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neon000

08-16-2006, 02:43 PM

That is my favorite season 4 episode also.

AGAIN, when did David Addison ask Maddie Hayes to marry him? When did she say NO? BW says it with such intensity, and tears are in his eyes in that scene. It gives me the chills.:cool:
I've often thought David just made that up on the spot, just blurted it out, in order to get her father not to kill him. I mean, he knew Mr. Hayes was mad enough. Maybe if he thought David had tried to do the traditional thing and been turned down, he wouldn't completely give up on David's quality of character. David is also getting more and more tense and wound up as the speech goes on. I'm one of the few people ever who has found it actually quite frightening. I can't figure why Mr. Hayes' heart just melts in the next second... it doesn't ring true with what he did up to then.

A somewhat more logical reaction, in my opinion, would have been for Mr. Hayes to buy David a ticket to Chicago so he could force David to actually talk to Maddie in person. I can see why he would lend David money, seeing as the business was literally falling down around their ears, but I wondered why, since Mr. Hayes was so worked up about what might be best for his daughter, didn't he try to get everyone possible in a room together at the same time so this could be resolved once and for all. Like adults.

Well, me and my crazy ideas.

laura a

08-16-2006, 03:26 PM

buy David a ticket to Chicago[/I] so he could force David to actually talk to Maddie in person. Mr. Hayes was so worked up about what might be best for his daughter,why didn't he try to get everyone possible in a room together at the same time so this could be resolved once and for all. Like adults.

Well, me and my crazy ideas.

Wow that`s exactly how i felt about this scene, i never could understand why David didn`t continue on to Chicago( I know that he didn`t have enough for the air fare himself ) but like you said neon0000 if Mr Hayes wanted Maddie and David to work through this then surely it would`ve made sense for David to go back with Mr Hayes and talk to Maddie himself now that every one knew about the pregnancy . But hey it wasn`t real life and i suppose that wouldn`t have fitted in with what the writers had planned for the two of them.
I`ll tell you what , it`s a shame none of us were writers on the show at the time because things might have turn out differently.
If this `reunion episode/film ever gets off the ground maybe Glenn could turn to the fans for ideas!Now wouldn`t that be great!!:happyface

dihop

08-16-2006, 07:09 PM

My read on it was that David could never have gone onto Chicago and admitted to Maddie that he had screwed up the business. That would have been just more proof that her feelings about his immaturity and undependability had some merit.

I think David knew he had to go back to LA and repair what his inattentiveness had wrought.

I also think that that he knew that Maddie could not be forced to do anything -- remember, that was one thing that he and Mr. Hayes agreed upon in the plane. Maddie had to come to the realization that she wanted to be with him, committedly. The only way the relationship had any chance was if she went into it with her whole heart, soul, and mind.

laura a

08-16-2006, 08:00 PM

I agree with you on the fact that David would have felt like he had failed Maddie in some way by letting the business fall apart but none of that was his fault,besides did she really have to know seeing that Mr Hayes had offered to help out with a loan by that stage. I maybe wrong but i don`t think Mr Hayes or David were going to tell her anyway , it would have been just another thing for her to worry about and that was the last thing Maddie needed in her condition.
Yes maybe Maddie wouldn`t have appreciated him showing up at first but surely with her parents knowing about the pregnancy now was a good time to talk with David, i mean she couldn`t run away and hide for ever. And going back to being irresponsible and letting the business go ( don`t take this as a dig at Maddie) but she wasn`t thinking about the agency went she just upped and took off for Chicago. Fair enough she wanted to sort through her feelings so she turned to where she felt safe `Mum and Dads` but who could David turn to for advice and support , there he is all alone in LA not only struggling with his feelings but also trying to run a business at the same time.I think David did a good job at keeping the agency running untill his run in with Huntley.I really love Davids character in Father Knows Last because we get a chance at seeing beneath the cocky sure of him self exterior and we finally see just how much he is ripped up inside with his conflicting emotions ( wanting to follow Maddies wishes and stay away but at the same time being desperate to talk to her and tell her how much he wants her and the baby.)
But hey that`s just how i see it , but it`s good to hear different points of view too, that way i can try and see it from a different angle.

dihop

08-16-2006, 11:14 PM

That's what I love about these discussions -- the fact that after 20 years, there are still new things to be discovered.

I had never considered that David had an option to go directly to Chicago....even with "Daddy's" check, I had always assumed he needed to get back to LA to resolve all the issues, and get the company rolling again.

I'll have to try and wrap my mind around the idea that perhaps someone else would have handled it had he gone on to Chicago, and whether he would have had the confidence to face Maddie had he not been 100% sure the business was up and running.

