A friend of mine from the board came across a composite sketch on the doe network that they thought resembled Donald Eugene Webb. They notified the people at the doe network and officials are currently investigating to see if it could be him. Very interesting!! We're anxious to know everyone's opinion if you think it looks like him (also the location found and age seem to match). I must say I think it bears a very strong resemblance to Webb, expression and all, and wouldn't be a bit suprised if it was him. I know they will update us when they find out for sure if it turns out to be him or not.

Donald Eugene Webb's picture:
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=23940

Unidentified male on doe network:
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/179umfl.html

Wow! It does look like him! I mean, how many people have a face like that? :lol:

That's a gruesome sketch...if it is him...wow.

Wow...that really DOES look like him. Not only that, but according to his profile on the fbi's website: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/webb.htm , he fits the height and weight for the man on the doenetwork site.

Wow, this is exciting! Was it someone from this board who made the connection?

Wow...that really DOES look like him. Not only that, but according to his profile on the fbi's website: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/webb.htm , he fits the height and weight for the man on the doenetwork site.

Wow, this is exciting! Was it someone from this board who made the connection?

Yes it was one of our own with the eagle eye. They're still waiting to hear back from doe whether or not it matches and then I'm sure they'll post more about it.

I guess my opinion will be obvious: default to massive probability and say no, it's not him.

I'll root to be wrong but the guy in the sketch seems more like a transient, teeth removed and doesn't wear false teeth. Then check out the description of Webb; likes to dine in fine restaurants and is a big tipper. Doesn't seem like a match unless Webb fell off the deep end while on the run

Should be simple enough to check, given the tattoo specifics from Webb's profile. But if it's him, why wouldn't the blurb from the composite mention the tattoo of the names, Ann and Don?

Unless the body was so badly decomposed those tattoos were gone. After all, it says dead for 6 to 8 months. That's also a reason to question how accurate the composite is.

I can hardly believe you don't agree Awsi. :p

It possible its not him, we'll know soon enough but you can't dispute they do resemble each other. For them to say he doesn't wear dentures....how do they know if he was found dead 6 months later? Yes I'm assuming why they made no mention of tattooes on him, because he was so badly decomposed (imagine what a body would look like after 6 months of Florida heat) they were probably gone by the time he was located.

As for fine dining, an elderly man on the run for decades isn't going to have money or be stupid enough when he's on the top ten list to be out fine dining not to mention I would definitely think he didn't have any money and was pretty much forced to live like a transient.

Crystaldawn, that's amazing! The resemblance is definitely startling: look at the hairline, the nose, the jawline, everything. Plus the fact he was found in Florida, and he's the same age and body size! Check out the side-by-sides:

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/179UMFL.jpghttp://64.237.105.30/multimedia/fileRepository/db/458/239/Webbprimary_lg.jpg

Let's hope it's him!

There must have been some reason for them to mention he didn't wear false teeth. A collapsed mouth? No denture marks on the inside of the mouth? Maybe slurred speech. :lol:

I'm not seeing the Unidentified picture. D'oh!

The way I see it, the chances of it being Donald Eugene Webb are 50/50.

Maybe that P.O. box can be located. Its contents would be vital to finding his identity. Personally, I find it hard to believe he would not have sold or exchanged that rifle for some of the more basic needs transients have-assuming that we really are dealing with a transient. Since no cause of death is given, it could just be someone who had a heartattck on a hunting excursion. I would love it to be Webb, however, considering he did most of his damage in my town!

The way I see it, the chances of it being Donald Eugene Webb are 50/50.

My sentiments exactly.

Wow, I was surprised how much the picture of that man found and Donald Webb look alike. Even if it isnt Webb that guy sure as hell could have passed for him. A lot of the stuff matches up though. Webb was known to be a guy that would probably be hiding out in Florida. Apperantly he loved the warmer climate. The man found in Florida was between 60 and 70 years old. The man in Florida apperantly died sometime in 1995 when Donald Webb would have been in his mid 60's. The height and weight of the two men was very similar. Obviously there is a good chance this isnt Webb however there is also a good chance that it is. Like I said even if this man isnt Webb he sure as heck could pass for him.

My sentiments exactly.

The reason I said "50/50" is because I want to be careful not to get my hopes up too high. That way, I avoid getting too excited about the lead, only to have all that excitement dashed when the lead is disproven. That rule of thumb is especially important to a detective.

I'm sure they have both DNA on file, as well as fingerprints, so they can begin to do some testing on this. Unfortunately, I'm not expecting to hear anything concrete for a few weeks.

Even at those percentages I'd say its the best lead the FBI has had on WEBB in awhile... the vitals certainly seem to match, and the resemblance from the sketch is there.

We will see where the DNA leads us.....

I'm not sure when the board member initially reported the similarities but they told me they haven't heard from the doe network for about 2 months but was told that since the FBI is now involved its harder to get any information. That says a lot in itself that apparently the FBI thinks there a chance it could be him or they would be putting the manpower into checking into it.

I can hardly believe you don't agree Awsi. :p

That's just it, I do agree. I agree a sketch of a guy dead 6 to 8 months looks extremely similar to Webb.

I would know what to do with the 50/50. Also with 20/1 against. Both are far too low, IMO. One of these days the probability aspect is going to flop and the extreme longshot roll in and I'll look like a stooge, but even when that happens I'm not altering my approach on the next one. I've got the entire planet of similar looking men working for me if I say no. You guys saying yes have Donald Eugene Webb, and no one else.

