Okay time for me to open a can of worms-


I would like feedback here.



There are a few users, who have been long term traders, that have ended up on the suspended and or banned list.

Now, obviouslly if they have arrived at this point- it was due to outstanding feedback in the negative fashion.
And after observation, or inability to work out a compromise-
That the moderators/administartors decided a suspension or banning was the best option.
Sometimes it is for a cooling off period, sometimes it is in the best interest of the board.


Now, in the past when a banned or suspended user is placed on this list-
If they try to come back, without discussing, future allowance is denied- for the lack of cooperation to the rules.

However, sometimes a user can take the time, work thorugh issues, and under close supervision, with the choice to send first, and understanding people might be skeptical- come back.
Rarely, but sometimes there is an option.

However, over all- Once a user is placed on the banning/suspension list-
Most people don't deal with them again let's face it

So my question is this-

Should they be allowed ot be DISCUSSED after this is done, as they can NOT reply or defend themelves furthor.

There are a couple users, whom are banned for good- and their names/user Id KEEPS popping up.

And as much as they might have been directly responsible for the consequence of BEING banned, the fact is- once they are
they can no longer participate in the discussion.
And therefore as time goes on, facts change, opinions wiggle in, and sometimes the topics get added on, or placed out of proportion.

I have had a couple complaints from a few users, who are on the banned list- but through word of mouth have been told they are still being discussed
and have point blanke emailed me asking
:If I am banned, why do they still need to dicuss me" If I have no trades going, and nothing to do with any of the Sitcoms users anymore, why carry on a conversation about me, that I can't even in the very least comment back"

And another user whom wrote me- and said
"i was removed for poor trading habits- I am trying to take a break, so that I can reform those ways and maybe someday come back and reearn the traders trust- But how can I ever get a fresh slate, if they don't stop whispering nad rumouring about me?"


So there it is- your feedback please-

Do you feel that once a user has been banned that conversations should be allowed?
Should it be left to feedback and facts- leaving opinions and quick jabs out?

Opinions, please
Becuase as a moderator I feel compelled to allowe facts and feedback to be discussed as their bheaviour is relevent
But I do not wish a person to be taunted or mocked, without the ability to defend themselves.

There is a user here whom is banned from another board, and when they were being disucssed on that board, and word got back to them they were frustrated and upset.
Several spoke up for his repuation, I was one of them

And yet, some of those people are engaging in the same behaviour towards another user who is banned on this site.

It seems a hipocrital standing.

Opinons, please.




-Savage

I believe any current member should be able to discuss or mention a banned member's name. The point of that member not being able to reply is the part of being banned. If you would like to reply or defend yourself, be a good trader, then you won't have to worry about it.

There is a user here whom is banned from another board, and when they were being disucssed on that board, and word got back to them they were frustrated and upset.
Several spoke up for his repuation, I was one of them

And yet, some of those people are engaging in the same behaviour towards another user who is banned on this site.

It seems a hipocrital standing.

Opinons, please.




-Savage


I agree

that's why I only taunt those who are on the board and can defend themselves.
I believe in fair fights only. (unlike Monty and the rest of the boys)


Joker who plays fair.

Well the fact is

that these people who got suspended and banned and on the bad trader list

were all Bad Traders

they had screwed over people, Not just 1 or 2 BUT numerous people on this board

I think we can all figure out what 2 females we are talking about here (sheri220 and Collinwood) who are the ones complaining as such
the only other Banned member I have seen mentioned was Wolf11, and he has more important problems on his other boards he was recently banned from!

While I do understand that it might be considered "unfair" to comment on them when they cannot defend themselves---- HOWEVER if u look back at the Bad trader threads about these 2 members in particular---- THEY DIDNT DEFEND THEMSELVES WHEN THEY HAD THE CHANCE! i know sheri220 was asked DIRECT QUESTIONS by several members and the moderator and she did not reply to any of them

Collinwood--- i do not think that she even bothered to respond at all

BOTH of these 2 never once responded to the questions asked of them and never defended themselves about all the complaints--- for them to cry foul now is silly

the way i see it, they had the chance to respond and they chose to "Thumb their noses" at the board and not answer any of the complaints with facts in their defenses---- so if they chose to Ignore this board when direct questions were asked that could have kept them from being banned to start with---- then why is it so hard for them to ignore this board if someone makes a comment in jest now????

get real, this is NOT real life folks, and the recent comments that were made

1. were all made in Joking form, and it was obviously comical in nature
*** you dont see old Lamont whining and crying about jokes made about me being a hillbilly or weedwacker jokes do u? u dont see Lilhave whining about jokes about his age do u? u dont see Loren crying about jabs at his "premium" views do u? NO, b/c we all have LIVES

2. these 2 banned members were not mentioned by name were they? i think there were some references that were inside jokes to those "in the know"


MY OPINION for what its worth it this-----

YES i think it would be wrong if we all started a new thread called "LETS REMEMBER WHAT A BAD TRADER COLLINWOOD IS" or "LETS BASH SHERI220 IN HER PERSONAL LIFE" then that would be wrong
and an unfair attack--- since they have been banned and canned and kicked to the curb, it would be pointless to begin new threads about how bad they were

BUT AT THE SAME TIME---- BOTH of these banned members have had ongoing issues with this board EVEN AFTER BEING BANNED---- Sheri220 for instance, as we recall, pulled COACHJONES into the mess after she was banned-- had him post HER list as HIS list and then tried to sell to people on this site direct! and COACHJONES got banned also. This member ALSO tried to use another member to do her bidding and almost got him into hot water as well----

COLLINWOOD, has repeatedly asked others to get things for her from me, BEHIND MY BACK, once she was banned, and is still diddly d**king people around on this board with her BS trade stories

SO MY QUESTION IS---- if a BANNED member continues to play games with this board, AFTER THEY ARE BANNED---- then why should they be suprised that their names come up with negative inferences?????

I mean, if they QUIETLY Went away, left this board alone and no longer tried to weasle back into it via other people, then that would be one thing--- BUT if they want to keep playing games and keep being "Active" members of this board INCOGNITO that is another thing
---- that is the CRAPOLA that SUE MAPLES and ANDY the western union bandit TURPA pull

THEY ARE BANNED, that means they are NO LONGER WELCOME on this board at all, while they cannot be stopped from reading it, they are NOT welcome and to be honest, i do not see why the moderators, TJ or anyone OWES THEM A THING--- I think any emails from these banned members should just be summarily deleted without reply

to me, this is just another case of certain members making a mountain out of a molehill

a CERTAIN banned member is obsessive by nature and unable to EVER, repeat EVER move on and unable to EVER, repeat EVER stop blaming certain members of this board for their problems in life--- and this to me, is the real problem----
this CERTAIN member could end up Lung Cancer--- and it would be Lorens fault somehow--- this CERTAIN member could end up hit by a car and it would be Lorens fault somehow--- THAT IS JUST HOW SHE THINKS!

if they are so upset by the mention of their names, or even a humorous reference to them, that 99% of the people do not even get---- then my suggestion to them would be

STOP READING THE TRADING POST, stop obsessing over it and move on with their lives!

for the record
i am not saying that these 2 banned and Bad traders are simply "FAIR GAME" to comment on at all

