I think that one of the most heartbreaking cases is the Jon Bennet (don't think I spelled that right!) and also the Texas most wanted, where Edward harold bell killed her son right before her eyes. I AM SO GLAD THAT GUY WAS CAUGHT! Friends till the end, and many more that I have seen. It just breaks my heart when I see how mean people are to eachother, and seeing all this hate in the world. What do you all think?

The Su Ya Kim case where the family had to close their shop and return to S. Korea was sad for me. :\ I think the murder is still unsolved to this day.

Anthonette Cayedito And the poloroids found in Parking lot

Gordon Page
Wanda Jean Mays
Tammy Leppart
Unidentified Man Found in Steamer Trunk
Keri Lyn Nixon
Nyleen Kay Marshall
Patricia Meehan

Just to name a few.

As a parent, the ones with missing/kidnapped kids get me the most. Like the one from the early days of UM where the mom had married into a wealthy Texas (?) family, and when she and her husband got divorced, he ran with their two boys and his parents were financing it. I remember the mom tracked them to Scotland, and the police missed him by literally HOURS.

I wonder if she ever got them back.

As a parent, the ones with missing/kidnapped kids get me the most. Like the one from the early days of UM where the mom had married into a wealthy Texas (?) family, and when she and her husband got divorced, he ran with their two boys and his parents were financing it. I remember the mom tracked them to Scotland, and the police missed him by literally HOURS.

I wonder if she ever got them back.

Yes the boys name was Charles & Christopher Smith and you'll be happy to know there was an update at the end that they were located and reunited with their mother. I believe the grandparents are still on the run but if my memory serves me I believe the father was arrested. Anyone who remembers any more details of the reunion or capture feel free to elaborate.

Yes the boys name was Charles & Christopher Smith and you'll be happy to know there was an update at the end that they were located and reunited with their mother. I believe the grandparents are still on the run but if my memory serves me I believe the father was arrested. Anyone who remembers any more details of the reunion or capture feel free to elaborate.

The boys were reunited with their mother back in the early to mid 90's I believe. I'll check my tape tonight and post the update.

Jennifer Pratt was pretty sad, she had so much going for her and for a brain injury to take it all away.....

Edward Harold Bell.....for his Mother to witness his shooting, like angel 25 said, I'm GLAD he was caught and "I hope they throw the book at him".....

The case with this woman named Victoria, I believe it was the Epilepsy Pooches. I'd didn't find the pooches themselves heartbreaking but the circumstance under which she became epileptic....a drunk driver. Another perfectly healthy woman who had things going for her and for a head injury to ruin her life, basically. Head and brain injuries get me. To me, if you have a head injury, either intentional by another human being or accidental, that takes away your livlihood.

Any thoughts?

The Edward Harold Bell case where he shot Larry Dickens to death was pretty bad. Bell shot Dickens in front of Dickens mother and his sister. I remember in re-enactment that Dickens mother had his blood all over her. It was one of the tougher re-enactments to watch. Thankfully Edward Harold Bell was eventually arrested, he had 15 years extra freedom but the bottom line is he was caught and justice was served. However Bell got off easy in that he was sentenced according to 1978 sentencing guidelines so he was sentenced to 70 years in prison. However if you whittle that down with good behavior and stuff, apperantly Bell has been a model prisoner because according to 1978 sentencing guidelines in Texas if you were sent to prison for 1st degree murder which is what I believe Bell was convicted of, you became eligible for parole after 19 years. Bell will be first eligible for parole in 2013 when he is 73 years old. It also said at the Texas Department of Corrections that he is due to be released in 2023 when he will be 83, that is if he isnt paroled before that time.