Besides, there are other factors here. We don't know how accurate the sketch is. A picture would be one thing. That composite is based on a body that crystaldawn correctly described as decomposing in the Florida heat. Is the sketch artist Frank Bender caliber, in terms of reconstruction, or is he/she the worst sketch artist in Florida, or maybe the nation?

It's not like the Richard McCoy case, where you have two specific events and therefore the likelihood of one sketch coming close to the actual picture of the other person should be close to nil. Here, you have a composite and get to identify anyone he looks like. Anyone. I agree Webb is a great prospect and I applaud the person who made the potential connection but I'll default to no.

Notice I'm not offering a lifetime supply of Whoppers or anything like that, similar to the Adam Emery case, if I'm wrong. This one doesn't register at zero percentage.

Someone certainly has sharp eyes. That lead's definitely a good one.

I've talked to the poster again and they said they submitted this match back in April of '05 so if they didn't take it seriously they would have certainly ruled it out by now. Do we know if they even have DEW's dna sample available to test? Plus with the unidentified man I don't know if they were able to get any fingerprints but they possibly could have gotten a dna sample from him. I wonder if they don't have Webb's dna if they're possibly trying to locate a close relative of his and test it that way. Does anyone know if he had any children?

You aren't by chance Edwin Silberstang are you? If so, I love your book.


That's just it, I do agree. I agree a sketch of a guy dead 6 to 8 months looks extremely similar to Webb.

I would know what to do with the 50/50. Also with 20/1 against. Both are far too low, IMO. One of these days the probability aspect is going to flop and the extreme longshot roll in and I'll look like a stooge, but even when that happens I'm not altering my approach on the next one. I've got the entire planet of similar looking men working for me if I say no. You guys saying yes have Donald Eugene Webb, and no one else.

Besides, there are other factors here. We don't know how accurate the sketch is. A picture would be one thing. That composite is based on a body that crystaldawn correctly described as decomposing in the Florida heat. Is the sketch artist Frank Bender caliber, in terms of reconstruction, or is he/she the worst sketch artist in Florida, or maybe the nation?

It's not like the Richard McCoy case, where you have two specific events and therefore the likelihood of one sketch coming close to the actual picture of the other person should be close to nil. Here, you have a composite and get to identify anyone he looks like. Anyone. I agree Webb is a great prospect and I applaud the person who made the potential connection but I'll default to no.

Notice I'm not offering a lifetime supply of Whoppers or anything like that, similar to the Adam Emery case, if I'm wrong. This one doesn't register at zero percentage.

I've talked to the poster again and they said they submitted this match back in April of '05 so if they didn't take it seriously they would have certainly ruled it out by now. Do we know if they even have DEW's dna sample available to test? Plus with the unidentified man I don't know if they were able to get any fingerprints but they possibly could have gotten a dna sample from him. I wonder if they don't have Webb's dna if they're possibly trying to locate a close relative of his and test it that way. Does anyone know if he had any children?
April of '05?? Well that sucks. I guess it wasn't him after all.

Well as far as I know it could still be him. Like I said if they had already ruled that out they would have definitely told them but instead they've now brought the FBI in. They did say that to their knowledge it sometimes takes a very long time to identify someone. Especially if there isn't any dna to compare.

I think this time lapse isn't that odd since so much time has passed already. The cases have probably gone through multiple investigators and it's likely that much red tape would be involved especially with getting different departments to communicate with one another.

I STILL can't see the Doe network picture. Can anyone help me out here?

Do we know if there have been any valid sightings of Webb in the past ten years or so?

I STILL can't see the Doe network picture. Can anyone help me out here?

It should take you right there when you click on the link unless you have a popup blocker on or something. Nonetheless you can also get there by going to the website at www.doenetwork.us and click on "search database" and in the search bar type in 179UMFL and it will take you to the page with the unidentified man on it.

rerungirl - I'm not sure when the last confirmed sighting of him was but I found an article from a Penn. newspaper last year and apparently supposed sightings of him are reported quite often but have all been discounted.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_314804.html

I STILL can't see the Doe network picture. Can anyone help me out here?


I'm assuming that's because the doe networm doesn't allow direct linking of it's images (since you seem to be referring to Mr. Fuji's reply) Just click on the link that crystaldawn originally posted...

You aren't by chance Edwin Silberstang are you? If so, I love your book.

Nope. I Googled that name and it looks like he wrote a book on craps. Popular game that I don't play, although the house edge is very low if you know what you're doing.

Did anyone see the age progressed photo? There is a striking resemblance. It said he had a scar on his torso from having a hernia removed. And on the Doe Network it said the person might of had some kind of back surgery. That's sort of a coinsidence. I hope it is him. I can see why some might think it is. Good job to the person who came up with this idea. I hope we hear something soon.

I do not believe that is Donald Eugene Webb, for one reason the ears of Donald Eugene Webb is unequal as shown on the unsolved mysteryes webpage. If you will notice the sketch of the "doe man", his ears are equal on each side of his head

Must agree with Awsi. This guy is probably not Webb. Just a guy who resembles. Like previous entry, the ears are different. PLus, when the body was found, wouldn't the coroner have noted any scars or tattoos on the JOhn Doe. Webb had both a hernia surgery and tattoo. I think this is a homeless guy who didn't have any teeth and had been estranged from friends and family for years. But, worth checking out.

db

Isn't a hernia scar normally in the front, usually in the lower abdomen. I thought Doe's scar was from back surgery. Different places.