One other thought crosses my mind from Laura's response that I think is an interesting discussion point. What kind of a job do you think David was doing during the time Maddie was away? Forget how your heart bled for him, and really.......was he giving the job his all? Or as much of his all as he always gave it?

I'm going to toss the question out there....but "hold my piece"....while I think of some examples to support my feelings.

Anybody??

neon000

08-22-2006, 04:24 PM

I don't think his heart was in the job while she was gone at all.

There are references to him 'staring at the wall' one weekend and I seem to remember that he alternated between being furious and just utterly sapped of energy, completely confused. He didn't like work, he didn't like life, he literally did not know what to do without her there.

I don't doubt that this must have affected his ability to concentrate on work and put in 100% effort and presence of mind. He is certainly not responsible for what went on while he was in jail, as that was a case of mistaken identity. However, when he comes back, the office looks so messed up that I'd venture to say he 'wasn't really there' (in both senses of the term) for more than just the jail time. It was bad before that.

dihop

08-22-2006, 09:20 PM

Oh I am so glad I asked this question......I was starting to think I was the only one who thought that way.

From the very first episode, David struck me as the kind of guy who worked to live rather than lived to work. It always seemed logical to me that City of Angels was a dependable tax loss for Maddie because David not only was NOT the best detective in the world, but was not really interested in becoming a great detective. Work was the time to fill between one party and the next.

Then Maddie came along. I think at first, his main objective was to prove her wrong -- to show her that he and the agency had potential. Blue Moon didn't become successful (or semi-successful, depending on your viewpoint) until they worked together as partners. Maddie brought out a lot of good qualities in David, even if she didn't always see them.

But, when she went to Chicago, all of the oomph went out of him. He didn't want to go on without her.....in any aspect of his life, and he lost any kind of focus. He sulked, he moped.....he even let Bert take the lead. I could go on and on with examples...but my take was, he really wasn't interested in being successful because he didn't have Maddie to share that success with.

True, the straw that broke the camel's back was him being imprisoned....but there was a bale's worth of hay on that camel by then. :wallbang

kismet

09-13-2006, 01:26 PM

Well, I'm waiting...

What's the skinny on the season 4 DVDs?

I won't have the money to buy my set until Friday. Any comments on the commentaries? Any opinions? What's the scoop?
Inquiring minds want to know. I need to know! :D

CyBr

09-13-2006, 01:58 PM

My honest reaction to the commentaries was sadness. Bruce and Cybill both talk about not liking the writing by then. Neither of them seemed to like the episode they were commenting on. I guess I wasn't really surprised. I liked Allyce & Curtis. They seemed to have their regular "grin and bear it" attitude. There were some happy parts, but mostly I thought it was just sad. JMO. :(

kismet

09-13-2006, 02:03 PM

Downer.

Which episode(s) did they comment on?

Ro35

09-13-2006, 02:10 PM

Yeah i agree with that too CyBr, I actually got my hands on the dvds on Saturday at a store by me. I was shocked! I only listened to B/C commentaries so far. To bad trhey can't do commentary on episodes they liked doing. Even the dvd set is missing things such as listing of credits on back and listing of commentary episodes on phamphlet and no pictures on the discs this time except for a skyline picture. I did enjoy Cybill's commentary more but felt bad for her at the end . She got very emotional. But I'm glad to have season 4 on dvd now just so i can have clear episodes to watch. My vhs tapes have had it. And even though i dislike alot of season 5 i want it on dvd too. But who knows how much they will even put into this if they didn't put time and money into season 4 dvd set. Oh well.

CyBr

09-13-2006, 02:11 PM

Bruce did "A Trip to the Moon" with Glenn, who wrote it. Cybill did "Maddie Hayes Got Married" with Roger Director, who co-wrote that one. Both of them had parts they liked. Bruce liked "The Honeymooners" and Cybill liked the scene when her veil got caught in the church door, but they both spent a lot of time talking about what was wrong.

dreams200377

09-14-2006, 06:48 AM

the commentaries were on the depressing side. With some of the things said by Glenn/Bruce about certain dialogue, I wonder if it had been done now, how it would be changed. I actually enjoyed some of what the characters say in these episodes.

I enjoyed Cybill's commentary more too.

adyjdy

09-14-2006, 08:04 PM

Man! If B and C were so disappointed with S4, as they mentioned in the commentaries, how much worse will the comments be for S5?!? I hate to think!

neon000

09-15-2006, 02:36 PM

I always wondered what the actors themselves wanted to happen to the characters, since the actors didn't get to do the writing. (Not on this show, anyway.)

kismet

09-15-2006, 02:51 PM

In A Womb With A View, Maddie/Cybill gives David/Bruce such a longing look when he is referring to the baby that it gave me chills. I hope that Cybill would have wanted Maddie and David to have a baby.
Having the miscarriage was such a low moment of the show. Give me the first half of Womb - you can have the rest of it and "shove it where the sun don't shine".