Some other ones, Kari Lynn Nixon, didnt they find the guy that killed her? I thought they had an update where they said they arrested a guy, or a guy that was already in prison or something admitted that he killed her. What was his name? Some other ones, Angela Hammond, that was a scary one, I will never forget her kidnapper saying "I didnt even need to use the phone anyway." Her town of Clinton, Missouri was in the news a few days ago when those elks clubs members were hurt when a floor in an old building collapsed. Gordon Page Jr, I think there has been sightings of him over the years and I actually believe these to be credible. I actually think there is a good chance he is still alive and wandering around the country. Joe and Mattie Harvey being murdered by their beloved niece and her boyfriend for money was sad. Dexter Stofonek the elderly gentleman murdered at a rest stop. Jay and Tanya two trusting teenagers that were murdered in Washington state in 1987. Lisa Kimmel, being murdered by that pig Dale Wayne Eaton. Eaton I believe is a serial rapist and killer. I just cant believe that Kimmel was his first or last kill. The Wendy Camp case where she, her daughter and sister in law were murdered by her ex husband Chad Noe and his mother. I know they did it and they have got away with murder for all these years. It is pretty sick. Finally, those people in Texas and southwest Arkansas that were murdered in like a 24 hour timespan in 1988 by two bored teenagers, William Glen Henry and Davey Lynn Crockett. Thankfully Henry and Crockett are both still in prison. They were sentenced to life when they should have got death. Henry and Crockett were both first eligible for parole last year but both were denied. Henry has appearantly been a model prisoner but Crockett got in trouble in the 90's for smuggling a gun into prison. Crockett got an additional ten years in prison on top of his life sentence for that.

However Bell got off easy in that he was sentenced according to 1978 sentencing guidelines so he was sentenced to 70 years in prison. However if you whittle that down with good behavior and stuff, apperantly Bell has been a model prisoner because according to 1978 sentencing guidelines in Texas if you were sent to prison for 1st degree murder which is what I believe Bell was convicted of, you became eligible for parole after 19 years. Bell will be first eligible for parole in 2013 when he is 73 years old. It also said at the Texas Department of Corrections that he is due to be released in 2023 when he will be 83, that is if he isnt paroled before that time.

Don't EVEN get me started on this. I have a huge problem with how the criminal justice system works in this respect, especially given the cold-blooded nature of this crime. I realize that I'm an intern at a PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE, but I think there are some serious problems with our legal system when someone can shoot another human being several times, GO BACK TO HIS TRUCK AND RELOAD, shoot that person again over the pleas of the victim's own mother... and still be paroled. A person who is caught with a good amount of heroin or meth will most likely spend more time in jail than a convicted murderer....

Thus ends the soap box.

Finally, those people in Texas and southwest Arkansas that were murdered in like a 24 hour timespan in 1988 by two bored teenagers, William Glen Henry and Davey Lynn Crockett. Thankfully Henry and Crockett are both still in prison. They were sentenced to life when they should have got death. Henry and Crockett were both first eligible for parole last year but both were denied. Henry has appearantly been a model prisoner but Crockett got in trouble in the 90's for smuggling a gun into prison. Crockett got an additional ten years in prison on top of his life sentence for that.

Isn't that the case with the two crazy metalhead kids with the long hair and dangly earrings?


I'll add the Blind River rest area murders. Watching the husband try to tell what happened was heartbreaking. It's also screwed up for the guy who passed by at the wrong time and was killed by a shotgun blast through the windshield.

Yeah that was them. They must have listened to like too much RATT or too much Poision or something. But in all seriousness I dont know why they would go and kill 4 people for no reason at all. Just kill them and steal their cars. I dont even think they took the money off of the people or anything. Just killed them and stole their cars. Maybe they stole stuff but I cant remember. I think the cops thought though that robbery wasnt really the prime motive anyway. If I remember right they killed a young woman that was in her 20's but they left her baby unharmed. They then crashed her car and walked to a farm where they killed a man in his early 60's and also murdered his elderly father who was in his mid to late 80's. They then stole their truck and drove it into southwest Arkansas where they crashed it and walked to a trailer house. They were able to get the guy to give them a ride away from the house and then they killed him. It was a younger man who was in his late twenties to early 30's. But again, why they did this I will never know. I never really understood why they did what they did.

There was this case I was wondering the name of the guy that did it. It was an old UM. It was in Missouri and this guy was dating this girl. Well when they went to college the relationship went sour, and the girl dumped the guy. Well the guy went nuts and eventually he broke into her house at like 5 in the morning and murdered her parents and also stabbed the friend of one of her siblings that was staying over. The guy like went on the run or something but was caught a year or two later when he was profiled on UM. It was in Missouri in 1988 or 1989.

The Story When the mother and her child were out on a canoe trip, she went to urinate in the bushes when 2 men raped her. they took her canoe and tied it to theirs and went canoeing through the area with her and her son. They were forcing her to drink alchohol and one of them raped her a second time in the water right in front of her boy.

There was this case I was wondering the name of the guy that did it. It was an old UM. It was in Missouri and this guy was dating this girl. Well when they went to college the relationship went sour, and the girl dumped the guy. Well the guy went nuts and eventually he broke into her house at like 5 in the morning and murdered her parents and also stabbed the friend of one of her siblings that was staying over. The guy like went on the run or something but was caught a year or two later when he was profiled on UM. It was in Missouri in 1988 or 1989.