Must agree with Awsi. This guy is probably not Webb. Just a guy who resembles. Like previous entry, the ears are different. PLus, when the body was found, wouldn't the coroner have noted any scars or tattoos on the JOhn Doe. Webb had both a hernia surgery and tattoo. I think this is a homeless guy who didn't have any teeth and had been estranged from friends and family for years. But, worth checking out.

db

Isn't a hernia scar normally in the front, usually in the lower abdomen. I thought Doe's scar was from back surgery. Different places.
When they find skeletal remains, there are no scars, tattoos or ears.

hmmmm very intesting indeed, I would have to say the faces do match up quite well as do a good percentage of the vitals. Its very possible it could be him but its hard to say considering that picture is a composite of very badly decomposed remains found laying by I95 for 6-8 months. Sadly, markings like tatoos and scars may have been long gone by the time the body was recovered. However simply judging from the age, height and sketch it does bear a striking resemblence to DEW. Very hard to say but Im very intereted in hearing what comes of it :)

i enjoy reading your articles about Donald Eugene Webb, however in comparing the two pictures < I see no comparison. but it would be great if they found him

I would like to know the outcome of this situation
thanks

I know this is an old thread but I found this article about D.E.W. I had no Idea that they removed him from the FBI's 10 most wanted list.http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/mostread/s_506183.html

Well, apparently it wasn't him, but it sounded like a great lead!

The old links don't work anymore

The old links don't work anymore

Try this one:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/179umfl.html

Try this one:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/179umfl.html

That does look quite a bit like Donald Webb

It couldn't of been Webb as he is still very much alive. He's 81 now, an old man but alive and kicking.

Does anyone have proof of this? When I search his name, it still has him as on the run.

Does anyone have proof of this? When I search his name, it still has him as on the run.

There is no proof of his death nor is there any proof that he's still alive to my knowledge. The link to the DOE network profile has a man who was found dead who strongly resembles him. I personally think Webb has long since died.

There is no proof of his death nor is there any proof that he's still alive to my knowledge. The link to the DOE network profile has a man who was found dead who strongly resembles him. I personally think Webb has long since died.

Has anyone even called in to see if they can test the John Doe against Webb's DNA just to be sure?

I personally think Webb has long since died.

Do you subscribe to the theory he died from wounds with the shootout with Greg Adams? That's what I think happened.

How can that be, as there was a confirmed sighting of Webb in July 1981. A letter was received in 1990 that was initially dubbed authentic but later ruled inconclusive, with "some similarities and some dis-similarities." However, I don't think just anyone could have access to his handwriting, so how could it even closely resemble Webb's handwriting if he didn't send the letter himself?

I'm convinced Webb is still alive because he hasn't been found yet and several people online claim they know where he is and that he's healthy right now. Make no mistake, I hate the guy, what he did is despicable. If anyone deserves a painful death it's that bastard.

Interesting. Couldn't they be charged with aiding and abetting a fugitive if they don't turn him in? It could just be lies. This guy killed a cop, protecting him would be a serious boo boo if anyone found out.

How can that be, as there was a confirmed sighting of Webb in July 1981. A letter was received in 1990 that was initially dubbed authentic but later ruled inconclusive, with "some similarities and some dis-similarities." However, I don't think just anyone could have access to his handwriting, so how could it even closely resemble Webb's handwriting if he didn't send the letter himself?

I'm convinced Webb is still alive because he hasn't been found yet and several people online claim they know where he is and that he's healthy right now. Make no mistake, I hate the guy, what he did is despicable. If anyone deserves a painful death it's that bastard.

I wasn't aware of a confirmed July 1981 sighting, but I do still think it makes far more sense after all this time that he is probably dead.

I don't hate DEW. I don't like what he did.

Do you subscribe to the theory he died from wounds with the shootout with Greg Adams? That's what I think happened.

Anything's possible. They did find "significant" amounts of Webb's blood in his abandoned vehicle shortly after he murdered Greg Adams. But I find it odd that if he did in fact die from wounds caused by the shootout, that his body wouldn't have been found. I think it's possible that he either died from old age, some disease, or took his own life. There have been no sightings of this man since the early 80's, and the only possible authentic communication that came from him was in 1990.

It's certainly possible Webb has died from old age, but that's what people said about Whitey Bulger until he was found alive at age 81. I think Webb hasn't been sighted because he is out of the country and living under an assumed name, probably with some type of altered appearance.

In my opinion, the capture of Bulger proves Webb could still be alive and shouldn't have been removed from the Ten Most Wanted list for several more years.

Excellent points. If one were to be tracking down Webb today, where would one look?

It's certainly possible Webb has died from old age, but that's what people said about Whitey Bulger until he was found alive at age 81. I think Webb hasn't been sighted because he is out of the country and living under an assumed name, probably with some type of altered appearance.

In my opinion, the capture of Bulger proves Webb could still be alive and shouldn't have been removed from the Ten Most Wanted list for several more years.

I thought the FBI always had reason to believe Whitey Bulger was alive. He went on the run in 1994. The DEA had arrested him in 1999, but he'd gotten away while awaiting trial. There was also a confirmed sighting of him in 2002.

I think it's important to bear in mind Donald Webb was really just a burglar and bank robber, when it comes down to it. He was no key organized crime figure. I know the segment mentions he was a member of the Fall River Gang, but that's never been confirmed. Bulger was a crime boss in THE Winter Hill Gang. He's been indicted for over 15 murders. The two are astronomically different. I would expect someone like Bulger to be able to hide out in another country (as he did). I would not expect Webb to do the same. There's no proof he had the connections nor the funds to make it happen.

I'm deleting my previous posts because they sound redundant, truth is I have no clue if Donald Webb is alive and honestly now I believe that he's most likely deceased.

