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skunk ape 06-23-2006, 01:42 AM Did they ever find the triggerman with the long blonde hair and the motorcycle?
This case was about Anita's murder that apparently Mel Green ordered. He is behind bars now, but the triggerman is still out there enjoying his house that Mel gave him the money for to kill Anita.
Anita's friend, Michele Samit writes a book about the case, entitled "No Sanctuary" and was punched by an unknown assailant and had her house vandalized by what you are lead to believe is the long-haired blonde man that shot Anita. This harrassment campaign seems to be ordered by Mel Green as he sits in prison. You would think that Mel's visitors would get their ID checked and verified so they can capture the killer.
What I want to know is what did Anita's divorce attorney mean when she says during the segment, "both Anita and Mel were indirectly acknowledging that Anita knew where the bodies were buried."?
1990 UM fan 10-20-2011, 08:17 AM Did they ever find the triggerman with the long blonde hair and the motorcycle?
This case was about Anita's murder that apparently Mel Green ordered. He is behind bars now, but the triggerman is still out there enjoying his house that Mel gave him the money for to kill Anita.
Anita's friend, Michele Samit writes a book about the case, entitled "No Sanctuary" and was punched by an unknown assailant and had her house vandalized by what you are lead to believe is the long-haired blonde man that shot Anita. This harrassment campaign seems to be ordered by Mel Green as he sits in prison. You would think that Mel's visitors would get their ID checked and verified so they can capture the killer.
What I want to know is what did Anita's divorce attorney mean when she says during the segment, "both Anita and Mel were indirectly acknowledging that Anita knew where the bodies were buried."?
I'm surprised no one has commented on this in 5 years. As far as I know, the hitman has never been caught. Maybe he is incarcerated for another crime or dead. What surprises me is if the guy who visited Mel Green in prison is the hitman, why is there no record of him visiting the prison? I think visitors are required to sign in and have a state ID card in order to visit someone that's imprisoned. The police totally dropped the ball on this one. The only thing they got right was putting Mel away for life but not nabbing the hitman who was right there and could've been apprehended. I never heard anything about any "bodies" the Greens have denied knowing about, I'll have to watch the segment again.
NDAlum2003 11-30-2011, 11:30 PM I am bumping this one back because there seems to be precious little discussion about this case. This case was obviously very high profile many years ago but now there is little information online as compared to what I thought there would be.
I think Michele Samit's theory has some credibility. I read her book and it gives you probably some of the best info on this case. It would be great if there were a book like this one on every case.
As far as I know, Mel Green still is in prison in California, and the hitman has never been caught.
JEREMYN 12-01-2011, 09:30 PM i think michele samit now has a facebook
1990 UM fan 12-01-2011, 10:24 PM i think michele samit now has a facebook
Yes she does, I just found her. I'm glad to see she's still around and doing alright. I'm curious to know what she's found out about Anita's death since her appearance on the show?
JEREMYN 12-01-2011, 10:46 PM yes i emailed her abt the fact did the prison have a sign up sheet for visitor log and maybe that could help find the killer
JEREMYN 12-01-2011, 10:48 PM just realized something in the unsolved mysteries version of robert stack when the guy was visiting mel he was on the phone across from him my question is do the police record prisoner and visitor conversations?
1990 UM fan 12-01-2011, 11:11 PM yes i emailed her abt the fact did the prison have a sign up sheet for visitor log and maybe that could help find the killer
when did you e-mail her?
JEREMYN 12-01-2011, 11:39 PM few hours ago
1990 UM fan 12-02-2011, 12:41 AM few hours ago
has she replied back?
JEREMYN 12-02-2011, 01:49 AM not yet
NDAlum2003 12-02-2011, 05:09 AM I've still not understood why they were not able to get the info from the visitor log since visiting a prisoner is not exactly an easy process to get in and out. Everything is documented. However I believe California may have more laws to protect the prisoner. Maybe visitor logs are not subject to public record? An interesting thought to pursue.