Gosh that sounds like the Rick Church case?

For me the KC Fire Department Explosion one... that's just so sad. All the missing/murdered kids, I don't really like those stories. The Camp case just makes me angry.

Speaking of Angry why is Bell elgible for Parole? I with Ricci on this one, I'm not a big believer in the death penalty but if anyone is perfect for it's Bell (shoot,reload and kill one man, attempt to kill pursuing police, break in and attempt to assault a woman). If Texas releases this guy then they should make the parole board members host him in their home for 2 years at a time.:mad:

The reason why he is eligible for parole is because he was senteced according to 1978 sentencing guidelines in Texas. I am assuming this was before the death penalty was reinstated in Texas. I dont know if the death penalty had been reinstated in Texas by that time or not. I believe in 1972 it was ruled unconstitutional only to be reversed in 1976. I believe 1976 was the last year where there were no executions in the US. Also in 1978 there was no such thing as a life without parole sentence, at least not in most states, including Texas. I believe Bell fought the charges so he got a larger sentence than he would have got had he just pled guilty. Back then though without the death penalty even if you were sentenced to life you were still eligible for parole. So if Bell lives long enough he will be released. He will be 73 when first eligible for parole in 2013 and his release date is in 2023 when he will be 83 if he hasnt received parole before that time. Pretty bad I know, but they sentence people according to what the sentencing guidelines were at the time the crime was committed. Had Bell been sentenced according to the guidelines at the time of his arrest he would have most likely got either life without parole or he would have got death.

Well here in Minnesota is a prime example of guy's getting off easy because they ran and when arrested they were sentenced according to sentencing guidelines at the time of the crime. In 1970, St. Paul police officer Jim Sackett was murdered while he and his partner responded to what later turned out to be a phony 911 call. In 2005, 35 years after the crime two men in their mid 50's were arrested for the murder of Jim Sackett. In February and April of this year the two men were both convicted. However, these two men Ronald Reed and Larry Clark were both sentenced according to 1970 sentencing guidelines. They were sentenced to life in prison however because of the 1970 sentencing guidelines they will be eligible for parole after serving 17 years.

Well I found info on Rick Church. This was the only one I found in the Missouri Department of Corrections so I am assuming this is him. Church has been released from prison. The guy I found his legal name is Ricky Allan Church. He was born on March 25th, 1967. His inmate No is 11850. I am assuming he was just released in the last 5 years or so. The agency he was released to was the Audrain County Jail and they released him from there. Cant believe he got out already. They must have cut him a pretty sweet deal. I think he spared the state a trial or something so he got concurrent sentences and I think he was pled down to a lesser count of murder.

Well I found info on Rick Church. This was the only one I found in the Missouri Department of Corrections so I am assuming this is him. Church has been released from prison. The guy I found his legal name is Ricky Allan Church. He was born on March 25th, 1967. His inmate No is 11850. I am assuming he was just released in the last 5 years or so. The agency he was released to was the Audrain County Jail and they released him from there. Cant believe he got out already. They must have cut him a pretty sweet deal. I think he spared the state a trial or something so he got concurrent sentences and I think he was pled down to a lesser count of murder.

Please tell me your kidding! The guy mudered two people and stabbed two others, then fled from police for a few years..... and he's released?!?!?

I wonder how Colleen feels about all of this.

Unfortunatly I am not kidding on this one. I assumed this was the same Rick Church but he was the only one in the Missouri Department of Corrections. I was surprised too that he had been released. Two counts of felony murder plus he went on the run. I believe the murders took place in 1987 or 1988. Church I think was on the run for three or four years, he was caught in 1990 or 1991 if I remember right. Church murdered two people attempted to murder a third and would have murdered the whole family including his ex girlfriend if he would have been able to. He cut a pretty good deal with the state from the sounds of it.

Unfortunatly I am not kidding on this one. I assumed this was the same Rick Church but he was the only one in the Missouri Department of Corrections.

It can't be the same Rick Church. The murders he committed occurred in Illinois.

Also, you may want to go to the following link and go to the bottom of the page.