Found this on the doenetwork as well. The height is off, but look how close the date is! Did one of his organized crime cohorts take him out?


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/633umnj.html

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/murders/donald-eugene-webb/

The victim was found dismembered.]

Yikes!

Found this on the doenetwork as well. The height is off, but look how close the date is! Did one of his organized crime cohorts take him out?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/633umnj.html

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/murders/donald-eugene-webb/

I don't think it's him.

Webb shot his victim on December 4th, 1980. The John Doe's estimated time of death was almost a year before his discovery, estimated in January 1980. He was already dead when Webb escaped justice.

Plus the John Doe seems to have had kept his members in the burial site, even if dismembered. The Doe Network mentions the victim had no tattoos, while Webb's reported to have at least one over his arms.

Just ran across this.

http://www.wtae.com/news/fbi-seeks-new-leads-donald-webb-death-of-saxonburg-police-chief/38544636

FBI seeks new leads in 1980 killing of police chief in Butler County
Donald Eugene Webb is wanted for shooting Saxonburg Police Chief Gregory Adams nearly 36 years ago

03/16/16 BOSTON —For more than two decades, Donald Eugene Webb was on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list, suspected of fatally shooting the police chief in a small Pennsylvania town in 1980 before vanishing.

Webb has the dubious distinction of having one of the longest tenures on the list. The FBI, still dogged by the killing, recently stepped up publicity around its $100,000 reward to try to focus attention on the long-cold search for Webb.
So many years have passed now that the reward is payable not only to anyone who provides information leading to Webb's arrest but also to anyone who can lead investigators to Webb's remains.
If he is still alive, Webb would be 84.
When Webb and Police Chief Gregory Adams crossed paths, Webb was a 49-year-old career criminal with mob ties who specialized in jewelry store robberies along the East Coast. He lived in New Bedford, but investigators believe he was in Saxonburg to case a jewelry store.

Adams had moved from Washington, D.C., to escape the violence of a big city and raise his family in Saxonburg, a quiet borough outside Pittsburgh where the most serious crime was usually petty larceny.

On Dec. 4, 1980, Adams pulled Webb over after he ran a stop sign, said Gordon Mainhart, the town's only other police officer at the time. Webb's rental car and Adams' cruiser were seen in the parking lot of an Agway store. A neighbor called 911 after her son heard gunshots.

Adams had been shot twice in the chest and was found lying in some bushes.

"It didn't make any sense," said Mainhart, who rode in the ambulance with Adams. He died on the way to the hospital.

"I was devastated -- just a feeling of why? And how could this happen?" Mainhart said.

Webb left behind a fake driver's license that helped authorities figure out his identity. The license was in the name of Stanley Portas, the late husband of Webb's wife, Lillian. It was an alias Webb had been using.

Webb's car was later found abandoned in the parking lot of a Howard Johnson's restaurant in Warwick, Rhode Island. Authorities found Webb's blood on the driver's-side floorboard, confirming suspicion that he'd been wounded during the struggle with Adams.

About 18 months later, an informant told the FBI he'd seen Webb in Miami. After that, the trail went cold.

Over the years, authorities investigated several theories, including that Webb was killed by members of the Patriarca crime family. Webb was a member of a group of criminals in southeastern Massachusetts known as the Fall River Gang. Authorities believe the gang sold stolen jewelry through the Patriarca family.

Key investigators believe Webb is still alive.

"The guy is a career criminal. He knows how the system works. There's a good possibility that he assumed another name and has hidden out there all these years," said James Poydence, a retired detective with the Pennsylvania State Police.

FBI Special Agent Thomas MacDonald said he believes Webb shot Adams because he knew police would learn he was wanted for a burglary in New York and he'd end up back in prison.

Webb's wife, who divorced him more than a decade ago, told a reporter she didn't want to talk about him.

Adams' widow, Mary Ann -- left with two young sons to raise -- remarried and rebuilt her life but still longs to know what happened in the moments before her husband's death.

"If he's dead, fine, then God will deal with him. But if he's not dead, I would like to see him prosecuted," she said.

Interesting development here. The FBI recently searched the home of Donald Eugene Webb's wife and found a secret room with a cane in it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/slain-police-chiefs-widow-sues-fugitives-wife-son/2017/06/02/972753f4-47a0-11e7-8de1-cec59a9bf4b1_story.html?utm_term=.0cdbef187edd

Since it's been suspected that Greg Adams got off a shot and wounded Webb in the leg, Webb could have hidden out in the room while using a cane at some point. They apparently think it's possible Webb could have been hiding there as late as the 1990s. Adams' widow has just filed a lawsuit against Webb's family over this.

Interesting development here. The FBI recently searched the home of Donald Eugene Webb's wife and found a secret room with a cane in it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/slain-police-chiefs-widow-sues-fugitives-wife-son/2017/06/02/972753f4-47a0-11e7-8de1-cec59a9bf4b1_story.html?utm_term=.0cdbef187edd

Since it's been suspected that Greg Adams got off a shot and wounded Webb in the leg, Webb could have hidden out in the room while using a cane at some point. They apparently think it's possible Webb could have been hiding there as late as the 1990s. Adams' widow has just filed a lawsuit against Webb's family over this.

A secret room with a cane? That's really interesting! Thanks for sharing. It'll be interesting to see where the lawsuit goes.