I did correspond with Michele through Facebook. She is very sweet.
JEREMYN 12-02-2011, 09:07 AM i saw her she was online and stuff but i guess she either saw the email and ignored it or she was just busy and didnt have a chance to look at it i contacted her on facebook
JEREMYN 12-02-2011, 09:25 AM plus why didnt the police do search on the motorcycle type the witness saw while on the roof?
JEREMYN 12-02-2011, 09:37 AM i saw the dennis farina version of the anita green case on in the recreation the guard and michele samit before michele samit when into interview with mel green i saw the guard sign a sheet and put it on the door im assuming that is a visitor sign in sheet
QuenSolen 05-23-2012, 06:05 PM I've said it in another thread, but I'll say it again here.
Michelle had the killer in her grasp and she let him get away, assuming the killer is the man that visited Mel in jail.
Michelle stated that she had a half hour between the time she got in her car and the time the man exited the prison. So why the heck did she NOT take down all the license plates of the motorbikes, along with a brief description of the bikes? On top of that, if she suspected this was the man, she should've placed a call to the detective in charge of the investigation to bring him down to the prison. If he didn't make it in time to question the man, he still would've gotten the license plate and been able to track him down.
I know she was probably feeling the stress of the moment, but she had a lot of time to think, and I'm really surprised that this plan just didn't occur to her.
drMorgus 03-13-2018, 01:44 PM I saw this segment again on lifetime it is as clear cut a case as we have ever seen. Mel is clearly guilty just him saying that man is a homeowner because of me. I have to say though I to feel Michelle dropped the ball as it were but I too think to myself that what would I have done in that same situation? Would I have gotten the license plate on the bike? I could only hope so. I think her biggest mistake was to tell Mel what she thought happened and that is when all the trouble started for her. One cannot ignore that indeed I too agree that the police dropped the ball on this case for sure. There is no reason why they should not have been able to check out the visitor logs and start looking to some of those visitors. This is one of those cases where you shake your head and marvel at all of the mistakes that were made. I guess the only real solace in this case is that Mel got life in prison.
dynoguy88 03-13-2018, 02:25 PM I've said it in another thread, but I'll say it again here.
Michelle had the killer in her grasp and she let him get away, assuming the killer is the man that visited Mel in jail.
Michelle stated that she had a half hour between the time she got in her car and the time the man exited the prison. So why the heck did she NOT take down all the license plates of the motorbikes, along with a brief description of the bikes? On top of that, if she suspected this was the man, she should've placed a call to the detective in charge of the investigation to bring him down to the prison. If he didn't make it in time to question the man, he still would've gotten the license plate and been able to track him down.
I know she was probably feeling the stress of the moment, but she had a lot of time to think, and I'm really surprised that this plan just didn't occur to her.
But she did NOT have a lot of time to think. The thought that the man looked like the police composite sketch of Anita's shooter came to her after the 30 minutes had passed, while he was getting on his motorcycle. And by that point, it's kind of asking a lot to be able to make out the numbers on a tiny license plate from across a parking lot.
The segment made no mention of it but I would have to assume that Michelle contacted the detective once that thought crossed her mind. I don't know what the protocol is for visiting someone in prison but I'm assuming this man that visited Mel had to have signed in with a fake name. Otherwise, he would have been caught or questioned by now.
drew790 03-13-2018, 11:49 PM I don't think she really started to realize it until later in the parking lot and by that point how would she know he drive in on a motorcycle rather than a car, let alone which one would have been his.
I think she probably is right. I do wonder though why he'd just bang up her gate rather than just outright kill her though. Mel doesn't seem the type to do subtle, and letting the incident pass would have been a more effective way to throw off her theory than having her start getting stalked and threatened for it.
As an aside, I love that when that Investigation Discovery show did this story they cast a fitness model to play Mel.
MegtheEgg86 11-26-2018, 07:29 PM I'm reading No Sanctuary again for the first time in about seven years. There were a LOT of things I had forgotten in Samit's gem of a telling about this case.