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2005/08/the_allegedly_c.html

Wow Kane great you found that and thanks for setting the record straight. I apologize to everyone for the error I made on this. That Rick Church and the one in Missouri were not that far apart in age, the one in Missouri was born in 1967 while I believe the Rick Church in Illinois was born in 1968 or 1969. I dont know why I thought the crimes had been committed in Missouri. I dont know if I had it confused with someone else or not. It had been a long time since I saw the case. Again I apologize for the error on my part, I am glad that he is still in prison and that justice was served. I am sorry if I confused anyone and Kane thanks for finding that info.

Wow Kane great you found that and thanks for setting the record straight. I apologize to everyone for the error I made on this. That Rick Church and the one in Missouri were not that far apart in age, the one in Missouri was born in 1967 while I believe the Rick Church in Illinois was born in 1968 or 1969. I dont know why I thought the crimes had been committed in Missouri. I dont know if I had it confused with someone else or not. It had been a long time since I saw the case. Again I apologize for the error on my part, I am glad that he is still in prison and that justice was served. I am sorry if I confused anyone and Kane thanks for finding that info.

You are welcome. And apology accepted. :)

The initial error was understandable. I think it goes to show that a surname like Church may be more common than you think.

Missouri is right next to Illinois, so that might be why you mistakenly thought the crimes occurred in Missouri. Another reason might be that you (correctly) believed that it was a murder case from the Midwest. It could be either of those reasons or both.

Those teenagers had an Iron Maiden "Purgatory" shirt if I remember. Another one had a Metal Hex shirt. They both were caught about the same time the segment was first broadcast in 1990. The sad case that I remember was the mom who was kidnapped with her child. Her body was tied and thrown over a river. She was made to sign a note to pretend she was alive. The child was never found.

As a parent, the ones with missing/kidnapped kids get me the most.

This my first post here but have been reading for awhile. Kidnapped kids are the ones that get to me too.

I read an older post about the Baskin children who were kidnapped by their maternal grandparents. There was mention of a "scary update". Can anyone tell me what the scary update on that case was?

TIA!

I would have to say that "Friends to the End" was pretty heartbreaking because (a) the boys were so young and (b) the police never even tried to find out anything during the first investigation. That's the thing I can't stand. They had a murder. You would think they would do what they could to solve said murder. I think the first medical examiner should've been repremanded or something because he chalked it all up to the boys having "smoked 20 marijuana cigarettes". I'm sorry, but even the most die-hard of potheads would never smoke 20 joints. Ludicrous.

I honestly think that the guy in the military fatigues had something to do with it AND I think the police officials in Arkansas know nothing about investigating murder cases.

To name one, I'd have to say the Jenny Pratt case, it really got to me when she wondered who would hate hate her so much to do such a thing :(

This my first post here but have been reading for awhile. Kidnapped kids are the ones that get to me too.

I read an older post about the Baskin children who were kidnapped by their maternal grandparents. There was mention of a "scary update". Can anyone tell me what the scary update on that case was?

TIA!


It wasn't really scary at all - They just played some "scary music" instead of usually their update music because the case wasn't (and still isn't) solved.

The update basically said that the Baskin children had been spotted in California where they were living with their grandparents, Marvin and Sandra Maple. The Maples were going under the name Ray and Sandra Farmer and had dubbed their grandchildren Robin and Robbie. The update mentioned that The Maples had left town with the children before they could be apprehended

I have ambigious feelings about this update. I admit it was important to get the message across that as of the summer of 1989, the baskin children were in California.

However it is equally important to note that since this update aired there has been no sign (at least that the public is aware of) of The Baskin children and that was over seventeen years ago!

I think the case being profiled on "Unsolved Mysteries" spooked the grandparents even more and possibly they took the children out of the country or into an "underground railroad" type program as I've mentioned previously. There is also the possibility that the children may no longer be alive.

I don't know part of me wishes the authorities would have been a little more stealth in their pursuit of the baskin children. But then on the other hand the update in question didn't air until after the maples had again vanished with the children to part unknown.

Its just sad all around.

I have a few in mind, but I was just finishing watching my UM dvd favs and hands down Amber Swartz case creeped me out. Along with the other missing girls...omg that man is a creep!!

Michelle

I think all the Lost Loves episodes that don't get updated are sad to me.

grbush82, what was the Amber Swartz case about?