Interesting development here. The FBI recently searched the home of Donald Eugene Webb's wife and found a secret room with a cane in it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/slain-police-chiefs-widow-sues-fugitives-wife-son/2017/06/02/972753f4-47a0-11e7-8de1-cec59a9bf4b1_story.html?utm_term=.0cdbef187edd

Since it's been suspected that Greg Adams got off a shot and wounded Webb in the leg, Webb could have hidden out in the room while using a cane at some point. They apparently think it's possible Webb could have been hiding there as late as the 1990s. Adams' widow has just filed a lawsuit against Webb's family over this.

Holy crap.

Quite frankly, I normally hate lawsuits because I find them so often to be frivolous. However, in this instance, I hope if nothing else Greg Adams' widow and family get some answers.

It's time for them to fess up if they know something about his whereabouts, dead or alive.

Interesting development here. The FBI recently searched the home of Donald Eugene Webb's wife and found a secret room with a cane in it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/slain-police-chiefs-widow-sues-fugitives-wife-son/2017/06/02/972753f4-47a0-11e7-8de1-cec59a9bf4b1_story.html?utm_term=.0cdbef187edd

Since it's been suspected that Greg Adams got off a shot and wounded Webb in the leg, Webb could have hidden out in the room while using a cane at some point. They apparently think it's possible Webb could have been hiding there as late as the 1990s. Adams' widow has just filed a lawsuit against Webb's family over this.

Wow! Makes me mad to think that piece of crap could have been hiding with his family all those years. All the best to Mrs. Adams with the lawsuit. I hope she gets something out of this if it really is true.

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/north/2017/07/13/saxonburg-police-chief-murder-gregory-adams-donald-webb-digging-backyard-home-cold-case-secret-room-Massachusetts-north-dartmouth/stories/201707130171

It appears that Webb's body may have been found in the backyard of his wife's home. The body was buried in the backyard of Lillian Webb and her son Stanley. Authorities had suspected that the home was a hideout for Webb.

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/north/2017/07/13/saxonburg-police-chief-murder-gregory-adams-donald-webb-digging-backyard-home-cold-case-secret-room-Massachusetts-north-dartmouth/stories/201707130171

It appears that Webb's body may have been found in the backyard of his wife's home. The body was buried in the backyard of Lillian Webb and her son Stanley. Authorities had suspected that the home was a hideout for Webb.

Wooooow. That's gross.

His wife was the core definition of a "ride or die" chick.

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/north/2017/07/13/saxonburg-police-chief-murder-gregory-adams-donald-webb-digging-backyard-home-cold-case-secret-room-Massachusetts-north-dartmouth/stories/201707130171

It appears that Webb's body may have been found in the backyard of his wife's home. The body was buried in the backyard of Lillian Webb and her son Stanley. Authorities had suspected that the home was a hideout for Webb.

Dang! That would be big news. Thanks for sharing.

I always suspected that if Webb died while on the run that someone would have hidden his body somewhere. But it's pretty incredible that his family would decide to bury his body on their own property and not dispose of him somewhere else, so that his death couldn't be tied to them!

What a POS family.

I always thought Webb died from his injuries sustained in the shootout with Greg Adams. If this body is Webb, and I think it's probably him, that shoots that theory down completely. I wonder how long he was alive and in hiding for? Hopefully his wife gives up all of the answers.

The only consolation if true is that he probably had to live his life indoors. Unless he went out disguised, but he might have been too wary of the cops watching the house.

The only consolation if true is that he probably had to live his life indoors. Unless he went out disguised, but he might have been too wary of the cops watching the house.

Living indoors with a bad leg that probably hurt like hell during the New England winters. That's the best you can hope for.

I remember seeing this case back on UM in the 1990s. It always bothered me that Webb literally seemed to have fallen off of the face of the Earth and avoided justice for so long. If they have truly found his body and this seems very likely, I'm glad that the case can finally be closed and I hope that Chief Adams family can at least take some solace in this finally being over.

Authorities have confirmed that the body IS that of Donald Eugene Webb

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/north/2017/07/14/Body-found-massachusetts-saxonburg-pittsburgh-police-chief-webb-adams-cold-case/stories/201707140195

Authorities have confirmed that the body IS that of Donald Eugene Webb

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/north/2017/07/14/Body-found-massachusetts-saxonburg-pittsburgh-police-chief-webb-adams-cold-case/stories/201707140195

WHOOMP, there it is... :eek:

I hope they charge all the family members that had anything to do with hiding him, and I hope DEW suffered horribly until his last breath.

May Greg Adams rest in peace, and may his family get some kind of closure and peace of their own with this news.






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WHOOMP, there it is... :eek:

I hope they charge all the family members that had anything to do with hiding him, and I hope DEW suffered horribly until his last breath.

May Greg Adams rest in peace, and may his family get some kind of closure and peace of their own with this news.






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His ex has immunity.

I wonder how soon FilmRise will update this segment.

I always thought Webb died from his injuries sustained in the shootout with Greg Adams. If this body is Webb, and I think it's probably him, that shoots that theory down completely. I wonder how long he was alive and in hiding for? Hopefully his wife gives up all of the answers.

According to a recent article that I read, it was stated that he had died in 1999. I'm just surprised that he wasn't found until now (if indeed he was buried on his wife's property for that whole time), because I believe that property was searched on a number of occasions.

According to a recent article that I read, it was stated that he had died in 1999. I'm just surprised that he wasn't found until now (if indeed he was buried on his wife's property for that whole time), because I believe that property was searched on a number of occasions.


Maybe previously they could only get a look and see* level warrant as opposed to the search and destroy+ kind that would be needed if he was buried under a deck or a shed or something.