I think that all the current members should try to rise above the lousy members who got banned and not sink to their levels----

so yes, i think there are lines we shouldnt cross and certain levels of maturity we should all adhere to

we are all adults here and should act as such

my point was just that the comments that they are complaining about, were so silly and didnt even mention exactly who, that it is just sort of silly that they got so freaked out over them

i went back and reread some of the comments and just rolled my eyes at the mentality of those who would find the need to contact moderators about them
and complain

and i apologize FOR THEM to savage and TJ for having to deal with the BS of it all

my advice would be to NOT reply to these people at all---- if a moderator sees a comment that crosses the line and that the Moderator NOT the banned member thinks is wrong, then remove it

BUT I think that replying to these people just feeds into them and encourages them to KEEP emailing you and keep finding things to complain about

and that just keeps them Part of the board

ITS LIKE THE EX GIRLFRIEND who holds on to the ex-boyfriends clothes
so that she has an excuse to keep calling him up

there are always valid reasons why a person got banned

the number one reason is they didnt act in a manner which is fair and honest

and as far as i have witnessed, it takes quite a track record to be runfrom this site, for bad trade behavior

so if someone is haveing a belly ache becasue they cant defend themselves

let me ask this

whos actions got them in this position???

the answer is probably themselves in almost every case

i just happen to know every person whos banned for bad trade offenses --from this site, and i have had first hand experience with most of them--they all deserved what they got, and much more

in most cases, banned users CONTINUE to pull crap, and never ever fess up to what they did in the first place

they blame others, or the old, it wasnt me trick

my opinion is if there is a need to mention someone by name, then thats just tuff cookies if some banned scammer thief doesnt like it

whats the difference, their name is proudly dispalyed in the scammer-banned-bad trader area anyhow for all to see


next should there be a process to which a person can make good and be recertified as a member

my opinion is yes

a public admission of all wrong doings,every outstanding issue gets resolved, no new issues for a specified time, and a probationary period after they are reinstated, and a notation on their signature that this memebr was banned for wrong doings and is now trying to clean up their act, etc etc

if a person is willing to go through the above hoops, then i think they deserve another go around

the sticking point would be the make it correct part with the people they stole from

example, when a person makes a deal for a certain item, it may be rather hard to get and not in common circulation at the time, lets say a year later the scammer-thief decides to come correct

its no where near fair for them to send that particular set to make things square, since in that period of time, someone has turned the item loose and its everywhere, or more likely the person who got stolen from, wante dthat set and has made another effort to get it, thus a double or even more cost

the original item may have become near worthless to the person who should have received it in the proper timeframe

or another example, i had a issue with a --now banned person--that ran her mouth and lied to numerous people about me, and also told them that the reason she couldnt fill their orders, was due to loren didnt give her the discs, my reputation was drug through the crapper. i had several people want a piece of my hide, since they were lied to that i somehow owed them items, items i sometimes never ever had, or that i never supplied the banned member as well

this person could never make it correct with me,


and since you asked for an opinion

i would like to see the bad trader--banned-- whatever list posted on the top of the regular board

anything on the top area ---where it is now--only gets 10% or less of the readership as the normal area

this is an very important thing to self police the area, and report wrong doers, i feel every effort should be made to insulate members fron the risk of getting stung, education and awareness are the key tools

this is an very important thing to self police the area, and report wrong doers, i feel every effort should be made to insulate members fron the risk of getting stung, education and awareness are the key tools


Wait a sec, I thought we were the POLICE :confused: and we do it for FREE.

there are certain banned members
who should NEVER EVER EVER be welcomed back
even if they do clean up later on

FOR INSTANCE

andy turppa--- this guy has stolen $$$ from countless members on this site and others-- with this Western Union scam--- he should never be allowed here--- even if he becomes a saint!

sue maples---- worst stuff ever, the absolute pitts--- how many people got stuck with her useless sets?

collinwood--- YES she might be a nice person, BUT the fact is she has exhibited the same bad trading behavior FOR YEARS! I researched into her while her bad thread was active--- and found people 4 years ago that she told the SAME LIES to, back when she was still VHS Trading! years of same lies and being banned from other sites

Sheri220-- goes WAY beyond normal boundaries of bad trading and crosses into the line of FATAL ATTRACTION!

wolf11---- need i say more? he threatened to sue me, sue tj, beat up people, attack loren with computer viruses etc, in addition to bad trading

people like that should never be welcomed back in my eyes

if they straighten out, GREAT then find a new board and start fresh

NOW if we are talking about just bad trading issues, without the extra baggage of the examples above, then YES people can change---- most bad traders are NOT bad traders b/c they are scumbags--- most just dont know what the heck they are doing, they are new or get in too deep too fast and then get into a mess

that is one thing, and can be overcome, but the other category of bad traders----- the LONG TERM repeat offenders, should never be considered for forgiveness

at least in Lamonts hillbilly simple minded, weed wacked out opinion

Wait a sec, I thought we were the POLICE :confused: and we do it for FREE.

Nah, we aint the police Joker

we're just a band of thugs, playground bullies, psychiatric inmates and dastardly villians

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

There has yet to me to see one person added to the banned list for one
offense. It's always been a multitude of offenses. Whether it's bad trading
bad behavior or just bad whatever. It's not just one trade gone bad
but multiple trades.

Out of everything that was said this to me is the key phrasing of what
was presented

However, sometimes a user can take the time, work thorugh issues, and under close supervision, with the choice to send first, and understanding people might be skeptical- come back.
Rarely, but sometimes there is an option.

If someone wants to be removed from the banned list, then they should
be allowed a chance. One chance and one chance only. With the following
inclusions.

1) As loren mentioned. and absolute public apology and listing of transgressions. Whether it's "I failed in this trade, or I failed in this trade"
everything out on the table. That does offer protection that it's not a free
for all to blast them another time. And a blanket apology doesn't make it.
Sometimes if things go really bad people forget who they messed over.
But there is a certain amount of allowance for people to remind them that
they missed this occurance as well. Everything out on the table.

2) Every problem with a user or with behavior should be addressed.
If there were 10 people that got screwed out of the deal, then
those 10 people have to be approached on how to make it better.
Now this does not mean that they have to right to say "nope, I'm
not going to accept restitution, screw them" if they choose to
say it's can't be made right to me. Then that's there choice. The
Judgement has to be impartial on whether they are making a genuine
attempt at redemption of just serving another line.

3) If that person clears those hurdles, and not "I'm in the process of"
but actually has to completely clear the hurdles, all packages have
to be finalized or the person has to say "never mind, it's not worth
my time. Then it's a trial run. All trades should have to be through
an impartial mediator. The part to me is the impartial part. If they
have a grudge, legitimate or not then they don't have a chance in
hades of actually clearing the hurdle. For 6 months any trades have
to be cleared by this mediator, and if for any reason other than the
US mail or regular failure (dvd didn't burn) then they are rebanned with
no way back. It's a one chance deal. Mess it up for any reason that's
considered non standard, then this last chance is gone.

4) A message should be posted under the traders section that has a listing
of the apology, the listed transgressions and a comment period of 1
week (or whatever seems to be fitting) that people can throw they're
opinion in. it is not a voting situation. This has and never will be a democracy. It's TJ's board, so he gets obviously the final say. but the
opinions would probably go a long way to decide what the final fate is.

That fate is determined obviously by the Moderator or TJ himself whatever
is worked out in closed doors. And it's final. Once that determination is
done then that thread is locked, always visible but locked for comment.
and the person if reinstated is allowed to go without harassment, Yes
people will keep an eye on them, but continued harassment once things
are settled should not be allowed either. if they're reinstated then they
should be allowed to be treated as a member in good standing, if not
being watched but still in "good" standing.