The Amber Swartz case was about a little girl who her mother gave permission to go out and jump rope while she was waiting for her friend to arrive. When the friends arrive Amber was nowhere to be seen and has never been found. I believe Tim Bindner is a suspect in her disappearance as well as several other girls disappearances. An interesting note, I have the NBC version of the Michaela Garecht case and at the end they do a quick mention of Amber Swartz' disappearance and show a picture of her. They don't show it on the Lifetime airings. I suppose when they decided to do an entire segment on Amber they just deleted that part at the end of Michaela's story.

To get back to the title of the thread I thought of two more heartbreaking cases. The story of George Owens, the elderly man who disappeared while seeming confused on his way to pick up his wife at the train station. His car was found soon after but no trace of George ever has.

Also the story of Bill Day who was searching for his son Christophe. His ex-wife Betty had left with him. In the later airings of the segment there is an update that said Bill did track down Betty (living in another country) and learned that Christophe had died something like a year earlier of leukemia and his father was never able to reunite with him before his death. :(

Every time I catch the "Campus Murder Expose" segment I get a little bit choked up. That poor mother. During her interviews, pre-UPDATE, she's just so obviously distraught. She's been crying and laments, "I cain't thank, I cain't eight, I cain't sleep..." and you can hear, as well as see, just how deep her pain is at having her dughter so horribly snatched away from her. It is tear-inducing when she describes the images she sees in her head thinking about Brooke's murder.

The first time I saw it I was so rooting for an UPDATE, so her mother could get the justice she is so desperately seeking. Then the update comes and we find out what really happened to Brooke. The murder, akin to a lot of UPDATEs on UM, actually had nothing to do with any of the theories postulated on the segment and was resolved in really such a standard and uninteresting way.

As horrible and sad as the previous interviews with her were, I truly feel the the saddest part of the whole segment comes when they cut back to Brooke's mother and she just dejectedly declares "We miss Brooke". She's still empty. She found out what happened, justice was served as far as it could be, and yet its still unsatisfying. As soon as I heard her say that there was "partial closure" I wanted to pimp slap the interviewer for asking the question. Gawd I hate when reporters or interviewers try to define the limits of someone's grief like that. "Is there any closure?" "Do you get a sense of closure"? "I know your daughter's life was brutally ended and she was suddenly stolen away from you, as well as someone else's lovely daughter because the police failed get DNA samples from a friend of a guy your daughter had dated, but now that the sick bastard is caught...has this brought closure?"

Is there a more vapid and asinine term?

To me, "Did you get any closure?" is right up there with, "You lost your daugher in a horrific murder. How did THAT feel?"

Katherine Korzilius.
Gordon Page Jr.
George Owens.
Canadian aboriginal women forced to give up their children, and all those Depression-era mothers whose kids were taken away and families split up by the social welfare people.
Joan Gay Croft.
Amy Billig.

The story that was heartbreaking to me was the woman and her two teen daughters who took a trip to Disneyland in Florida. I think their last name was Rogers, but I'm not sure. The three of them were murdered in the most horrific manner. They were tied to cinder blocks and thrown overboard a boat while they were alive. Fortunately, the killer was caught. What an animal.

Yes Oba Chandler I think was the guy's name that did that. I could be wrong, but I want to say it was him. He actually wasnt caught until a couple of years after the murders. He was sentenced to death and is currently still on death row on Florida. However with Florida being the latest state to have problems with executions that are so bad they cant execute anyone I dont see him getting executed anytime soon.

Yes Oba Chandler I think was the guy's name that did that. I could be wrong, but I want to say it was him. He actually wasnt caught until a couple of years after the murders. He was sentenced to death and is currently still on death row on Florida. However with Florida being the latest state to have problems with executions that are so bad they cant execute anyone I dont see him getting executed anytime soon.
That's right. I never saw the UM segment on this case; however, last week I watched another show (Forensic Files perhaps?..I watch so many), and there was a reference to how UM profiled the case. Chandler was a smooth operator, and I don't mean that as a compliment. He just knew how to play and use women to his advantage and to their disadvantage. He's going straight to hell.