*/+ please be advised, this is not authentic legal lingo. I may have played too many hack and slash video games as a kid/young adult/who the hell am I kidding i still play them

I always liked that most common picture of Webb where his face looked like he was straining to take a dump. They apparently had much better pictures of Webb, some with him resembling Mel Gibson.

I always liked that most common picture of Webb where his face looked like he was straining to take a dump. They apparently had much better pictures of Webb, some with him resembling Mel Gibson.


That B & W photo of Webb always scared the hell out of me.

The cases we thought unsolvable are continuing to be solved this year. I hope this trend continues, and the Webb family has a lot of bad juju

I get that the authorities had to cut a deal with the wife for hiding Webb from 1980-1999 and then concealing his death all these years. But, the same cannot be said for Webb's son. He could still be prosecuted, yes?

Also, the civil case could still proceed because the civil and criminal aren't the same, of course.

Also... has anyone had the thought*– did the FBI not check with Donald Webb's wife all those years? I mean, don't authorities typically keep a close eye on family members when a fugitive goes missing?

Also... has anyone had the thought*– did the FBI not check with Donald Webb's wife all those years? I mean, don't authorities typically keep a close eye on family members when a fugitive goes missing?

Her house has been previously searched.

Her house has been previously searched.

Do you recall what year?

Do you recall what year?

This discusses previous searches http://www.post-gazette.com/local/north/2017/07/13/saxonburg-police-chief-murder-gregory-adams-donald-webb-digging-backyard-home-cold-case-secret-room-Massachusetts-north-dartmouth/stories/201707130171

I guessed it would be Alabama or Pennsylvania. It's always Alabama or Pennsylvania.

I noticed I had some good posts on pages 1 and 2. There's remarkable benefit to, "Just Say No." 50/50 is an overwhelming burden. As I've emphasized, even the most beautifully linked plausible story lines don't threaten to meet 1% likelihood. But the public doesn't recognize it that way, hence the brutal assessment of probability, tragic court verdicts, and so quick to 50/50.

It makes no sense that property belonging to direct relatives is so often the successful hiding place. The site where those three bodies were dug up a couple of years ago was also on a family tract. I'm not asking law enforcement to check out land belonging to a 10th cousin 19 times removed but a home owned and occupied by the wife of the perpetrator seemingly should be in play.

Anyway, after reading about the secret room I instantly remembered a prominent TV movie from the mid '70s when I was a teenager. It was a powerful movie that generated a ton of discussion in the aftermath, both at school and in spots like radio talk shows. The movie really had an impact on me because I was already intrigued by true crime and the kid was roughly the same age I was, or just a year or two older.

I don't doubt that Donald Eugene Webb either saw the movie or was made aware of it, and the movie plot played a role in his successful scheme. That guess is probably 50/50 at worst.

I remembered the plot very well last night but not the title of the movie. I had to look it up: Bad Ronald.

It was about a teenage male who accidentally kills a female of about the same age. The teenager was living with his mother. I don't believe the father was part of the family. The mother and son are scrambling to figure out what to do when they notice the door to a back room in their house. It was hardly a secret room, but one that wasn't necessarily obvious if you weren't familiar with the layout of the home. It was a full sized room directly behind the kitchen, with the door in an odd place alongside the staircase, if I remember correctly. They walled it up and Bad Ronald hid in that room. Once it was walled up it looked like merely a small hallway. I remember one tense scene when the detectives were looking for Ronald and stood in that small hallway observing the house. The mom was extremely nervous but they didn't figure it out.

Ronald's mother talked to him and also gave him food and necessities via a small rigged square opening low in the kitchen wall. The mom made sure Ronald was still studying and exercising. I think he also came into the house proper on occasion. This went on for a long time.

The twist in the movie was when the mom died unexpectedly at a relatively young age, and the home was sold. I think the new owners had teenage daughters.

I only saw the movie once and don't remember the subsequent plot twists. But I do recall a specific conversation my friends and I had in school. We were sure that a secret room like that had actually worked in the past, and would be attempted in increasing numbers as a result of the movie.

Wow. Donald Eugene Webb has finally been found.

It'll take a while for that one to sink in, as he was the one with the longest tenure on the FBI's Top 10 list.

I've now seen two relatively clear COLOUR photos of this horrible man on Facebook articles in the past few days. Why did UM, FBI Top 10 etc use that hideously scary B & W shot?

UPDATE : I've just seen an FBI wanted poster with Colour photos on the CNN website.

I've now seen two relatively clear COLOUR photos of this horrible man on Facebook articles in the past few days. Why did UM, FBI Top 10 etc use that hideously scary B & W shot?

UPDATE : I've just seen an FBI wanted poster with Colour photos on the CNN website.


I don't see why they only used that b&w picture. Those color photos were great. Now they just have to figure out where Brad Bishop, Joe Maloney, and Carl Alfred Eder are

When the amazon streaming came out I thought to myself after watching this segment....ok I can't believe this has not been solved....this will never be solved because he's dead. I feel bad for the family. Webb put both his family and the victim's family in a bind. He should have turned himself in for everyone's sake. I can only speculate, but it was probably hell on earth for both families. one dealing with anxiety of being caught, the other dealing with the anxiety of not knowing the whereabouts of Webb and the disappointment that he was never brought to justice. At the very least this is one case, unlike many others, where there is closure.

I don't see why they only used that b&w picture. Those color photos were great. Now they just have to figure out where Brad Bishop, Joe Maloney, and Carl Alfred Eder are

I think there is a logical explanation- That mug shot was the only (or most recent) photo that the FBI had of Donald Eugene Webb. Think about it- in an era where there was no social media, and driver's licenses didn't have photos yet, how would you get a photo of someone? You'd have to have someone give you the photo or you'd have to find them and take one yourself. I don't think the FBI was able to compel the family to give them photos from the family album without their consent, since they had no proof the family was in touch with DEW.