The book is subtitled The True Story of a Rabbi's Deadly Affair, but said rabbi is mentioned almost as something of an afterthought in the UM segment. His name is Steven B. Jacobs, ordained in the Reform tradition, and although now retired he is certainly not an unknown within the rabbinate. He marched with and spoke alongside Jesse Jackson for decades, and during the Vietnam War helped resettle refugee families. At the time of Anita's marriage to Mel Green in 1981, he was the senior rabbi at Temple Judea in Tarzana, CA.
Intriguingly, Samit paints a picture of a man who was something of an egomaniac, with a sensitivity for any indication that anyone else in the congregation might be gaining any degree of popularity over him, or attracting attention away from himself. When he suddenly decided it would be best to fire the beloved cantor (a cantor is responsible for singing the prayers in worship services and events like funerals), his reasoning being that said cantor could read only transliterated Hebrew instead of the real thing, Temple Judea went into a frenzy. Jacobs issued an ultimatum: the congregation had to choose between keeping the cantor, or keeping him as rabbi. Long story short, it took about four rabbis aside from Jacobs himself and a congregational vote to get it sorted out. They kept the cantor, and subsequently Jacobs decided to leave to start another temple, taking about eight couples from Temple Judea with him. Anita and Mel were one of those couples.
From 1983 to her murder in 1990, the main push in Anita's life was to see the building of a new temple to house this new congregation, which they named Shir Chadash. For those that haven't read the book, to say that this became nearly an obsession for Anita is an understatement. Anita's motives, according to Samit's telling, however, didn't appear to rest solely on a singular devotion to her faith. Anita was obsessed with the dynamic, charismatic, well-known and well-loved rabbi, and sought his approval with fervor.
For his part, in the wake of Anita's death he lied to police several times about the nature of their relationship, and once ultimately found out, begged them not to ruin his reputation by publicizing it. He would marry his third wife less than a year after Anita's death, and is now apparently married to Betty Yee, the current California state controller. A temple building to house Shir Chadash never actually materialized, despite a groundbreaking ceremony. Jacobs would go on to help found Temple Kol Tikvah with the Shir Chadash congregation and another breakaway Reform congregation, and that temple still exists today.
All of this to say that the focus on Mel Green works for a fifteen minute segment, but not at all in the telling of the full story. Anita's involvement with Jacobs really was such a huge part of it, and it seems so curious that the segment really all but left much of that out. Mel Green may have been conspicuously slimy, but Jacobs at various points in the book seems even worse: a guy with a facade of great respectability (one that he still seems to enjoy, in fact), but who goes running to police in the wake of his mistress's brutal assassination not to help find the killer, but to beg the cops not to air his dirty laundry.
That's not to say Mel gets off the hook. By all accounts, he was an insufferably jealous and obnoxious man liked by nearly no one, and I absolutely believe he hired someone to murder his wife because she had the audacity to ask for a divorce. But I don't think he's the only bad guy here. He might by far be the worst of them--but he's certainly not the only one.
Apparently Samit, who was a member of Shir Chadash at the time, was strongly ostracized--if not outrightly shunned--by her community for writing the book, which was extremely critical of Jacobs.
DazzlerSparkler 11-27-2018, 03:40 AM Is this on prime
MegtheEgg86 11-27-2018, 10:28 AM Is this on prime
Yes. It's on Season 6, episode 18, second segment.
dynoguy88 11-27-2018, 11:11 AM Intriguingly, Samit paints a picture of a man who was something of an egomaniac, with a sensitivity for any indication that anyone else in the congregation might be gaining any degree of popularity over him, or attracting attention away from himself. When he suddenly decided it would be best to fire the beloved cantor (a cantor is responsible for singing the prayers in worship services and events like funerals), his reasoning being that said cantor could read only transliterated Hebrew instead of the real thing, Temple Judea went into a frenzy. Jacobs issued an ultimatum: the congregation had to choose between keeping the cantor, or keeping him as rabbi.