Ro35

09-15-2006, 03:13 PM

Kismet, I agree with you on WWAW. I love the first half but hate the second half during the shower scene. With Cybill just having give birth to her twins it must have been very hard to play those scenes of losing a baby. I undertstand they are actors but i'm sure it was hard to do. If commentarys are done for a season 5 dvd set WWAV i think would definately be one for commentary.

laura a

09-15-2006, 06:26 PM

I finally got my hands on my copy of season 4today, and i have to say WHERE ARE ALL THE EXTRAS!.

Well anyway i had to watch Bruce and Glenns commentary on A Trip To The Moon, and yes they were very down beat about the whole episode but i think Bruce made some great comments too. For example Bruce inlightened us into the fact that in regards to Davids feelings towards Maddie was that it wasn`t just about the sex and that he felt that David was in love with Maddie probably from the begining and that he felt that he had had a crush on her from day one.
Also Bruce loved that fact that Ray Charles was on the show too.
And i loved Bruces reaction to the office scene in which he declares his love for Maddie , he seems genuinely taken back by it say "wow i forgot about this stuff" ( or words to that effect)
What also made me laugh was that Bruce kept commenting on how his physique looked in this episode and how beefed up he looked as he had been working out for Die Hard ( couldn`t agree more Bruce:D ) he did look gorgeous.
Another thing i noticed is that how much more clued up Bruce seemed this time round in regards todates and episode titles and he was right on the money about Cybills pregnancy ,even more so than Glenn and didn`t seem so bitter about the change of events. Yes he did say that the show took a more serious turn and that he missed all the funny stuff but he was also philosophical about it too by saying that by Cybill being pregnant and taking time out -the window of opportunity was opened for him to do Die Hard so in his mind it wasn`t all bad .
And Glenn - well Glenn spent the whole time saying that he couldn`t even remember writing or shooting most of this particular episode.
Well all in all i don`t think this commentary was that bad,in some places Bruce seemed to open up a little bit and let us in to what was going on in his head during this crazy period . So i liked it.

Right moving on to Cybills commentary with Roger Director in Maddie Hayes Got Married.
Again i have to say i loved this one too.
Both Cybill and Roger seemed to enjoy watching this one and were laughing quite alot
I liked Cybills comment on the expression on Bruces face in the scene when Walter/Dennis Dugan says about how important Maddie is to him and that he hopes that he and David could "forged a relationship"
Cybill seemed transfixed by the hidden emotion in Bruces face.
Once again Cybill commented on how gorgeous Bruce looked and that because by now he had learned to `kiss properly` she really enjoyed kissing Bruce around this time!
She also went on to say how much she enjoyed working with Dennis Dugan but felt that that because of the conflicting views with Glenn on how Maddies pregnancy should have been delt with, she wasn`t able to play these scenes to do with Maddies marriage with much conviction.
She mentioned Brooke Adams involvement on the show and how she came to be in it Cybill also seemed confused over the identity of the father of Maddes baby and how like we said that it looked like that the writers kept changing theirs minds - so it`s like oh right now we think it`s Davids and now it`s Sams and now it`s Davids again.Lets face it if the actors were confused what hope did we the viewer have.
But i think Cybills commentary at the very end did it for me, what she said was soo true and genuine - i was in tears along with her i think.
Cybills was saying that the line in which she says to David that " whats important here is that we both stop hurting each other" was very true for her and Bruce in real life and when her and Bruce were filming this end scene it was from her heart and felt real to her on a certain level.( think we all knew that the end scene between the two of them was more than just acting)
And she was literatly in tears during the end credits saying how sad she felt at this moment that Moonlighting couldn`t have gone on for longer and that she really wants to work with Bruce again but thinks that it probably will never happen and ( this is a real blow for us all) and she is really upset that there is not going to be a Moonlighting reunion:confused: -well untill Glenn can figure out a way to do it
Now we don`t if these commentaries were done before or after this hub hub thats been floating around recently about Bruce agreeing to bring David Addison back to life so i don`t know how to react on this comment.
Anyway hope i haven`t bored you all too much with my ramblings it`s just that there is so much i want to say on these commentaries and i`m sure i haven`t mentioned it all.
Right i`m off now to watch and listen to Allyce and Curtis`s commentary now so see you later.:wave:

CyBr

09-16-2006, 12:46 PM

Very good comments! What I also noticed when I listened to the commentaries a second time is that both Bruce and Cybill talk about the end of Moonlighting. But while he seems very pragmatic that things happen the way they're meant to, she seems to regret that it didn't go on longer.

neon000

09-16-2006, 04:54 PM

But while he seems very pragmatic that things happen the way they're meant to...