The color photos were only released recently, after his wife started cooperating with the FBI. She probably provided the color photos to the FBI as part of her immunity deal.

The color photos were only released recently, after his wife started cooperating with the FBI. She probably provided the color photos to the FBI as part of her immunity deal.

I had a bit of a Lightbulb moment yesterday and realised the same thing Hops. :lol:

I guessed it would be Alabama or Pennsylvania. It's always Alabama or Pennsylvania.

I noticed I had some good posts on pages 1 and 2. There's remarkable benefit to, "Just Say No." 50/50 is an overwhelming burden. As I've emphasized, even the most beautifully linked plausible story lines don't threaten to meet 1% likelihood. But the public doesn't recognize it that way, hence the brutal assessment of probability, tragic court verdicts, and so quick to 50/50.

It makes no sense that property belonging to direct relatives is so often the successful hiding place. The site where those three bodies were dug up a couple of years ago was also on a family tract. I'm not asking law enforcement to check out land belonging to a 10th cousin 19 times removed but a home owned and occupied by the wife of the perpetrator seemingly should be in play.

Anyway, after reading about the secret room I instantly remembered a prominent TV movie from the mid '70s when I was a teenager. It was a powerful movie that generated a ton of discussion in the aftermath, both at school and in spots like radio talk shows. The movie really had an impact on me because I was already intrigued by true crime and the kid was roughly the same age I was, or just a year or two older.

I don't doubt that Donald Eugene Webb either saw the movie or was made aware of it, and the movie plot played a role in his successful scheme. That guess is probably 50/50 at worst.

I remembered the plot very well last night but not the title of the movie. I had to look it up: Bad Ronald.

It was about a teenage male who accidentally kills a female of about the same age. The teenager was living with his mother. I don't believe the father was part of the family. The mother and son are scrambling to figure out what to do when they notice the door to a back room in their house. It was hardly a secret room, but one that wasn't necessarily obvious if you weren't familiar with the layout of the home. It was a full sized room directly behind the kitchen, with the door in an odd place alongside the staircase, if I remember correctly. They walled it up and Bad Ronald hid in that room. Once it was walled up it looked like merely a small hallway. I remember one tense scene when the detectives were looking for Ronald and stood in that small hallway observing the house. The mom was extremely nervous but they didn't figure it out.

Ronald's mother talked to him and also gave him food and necessities via a small rigged square opening low in the kitchen wall. The mom made sure Ronald was still studying and exercising. I think he also came into the house proper on occasion. This went on for a long time.

The twist in the movie was when the mom died unexpectedly at a relatively young age, and the home was sold. I think the new owners had teenage daughters.

I only saw the movie once and don't remember the subsequent plot twists. But I do recall a specific conversation my friends and I had in school. We were sure that a secret room like that had actually worked in the past, and would be attempted in increasing numbers as a result of the movie.

Wait is that the one with Scott Jacoby aka Dorothy Zbornak's son

Details are emerging of how Webb avoided capture...

http://www.fox25boston.com/news/fbi-most-wanted-donald-webb-documents-reveal-how-the-gangster-avoided-capture/563154927

I'm glad to hear that his leg was ****ed up from his encounter with Chief Adams. Glad too that his last days weren't pleasant ones. Webb wanted to avoid going back to prison when he shot Adams but made a prison of his own for his final days.

I think the house needs to be demolished. Would YOU want to live there??

Details are emerging of how Webb avoided capture...

http://www.fox25boston.com/news/fbi-most-wanted-donald-webb-documents-reveal-how-the-gangster-avoided-capture/563154927

I'm glad to hear that his leg was ****ed up from his encounter with Chief Adams. Glad too that his last days weren't pleasant ones. Webb wanted to avoid going back to prison when he shot Adams but made a prison of his own for his final days.

Thanks for posting this!

From the article: "Lillian led investigators to her husband’s body. State police found Webb in a green Tupperware storage container, along with a .22 caliber revolver, buried in the backyard." Granted I'm not up on my Tupperware knowledge, but they sold a container big enough for a body? WTF? I think something got lost in translation here. :confused:

I'm glad he had poor health in the end, but he still should have been in jail. I guess his wife really took the "richer or poorer, in sickness and in health, 'til death do us part" vows to heart. Good riddance...

Thanks for posting this!

From the article: "Lillian led investigators to her husband’s body. State police found Webb in a green Tupperware storage container, along with a .22 caliber revolver, buried in the backyard." Granted I'm not up on my Tupperware knowledge, but they sold a container big enough for a body? WTF? I think something got lost in translation here. :confused:

I'm glad he had poor health in the end, but he still should have been in jail. I guess his wife really took the "richer or poorer, in sickness and in health, 'til death do us part" vows to heart. Good riddance...

Is that what they use in at least one episode of Breaking Bad in regards to the Tupperware storage container?

Details are emerging of how Webb avoided capture...

http://www.fox25boston.com/news/fbi-most-wanted-donald-webb-documents-reveal-how-the-gangster-avoided-capture/563154927

I'm glad to hear that his leg was ****ed up from his encounter with Chief Adams. Glad too that his last days weren't pleasant ones. Webb wanted to avoid going back to prison when he shot Adams but made a prison of his own for his final days.

Not to mention being stuck in the house with his wife for nearly 20 years.

:eek:

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If anything the new details are even worse. He didn't even leave the region yet was able to fool a hospital for an entire month. Shouldn't they have been looking for someone with a suspicious leg injury?

