheel and lowered a knob that a stairwell lowered out of the rear of the plane. I didn't ask how he knew this - having known that he was familiar with the Boeings - he had given me this story about the family business having a contract with Boeing for the paint during the war.

Alone and desparate and did not want to face the same death his mother had faced on the dialysis equipment of the late 50's. He told me a story about how you could take road flares and it looked like a bomb . His strange attachment to an old clock and got upset with me for throwing it out...I don't know if a clock was used or not.

Duane did have an idea of where he was going to land - he knew the area very well. The visibility was not as bad as some have made it out to be. The wind did take him a little away from where his target, but it was managable.

He had taken another flight before and able to time how long he had to be in the air to make target. Jumping he used the Mississippi count down. He used no fancy equipment. He did have a raincoat (black) and he had rubbers that clasped at the ankles.

Duane showed me the Dam and told me about how it lite up from an airplane -and he told me as he was pointing things out about the pipelines, the power lines ( how you could walk for miles before the undergrowth was there, the Bonneville site and every knob (by name) and tower and rock around it.He told me about a very high fence and two men who escaped from Bonneville. He told me about a track that was owned by the forestry or logging industry and where it came from and how it was used.

This was not a man with a casual acquaintance with WA state.

Surprise, surprise - he survived and that was more frightening than death. He lived the rest of his life looking over his shoulder afraid that someone would recognize him - I never understood until I figured out what he had been talking about 11 days before he died.... why he was so paranoid about people. No more than one contact - didn't want to run an agency and when he was forced to by me and the regional manager, he changed how he looked - drastically. Longer hair and a mustache.

How many ideas do you embrace before the truth can be denied no longer? I denied the truth about Duane for yrs while I was married to him and after his death I continued to deny the story and history that was unfolding in front of me. I found it unbelievable that I was married to this man for 17 yrs and that he had spent another 17 yrs of his life in 6 federal prisons.

Yet, the answers to our life together started to make sense - the secrets and things he had said and told me over the yrs. It all added up. I am a simple woman and could never fabricate this story. I have told the truth and nothing but the truth (I have omitted things).

Why cannot the powers that be bring me resolution? Is this what America can expect from our government - if they admit he was Cooper then they admit that they failed?

Or was it a cover-up because of other things that the subject had been involved in?

Simple man making a statement or very smart double agent making a deal?

MsCooper

08-31-2006, 01:17 AM

The aft stairs on the plane:

Inside of the Boeing in the rear of the passenger department there was a door with a wheel on it --- it has been modified to keep it from being opened with the Cooper Vane, but the door and wheel remained in view of anyone looking to the rear of the plane and departing by the rear side door.

Around 1987 we flew from Miami to St. Croix on one of these planes. The recieving airport did not have the kind of loading and unloading of passengers you find in airports today. As we were standing in line to leave the airplane to make our connection to St. Thomas, Duane explained the door and the stairwell that opened into the rear of the plane and told me about the "Cooper Vane". Please note that he did not call it a "Cooper Vane" just that it had been modified not to be opened in flight. He never told me why and I didn't ask.

A recent posting in the other forum that inferred that the "Cooper Vane" being in place actually modified the planes interior caused me to doubt my memory and recall. Well, I just knew that I had not created a false memory and made it a point to find out.

I have made an inquiry and was told that the installation of the "Cooper Vane" stopped someone from being able to access the aft stair in flight, but the door and the mechanisms remained in place with access to the aft stairs. The only thing that changed was that the door could not be opened after the plane was in flight.

As Duane's illness took a toll in that last year, he would say "I got something Famous name after me" I would always reply Weber Bread or Weber Grills. He would have this quirky little smile on his face and sometime reply with a "no: or "you will never know". Now I know "The Cooper Vane".