Who is more credible and important to the show Good Times?

Who is more credible and important to the show Good Times?



Eric Monte created Good Times in his basement so I chose ERIC!!!!!!!

Eric Monte created Good Times in his basement so I chose ERIC!!!!!!!

True, but if it wasn't for Norman Lear, that script would still be in his basement. lol

True, but if it wasn't for Norman Lear, that script would still be in his basement. lol


His word still means a lot

His word still means a lot

Not if his script was sold and changed. It is no longer his to speak of.

Yeah Eric wrote the concept of the show, but Norman developed and produced the show. Norman Lear didn't create The Jeffersons, but it's his show he developed and produced that show as well.

My vote is for Norman

Yeah Eric wrote the concept of the show, but Norman developed and produced the show. Norman Lear didn't create The Jeffersons, but it's his show he developed and produced that show as well.

My vote is for Norman


It's a Norman Lear Show, YES, but it's not a spinoff

It's a Norman Lear Show, YES, but it's not a spinoff


If it's his show then only he should KNOW that if was a spinoff or not. And since it's HIS SHOW and he said that it WAS a SPINOFF then it's a SPINOFF.

If it's his show then only he should KNOW that if was a spinoff or not. And since it's HIS SHOW and he said that it WAS a SPINOFF then it's a SPINOFF.

Exactly, it just befuddles me how Solomon does not comprehend that. Norman Lear overrules what Monte says.

Well, we already know what the answer is. LOL.

Who is more credible and important to the show Good Times?

I would say both. You have the creator and the producer. They couldn't work without the other. Monte brought the real experience and Lear used his clout with the networks to get on the air.

I would say both. You have the creator and the producer. They couldn't work without the other. Monte brought the real experience and Lear used his clout with the networks to get on the air.



Good Point

I would say both. You have the creator and the producer. They couldn't work without the other. Monte brought the real experience and Lear used his clout with the networks to get on the air.

That is true, but who is the one collecting all the royalty checks? It is not Monte, it is Lear. It became his show. Once it became his show, he has final say.

That is true, but who is the one collecting all the royalty checks? It is not Monte, it is Lear. It became his show. Once it became his show, he has final say.


It's a not a such thing as a show TURNING INTO a Spinoff. Good Times was about a poor black Famly and Maude was about well you know the rest-lol

It's a not a such thing as a show TURNING INTO a Spinoff. Good Times was about a poor black Famly and Maude was about well you know the rest-lol


Solomon, you are so wrong that it actually hurts. Sitcoms can turn into spinoffs. Frasier is a perfect example. Originally it was going to be about a totally different character than Frasier Crane, but the network thought it would work better if the lead character changed to Frasier, therefore making it a SPINOFF. You are really losing it lately. lol

Solomon, you are so wrong that it actually hurts. Sitcoms can turn into spinoffs. Frasier is a perfect example. Originally it was going to be about a totally different character than Frasier Crane, but the network thought it would work better if the lead character changed to Frasier, therefore making it a SPINOFF. You are really losing it lately. lol

I wll be posting article with Lear saying the opposite of what he said on that inteview. Give me about 3 weeks

I wll be posting article with Lear saying the opposite of what he said on that inteview. Give me about 3 weeks

Sorry Solomon, but if it isn't more recent than this interview, you are out of luck.

Sorry Solomon, but if it isn't more recent than this interview, you are out of luck.


It sill would be a contradiction no matter when it was said. Be on the look out

Monte created the characters and the situation. Lear put it into action and developed the show. If it wasn't for Lear, it would be Eric Monte who? In fact, it's that way with most people anway.

Monte created the characters and the situation. Lear put it into action and developed the show. If it wasn't for Lear, it would be Eric Monte who? In fact, it's that way with most people anway.


Well if Monte created the situation and the characters then why is this even being debated?-lol Like I said, No spinoff.

I wll be posting article with Lear saying the opposite of what he said on that inteview. Give me about 3 weeks


I won't believe any article you post, because you can add words in or take out. Unless you actually scan it and it's from a magazine or book then I'll read it. But if it's something that you will copy and paste that's text, then I won't give it the time of day. Or in your words it will be a waste of EYESIGHT.