As far as comments about people who are banned. Once they're banned it
becomes a dead horse issue to me. If they can't defend themselves, then
it isn't fair to continually blast them in public. Yes, if they're scammers then
they aren't going to say much anyway. But the point being that it becomes
the dead horse issue when it's pounded and pounded and pounded how these
people did someone wrong. Especially once someone says "I know I won't see my discs". Once that happens, it's a moot issue. It just becomes a
griping session. And better off for e-mail or something else.

Self Policing- Absolutely it is of vital importance to self police ourselves.
We do not need an appointed group other than Admin to start to be the
kiddie cops on things. But the nature is that there has to be some type
of agreement to say this is bad behavior and this is how it gets solved.
Mediators are one thing, But when we start pulling out the DVD cops and
they start calling out right and wrong. Then it's an entirely different ballgame.

In the past few months we've seen tempers flare, People have said things
that the next day they regretted. And even sometime people who were in the right take things so far that they became wrong. not in the original
message but in the execution of that message. Where they went from being wronged to where they became the rampagers running over everone, the good traders as well as the bad traders. That makes things very dangerous
when it comes to being a part of a community.

And overall the community as a whole takes precedence over the individual
user. Unfortunately that means that at times there has to be pruning of people who might in the long run end up being good traders, for the sake
that they are unable in the short run to continue to learn anything but the
art of the con job.

Well the fact is

that these people who got suspended and banned and on the bad trader list

were all Bad Traders

they had screwed over people, Not just 1 or 2 BUT numerous people on this board

I think we can all figure out what 2 females we are talking about here (sheri220 and Collinwood) who are the ones complaining as such
the only other Banned member I have seen mentioned was Wolf11, and he has more important problems on his other boards he was recently banned from!

While I do understand that it might be considered "unfair" to comment on them when they cannot defend themselves---- HOWEVER if u look back at the Bad trader threads about these 2 members in particular---- THEY DIDNT DEFEND THEMSELVES WHEN THEY HAD THE CHANCE! i know sheri220 was asked DIRECT QUESTIONS by several members and the moderator and she did not reply to any of them

Collinwood--- i do not think that she even bothered to respond at all

BOTH of these 2 never once responded to the questions asked of them and never defended themselves about all the complaints--- for them to cry foul now is silly

the way i see it, they had the chance to respond and they chose to "Thumb their noses" at the board and not answer any of the complaints with facts in their defenses---- so if they chose to Ignore this board when direct questions were asked that could have kept them from being banned to start with---- then why is it so hard for them to ignore this board if someone makes a comment in jest now????

get real, this is NOT real life folks, and the recent comments that were made

1. were all made in Joking form, and it was obviously comical in nature
*** you dont see old Lamont whining and crying about jokes made about me being a hillbilly or weedwacker jokes do u? u dont see Lilhave whining about jokes about his age do u? u dont see Loren crying about jabs at his "premium" views do u? NO, b/c we all have LIVES

2. these 2 banned members were not mentioned by name were they? i think there were some references that were inside jokes to those "in the know"


MY OPINION for what its worth it this-----

YES i think it would be wrong if we all started a new thread called "LETS REMEMBER WHAT A BAD TRADER COLLINWOOD IS" or "LETS BASH SHERI220 IN HER PERSONAL LIFE" then that would be wrong
and an unfair attack--- since they have been banned and canned and kicked to the curb, it would be pointless to begin new threads about how bad they were

BUT AT THE SAME TIME---- BOTH of these banned members have had ongoing issues with this board EVEN AFTER BEING BANNED---- Sheri220 for instance, as we recall, pulled COACHJONES into the mess after she was banned-- had him post HER list as HIS list and then tried to sell to people on this site direct! and COACHJONES got banned also. This member ALSO tried to use another member to do her bidding and almost got him into hot water as well----

COLLINWOOD, has repeatedly asked others to get things for her from me, BEHIND MY BACK, once she was banned, and is still diddly d**king people around on this board with her BS trade stories

SO MY QUESTION IS---- if a BANNED member continues to play games with this board, AFTER THEY ARE BANNED---- then why should they be suprised that their names come up with negative inferences?????

I mean, if they QUIETLY Went away, left this board alone and no longer tried to weasle back into it via other people, then that would be one thing--- BUT if they want to keep playing games and keep being "Active" members of this board INCOGNITO that is another thing
---- that is the CRAPOLA that SUE MAPLES and ANDY the western union bandit TURPA pull

THEY ARE BANNED, that means they are NO LONGER WELCOME on this board at all, while they cannot be stopped from reading it, they are NOT welcome and to be honest, i do not see why the moderators, TJ or anyone OWES THEM A THING--- I think any emails from these banned members should just be summarily deleted without reply

to me, this is just another case of certain members making a mountain out of a molehill

a CERTAIN banned member is obsessive by nature and unable to EVER, repeat EVER move on and unable to EVER, repeat EVER stop blaming certain members of this board for their problems in life--- and this to me, is the real problem----
this CERTAIN member could end up Lung Cancer--- and it would be Lorens fault somehow--- this CERTAIN member could end up hit by a car and it would be Lorens fault somehow--- THAT IS JUST HOW SHE THINKS!

if they are so upset by the mention of their names, or even a humorous reference to them, that 99% of the people do not even get---- then my suggestion to them would be

STOP READING THE TRADING POST, stop obsessing over it and move on with their lives!



Oh so that's what happened to Coachjones? I was wondering what happened to him.

i see what u mean dragonbear

but my opinion

1. when u r banned and on the bad trader list--- i think that your opinion and your voice should no longer be listened to---- i dont understand why people in authority should even have to entertain complaints from banned members----
its like Felons who cant vote--- they no longer have a say

its TJ's call and the Moderators call what can and cant be said, NOT some banned member who is whining about someone who made a joke about her (not even by name, just a vague reference to a city or such!)

2. i also understand about letting bad traders make ammends, BUT that still really needs to be case by case--- SURE some bad traders will screw over 15 people in a row, THEN when they get caught they will offer to make right--- but that dont count in my book----

thats like a bank robber who gets caught, then wants to just give the $ back now and forget about it

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh so that's what happened to Coachjones? I was wondering what happened to him.

COACHJONES was banned last month i think, he always seemed like a decent guy, but somehow a CERTAIN banned member on this site talked CoachJones into being a "Front" for her, FIRST on a selling site--- which doesnt effect the board--BUT THEN he posted his NEW STUFF list, which SUPRISE was just her old list and EVERY SINGLE person who wanted to trade with him he said NOPE IM ONLY SELLING THESE SETS, and he was really just ADVERTISING them on here for HER and she was making the $$$ off it, soe she drug him down with her


real shame too, but rules are rules are rules
and that crapola broke several of them at once!

Oh so that's what happened to Coachjones? I was wondering what happened to him.

heres another part of my education process and my reason for wanting the ban and bad list on the normal part of the message board

even sololom who is on here numerous times a day, didnt know that this person was banned, and even more importantly why

if a multiple time per day visitor cant follow the drift, how is a once a week person supposed to learn and try to protect themselves from the scammers--banned--thieves, etc

once again, this is my opinion, and youall did ask for it

I think that it's important for people to be able to point to bad experiences with banned members when a trader check is done. Heck, I'm sure there are trader checks done on folks who are not members of Sitcoms all the time, so those people don't have ready access to speak to comments made about them on a board to which they're not a member. Of course, they could join if they chose, but ...

But I really think the key has to be discretion and moderation - it's not necessary to go on ad infinitum in response to a trader check - I'd think it would be sufficient to just say there were bad experiences, and suggest the person who's doing the check search on the person's old ID to pull up the threads that already exist. Really, to say much more than that serves no other purpose than to dredge it all up again, and why? Because of unresolved anger or frustration?