Meant to, as if it were a case of fate or the weather and not a direct result of the actions of the writers and producers?

I think that as soon as he got involved in movies, maybe even before, he thought that all this TV business was beneath him, and little ol' ML was just something cute to appease people. I cannot see how any sane human being who has not been drinking can say the last two seasons resembled anything that was "meant to be." I do not meet many other fans who were very happy with the plot point decisions of the latter seasons. If he thinks that making a sixth season or more would have been worse, I say, we couldn't have gotten much worse than what actually happened in years 4 & 5. Pity he didn't speak up before that. I guess the fans are supposed to accept whatever cr*p people want to hand them.

adyjdy

09-16-2006, 07:56 PM

I have to agree here. The vision, or anything resembling focus was gone from the start of S4. I have to assume this was due to Glenn being taken to the wood shed right around this time.

While Moonlighting was hobbled by some bad plot decisions, it was CURSED with some serious bad luck those last two years.
Cybill's pregnancy, the writer's strike just to name two. Those were show-destroying things in '87!

And while those were really no one's fault, I didn't see a great deal of resilience on the part of the people who could have saved the show...

And, by the way cr*p is the perfect word to describe S5! (First 35-ish minutes of Womb excluded)

CyBr

09-16-2006, 09:07 PM

I completely agree too. Clearly Bruce wanted to move on to his movie career so that's why he looks at the end of ML the way he does. He and Glenn also talked about all the circumstances going on the last two years. Bruce said it wasn't like you could change just one thing and make things different. It was a whole series of things that happened. Cybill's pregnancy was handled badly, I think. The writer's strike dragged Maddie's pregnancy on way too long. The miscarriage drove more fans away (another writing decision), and then Die Hard was a big hit, which was probably the last nail in the Moonlighting coffin.

neon000

09-16-2006, 09:56 PM

Bruce said it wasn't like you could change just one thing and make things different.

I think you could. There are always things going on in people's lives, but they take care of their obligations anyway. Otherwise, how does anything get done?

With his crabby attitude, and I don't think this was the only issue on the show but it was part of it, I sometimes almost wish nothing had ever happened at all. I said almost. You don't like your job, stay home.

dihop

09-17-2006, 12:17 AM

Bruce talks quite respectfully about Moonlighting and the place it had in propelling him to success. I can guarantee you, feeling that Moonlighting as a whole was beneath him was not the issue.

Both Bruce and Cybill have complained about season 5 scripts, and the times leading to the end.

I think it is highly unfair to think that his "crabby" attitude led to the demise of the show. The end of Moonlighting came because NONE of the principal players could make it be as good as it had in the past.

I think Bruce's pragmatism is more in the "Life Happens" vein. And if you read any of Cybill's past interviews, she was extremely happy at the end of the show. I think her sentimentality has her remembering things more like they should have been than as they actually were.....

And in my opinion...there's no going back.

neon000

09-17-2006, 12:53 PM

:rolleyes:

neon000

09-17-2006, 12:56 PM

So much for diveristy of opinions, then.

I think it is "highly unfair" for you to call me "highly unfair." Who's taking things more seriously?

Gotta go, it's the opinion police at the door...

dihop

09-17-2006, 01:18 PM

So sorry.....I guess it is acceptable for you to voice your opinion, but not for me to voice mine........

Who knew?

And I do take things seriously when someone is being maligned. So shoot me.

By the by.....a snide smiley is no less insulting just because it is a smiley.

neon000

09-17-2006, 01:34 PM

I guess it is acceptable for you to voice your opinion, but not for me to voice mine........

Pot, meet kettle.

Your opinion seems to be that I can't say that sort of thing because it does not jibe with your opinion! Do you see how contradictory that is? You want the last word. Heaven forbid anybody should dissent.

And I do take things seriously when someone is being maligned. So shoot me.

This really speaks for itself. Amazing. People can't have any opinion about a public figure you admire. I'm sure some little comment on a message board is really going to affect his life.

I'd laugh if it weren't sad.

By the by.....a snide smiley is no less insulting just because it is a smiley.

And your high horse isn't any less high because it's imaginary.

dihop

09-17-2006, 01:40 PM

Thanks for playing.

neon000

09-17-2006, 01:45 PM

Yes, Officer...

:rolleyes:

adyjdy

09-17-2006, 01:49 PM

I think it is highly unfair to think that his "crabby" attitude led to the demise of the show. The end of Moonlighting came because NONE of the principal players could make it be as good as it had in the past.