Some other ones, Kari Lynn Nixon, didnt they find the guy that killed her? I thought they had an update where they said they arrested a guy, or a guy that was already in prison or something admitted that he killed her. What was his name? Some other ones, Angela Hammond, that was a scary one, I will never forget her kidnapper saying "I didnt even need to use the phone anyway." Her town of Clinton, Missouri was in the news a few days ago when those elks clubs members were hurt when a floor in an old building collapsed. Gordon Page Jr, I think there has been sightings of him over the years and I actually believe these to be credible. I actually think there is a good chance he is still alive and wandering around the country. Joe and Mattie Harvey being murdered by their beloved niece and her boyfriend for money was sad. Dexter Stofonek the elderly gentleman murdered at a rest stop. Jay and Tanya two trusting teenagers that were murdered in Washington state in 1987. Lisa Kimmel, being murdered by that pig Dale Wayne Eaton. Eaton I believe is a serial rapist and killer. I just cant believe that Kimmel was his first or last kill. The Wendy Camp case where she, her daughter and sister in law were murdered by her ex husband Chad Noe and his mother. I know they did it and they have got away with murder for all these years. It is pretty sick. Finally, those people in Texas and southwest Arkansas that were murdered in like a 24 hour timespan in 1988 by two bored teenagers, William Glen Henry and Davey Lynn Crockett. Thankfully Henry and Crockett are both still in prison. They were sentenced to life when they should have got death. Henry and Crockett were both first eligible for parole last year but both were denied. Henry has appearantly been a model prisoner but Crockett got in trouble in the 90's for smuggling a gun into prison. Crockett got an additional ten years in prison on top of his life sentence for that.
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The Scott Johnson murder.

Sorry to be terrible with names again, but the one about the woman who was battling her ex-husband for custody of their young son. I believe it happened in the early to mid 70s. The ex-husband took the son and disappeared. She tracked them down a few times but they were able to slip away. I saw this one a few months ago and there was an update at the end. The son's wife had called the mother and told her that he did not wish to see her. I felt really bad for her. Her ex-husband must have told their son some terrible things about his mother for him to not want to see her. Or maybe he felt she had abandoned him. We only got her side of the story, too, so perhaps she wasn't telling the whole truth and there's another reason. We'll probably never know, but it was still very sad.

The case of Gordon Page JR breaks my heart. I pray for him often. I used to work with austistics and developmentally disabled individuals (as I have a family member that is as well) and I've always had a soft spot for them. It's terrible to wonder whether he is wondering around lost or if he met with foul play by someone taking advantage of his disability.

Didn't they find some of his belongings including his beloved baseball cards under an overpass soon after he went missing? I also read an account on a girl's website about her talking to him or someone close to him in her gym? Something like that. Anyways, that's my two cents.

Didn't they find some of his belongings including his beloved baseball cards under an overpass soon after he went missing? I also read an account on a girl's website about her talking to him or someone close to him in her gym? Something like that. Anyways, that's my two cents.


Yeah, the baseball cards were arranged in order of his favorite players, so that account sounds like its credible. The girl that spotted him in the gym I believe was in California. I'm not sure if that one's credible or not. Gordon would have had to hitchhiked his way from Michigan to California, and certainly would have been a memorable passenger, so I'm not too sure about that one.

So do you think he's dead or just wandering hopelessly? I can't decide. I hate to think it, but surely by now something would have surfaced, I lean towards him meeting with foul play.

Jill and Julie Hansen. The two girls that were murdered when there trailer was set on fire. Donny is gulity

Amy Billig and that case of the adopted lady who tried for years in vain to find her blood family since she had leukemia or something that required a bone marrow transplant but she died without ever finding her family.

I think her last name was Cuttles or something like that.

So do you think he's dead or just wandering hopelessly? I can't decide. I hate to think it, but surely by now something would have surfaced, I lean towards him meeting with foul play.

Unfortunately, I don't think the odds of him being found alive are very good. This is somewhat like the George Owens case where you have somebody that perhaps cannot take care of themselves entirely, and they've been missing for many years, so as much as I want him to be found alive and safe, I've got a bad feeling it's not going to happen.

The Story When the mother and her child were out on a canoe trip, she went to urinate in the bushes when 2 men raped her. they took her canoe and tied it to theirs and went canoeing through the area with her and her son. They were forcing her to drink alchohol and one of them raped her a second time in the water right in front of her boy.

Another old thread bump... Sorry guys, if Im annoying the heck out of anyone, feel free to let me know...

I just remembered this segment, and it really disturbed the crap out of me. How terrible.... I cant even imagine.

Another old thread bump... Sorry guys, if Im annoying the heck out of anyone, feel free to let me know...

I just remembered this segment, and it really disturbed the crap out of me. How terrible.... I cant even imagine.


no, you're not annoying us. welcome to the boards. :wave:

"Always, Karen" is one of the most saddest episodes I have seen. I cry every time.

the saddest story for me is the Theresa Wilson case and the Cayedito case...