So, I vote for the ability to comment, judiciously. If a person publicly commits acts which lead to their banning, those public acts are open for discussion. I think a little care needs to be taken by members of this board not to tip over into libel, which could get everyone in trouble. Just the facts, ma'am ...

I think that when a new person goes on the BAD trader list or BANNED list, there should be a link to the thread about why they got banned so that we can all see the facts

b/c as it is now, a lot of the OLD BANNED Members, noone really knows much about them anymore or even why they got banned, so maybe if more info was put with the Banning we could all have a better idea!

I think that's a great idea!

If a person publicly commits acts which lead to their banning, those public acts are open for discussion. I think a little care needs to be taken by members of this board not to tip over into libel, which could get everyone in trouble. Just the facts, ma'am ...


well to NORMAL people that all makes sense---- BUUUUUUT there are some CERTAIN banned members who aint quite normal

they go to disturbing extremes, such as threats of violence, foul language, or threats to kill themselves, etc etc etc

when dealing with people that unstable, logic goes right out the window!

Hate to be repetitive or redundent as what has to be said was said.
But it's time we call a spade a spade. When your kicked off the board you are kicked off with reason. You have had ample opportunity to present your case both privately to Savage and on the board and then in the wisdom of our leadership you are banned.

The only individual on the banned list that I had the misfortune to deal with was Sheri. When Sheri had a problem she waould call who would ever listen to her up to 50 times a day, and email them 50 times a day. Till this day she continues the same erratic, sick behavior. If she continues to exhibit this compulsive, obsessive behavior who is she to tell people "they are talking about me." If you want people to stop, then shut your mouth and go away. The board told her "your gone", go but she continues to scour the board under a alias or gets a lackey to tell her if anyone is talking about her. Still talking behind people's back, still denying she did anything wrong. Wish TJ would step forward and tell us how many hundreds of emails he has received from her.

Bottom line. Get a life Sheri and stop bitching and complaining to people.

Harvey

i wont go into details as to avoid having the moderators receive 100000 emails from CERTAIN people

my question is this

if "TRADER X" tells every person they ever deal with in trades, sales, emails, etc etc etc that they have an "Unusual" profession, such as......

I dont know, say they are a Professional Clown

and then they get banned for being a bad trader---- and then suppose that myself, loren, joker, joe schmo, jack black, johnny crapoli--- whoever

makes a certain joke about A CLOWN OF A TRADER from New York City

DOES THAT PERSON HAVE A RIGHT TO COMPLAIN to a moderator on a board they are banned from????

I mean, didnt TRADER X tell everyone that they are a Clown????? and put that info out there, and then if i make a CLOWN COMMENT that is directed as an inside joke to those in the loop---- does that somehow warrant emails to TJ or the mods?????

Just pondering aloud.......

Bottom line. Get a life Sheri and stop bitching and complaining to people.



and people say that good old Lamont is a bad guy! :lol: :lol: :lol:

heres another part of my education process and my reason for wanting the ban and bad list on the normal part of the message board

even sololom who is on here numerous times a day, didnt know that this person was banned, and even more importantly why

if a multiple time per day visitor cant follow the drift, how is a once a week person supposed to learn and try to protect themselves from the scammers--banned--thieves, etc

once again, this is my opinion, and youall did ask for it

Savage (aka Queen of nice)

If you have banned someone then in my books they have been given more than ample opportunity to correct things.

i have to agree with the "Playground Bully" as I see nothing wrong with bringing someone's name up when bad traders are being discussed. I can sometimes go a month without hitting this board and as Loren points out these posts can be eye opening to someone not here everyday. It does get to a point if someone is not letting things go and dragging things on that it is frustrating to watch.Asusers we can skip the posts or tell Lamont that it is time to pick a new topic. For the most part though I think it is a source of information to people not in the loop.

Like Joker though I personally prefer to let old battles die and pick live targets.

My 2 cents

OKay first off-

I think the thread link idea, is actually pretty logical

If you notice on the bad trader list- there are links, when there is especially a lot to be said
Pam Maples is a good example

But yes, absolutely-new traders have no clue what a previous user did.

Were they inappropriate? Were they scamming, were they over extending themselves etc

No two traders, even bad are alike- and there is the chance that even if someone is on the bad trader list- another might give them a chance, if they send first.

So the link idea might not be so bad, if it was clear cut and topic related.


However I must interject
UNless you are a moderator, or of the administration, you shouldn't be discussing why certain people ar removed Lamont, unless you know for a fact.
Your blurb over Coach Jones wasn't entirely correct, and that is why rumours start.

Deb Walsh hit the nail on the head, in stating that discussing for coparison sake, even preventative is well in the rights of trader discussion-
My fear was more when personal matters get dragged into things.

Her actual quote is "So, I vote for the ability to comment, judiciously"

And I agree 100%

But as a prime example of my fear- here we are a month later, and Coach Jones gets brought up, incorrectly- Giving the wrong idea, to the subject matter.
And as a moderator, even a good one- or dedicated one I can't see every thread every night, every post.
SO things can and do get said, taken out of context, assumed or even added upon incorrectly.
Which is why there is a fine line, and why I am asking for feedback


As a moderator, I kinda get bitched at either way.
Some people are outraged if a bad user, slips through or a scammer isn't removed immediately
And some prvious users are outraged they are discussed after they are already removed.

However the overall opinion I have is that, through discission is awareness and prevention
So maybe the link, isn't such a bad idea with the name
And or, a comment such as

Pam Maples-
Banned 6/7/2005 for scamming, not delivering-lying, bad quality

Should I, as a moderator add MORE details to the list?
As well as a link if possible.

i wont go into details as to avoid having the moderators receive 100000 emails from CERTAIN people

my question is this

if "TRADER X" tells every person they ever deal with in trades, sales, emails, etc etc etc that they have an "Unusual" profession, such as......

I dont know, say they are a Professional Clown

and then they get banned for being a bad trader---- and then suppose that myself, loren, joker, joe schmo, jack black, johnny crapoli--- whoever

makes a certain joke about A CLOWN OF A TRADER from New York City

DOES THAT PERSON HAVE A RIGHT TO COMPLAIN to a moderator on a board they are banned from????

I mean, didnt TRADER X tell everyone that they are a Clown????? and put that info out there, and then if i make a CLOWN COMMENT that is directed as an inside joke to those in the loop---- does that somehow warrant emails to TJ or the mods?????

Just pondering aloud.......



I would like to make a formal complaint about the inappropriate use of the word "clown" in this post.

It was used in a derogatory manner - my people and I are very offended by this slur.


Sir Joker

Lamont, unless you know for a fact.
Your blurb over Coach Jones wasn't entirely correct, and that is why rumours start.



my apologies if i didnt get the info 100% accurate

the main idea about the situation was correct but as for the actual/technical reasons the mods banned him

i should not have spoken on that part as i do not have those facts

so this is Lamont, pulling his foot out of his mouth on that one

The only individual on the banned list that I had the misfortune to deal with was Sheri. When Sheri had a problem she waould call who would ever listen to her up to 50 times a day, and email them 50 times a day. Till this day she continues the same erratic, sick behavior. If she continues to exhibit this compulsive, obsessive behavior who is she to tell people "they are talking about me." If you want people to stop, then shut your mouth and go away.
Harvey


Poor Harvey, he's still in denial after all these months.
I can read between the lines however. He misses his old pal :smooch:

Sheri if you can read this, please call him.