I don't know about the "crabby" part of this, but I have to say I agree that he wasn't really giving it his all toward the end. I think of "I See England, I See France, I See Maddie's Netherworld." There are a number of potentially funny David moments in this one, but Bruce's performance is, sorry, awful. He keeps using funny-David voice (This kind of high-pitch, nasal thing.), but he seems to think he can substitute funny voice for actual comedic acting. I can't watch this episode at all because he irritates me so much. How did he go from spot on, hilarious performances to phoning it in? He didn't forget how, and certainly the material he was given deserves a portion of the blame, but not all of it.

dihop

09-17-2006, 05:03 PM

Adyjdy,

I am in agreement that season 5 is not Bruce's best work. I have always strongly disliked "Netherworld"..although both Bruce and Cybill have been quoted as saying that it was the fun episode of the 5th season.

I think the entire cast was seeing the writing on the wall, and preparing for future opportunities, and according to interviews, most were glad to depart.

I find that I do defend Bruce though, for the main reason that I think he totally carried the 4th season. And whether you like or dislike the way the episodes were written, you have to admit that Bruce did some great work that year......much of it understated and heartfelt.....much more serious acting than previous seasons (with the possible exception of the Trilogy). I cannot watch "Father Knows Last" without a tear in my eye and a lump in my throat.

Please don't think I am downplaying Cybill -- I think season 3 was her greatest, and she has some good moments in 4 as well. I am sure it was not easy for either of them to do a show based on the chemistry of the leads when the leads weren't even in the same room.

Like everybody else, I wish the ending had been different.....

I have a nit picky question that has been gnawing at my brain, and although I am not sure this is the right thread for it, I am going to toss it in here. If you think I should post it on a different thread, just let me know and I'll move it.

Recently, fans seem to be much more vocal with negative comments regarding Bruce and Moonlighting. Does anybody think the reason might be that Bruce has been more outspoken about not wanting to do a reunion?

I'm not trying to stir up controversy, but I will duck, just in case anything starts flying!

Thanks,

diane

jkalen

09-18-2006, 08:35 AM

No reason to throw anything at anyone, we all love this show even if we do have different views on things. :)

About David using a funny voice, I'm thinking about Tracks of my Tears actually, when he's just found out Maddie's married and says "What?! You haven't done anything spontaneous in your life?!". That always bothers me, it doesn't seem David. I understand that he was in shock and all, but when we then get to see more of it later on (season 5, which I still love parts of, btw) it does seem like he's using the voice like adyjdy described... But I have always been more of a Maddie/C-fan so I don't know if that's affecting me. This has nothing to do with Bruces comments about a possible reunion, I've always felt that way.
Towards the end of 5th season I get the feeling that everyone involved was ready to be cancelled and if it had ended a proper way it would have been the right time to do it, in my opinion.

I know I might be confusing the characters with the actors, it happens to me a lot.

kismet

09-18-2006, 08:56 AM

from Diane:

"Recently, fans seem to be much more vocal with negative comments regarding Bruce and Moonlighting. Does anybody think the reason might be that Bruce has been more outspoken about not wanting to do a reunion?"

Not from me. I have been upset for a long time that Cybill received ALL of the blame (for at least 15 years). I feel it's only right that Bruce gets some of the blame also. I think Glenn also deserves some of it as well -- actually lots of it.

I think we can all agree that Cybill-bashing has been rampant since season 2.

Even though I wanted a reunion because I wanted them to work together again, I also have always been a realist. In a business where Bruce's women co-workers (actually girls) must be AT LEAST twenty years younger than him (or is that 30 years!!!), I did not expect much when I heard Cybill's name being bantered about.

I am not angry because BW does not want to do a reunion movie. I am angry because there were many problems during Moonlighting, and Cybill was just one of them.

When the DVDs were released, I felt satisfied, maybe even thrilled, that the great performances by Cybill could now be viewed to their fullest. All we heard about for years was how great Bruce was. HEY FOLKS, CYBILL WAS FANTASTIC! Glenn sounded like he had an epiphany when he watched her during the commentaries.

Shall I go on?:lol:

ovrthmn

09-18-2006, 11:55 AM

I totally agree Kismet, you're right on.

Cybill has been bashed and blamed, and why???? Because of her pregnancy???? Come on people.....that's just the boys club jumping on the "let's blame the woman" band wagon. Cybill certainly did not "plan" to have twins and to be off of her feet for most of the pregnancy. They could have worked around it and they could have written a more sensible story line around it. I fully blame Glen here; because of his ego and whatever "stuff" he had going on with his feelings for Cybill, he dropped the ball and failed the show and the fans. Bruce had some ego issues as well, but let's face it....had the actors been handed the same quality writing with the story continuing to go someplace realistic, it would have been a better show in it's last years.