Well if Monte created the situation and the characters then why is this even being debated?-lol Like I said, No spinoff.
Monte didn't make the decisions to spin off shows. That was Norman Lear's job, and he said that he spun off Good Times from Maude.

Monte didn't make the decisions to spin off shows. That was Norman Lear's job, and he said that he spun off Good Times from Maude.


Exactly!

Monte didn't make the decisions to spin off shows. That was Norman Lear's job, and he said that he spun off Good Times from Maude.


For the last time Janice, LEAR WROTE ESTHER AND JOHN OUT OF THE MAUDE Situation so he could put them in a NEW COMEDY. Just like Jason Bateman being WRITTEN OUT OF Silver Spoons so he could star in a NEW COMEDY called It's Your Move

Has everyone came to this board and agreed with me? I smell a contradiction-lol

Has everyone came to this board and agreed with me? I smell a contradiction-lol


UMMMMMMMMMMMM NO, What the hell are you talking about, "Florida was written out."??????? He spun Florida off into her own sitcom, why can't you see that. How are you going to tell us that Lear didn't spinoff Good Times when Lear himself said it, the words actually came out of his mouth. So you should just stop because you're actually making yourself look sad.

For the last time Janice, LEAR WROTE ESTHER AND JOHN OUT OF THE MAUDE Situation so he could put them in a NEW COMEDY. Just like Jason Bateman being WRITTEN OUT OF Silver Spoons so he could star in a NEW COMEDY called It's Your Move

Please give me a LOGICAL explanation why Florida Evans was used on BOTH shows. Don't give me that the writers forgot to change the name. I want a reason that makes sense. Even your biggest ally Trishalla admits that Florida Evans WAS spun off, it just wasn't a direct spinoff. What do you have to say for yourself?

Has everyone came to this board and agreed with me? I smell a contradiction-lol


WOOOOW! :confused: I have never seen so much denial. It is a shame that things have gone this far. I am in awe. There was a video with a man that said that it was a spinoff. We all know that a pilot does not have to be made in order to Spinoff a show. You wanted to hear it from Norman himself. You don't like what you heard and still want to debate it. WOW!:eek: Whew! Florida went to Good Times from Maude. WOW, dude. If you only knew....

For the last time Janice, LEAR WROTE ESTHER AND JOHN OUT OF THE MAUDE Situation so he could put them in a NEW COMEDY. Just like Jason Bateman being WRITTEN OUT OF Silver Spoons so he could star in a NEW COMEDY called It's Your Move


It's your move was not a spinoff of Silver Spoons. Derek and Matthew are two different people. It was not written as a spinoff. Good Times was added as a spinoff. The Evans were spun into their own world. The characters were spun off. Wow, Solomon. I must hand it to you. You put up a good fight although....just wow, dude. I have never seen so much denial in one setting. I don't think that I will be convinced. It is too obvious and clear that it is a spinoff.

BTW, send your address so I can send this late tape.

That is true, but who is the one collecting all the royalty checks? It is not Monte, it is Lear. It became his show. Once it became his show, he has final say.

I agree but Monte provided the concept for him. You must have the idea first. But we all know how it is in the television game, once you give the idea and its sold, unless you provided stipulations, its theirs. Look at what happened to 'What's Happening!!'. Monte proposed it as a television version of Cooley High but it was changed quickly.

Well if Monte created the situation and the characters then why is this even being debated?-lol Like I said, No spinoff.

Networks sometimes request pilots for spinoffs themselves and other times the producers of the shows think of them. For example, the pilot to the Parkers was written by different people other than the creators. Sometimes, the creator of one show can write the pilot spinoff to another one. Example, the creator of Girlfriends wrote the pilot to Girlfriends and The Game. Who's not say that Lear and Monte talked about the Florida Evans character previously? Remember during this time , there were no black shows on prior to Good Times so networks had their doubts that these shows would work. Florida could have been on Maude to see how the audience reacted to her and how well she could carry a storyline.

Actually, Norman says that in his 1994 interview. Good Observation.

Actually, Norman says that in his 1994 interview. Good Observation.


Lear said what?

Lear said what?

That he had John Amos and Esther Rolle interact with each other on Maude to see if the audience would accept them and if they could handle their own show. And since they (the audience) loved Florida they spun her off into her own show. That's how GT cames to be, he took Monte's concept and made it GT's.

