View Full Version : New York Daily News TV Critic Review of Alice in December of 1976


TVFactFan
06-07-2006, 04:43 PM
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore" was a bittersweet movie about a gusty widowed waitress and would-be singer hoping to start a new life and a sho-biz career. Alice is CBS's takeout version-or TV dinner.

Alice still waits on tables, but she doesn;t sing, which made her so touching in the movie. Here, she seems almost glad to be working ina truck stop: there's no feel of frustration. They hardly mention her career these days. Linda Lavin as Alice works time-and-a half to look naive and helpless, but she belongs in a New York deli, not an Arizona diner. Lavin is too dryly satiric for the slam-bang world of situation comedy. Alice offers fun without humor and without being human: when Alice concludes that her late husband cheated on her, she gets off a zinger; when her son asks about sex, she stutters and squirms. This is knee-jerk gagwriting; it is designeed to show off the writers, not the characters, and so everyone winds up doing stand up stick: "Mom, you gotta show him some leg; I gotta X-rated kid!....What's the soup du jour? Split pea. That was the soup du yesterjour........Kiss mah grits.....Can't you be nice to a hardworkin girl? I don't know-i never had one work here before....Kiss mah grits

At Mel's Diner, the jokes plie up like dirty dishes, and the pace is so fast that there's no room between them for much more than cardboard-cutout characters, like growly owner Mel(Vic tayback) and trembly waitress Vera(Beth Howland). A truer note is struck by the kiss-mah grits gal, Flo. Twangy, gum-popping Polly Holiday plays her as if she's been born with a greasy spoon in her mouth. Alice's son Tommy is precociously precocious. The movie's wise-guy kid wore specs and worked deadpan; here, Phillip Mckeon is wideeyed, towheaded and cute-a veritable Patridge.

Like most new situation comedies, Alice wants to be silly and sincere all at once, tackling relevant issues in caps and bells. The canned laughter has been replaced by canbed editorials: in one episode, Alice dated an ex-jock who turned out to be gay(homsexuals are this season's big laugh-getters), but when she refused to let tommy go fishing with him, Mom realized her own hypocrisy, etc. In a recent seminar on sex eduucation, Tommy's teacher showed a film on reproduction in the diner, and there was much fine talk to the tune of "alarming increase in pregnancies," peer pressure," "sex is more than physical" and-the topper-"valuesof love, caring and responsibility must come from the home..........we in sex education can only do so much." Still, that episode was hardly as pianful as the one that mined it's tin-ear gags and synthetic sentiments from a pair of suicide attempts. The current rage in TV comedy is to make tidy sociological points at the expense of good old laughter, and it's like trying to have your pie and throw it too. Alice throws pies even slings hash-but still it keeps on missing.


December 1976, NY Daily News, Gerald Nachman

Brian Damage
06-07-2006, 05:10 PM
Man O Man, do I disagree with that review. The worst thing about Alice is when they focused episodes on her singing.

TVFactFan
06-07-2006, 06:31 PM
Man O Man, do I disagree with that review. The worst thing about Alice is when they focused episodes on her singing.


I agreed with tne statement-"TREMBLING VERA"-lol

Brian Damage
06-07-2006, 11:48 PM
I agreed with tne statement-"TREMBLING VERA"-lol

That's true, she did look like she OD'd on coffee. lol

mstewart
06-08-2006, 12:11 AM
Man O Man, do I disagree with that review. The worst thing about Alice is when they focused episodes on her singing.

Those were some of my favorite episodes when Linda Lavin got to sing. Wow she sure can belt those broadway tunes out.

TVFactFan
06-08-2006, 01:03 AM
Man O Man, do I disagree with that review. The worst thing about Alice is when they focused episodes on her singing.

I was laughing at the part when he said Linda Lavin's character looked like she belonged in NYC not Arizona-lol I told you she reminded me of Elaine, and this was said WAY before the Elaine character existed

Mikado
06-08-2006, 03:54 AM
I agree with every word of that review

Ireneparalegal
06-08-2006, 10:29 AM
I agree with the review also. But what a reviewer says and how the show ends up can be two totally different things. I love Alice.

TVFactFan
06-08-2006, 10:44 AM
I agree with the review also. But what a reviewer says and how the show ends up can be two totally different things. I love Alice.


Irene everyones know that irene-lol

Ireneparalegal
06-08-2006, 10:50 AM
Irene everyones know that irene-lol
but what i am trying to say is that rarely do I agree with a "bad" review of a show. I was expecting to say, what does this reviewer know, blah blah blah. However, this review describes the show as being real BAD but it's so true. If I went solely by the review, then I would not have watched the show. The review described the show to a tee and yet it's those things that made me like the show.

TVFactFan
06-08-2006, 06:40 PM
but what i am trying to say is that rarely do I agree with a "bad" review of a show. I was expecting to say, what does this reviewer know, blah blah blah. However, this review describes the show as being real BAD but it's so true. If I went solely by the review, then I would not have watched the show. The review described the show to a tee and yet it's those things that made me like the show.


The only time the show wasn't watchable to me is when they were at Alice House

TVFactFan
04-22-2007, 07:20 PM
Read the Review again since I started watching the show on ION and I do agree with the Critic when he says Alice doesn't look miserable to be working at Mel's dinner. To me it does look like Alice is not bothered by working at a Truck Stop and not concerned about singing-lol

Brian Damage
04-22-2007, 08:37 PM
Read the Review again since I started watching the show on ION and I do agree with the Critic when he says Alice doesn't look miserable to be working at Mel's dinner. To me it does look like Alice is not bothered by working at a Truck Stop and not concerned about singing-lol


That is not true Solomon, Alice was going to night school to better herself.