[QUOTE=kamy]The case of Gordon Page JR breaks my heart. [QUOTE]

I totally agree.

When his dad said, "I just wish I would have opened the door and taken him back to Florida with us... Then he wouldn't be missing" I almost lost it. Things don't usually get me like that, but you could feel this poor father's pain. Knowing his son was out there somewhere and not being able to help him. Ugh.

I realize all the missing person ones (especially kids) are tough, but this one just really got to me.

Yes, it is sad about Gordon Page Jr, it was tough to watch, you can tell Gordon Page Sr regrets that every day and thinks about it everyday about not just packing up Gordie and taking him back to Florida.

I wonder if Gordon Page Jr is still alive? There have been many sightings over the years of him or at least people that looked like him, I read somewhere (was it on this board?) that someone in San Francisco thought they saw Gordon Page Jr.

The baseball cards being found in order under the bridge 6 weeks after he disappeared is an indication that Gordon Page Jr was alive for at least 6 weeks after he disappeared.

The one that always pulled at my heartstrings was the Rachael Runyan murder. I am originally from the Sunset Utah area and attended Doxey Elementary School where she was abducted. I was just a few years older than Rachael and played at the same playground. She was such a beautiful little girl. I've met the family and they are very kind people. Rachael's case was reopened recently (Aug 26th was the 25th anniversary of her abduction) and they held a memorial at the playground. Very sad...
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Heartbreaking cases for me are:

-"Debby" - I always skip this segment on Volume 1, I just can't handle watching it.
-Blind River Murders, both the actor playing the killer and the police composite creeps me out
-Diana/Crystal Reimer, she's the little girl that was found abandoned at a supermarket and told authorities that "mommy was in the trees". Her mom was found dead in the woods and Mike Reimer, the husband was a suspect. He has also disappeared, but the police don't know if he fell victim to the same killer or if he was the perp. His name does not show up on either theyaremissed.org charleyproject.org or doenetwork.org so I don't know if the authorities have solved this case. At the end of the segment, Crystal brings a bunch of little knick-knack to a picture of her mom, left on her granny's nightstand because she wants to show it to her mom. Gets me every time.:(
-Roxann Jeeves and her son.
-All the abduction cases, it's hard to just pick one. They are all heartbreaking.

Another one that sticks in my head is Lee Selwyn. A popular DJ and motorcycle enthusiast who was run off the road and killed by a guy in a white blazer with a bad case of road rage. They caught the guy and it was creepy how identical he was to the composite.

Remember Gus Hoffman? The teenager who fixed up an old Harley and took it out for a spin, never to be seen alive again? Still gives me the heebiejeebies.

Here is a list of the segments that make me sad- others I can watch without tearing up to begin with, then something a loved one has said about the victim makes me cry! These include:

Campus Murder Expose- when Brooke Baker's mother was interviewed after Brooke's killer was sentenced to life without parole. She looked so sick and so sad :( she stated: 'we miss Brooke.....and we always will it's just she's not here anymore...there's some closure knowing that he will never be on the streets again to hurt anyone ekse, he will never touch another girl, he will never hurt another family, as long as he stays where he's at.' (I recently discovered that Brooke Baker's mother (I think her name is Janet?) passed away in 2002 and is buried next to her daughter- when I read that it made me even more upset!

Megan Curl- this innocent woman was tied to her bed, her throat was cut very deeply and then the bed was set on fire! I couldn't believe that someone could be so cruel to another person like that! I felt sorry for her mother and how they still haven't identified Megan's killer after a ecade of investigation.

Ashley Freeman and Lauria Bible- very sad case....and very mysterious! I am sure we all know this story so I won't explain it. When Lauria's father was interviewed and stated that they still had the Christmas tree up in their house (they had kept it up because Lauria had put it up herself) and they didn't want to take it down :( man I was in tears!

Always Karen- now I know this one has been mentioned and so it should be....poor Karen died only days before her wedding to a wonderful man...and the whole three musketeers thing- karen and her parents made me cry so much!

Elliot Ness- now I know this sounds weird but I actually felt sorry for Elliot Ness when he wasn't ever able to solve the case of the Torso slayer in Cleveland. He seemed to me to be a perfectionist so I could relate to him and the fact that he believed that he knew who the killer was but never could obtain enough evidence frustrated me too! Then Elliot Ness lost the election and never returned to law enforcement...that was sad too because he seemed so passionate about his job and it was like his spirit was broken...