Cybill's work on Moonlighting was outstanding.....she brought such depth, warmth, and complexity to Maddie and in my mind she has never gotten the credit she deserves. For Glen to say or feign anything other than full respect and admiration for what she did with that role and how she brought it to life is just plain sad and very telling of his bitterness/jealousy.

PS: I have not yet purchased my season 4 DVD. I will.......but I must say that it's been pretty depressing hearing what all of you have had to say about the commentaries. I am going to have to steel myself for when I sit down to watch/hear them. Cybill getting emotional at the end of hers??? How sad...........No Bruce and Cybill commentary by themselves???? Very disappointing. The Moonlighting legacy continues, sad, unhappy, frustrated fans. Yet, we're still here.

neon000

09-18-2006, 12:16 PM

kismet

09-18-2006, 12:32 PM

"PS: I have not yet purchased my season 4 DVD. I will.......but I must say that it's been pretty depressing hearing what all of you have had to say about the commentaries. I am going to have to steel myself for when I sit down to watch/hear them. Cybill getting emotional at the end of hers??? How sad...........No Bruce and Cybill commentary by themselves???? Very disappointing. The Moonlighting legacy continues, sad, unhappy, frustrated fans. Yet, we're still here."

I have to admit that I have not bought my season 4 DVDs either. Of course, I did halfheartedly try, but my local Wal-Mart did not carry them. After hearing the depressing commentaries critiques, I didn't even try to go to other stores. I guess I will buy them this week - it's just that Bruce without Cybill, ham without legs, David without Maddie, Maddie with Walter - all of those scenarios just aren't my cup of tea. Now when season 5 hits the stands, I will be there with flying colors, because there are a few of those episodes that I do want to watch.

jkalen

09-18-2006, 01:08 PM

I haven't listened to the commentaries either, I haven't gotten the dvd's yet. But I just have to say that MH Got Married is a very emotional episode in itself, even without commentaries. The end scene has some very wonderful acting that bring tears to my eyes and a happy feeling in my heart. And that's what I believe Cybill must have felt too when she did the commentaries on that one. Either that or I'm just a softy.

dreams200377

09-18-2006, 03:52 PM

I thought the ending of MHGM was wonderful. Cybill's performance was amazing. When she (Maddie) says, "I love you David," i totally believe her. When she goes on to say, she wishes the baby was his, i get goosebumps. I think Cybill is very underrated and she was/is Maddie Hayes. Go Cybill!!!

dihop

09-18-2006, 08:01 PM

I knew I could count on you guys. I truly did not think that Bruce's stance on no reunion had influenced anybody's opinion of him, but I wanted to see what you all think.

I think that those of you who have known me for years (KIS....HAZE...) know that I have always been a big Cybill supporter, and have taken on anyone who blamed the demise of the series solely on her. Moonlighting would never have become the show it is/was without her. Her luminous beauty, her intelligence, her comedic timing......there could be no other who would be Maddie Hayes.

I am sure she had issues, I am sure Bruce had issues...and I do think that she took the brunt of the blame because of the set's boy's club attitude.

But if we are choosing one person we feel responsible for all of the friction on Moonlighting, I have to say it was Glenn Caron. Genius though he may be (and I surely admire his work), his method of working was one that caused his actors much fatigue and stress. Perhaps his youth accounted for his work habits -- I hope by now that he has a better system of planning and respecting his cast.

I think I even respect Cybill and Bruce more for surviving.....but, as they say...what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

And speaking of Cyb, the just showed her on one of the entertainment shows, modeling for Runway for Life.......my God, she looked breathtaking!

She will always have my admiration and respect.

Ro35

09-18-2006, 08:25 PM

I agree that it wasn't Cybills fault either. It was many factors. Alot of it was based on the writing i believe. The actors could only do so much with some of the really bad written episodes. Everything/one played a part. I believe also Cybill doesn't get the respect she deserves for her work. I love her for being herself and sticking to her true self and being honest. I think she is so wonderful! Gosh i would love to meet her. There are a few people in this world that i feel like i would want to meet them not because they are a celebrity but that they seem nice and fun to be around. Cybill is one of them i believe. I will also say i have been a Bruce fan also from the beginning to the present. I see just about all his movies when they come out. How he is personally i don't know but as an actor i support him. Even though season 4 wasn't one of the best i'm still happy to have the dvd set!

jamier42

09-18-2006, 10:16 PM

Hey ya'll, This is Jamie I know ya'll don't probably remember me. But I just wanted to say something on this posts. I always read this post about the season 4 dvd and I did not know about all this stuff that happened or went on at all and I was just wondering what went on. Can I ask a question cause I don't remember but my question is how did Maddie get a miscarriage? I hope that everyone don't mind that I posted here. I love this show. I actually like all of the seasons except I don't know about season 5 yet though. I did watch it when it was on ABC but it has been a very long time. Their is also a couple other things I was wondering about too though.