TVFactFan
04-22-2007, 08:41 PM
That is not true Solomon, Alice was going to night school to better herself.


From watching the show so far, she looks THRILLED to be working at Mel's diner-lol

Brian Damage
04-22-2007, 08:48 PM
From watching the show so far, she looks THRILLED to be working at Mel's diner-lol


I wouldn't say thrilled, just a good worker with good friends.

Ireneparalegal
04-22-2007, 08:49 PM
That is not true Solomon, Alice was going to night school to better herself.
Thank you for bringing that up. What purpose did night school serve Alice? If she was going to get a career out of it or get her degree, something along those lines, I can see, but what was the purpose? Her whole focus remained on SINGING.

Also, Solomon, you said that Alice looked like she belonged in NYC...well, the character is from New Jersey who happened to move to Phoenix. Which brings my second question...Why is someone who is focused on a music career moving to the far away land of Phoenix? Phoenix is not Los Angeles or New York City, where you can establish a musical career. :lol:

Brian Damage
04-22-2007, 08:51 PM
Thank you for bringing that up. What purpose did night school serve Alice? If she was going to get a career out of it or get her degree, something along those lines, I can see, but what was the purpose? Her whole focus remained on SINGING.

Also, Solomon, you said that Alice looked like she belonged in NYC...well, the character is from New Jersey who happened to move to Phoenix. Which brings my second question...Why is someone who is focused on a music career moving to the far away land of Phoenix? Phoenix is not Los Angeles or New York City, where you can establish a musical career. :lol:


Well, didn't she get stuck in Phoenix?

TVFactFan
04-22-2007, 08:52 PM
Thank you for bringing that up. What purpose did night school serve Alice? If she was going to get a career out of it or get her degree, something along those lines, I can see, but what was the purpose? Her whole focus remained on SINGING.

Also, Solomon, you said that Alice looked like she belonged in NYC...well, the character is from New Jersey who happened to move to Phoenix. Which brings my second question...Why is someone who is focused on a music career moving to the far away land of Phoenix? Phoenix is not Los Angeles or New York City, where you can establish a musical career. :lol:


The TV Critic said that Alice looked like she belonged iin NYC, not me-lol

Brian Damage
04-22-2007, 08:54 PM
The TV Critic said that Alice looked like she belonged iin NYC, not me-lol


Well, then, that was stupid for the critic to say. lol

Ireneparalegal
04-22-2007, 08:55 PM
Well, didn't she get stuck in Phoenix?
She did, but looking for a music career in Phoenix? If she was fiercely looking to get a career in music it wasn't going to happen there.

Ireneparalegal
04-22-2007, 08:56 PM
I was laughing at the part when he said Linda Lavin's character looked like she belonged in NYC not Arizona-lol I told you she reminded me of Elaine, and this was said WAY before the Elaine character existed
Don't you agree with the critic here?

TVFactFan
04-22-2007, 08:58 PM
Don't you agree with the critic here?


Oh yeah I agreed with him, I was just saying that wasn't my intial statement. But yeah she reminds me of Elaine from Seinfeld

Brian Damage
04-22-2007, 09:00 PM
Oh yeah I agreed with him, I was just saying that wasn't my intial statement. But yeah she reminds me of Elaine from Seinfeld


She reminds me a little of Fran Fine.

Ireneparalegal
04-22-2007, 09:01 PM
Ok, now that we got that settled, I still want to know why Alice went to night school? What was the purpose? I can see if she was learning to read better or better her speaking skills, but that wasn't the case.

Brian Damage
04-22-2007, 11:26 PM
Ok, now that we got that settled, I still want to know why Alice went to night school? What was the purpose? I can see if she was learning to read better or better her speaking skills, but that wasn't the case.


I don't think it was ever addressed what she was going to school for.

Ireneparalegal
04-22-2007, 11:31 PM
I don't think it was ever addressed what she was going to school for.
Because it would have been ridiculous for the writers to have Alice obtain some sort of degree and still work at the diner. :lol: When I seen it mentioned the first time abt night school, I was like WTF????:lol: Ok, if she is going to achieve a goal and get a better job, that would be better than her trying some half-ass dream abt becoming a singer, especially at her age. :lol:

Brian Damage
04-22-2007, 11:52 PM
Because it would have been ridiculous for the writers to have Alice obtain some sort of degree and still work at the diner. :lol: When I seen it mentioned the first time abt night school, I was like WTF????:lol: Ok, if she is going to achieve a goal and get a better job, that would be better than her trying some half-ass dream abt becoming a singer, especially at her age. :lol:


Well, if they pursued the school storyline more, it would've taken at least 4 years for her to get a degree.

Ireneparalegal
04-22-2007, 11:55 PM
Well, if they pursued the school storyline more, it would've taken at least 4 years for her to get a degree.
Exactly my point. Why make a storyline abt school only to drop it? It was moot to even mention it.

Brian Damage
04-23-2007, 12:00 AM
Exactly my point. Why make a storyline abt school only to drop it? It was moot to even mention it.


They changed direction. Perhaps on Lavin's insistence or just because they wanted to add a little spice to things.