That he had John Amos and Esther Rolle interact with each other on Maude to see if the audience would accept them and if they could handle their own show. And since they (the audience) loved Florida they spun her off into her own show. That's how GT cames to be, he took Monte's concept and made it GT's.


A send Off not a Spinoff.

A send Off not a Spinoff.

I am still waiting for my answer Solomon. Until you answer it, your theories mean diddly poo. lol

A send Off not a Spinoff.


Yeah he sent her off onto her own show which was a Spinoff LOL

Yeah he sent her off onto her own show which was a Spinoff LOL

:lol:

That's funny I thought the FAREWELL Ep on Maude was a WRITE OUT, not a Set Up.

Actually, Solomon, there was a pilot entitled, "Florida's Hello". It was an episode of "Good Times". Maude wanted Grandson Phillip to play with Michael so he could have the black experience. Everytime Phillip would tell Michael that he was a little boy like he was, Mike would just tell him that "Boy was a white, racist word." This episode ties in the Maude ep entitled "Florida's Goodbye". Maude eats with the Evans and tell Florida that she really put her foot into the delicious fatback that Maude is eating.

Maude's daughter Carol is hit on by J.J. but she makes a date with Sweet Daddy instead because she sees the inner, sweeter side of him. Carol and Sweet Daddy's girl Savannah get into a catfight. Sweet Daddy teaches Phillip how to run numbers.

Maude convinces Wilona and Thelma to changes Maude's hairstyle into an afro while James takes Walter over to Grady's to meet the other nineteen assistant foremen there. Bookman invests his lifesavings of $2.00 into Walter's hardware store. There. That is the pilot. You happy now! LOL.

P.S. Arthur and Vivian opted to stay in the car downstairs because walking up 17 flights of stairs in the ghetto would be a scary, ghetto experience.

Actually, Solomon, there was a pilot entitled, "Florida's Hello". It was an episode of "Good Times". Maude wanted Grandson Phillip to play with Michael so he could have the black experience. Everytime Phillip would tell Michael that he was a little boy like he was, Mike would just tell him that "Boy was a white, racist word." This episode ties in the Maude ep entitled "Florida's Goodbye". Maude eats with the Evans and tell Florida that she really put her foot into the delicious fatback that Maude is eating.

Maude's daughter Carol is hit on by J.J. but she makes a date with Sweet Daddy instead because she sees the inner, sweeter side of him. Carol and Sweet Daddy's girl Savannah get into a catfight. Sweet Daddy teaches Phillip how to run numbers.

Maude convinces Wilona and Thelma to changes Maude's hairstyle into an afro while James takes Walter over to Grady's to meet the other nineteen assistant foremen there. Bookman invests his lifesavings of $2.00 into Walter's hardware store. There. That is the pilot. You happy now! LOL.

P.S. Arthur and Vivian opted to stay in the car downstairs because walking up 17 flights of stairs in the ghetto would be a scary, ghetto experience.
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:crybaby: :mango :tehcool: I am in tears as well.


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Actually, Solomon, there was a pilot entitled, "Florida's Hello". It was an episode of "Good Times". Maude wanted Grandson Phillip to play with Michael so he could have the black experience. Everytime Phillip would tell Michael that he was a little boy like he was, Mike would just tell him that "Boy was a white, racist word." This episode ties in the Maude ep entitled "Florida's Goodbye". Maude eats with the Evans and tell Florida that she really put her foot into the delicious fatback that Maude is eating.

Maude's daughter Carol is hit on by J.J. but she makes a date with Sweet Daddy instead because she sees the inner, sweeter side of him. Carol and Sweet Daddy's girl Savannah get into a catfight. Sweet Daddy teaches Phillip how to run numbers.

Maude convinces Wilona and Thelma to changes Maude's hairstyle into an afro while James takes Walter over to Grady's to meet the other nineteen assistant foremen there. Bookman invests his lifesavings of $2.00 into Walter's hardware store. There. That is the pilot. You happy now! LOL.

P.S. Arthur and Vivian opted to stay in the car downstairs because walking up 17 flights of stairs in the ghetto would be a scary, ghetto experience.

Oh yeah, I remember that episode. :lol:

See, I told you. People need to listen more.

See, I told you. People need to listen more.


And Right after that, the Evans moved to their RAN DOWN APT in the Sky-lol