Then he's concealed in the couple's home in New Bedford for 17 years, despite all type of strange activity from the wife.

I don't get it. They watched and watched and watched that New Bedford home but never managed permission or impetus to thoroughly search?

But I am convinced that movie "Bad Ronald" likely played a role, debuting only 6 years earlier and extremely high profile and memorable. I'm not sure the younger generations can appreciate the impact of those TV movies during an era with only a handful of major networks available, and no cable. We weren't addicted to button devices. It was outside activities during the day and network TV at night.

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Wareham, MA is around 600 miles away from Saxonburg, PA so I'd hardly call it a "local" hospital.

Police work was even worse back then than it is now and it's still pretty terrible.

I disagree about police work being terrible now. There's a lot of great police work being done out there, some better than others to be sure.

I don't understand how Webb wasn't picked up sooner in one of these houses. Wareham, MA being 600 miles away at least explains how authorities didn't find out about his stay in the hospital although I'm surprised he didn't bleed to death in his car on the way there.

"Agents also ran an Accurint search for the home; Accurint is a public records database. It showed that there was a landline at 28 Maplecrest Dr. registered to Donald Webb."

Not sure if I read that right...he registered a landline in his own name???

"Agents also ran an Accurint search for the home; Accurint is a public records database. It showed that there was a landline at 28 Maplecrest Dr. registered to Donald Webb."

Not sure if I read that right...he registered a landline in his own name???

Yep! Outstanding police work for sure. :lol:

Living indoors with a bad leg that probably hurt like hell during the New England winters. That's the best you can hope for.

I remember seeing this case back on UM in the 1990s. It always bothered me that Webb literally seemed to have fallen off of the face of the Earth and avoided justice for so long. If they have truly found his body and this seems very likely, I'm glad that the case can finally be closed and I hope that Chief Adams family can at least take some solace in this finally being over.
Same. I thought he had left the country. He may as well have been in jail if he spent the rest of his days hiding out in a house with a bad leg.

I had already considered this case a lost cause, and it was probably near the top of the list that UM profiled that would never get solved. Glad to see something has come up.

Same. I thought he had left the country. He may as well have been in jail if he spent the rest of his days hiding out in a house with a bad leg.

I had already considered this case a lost cause, and it was probably near the top of the list that UM profiled that would never get solved. Glad to see something has come up.

I agree, I put this case in the lost cause category with Adam Emery and Brad Bishop. Who knows, maybe tomorrow one of them will be found hiding underground like a rat.

Maybe he was using the landline to order takeout.... Even with minimal changes in appearance, he looks like different people in those color photos. I figured that he died in the aftermath of the shootout or that he was done in by one of his associates. It could be a coincidence, but it's interesting that the letter sent to the FBI was penned the same year that Webb allegedly died.

I think they probably used Tupperware as a term for all plastic storage bins. There's no way he was in Tupperware unless he was cut into a LOT of small pieces. It was probably more like one of the Rubbermaid totes.

More details on what happened afterwards, including the extent of Webb's injuries.

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/north/2017/07/20/Saxonburg-police-chief-Greg-Adams-Donald-Eugene-Webb-investigation-answers/stories/201707200149

http://triblive.com/local/valleynewsdispatch/12526457-74/fugitive-donald-eugene-webb-died-of-stroke-in-1997-authorities-say

http://www.wtae.com/article/saxonburg-police-chief-greg-adams-broke-leg-tore-off-lip-donald-webb/10334866

I'm really glad to hear that Webb got seriously ****ed up during his encounter with Chief Adams and lived in pain for the rest of his life. He apparently died at the end of 1997 as well.

I think they probably used Tupperware as a term for all plastic storage bins. There's no way he was in Tupperware unless he was cut into a LOT of small pieces. It was probably more like one of the Rubbermaid totes.

Ahhh... Now that would make sense. When I heard he was buried in Tupperware, I immediately thought of the 1970's and pictured this:

https://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/3/5/vintage-tupperware-orange-servalier-bowl-838-9-excellent-condition-63355b9bef848bd2662b89b46d8bed1d.jpg

Ahhh... Now that would make sense. When I heard he was buried in Tupperware, I immediately thought of the 1970's and pictured this:

https://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/3/5/vintage-tupperware-orange-servalier-bowl-838-9-excellent-condition-63355b9bef848bd2662b89b46d8bed1d.jpg

LOL. I can only hope they remembered to burp the Tupperware before putting it in the ground. :)

I'm with Necco-- I immediately thought of those big Rubbermaid tubs that you fill with crap and store in your garage. Ours are full of Halloween and Christmas decorations. :)

I read that Adams' son was pretty upset that, in addition to the immunity deal given to DEW's widow, the Adams' civil case against her was also dropped.

Granted this was probably the only way the family would ever find out what happened, but it still bums me out. I was hoping that the civil case would at least go forward.

Granted this was probably the only way the family would ever find out what happened, but it still bums me out. I was hoping that the civil case would at least go forward.
Same here. Webb's widow extended the suffering of the Adams family for decades. Hiding him out was bad enough, but to continue nearly 20 years after Webb's death? Despicable.

Glad to hear this piece of filth suffered towards the end. The fact nothing will ever happen to his widow though makes my blood boil :mad: :mad: :mad:

I just watched this case on Peacock.

I find it interesting that some articles say he was shot by Adams and others say Adams broke his leg and damaged it. He had to be in a lot of pain and living in a dark basement with nothing to do was just like living in prison. He may have had a better time in prison.