2. i also understand about letting bad traders make ammends, BUT that still really needs to be case by case--- SURE some bad traders will screw over 15 people in a row, THEN when they get caught they will offer to make right--- but that dont count in my book----


That part is an excellent agreement. But then the process itself will shake
that portion down. Honestly do you think that Someone like Andy Turpa
is going to come clean with everything? The money scams and all.
That was the first requirement for even getting a chance at redemption.
it all has to come out on the line. Regardless of just how ugly it gets.

People who want to start fresh will own up to their problems and will say
"i'm sorry, how can I make it better" and genuinely mean it. Not half
A@@ is and say "I'm sorry" and then turn around and expect instant
forgiveness. That just doesn't fly. I say something stupid on here
and I expect to receive the brunt of it. Even after I say I'm sorry there
are consequences to that action.

But for the most part the people on the bad trader list should receive a chance at redemption. With the stipulation that there are absolutely
no guarantees.

As far as the link to their names for the banned list is an excellent idea.
As a moderator for another board I know the importance of information
and where sue maples might be very fresh in some peoples minds, all
I know is just a portion of the story. The information on what got them
banned or censured in the first place might help with others not getting
into the same predictiment.

I would like to make a formal complaint about the inappropriate use of the word "clown" in this post.
It was used in a derogatory manner - my people and I are very offended by this slur.
Sir Joker

Your complaint has been noted and assigned it's place in the paperwork
for madam savage. You will be notified in the future for your hearing
date. Though I wouldn't expect it to be too soon. She has a full plate
of other important things. Including basket weaving, toenail clipping
and soaking in the hottub.

Savages Secretary De Jour

Poor Harvey, he's still in denial after all these months.
I can read between the lines however. He misses his old pal :smooch:

Sheri if you can read this, please call him.

If she calls me, I will immediately fly out to Canada, track you down, even if it's deep in bear country and kill you.

Shotgun Harv

I would like to make a formal complaint about the inappropriate use of the word "clown" in this post.


JOKER my apologies

BUT i had to substitute the word "Clown" for the ACTUAL profession in question to keep it PG

Obsessive compulsive behavior is a form of mental illness

i think that a lot of this fits that category

emailing people 100s of times over things

become distraught over trading

become hysterical over a post on a trading site

reading a board constantly that u r banned on

emailing moderators dozens of times a day

complaining over and over about how unfair and mean things are

and how everyone is out to get u

perhaps the endless hours spent staring at a computer screen all day
obsessing over what is said about you, by people u dont even know---
perhaps those hours would be better spent in therapy

PS here is a thought

look at these names off the bad trader list

Duhamel Hottie

Jess Overton

Joe Carroll

Dave Stevenson

anyone hear any comments about any of them recently?

NO! and u know why? b/c they are GONE

the reason u hear people talking about Sheri220 so often is that she REFUSES TO GO AWAY!

she is banned-- she is canned--- she is on the bad trader list

so why is she still here? i know of several members she has emailed very recently looking for trades and sales--- she emails the moderators and TJ a zillion times and just wont go away

same crazy, obsessive, no self control, overbearing, annoying, psychotic, disturbing behavior as always

if she doesnt want her name mentioned, then go away, go on, go elsewhere, scat, sceedaddle, scram, begone, disappear, get lost, take a hint, take a hike, get a life and move on allready!
as long as you have flys in the house, you will keep swatting them and squishing them!

Isn't there a way to fix the board so that you have to log in to read the posts, therefore if you are BANNED, you cannot log in? I don't know how all of that works but would it be a hard thing to set up? Nobody should be
reading the posts if it will upset them, this way they wouldn't be able to!

Obsessive compulsive behavior is a form of mental illness



reading a board constantly that u r banned on


perhaps the endless hours spent staring at a computer screen all day
obsessing over what is said about you, by people u dont even know---
perhaps those hours would be better spent in therapy

Isn't there a way to fix the board so that you have to log in to read the posts, therefore if you are BANNED, you cannot log in? I don't know how all of that works but would it be a hard thing to set up? Nobody should be
reading the posts if it will upset them, this way they wouldn't be able to!

april4972
im not privy to the inner workings
but to be honest, i think its unfair for the whole board to have to change to accomodate one mentally unbalanced person who is unable to move on

i mean, wouldnt it be easier for sheri220 to just stop her behavior?

If she calls me, I will immediately fly out to Canada, track you down, even if it's deep in bear country and kill you.

Shotgun Harv

Sorry Harv

We are not as liberal with the gun laws up here in Canada. First you will need to register your firearm for $200. Then file the proper permits to have it transported (ship it about 6 weeks ahead of time). File the necessary transfer papers at the airport and then hunt down Joker.

By this time I am sure he would notify the authorities that a crazy old guy is coming to take over the country and is carrying a shotgun and several shells are being smuggled in places that only rubber gloves will find. You are probably better off just knocking off the source.

april4972
im not privy to the inner workings
but to be honest, i think its unfair for the whole board to have to change to accomodate one mentally unbalanced person who is unable to move on

i mean, wouldnt it be easier for sheri220 to just stop her behavior?
Lamont,

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, just saying that it would be a way to keep people from getting upset is all...We log in to post, what's the big deal to log in to read? Not really a big deal, right?

Obsessive compulsive behavior is a form of mental illness

i think that a lot of this fits that category

emailing people 100s of times over things

become distraught over trading

become hysterical over a post on a trading site



Sorry Monty but you left the door WIIIDE open for this one

Isn't writing daily novella's on many different threads just a tad obsessive????

I would like to make a formal complaint about the inappropriate use of the word "clown" in this post.

It was used in a derogatory manner - my people and I are very offended by this slur.


Sir Joker

How insensitive and defamatory even ! What's next Monty are you gonna attack the folically challenged?

Your punishment should be 50 lashes with a weedwhacker ... oh that's right ... never mind:lol:

Lamont,

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, just saying that it would be a way to keep people from getting upset is all...We log in to post, what's the big deal to log in to read? Not really a big deal, right?


well, the post is NOT about sheri220 in particular, HOWEVER she of course, is the only real BANNED/BAD TRADER causing commotion and stress (as always)

i think that (AND FORGIVE ME IF IM WRONG AS I DO NOT KNOW) but i think that the forum is open to read by anyone, as i think i read it BEFORE I signed up, and my GUESS is that they want to keep it that way so that anyone can read and draw more people into the boards and create more interest

when u have boards that you have to LOG IN to just read, that is all fine and dandy, BUUUUUT then how do u get new people to join if they cannot read first?

i understand the idea and all, but we only have a few people that its a problem for

most of us here are adults who have some level of self control and are able to turn something off if we dont like it

in fact, so far sheri220 is the ONLY banned/bad member i have EVER heard of, who kept on reading the board CONSTANTLY and UNCONTROLABLY even after she was BANNED and the ONLY banned/bad member i have EVER heard of who felt the need to CONSTANTLY and UNCONTROLABLY even after she was BANNED continue to email the moderators


I COULD BE WRONG, so maybe one of the moderators can clarify if other banned members act this insane or if its just her?

How insensitive and defamatory even ! What's next Monty are you gonna attack the folically challenged?