Huey Long- obvioulsy it was tragic that Mr. Long was killed, but I feel very sad for Carl Wiese (not sure how to spell it) he was the man that went to stick up for his father in law (a judge) who was going to be diposed by Huey Long. Then he was killed instantly with about 60 bullets by Long's bodyguards as they believed that Carl had attempted to shoot Long. That was sad because he was a nice man and he was just trying to talk nicely to Mr. Long and it was misinterpreted. I feel bad for his son too who never got to know his father because he was only a baby when Carl was killed :(

of course I could go on but these are the ones that stick out in my memory

The most heartbreaking is watching Gord Mcallister talk about not caring if the killer came back for him after the killer had taken his wife away from him :(

I'm with you on Elliot Ness and Huey Long/Carl Wiese. I think Mr. Weiss was either just going to talk to him or as some believe take a swing at him, not kill him. You don't shoot someone just because they gerrymander your father-in-law out of his judgeship. I know there was a plot to kill Long but I'd bet you dollars to doughnuts it was one of his own bodyguards, the ones that killed Wiese and "accidentally" shot Long. I don't think Wiese had anything to do with it and I hope his family clears his name.

I think Gordon Page may be still around, we just don't know where.

Elliot Ness- now I know this sounds weird but I actually felt sorry for Elliot Ness when he wasn't ever able to solve the case of the Torso slayer in Cleveland. He seemed to me to be a perfectionist so I could relate to him and the fact that he believed that he knew who the killer was but never could obtain enough evidence frustrated me too! Then Elliot Ness lost the election and never returned to law enforcement...that was sad too because he seemed so passionate about his job and it was like his spirit was broken...

I can actually identify with Eliot Ness in that regard: Someone who was devoted to attaining a certain goal, only to find it unattainable. Who could blame him for being bitterly disappointed about his failure to solve the Torso slayer case? I certainly don't blame him. By all accounts, he never completely recovered from it. :(

When you're that dedicated to reaching a goal that means a lot to you, failure is bound to be very hard to take.

Yes Eliot Ness, the poor guy. He had the public and his own force throw him under the bus because he couldn't solve the case when he busted his butt trying to solve the case. Plus he had the possible killer taunting him via postcards. Ness I guess in his later years turned to alcohol and drank heavily in the last 15 or so years of his life. He died of a massive heart attack at the age of 54 in 1957.

Not solving the Torso Slayings bothered Ness but it was his involvement in a drunken driving accident in 1942 that led to his downfall in Cleveland. His drinking took a toll on him from that point on.

the saddest case was Rogest Cain. It seemed so hopeful at first but he was never seen again.

I agree with all said cases. the Anette Burnside segment gets to me. the acting in the segment was decent. it was so sad that she was beat on a regular basis. her husband even threatened to kill their young daughter. than watching her screaming and running for help only to be stabbed to death. harrowing stuff. :mad: I remember when she began running out of the car I blurted out "holy sh*t!!!" :eek: on a lighter note we got the infamous quote that is both creepy and funny "He looked at me like he was about to enjoy a large Steak." :)

The Campus Calamity expose. I feel so bad for the kid's parents. their son was thought to perhaps have been in a homosexual relationship w/ another student that went sour. the other student began harassing him and calling him. for one reason or other he was cleared of suspicion. his body was never found I believe. or was found by a bridge. the Dad's quote "His room looked like he was about to come back. I kept expecting him to walk through the door." really made me sad. :(

I agree with all said cases. the Anette Burnside segment gets to me. it was so sad that she was beat on a regular basis. her husband even threatened to kill their young daughter. than watching her screaming and running for help only to be stabbed to death. harrowing stuff. :mad: I remember when she began running out of the car I blurted out "holy sh*t!!!" :eek: on a lighter note we got the infamous quote that is both creepy and funny "He looked at me like he was about to enjoy a large Steak." :)

The Campus Calamity expose. I feel so bad for the kid's parents. their son was thought to perhaps have been in a homosexual relationship w/ another student that went sour. the other student began harassing him and calling him. for one reason or other he was cleared of suspicion. his body was never found I believe. or was found by a bridge. the Dad's quote "His room looked like he was about to come back. I kept expecting him to walk through the door." really made me sad. :(

Loretta Myers, the elderly woman suffering from Alzheimer's disease who disappeared under mysterious circumstances. That scene where she's wandering around outside in the middle of the night in tears because she thought someone stole her car is so heartbreaking.