For his part, in the wake of Anita's death he lied to police several times about the nature of their relationship, and once ultimately found out, begged them not to ruin his reputation by publicizing it.
He sounds like a nauseating narcissist. And it's a shame that his self image was his top priority over his lover's murder, the fact that her husband had her killed and his role in the destruction of that marriage. Granted, Melvin gets zero sympathy from me but Jacobs certainly is no angel.
It's also a shame that the community would ignore all this horrible behavior on Jacobs part and shun Michele Samit for calling it out.
MegtheEgg86 11-27-2018, 04:43 PM He sounds like a nauseating narcissist. And it's a shame that his self image was his top priority over his lover's murder, the fact that her husband had her killed and his role in the destruction of that marriage. Granted, Melvin gets zero sympathy from me but Jacobs certainly is no angel.
It's also a shame that the community would ignore all this horrible behavior on Jacobs part and shun Michele Samit for calling it out.
I was pretty appalled by all of it. However, it really does put into perspective that these cases involve real people--not characters--and this alone adds so many layers of nuance and complexity that can hardly be rivaled by any work of fiction.
Also, I think I just might be one of those old-fashioned folks who still thinks a religious leader is generally beholden to a certain ethical code, so I bristle whenever I read about that kind of stuff.
Latka Gravas 12-26-2020, 11:41 PM The Anita Green murder is especially disturbing, given that it's fairly obvious that her husband (MG) orchestrated this. I'm surprised that AG continued to work for MG as she was simultaneously trying to get a divorce from him - given his threatening comments, letters, and obvious anger/hatred towards her. But, I guess he had some kind of power/control over her. Glad he went to prison for the rest of his life.
Unlike a lot of these UM cases, this crime happened in broad daylight - with at least one witness (the guy working on the roof) who had a clear view of everything that happened.
Too bad that the actual killer (the guy on the motorcycle) has never been found.
SageSlowdive 11-22-2023, 04:41 PM Might be a hot take:
I've always felt like Michele stretched some of the truth when it came to the segment. She claims she saw a man who looked the composite visit Mel - did the authorities not follow up this lead? For everything I've read, it seems they had no clue. When she went back in, why didn't she ask the prison who that person claimed to be (granted it could have been a fake name, but I'm sure records or cameras could have helped). The best source I could find is that she supposedly identified a suspect to the police.
Also her claim of being assaulted in her front yard seems just a touch far fetched.
schmave 12-02-2023, 04:45 PM I think Michele Samit's claim of assault is one of the more believable things about the entire thing. She strikes me as one of the few people in the entire affair, if not the only person, who comes off well. I include Anita Green in that. Very few people are evil enough to deserve murder, but talk about someone who consistently made some terrible choices in life.
zack007attack 12-03-2023, 10:23 AM It's easy to be surprised that the detectives assigned to the case did not look into the blonde guy who visited Mel Green when he was in holding, since the guy's name would have been in the visitor log and he would have had to show state-issued ID. Keep in mind, this was a professional hit, so maybe the hitman had the foresight to obtain a phony ID so he could gain entry into the visitors' area at the jail. It wasn't mentioned in the segment, but investigators probably did examine the visitor log but the guy's name turned out to be a dead end.
MediaHoarder 12-04-2023, 01:37 AM It's easy to be surprised that the detectives assigned to the case did not look into the blonde guy who visited Mel Green when he was in holding, since the guy's name would have been in the visitor log and he would have had to show state-issued ID. Keep in mind, this was a professional hit, so maybe the hitman had the foresight to obtain a phony ID so he could gain entry into the visitors' area at the jail. It wasn't mentioned in the segment, but investigators probably did examine the visitor log but the guy's name turned out to be a dead end.
Alternatively, they may have indeed tracked him down only to find out he was a dead end, ie. had nothing to do with it. We are dependent on information being up to date in this sense.
I thought it was odd that Mel was convicted in this case without proving any kind of link to the shooter, certainly not something I would have bought.
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