Your punishment should be 50 lashes with a weedwhacker ... oh that's right ... never mind:lol:

CARTOONDVDS--- u r correct that old Lamont has been staying up late in the Junkyard posting about this latest mess with sheri220, BUUUT theres a few differences

1. Lamont is relaxed and happy, sheri220 is hysterical and most likely freaking out reading this

2. Lamont is smiling and chipper, sheri220 i can guarantee u is emailing her pals and the moderators over and over and over again, complaining about this

3. Lamont will go to sleep when he gets tired, sheri220 will sit up all night refreshing this same thread over and over and over until she passes out from exhaustion

4. Lamont writes long posts, b/c he has too much spare time on his hands at work, sheri220 is just plain wacked!

PS i apologize again for the "CLOWN" comment, i was just trying to pick a profession that would be ODD and UNIQUE to prove a point, BUT not be a profession like Drug Dealer, Hitman, Stripper or Prostitute, that might offend someone.....

and of course, i couldnt mention the actual profession that TRADER X did, as not to cause more commotion!

OK this thread wasn't about one user.

Pam maples gets discussed, Wolf11 gets discussed, Sheri220 gets discussed, Angie gets discussed

the fact is- its the same thing being said over and over.

It doesn't solve anything- it usually works people up over and again

Now one one hand using a users previous bad choice- as an example makes sense.
Using someone as a guideline of what not to do- is a good idea-
And when someone has made multiple bad choices, learning from that- is useful

I think the link idea, might actually solve some of this.
I think most often, various peopel get dicsused multiple times, to "refresh" others - or to bring them to attention to new users-

The fact is, as a moderator- I don't know HALF the bad traders on the list.
And new traders won't know-

Are they a bad trader becuase they scammed?
Are they a bad trader because they had poor quality
Did they just disapear?

I think a link, or a briefiing of the reason they are a bad trader, is very helpful
For one, to give a refrence point.
2-lets face it as time goes on, as traders and moderators get older- we don't recall everyones name and "guilt"

I think having a refrence would not only give new traders or a new moderator the information, needed if needed.
And as well keep things factual-as the link is from the time of the topic start.

This thread isn't about ONE person.
The name dropping can stop.
There are a LOT of bad traders that complain they are still being discussed-
And if you are banned, the fact is- you can be banned for a multitude of reasons.
And just being "BANNED' gives no explination to why.
Maybe they didn't sent on time
Maybe they didn't have good quality.
Maybe they were moochers, maybe they took western union and never sent

There is to me, degrees of being a bad trader-
And the fact is, everyone is subject to other's opinion.

So I think the concept of the link and description is a good idea for that reason
So that people can read the list of things, when it was fresh and make thier own decisions-
and therefore the discussion be readable, not just based on opinions weeks, months later-

its probably my fault

i didnt mention any names, but i did say

scammer, thief, bad trader

and of course someone read that and right away knew i was refering to ____ from _______, who uses the name______

my fault, that a certain person could pick out that i was talking about her by name again


look out, you never know who ill be spying on next, ill just have my bugging equipment do its thing again

PS here is a thought

look at these names off the bad trader list

Duhamel Hottie

Jess Overton

Joe Carroll

Dave Stevenson

anyone hear any comments about any of them recently?

NO! and u know why? b/c they are GONE

the reason u hear people talking about Sheri220 so often is that she REFUSES TO GO AWAY!

she is banned-- she is canned--- she is on the bad trader list

so why is she still here? i know of several members she has emailed very recently looking for trades and sales--- she emails the moderators and TJ a zillion times and just wont go away

same crazy, obsessive, no self control, overbearing, annoying, psychotic, disturbing behavior as always

if she doesnt want her name mentioned, then go away, go on, go elsewhere, scat, sceedaddle, scram, begone, disappear, get lost, take a hint, take a hike, get a life and move on allready!
as long as you have flys in the house, you will keep swatting them and squishing them!

We may not be seeing that much of her from now on out Her new ad came out and maybe the phone will ring off the hook. Very competitve that field.

Harvey

BTW Savage, I don't know if you realize this but you have colinwood on the recomended traders list still.


Phiberosmosis
ChristyKing
CJ
Collinwood2003
combsisthebest
cp32


just to let you know :cool:

Sorry Harv

We are not as liberal with the gun laws up here in Canada. First you will need to register your firearm for $200. Then file the proper permits to have it transported (ship it about 6 weeks ahead of time). File the necessary transfer papers at the airport and then hunt down Joker.

By this time I am sure he would notify the authorities that a crazy old guy is coming to take over the country and is carrying a shotgun and several shells are being smuggled in places that only rubber gloves will find. You are probably better off just knocking off the source.

I'll disguise myself as the Penguin, and Joker will think I'm there to discuss strategy to take over Gotham, and when he least expects it, blow him to gold dust.

Then I'll come back, grab Savage who is dressed in a slinky Batgirl outfit, and spend days in the Batcave. Of course I'll send Alfred on a distant mission.

Harvey

We may not be seeing that much of her from now on out Her new ad came out in the yellow pages and maybe the phone will ring off the hook. Very competitve that field.

Harvey


How much?

Details please ;)

JOKER, im sure that you are not THAT hard up for action

:lol: :lol: :lol:

How much?

Details please ;)

No selling, you could be banned. Let's see now, if we figure a disk is worth a buck, and use that as a basis, do you have a 5 disk set, no Joker type menu.

Harvey

we all joke and have fun

and yes, others besides sheri220 are mentioned

HOWEVER i think it is safe to say, that sheri220 is the PREDOMINANT one who complains about it and emails the moderators about it

i have said it before, she is truly a very very sick woman

and honestly needs to seek counseling and therapy

we all joke and have fun

and yes, others besides sheri220 are mentioned

HOWEVER i think it is safe to say, that sheri220 is the PREDOMINANT one who complains about it and emails the moderators about it

i have said it before, she is truly a very very sick woman

and honestly needs to seek counseling and therapy

Ohhhh Monty,
I think you're starting to beat the dead horse again. :talk:

if u knew the # of emails that sheri220 sent to members of this board last night

HYSTERICAL insane emails with all sorts of BIZARRE AND PARANOID accusations, i mean not 5 or 10 but dozens and dozens ALL NIGHT LONG

u would understand why:lol:

if u knew the # of emails that sheri220 sent to members of this board last night

HYSTERICAL insane emails with all sorts of BIZARRE AND PARANOID accusations, i mean not 5 or 10 but dozens and dozens ALL NIGHT LONG

u would understand why:lol:


I'd be paranoid also if a gun-toting dude from Brooklyn, a weedwhack wielding hillbily from NC and a harley riding biker from Wisconsin had it in for me.

That's one terrible-trio.

I can speak for all 3 of us i think safely

the gun-toter, the weed wacker and the harley rider
all 3 have lives and dont have any interest in doing anything to harm
the Chicago Psycho

in truth, i try to pretend she never existed (however she cannot seem to stop reminding us all!)

HOWEVER, I do know that there are others who aint as easy going as us 3
and who do have a grudge that is greater

some folks who got removed from some selling sites due to a CERTAIN banned trader, aint willing to move on and will most likely plague sheri220 for days to come

-- to clarify---IM NOT SAYING THEY WOULD HARM HER OR DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL OR TROUBLESOME AT ALL---- JUST that these other people truly despise her for what she did, and no matter where she goes, they will be there to cause her stress and grief and be sure she doesnt do it to others--- TO CLARIFY!

and in the "line of work" that some people are in, they encounter all sorts of Shady types and put themselves in bad situations all the time

if i were this certain banned member, i would be more worried about problems from "Johns" than from "Lorens", "Lamonts" or "Harveys"

if i were this certain banned member, i would be more worried about problems from "Johns" than from "Lorens", "Lamonts" or "Harveys"


:rofl: That was quite funny.