jamier42

09-18-2006, 10:19 PM

Oh and one more thing everybody I love everyone of ya'll's avatar's I see them like everyday and love them!!!:)

Luar

09-19-2006, 10:24 AM

kismet

09-19-2006, 10:59 AM

Cybill's lookin' gooooooooooooooood.:D
Why doesn't she make more public appearances? Maybe she could go on some talk shows and promote the Moonlighting DVDs? It sure would make my day if she spent some time talking about the GREAT EXPERIENCES she had on Moonlighting. Enough of the negative stuff. Let's hear about the good times. It would be wonderful if there were more bloopers 'n stuff also. There have to be extras out there somewhere.

I sure am hoping that season 5 will be released. I want Bruce and Cybill to do commentaries together. They seemed to get along fabulously - it was Glenn who brought friction to it.

Maybe, just maybe, Cybill and Bruce could do a final thingy on the season 5 set, or MAYBE JUST MAYBE, they could work together on the final DVDs and make it a TOTAL MOONLIGHTING DVD collection. They do re-issue DVDs - wouldn't it be terrific if all of Moonlighting was available in one fabulous set, kind of what they did for the Die Hards, plus Bruce and Cybill could either give a long interview, or even better, give the fans a final episode to see what would have/should have happened if Moonlighting hadn't been so screwed up at the end.

jkalen

09-22-2006, 10:05 AM

I got the dvd's! Yay! Listened to/watched A Trip to the Moon and Maddie Hayes Got Married, so possible spoliers ahead:

I love Glenn for creating Moonlighting. What I didn't care for was that Glenn kept apologizing for his writing in ATTTM! I don't think I've heard any complaints about that David told Maddie he loved her (in the beginning, in the office) or the laundromat sequence. Those are my favourite moments! I think they're very sweet and sincere. And OMG, I know it probably was a joke, but why on earth would Glenn ever say that the reason David and Maddie had to sleep together in the first place was because Cybill was pregnant, so they had to create a baby from somewhere (and that that led to the shows bad quality and ratings later on)??

Bruce seemed to be very proud of his work during the 5th season, so I hope he's up for commenting on possible 5th season dvd's! :D

On MHGM I can only say that I am so thankful Cybill did the commentaries and I love her.

CyBr

09-23-2006, 12:34 PM

I second that! I respect the fact that no matter what was going on behind the scenes, they've all done DVD commentaries. It shows me they are still proud of the show. :D

Tamm

09-23-2006, 03:43 PM

I have just got my DVDs and am having a great weekend watching. I haven't heard Cybill's commentary yet but I didn't find Bruce's too depressing, but how many times does Glenn have to tell the Taming of the Shrew story!?

kismet

09-24-2006, 11:28 AM

For those of you that bought season 4 in the stores, which store(s) did you go to? I have been to Target and WalMart in my area - neither carried season 4. They both had seasons 1/2/3 previously. I am season4less as I write - I want my DVDs.:mad:

adyjdy

09-24-2006, 01:43 PM

Got mine at Borders... though I had to call all over town to find it.

Ro35

09-24-2006, 03:32 PM

Got mine at Coconuts. Some places can even special order for you probably.

neon000

09-24-2006, 04:06 PM

I picked up mine at Borders, the day they came out.

kismet

09-29-2006, 12:09 PM

I finally found my season 4s at Best Buy. Thank you.:wave:
BUT I have a problem - I just can't watch the episodes. The set is sitting near my fireplace, unwatched.
I need someone to think of an incentive for me to turn my DVD player on.
Is Cybill's commentary worth it? Which episode is hers?
Is Bruce's commentary great enough for me to watch and listen? Which episode is his?
Where are the extra pics and other info that previous seasons had?

I have stated before on this site (and others as well) that season 4 is my least favorite season. Bruce and Cybill together are what made Moonlighting interesting IMO, and when they are not physically (or mentally) together, then I have no interest. I also have a very hard time watching David and/or Maddie with Walter and/or Terri so that leaves the last few season 4's unwatched as well.