But you might want to edit the rest cuz it sounds a little like a threat and you are crossing the line just a little bit which may cause you problems later on.

i got ya joker
i edited it a bit to make it clear

and i think this will be Lamonts final word on the matter- unless new info comes up or unless someone asks my opinion or a question i can answer

its just a sad mess of a sad person with a sad life

she made a mess of her life, and now cannot deal with the consequences
she burned all her bridges and yet still emails the moderators over and over b/c thats ALL SHE HAS, no life just trading and she cannot let go no matter what

pathetic and i pity her

these ioffer guys she caused issues for, they are not going to harm her
but they are still furious about how she did them wrong, and all the troubles she caused them, and they keep an eye out on her activities and they are very adamant about making sure she never again does what she did to them

and yes, that causes her grief and makes her upset and she doesnt know why? because she said she was sorry? god, why dont they just leave her alone? aaaaaaaaaahhhhhh

:crysoup: :crysoup:

I'd be paranoid also if a gun-toting dude from Brooklyn, a weedwhack wielding hillbily from NC and a harley riding biker from Wisconsin had it in for me.

That's one terrible-trio.

I have a water pistol, smoke a corn cob pipe, and ride a tricycle.

Harvey

I can speak for all 3 of us i think safely

the gun-toter, the weed wacker and the harley rider
all 3 have lives and dont have any interest in doing anything to harm
the Chicago Psycho

in truth, i try to pretend she never existed (however she cannot seem to stop reminding us all!)

HOWEVER, I do know that there are others who aint as easy going as us 3
and who do have a grudge that is greater

some folks who got removed from some selling sites due to a CERTAIN banned trader, aint willing to move on and will most likely plague sheri220 for days to come

-- to clarify---IM NOT SAYING THEY WOULD HARM HER OR DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL OR TROUBLESOME AT ALL---- JUST that these other people truly despise her for what she did, and no matter where she goes, they will be there to cause her stress and grief and be sure she doesnt do it to others--- TO CLARIFY!

and in the "line of work" that some people are in, they encounter all sorts of Shady types and put themselves in bad situations all the time

if i were this certain banned member, i would be more worried about problems from "Johns" than from "Lorens", "Lamonts" or "Harveys"

Did you mean
'Johns" as in John Brown, or "Johns" in terms of oops, almost slipped.

Harvey

I like the idea of a post mentioning a person has been banned with links to the thread(s) discussing why.

As far as reinstatement goes, I think it should be case by case. Some people take advantage of others & have no remorse. Others may be in a situation where family issues/illness/etc. simply become more important that trading & after things calm down, they may try to make amends. In that situation, it may be a good call to reinstate them.

I'd be paranoid also if a gun-toting dude from Brooklyn, a weedwhack wielding hillbily from NC and a harley riding biker from Wisconsin had it in for me.

That's one terrible-trio.

joker old cousin, i try not to insult you, and other clowns in general. but you done crossed the line

loren isnt a harley dude

loren has a goldwing

theres a huge difference

Sheriwhatsit may the person in the forefront of some traders' minds, but she's not the only person to slink back onto the board in some fashion after being banned. We've had a number of people do it under new IDs, etc. And there are people who've been banned for behavior on the board (foul language, etc.), who still trade quite amicably and successfully with other folks on the board. So the problem is not a single individual, although at this point, I think everyone involved needs to take a deep breath and repeat after me, "I will not give this individual power over me. I will let it go and move on."

Honestly, if Sheriwhatsit is one of those people who thrives on attention, you guys are giving her a feast. She stinks as a trader, she apparently used a friend badly, she's got major problems, you're not going to change her, she's banned, she's on the bad trader list, Savage is going to put a link to the discussions - there ain't much more that can be done without giving yourself such aggidda your head explodes. And I for one have no desire to clean up the sticky bits.

We all get worked up when we're treated badly, but these discussions don't seem to serve much purpose other than to upset the people who've already had a bad experience. There doesn't seem to be much therapeutic value to be had.

Ultimately the question posed here is do we have the right to continue discussing a person when they don't have the ability to defend themselves. Are we violating that person's rights? After the way this thread has escalated, I think the answer is yes, we are violating their rights if they cannot come onto this board and defend themselves. I think maybe the answer to the poll has to be no, we cannot discuss a person in an open forum once they are banned, because we can't contain the discussion or the emotion. I think instead, if there is no thread to link to already for the bad trader list, it might be better if comments are sent directly to Savage or some other designee to put together an assessment that can be posted and linked.

Now, breathe deep, hold it ... hold it ... hold it some more ... okay! Let it out. Imagine a world in which Sheriwhatsit no longer exists. Got that image? Good, 'cos if we don't keep talking about her, we can kind of create one here on Sitcoms.

if i were this certain banned member, i would be more worried about problems from "Johns" than from "Lorens", "Lamonts" or "Harveys"

Ok, please tell me you are joking about this being her profession. If your not, I'm so tempted to drive around her neighborhood tonight to see what she looks like :eek:

Ok, please tell me you are joking about this being her profession. If your not, I'm so tempted to drive around her neighborhood tonight to see what she looks like :eek:


.... and I thought you were one of the bright ones? :joke:

Do we have to put you in the Special Ed class?

Ok, please tell me you are joking about this being her profession. If your not, I'm so tempted to drive around her neighborhood tonight to see what she looks like :eek:

N33. Bingo. You got it Jasimon. Trading dvds is a new hobby, hers is "the oldest profession"

P.S. You can pick me up, we can ride together.

Harvey

N33. Bingo. You got it Jasimon. Trading dvds is a new hobby, hers is "the oldest profession"

P.S. You can pick me up, we can ride together.

Harvey

I got shotgun ! OK?

I got shotgun ! OK?


It's not far from where I work so you guys can meet me at work, we'll go to happy hour then take a walk over there. Should be fun!

Jen (who should have kept her mouth shut because now my inbox is flooded)

It does get to a point if someone is not letting things go and dragging things on that it is frustrating to watch.As users we can skip the posts or tell Lamont that it is time to pick a new topic.


Monty we are at that point now

http://www.bjacked.net/LuvToHunt/forums/phpBB2/modules/gallery/albums/album01/Beat_Dead_Horse.jpg

Note no real horses were harmed in the making of this picture. It is actually a very mediocre photoshop product but it does illustrate a point.

joker old cousin, i try not to insult you, and other clowns in general. but you done crossed the line

loren isnt a harley dude

loren has a goldwing

theres a huge difference



Now what makes you look tougher? A Harley or a Honda?

I'm only thinking of your image - work with me.


Speaking of bikers & their bikes
Have you seen this mini series?

http://www.cbc.ca/lastchapter/

I think you'd enjoy it. I'll send you a copy.

i hadnt posted for an hour and many others had posted after me

i wasnt beating the horse, just watching it get kicked around and laughing

a few points though

to Jsimon--- YES your inbox will now get 1000 emails from Sheri about the comments u made--- she CANNOT help herself, she is ill and not in control of her own actions

to Lilhave, i am sure that the moderators and TJ will now get a zillion emails saying what a mean old man u r, again she CANNOT help herself, she is ill and not in control of her own actions

to debwalsh--- I disagree, sheri lerman is ONLY being talked about still BECAUSE she is still USING THIS BOARD---- she is Still contact members and emailing moderators and even TJ i am sure, and she is STILL HERE, so she is bringing it on herself--- I THINK if a member is banned on the board and no longer around, we should keep quiet and let it go--- there are LOTS of bad traders who hardly get a mention, BECAUSE they abide by the rules and when they are banned, they go away--- ONLY the ones who constantly continue to cause trouble are mentioned again! if she went away it would be one thing,

BUUUUT if u have a virus like sheri220 who continues to infect this board after she has been told to leave, and gets others into her troubles too, then i think she is ASKING FOR IT

if she wants it to stop, the ball is in her court (AND noone has to be bugging her phone, spying on her with satellites or having her computer monitored to figure that out!)--- GIRL DONT GO AWAY MAD, JUST GO AWAY :lol:

also, for those who are upset about someones profession being mentioned, i put this info out

everyone knows that Loren has a motorcycle, he tells everyone and we all mention it

everyone knows that joey1727 loves BJ AND THE BEAR, he told us, we joke about it

everyone knows lilhave is an older fellow, he let us know, we joke about it

everyone knows lamont is a weed wacking hillbilly, i tell people and people mention it

etc etc etc

it is ALL personal info that the TRADER THEMSELVES puts in the public eye
by telling several others

if someone TELLS TONS OF PEOPLE that she IS or ISNT an "Escort" (to be polite) or any profession, and then gives people details such as LINKS to her escort site with revealing photos and more, then I think that is NO DIFFERENT than us talking about Lorens bike, harveys age, jokers hatred of dvdavenue, etc etc etc

if people didnt want these facts known, they wouldnt tell everyone, and i can name LITERALLY at least a dozen traders on this board who were told FIRSTHAND about sheri220s personal life and there was no secret about it, it was just MATTER OF FACT

NOONE on this board is "OUTING" anyone for their secret lives, BUT if that person told a zillion members of this board a fact like that, how can it be considered OFF LIMITS to discuss????


OK Lamont goes back to being quiet, before cartoondvds makes me go and sit in the corner! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Now what makes you look tougher? A Harley or a Honda?

I'm only thinking of your image - work with me.


Speaking of bikers & their bikes
Have you seen this mini series?

http://www.cbc.ca/lastchapter/

I think you'd enjoy it. I'll send you a copy.

harley boys look so tough since they never take a bath and wear the same rattyassed filthy black t shirt all the time

the main goal of a harley motorcycle is to have one to ride to the next bar, be very loud, and stand nest to it and talk about all the good times

they never ride them to events, they are always on a trailer

its loud to compensate for other shortcommings the would be rider has

Well- let me be candid here-

First off, I fully agree that out of all the traders bad or good, that Sheri220 is/was definately the most vocal and most....let's say communicative
Anyone who has dealt with her, knows she utilizes her phone, and email excessively.
I am not outing anything on that, the simple fact is previous threads, as well as previous emails to her from myself as well as others have told her she is compulsive with that.

As far as people reading the board-
If you can web surf, you can read the forums
It is by being a member you can contribute to them-
SO there is no way I can stop Sheri or anyone from reading the site, if they aim to.
No way at all other then physically taking her internet connection away.
SO unforunately yes your are 100% right Lamont, she will continue to read the board, obsessed with wondering what is being said about her.
But I was being honest this thread wasn't started over her-
In general in the last 3 weeks I actually had an email from Outlaw70666
Angie Kelly, and CartoonGurl all asking why they were still the "topic' of discussion.
Now of course Outlaw, was brought back up due to the fact he created a rogue account -
And Angie, it was brought back up due to incorrect packages and so on
And CartoonGurl, over a money order issue.

Most often if a banned or bad trader is brought back up it is USUALLY in direct connection to something they did and or are doing.

I do get complaints about Sheri, still to this day, still to THIS morning- from people she contacts through email-

And I am well aware that she will problaby never stop reading the boards - until such a time as she isn't brought up again.
But it is a vicious cycle.
She reads becuase she is paranoid-
She acts on the parnaoia- and do to how she acts she is rediscussed
And she reads that discussion.

I can't do anything as a moderator to help that.

But I did want the boards opinion as she wasn't the only one to feel paranoid, or the only one to complain at being discussed
And very mcuh what was said, is what I suspected would be said.
But I never want to assume.

Now the link idea that was suggested has begun to be incorperated-
and I have added links ot the bad trader list for those whom a detailed, in length discussion has been held
So that in the future, those who need to reread, refresh, or even remind themselves have the actual conversation at hand

I still hold to the belief if a user is to be dicussed with no ability to defend themselves that that users name, should be limited to facts, and what happened.
Instead of the sometimes egging, and comical pokes and jabs that happen.


-I have begin adding more detail tot he Banned trader list-
Wether the complaints be selling, not delivering, poor quality and so forth.
As before, if you have any details TO add to that list, of course forward them to me-
The overlal desire of the bad trader list-
is to edcuate new traders and new moderators as to whom has difficulty before
so that should they approach someone to trade, or sell-
Or even come back to Sitcoms we have a refrence to what they did- and to make a better judgment to our course of action.
Just tossing a name/email on the list gives no ultimate info.


But even though this thread was started in general, it pretty much as gone strictly to Sheri, and I think all points have been made-
Sound feedback has been given-
So let me start putting into work, the suggestions given-and hopefully that will help eliminate some of these issues in the future.

What was it Deb Walsh Said?
"
Now, breathe deep, hold it ... hold it ... hold it some more ... okay! Let it out. Imagine a world in which Sheriwhatsit no longer exists. Got that image? Good, 'cos if we don't keep talking about her, we can kind of create one here on Sitcoms."

to debwalsh--- I disagree, sheri220 is ONLY being talked about still BECAUSE she is still USING THIS BOARD---- she is Still contact members and emailing moderators and even TJ i am sure, and she is STILL HERE, so she is bringing it on herself--- I THINK if a member is banned on the board and no longer around, we should keep quiet and let it go--- there are LOTS of bad traders who hardly get a mention, BECAUSE they abide by the rules and when they are banned, they go away--- ONLY the ones who constantly continue to cause trouble are mentioned again! if she went away it would be one thing,

BUUUUT if u have a virus like sheri220 who continues to infect this board after she has been told to leave, and gets others into her troubles too, then i think she is ASKING FOR IT

if she wants it to stop, the ball is in her court (AND noone has to be bugging her phone, spying on her with satellites or having her computer monitored to figure that out!)--- GIRL DONT GO AWAY MAD, JUST GO AWAY :lol:


Well, I've heard from her now, too, in response to my earlier post. So even though she's banned from the board, she's still making use of it and its resources. I'm inclined to agree that general rules of courtesy need not apply to someone who continues to abuse an organization and its members, but ... I still don't see any value in repeating what's already been said and said again. You're not going to get any satisfaction from this person. On the planet where she lives, she sees herself as the victim. It's a nice fiction for her to believe.

Well, I've heard from her now, too, in response to my earlier post. So even though she's banned from the board, she's still making use of it and its resources. I'm inclined to agree that general rules of courtesy need not apply to someone who continues to abuse an organization and its members, but ... I still don't see any value in repeating what's already been said and said again. You're not going to get any satisfaction from this person. On the planet where she lives, she sees herself as the victim. It's a nice fiction for her to believe.

Well said, there is only so many times things can be said.

Monty no disrespect but sometimes the same message rewritten in a different context stills seems like the same old message.

You are a good guy but you type too much. Definately bring some character to the board and your heart is in the right place. I would never send anyone to the corner, now solitary confinement with Barry Manilow blaring and strobe lights I might do.:lol:

All these mean people around here. Are there any friends of sheri lerman out there?

Sheri,
step into Dr.Joker's office, tell me what's troubling you .... I'll try and help.