I need a kick in the butt to get me started. Where should I start?
HELP ME. I'M MELTING...:lol:

Ro35

09-29-2006, 12:29 PM

This is JMO: I liked season 4 more than season 5. I actually like season 4 even more now since i have clear copies on dvd. Cybill is a joy to listen too one reason cause i just love her and She is sincere and honest. She does commentary for MHGM which is one of the epiosdes i love most on season 4. She does get emotionall at the end though. Bruce does TTTM with Glenn. It's an ok commentary. I haven't listened to HLAYK yet but i hear Allyce and Curtis's commentary is terrific and they are great and funny together. I enjoyed most the commentary of CBLS. 2 writers i believe do that one and they are upbeat and positive and give some much info on what goes on to make the episodes. Also i really liked Terry she was innocent in all this and so was Walter who i like too now all these years later. He doidn't know what he was getting into. Well again JMHO.

jkalen

09-29-2006, 01:22 PM

I started watching my dvd set thinking that I would not like the ones from Come BackLS to TracksOMT, in fact I thought that I would hate most of them. I didn't. There's this whole other feel about them that's not exactly the comedy we're used to from earlier seasons. Let me also say that I don't enjoy watching David almost mourning and I really don't care about what Maddie is doing during this time (her parents are entertaining, though). Both Terri and Walter were extremely nice people, it's hard to be angry with them and they both knew when it was time to leave (a bit too late for us)... So why do I like it? I don't know, I just do. All of this are of course just my opinions, people have very different views on the last 2 seasons.

If you don't like A TripTTM, I don't think listening to the commentary will help improve the situation. I recall them saying a few nice things about the show, but not so much about the episode. ComeBLS or HLWYK could help, maybe. Cybil&Roger on MaddieHGM were also really positive!

I absolutely see lot of sparks flying from TOMT to ATFWMW, btw. Those are safe episodes to watch, for me.

Luar

09-29-2006, 02:24 PM

I need a kick in the butt to get me started. Where should I start?HELP ME. I'M MELTING...:lol:

Oh Kis, you are so funny!:lol:
You must see them because Cybill's commentary is very nice, she and Roger enjoyed a lot and the ending tears are very sweet. Also Bruce's commentary is worth to listen to!
Last important thing because you must put on your dvd player is you have to help me know what I miss :crazy:

:wave:

kismet

09-29-2006, 02:39 PM

Oh Kis, you are so funny!:lol:
You must see them because Cybill's commentary is very nice, she and Roger enjoyed a lot and the ending tears are very sweet. Also Bruce's commentary is worth to listen to!
Last important thing because you must put on your dvd player is you have to help me know what I miss :crazy:

:wave:

Thank you for the kick in my butt!:D
I will watch so that I can help you -- I do not want you miss anything. :wave:

laura a

09-29-2006, 06:08 PM

I`m so glad that youv`e finally got round to watching those dvds Kis.

Although i must admit when i first found out that Bruce and Cybill weren`t going to be doing a commentary together i felt like saying "what`s the point in watching them" but then i rememered why i fell in love with the show in the first place. ( Bruce with Cybill , red hot chemistry on and off screen !and great dialogue )

Yeah season 4 was hard to watch sometimes because they were`nt together for most of it but in the same breath there also were some really good episodes with some terrific scenes.

-The " You `knocked` up the boss!" speech....:lol:
- The " i need you , i need this!" tongue kiss scene!!:D
-The " can i a tou.. " scene when David feels the baby in Maddies belly for the first time :) ( really sweet)
-The " I think iv`e fallen madly-deeply head over heals in love...." speech in the office.

Shall i go on :lol:

I loved ALL the commentaries even though Bruce and Glenn were a bit negative about the one they did .

Slightly off subject here folks but did any one else notice the fact that both Cybill and Bruce kepted asking about the baby plot line, hmmm?, Bruce mentioned the fact that he could see that Cybill was starting to show round about that time and how weird it was to watch knowing that the twins are all grown up and only slightly older than Rumer is.
It isn`t really relevant but i thought it was kinda sweet that the two of them still think alike and still have this invisable connection between them .

On that note i`ll think i`ll go and watch A Trip... and Maddie Hayes Got...
again.:wave:

CyBr

09-29-2006, 09:33 PM

I liked all the commentaries, but I think "A Trip to the Moon" was the most depressing. I like the opening part of that one up through the office scene, and I also like the laundromat scene. The middle drags. It was hard to hear Glenn apologizing to Bruce so much about the lines he wrote for him. (Maybe he should apologize to Cybill for the whole marriage thing!) Cybill did say several times that Glenn acknowledged that was a mistake, but I was frustrated that she seemed so confused about the plot. I wish Roger Director had cleared up some of the inconsistencies in the writing. I really enjoyed hearing Allyce and Curtis, although "Here's Living With You, Kid" isn't a favorite of mine. (Wonder why?) Allyce seemed a little bothered when Curtis said this episode was low rated because it's the only one Bruce and Cybill are not in. (If you remember, Bruce even said that at the end of "And the Flesh Was Made Word" before Curtis did the Wooly Bully.) I also liked the commentary for "Come Back Little Shiksa." It was light hearted, maybe because there were no actors on that one and they could be a little more objective about it all. Just my two cents...

kismet

09-30-2006, 07:03 PM