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db108108

05-23-2006, 02:30 PM

Here's what I would've done.....

Monday

7:00 7th Heaven/Everwood (midseason)
8:00 Runaway (new)

Tuesday

7:00 Gilmore Girls
8:00 Veronica Mars

Wednesday

7:00 America's Next Top Model/Beauty and the Geek (midseason)
8:00 Palm Springs (new)/One Tree Hill (midseason)

Thursday

7:00 Smallville
8:00 Supernatural/Aquaman (new) (midseason Mar-April;Supernatural late April-May)

Friday

7-9:00 WWE Smackdown

Sunday

6:00 Reba
6:30 She Said, He Said (new)
7:00 Everybody Hates Chris
7:30 Flirt (new)/Aliens in America (new) (midseason)
8:00 Girlfriends
8:30 The Game (new)

I like this schedule a lot. Reba has proved that it can do well Sundays in the opening hour (its repeats have done up to 3 million viewers there), and you would have EHC as a nice bridge between the more rural/family sitcoms and the more urban/adult sitcoms.

As for Everwood, the situation sucks, yes, but the show is not really drawing an audience. It's getting killed on Mondays right now. The CW is going to have major problems next season when a lot of these series, the tentpoles, (Smallville, Gilmore Girls and 7th Heaven) are over. I hope it can cultivate quite a few new hits next season or it will be out of business in a few years.

masterblooregard

05-23-2006, 02:43 PM

Yeah that's a very good point. With 7th Heaven, Smallville and Gilmore Girls most likely ending next fall, it was pretty stupid of The CW to not introduce any new shows this season. They should have used those shows to introduce new ones. It's going to be pretty hard having a schedule of mostly new-series without any good lead-ins next fall.

Pavan

05-23-2006, 03:05 PM

I would have brought Invasion to mid-season, Thursdays at 9.

Mr. Monitor

05-23-2006, 05:03 PM

I like this schedule a lot. Reba has proved that it can do well Sundays in the opening hour (its repeats have done up to 3 million viewers there), and you would have EHC as a nice bridge between the more rural/family sitcoms and the more urban/adult sitcoms.

As for Everwood, the situation sucks, yes, but the show is not really drawing an audience. It's getting killed on Mondays right now. The CW is going to have major problems next season when a lot of these series, the tentpoles, (Smallville, Gilmore Girls and 7th Heaven) are over. I hope it can cultivate quite a few new hits next season or it will be out of business in a few years.

Thanks db, Moonves and Ostraff should've put me in charge of the schedule. :lol:

Mr. Television

05-23-2006, 07:17 PM

I like this schedule a lot. Reba has proved that it can do well Sundays in the opening hour (its repeats have done up to 3 million viewers there), and you would have EHC as a nice bridge between the more rural/family sitcoms and the more urban/adult sitcoms.

As for Everwood, the situation sucks, yes, but the show is not really drawing an audience. It's getting killed on Mondays right now. The CW is going to have major problems next season when a lot of these series, the tentpoles, (Smallville, Gilmore Girls and 7th Heaven) are over. I hope it can cultivate quite a few new hits next season or it will be out of business in a few years.
Everwood's not drawing an audience because the WB killed it. It was a ratings hit until this year. And it's still a higher rated show then OTH or VM.

Chad Michael Murray

05-23-2006, 07:23 PM

Everwood's not drawing an audience because the WB killed it. It was a ratings hit until this year. And it's still a higher rated show then OTH or VM.

OTH was the leader in all the fan polls though asking which show people most wanted to return in the Fall.

Where were your fans when you needed them, Everwood?! :lol: :happyface

Mr. Television

05-23-2006, 07:37 PM

OTH was the leader in all the fan polls though asking which show people most wanted to return in the Fall.

Where were your fans when you needed them, Everwood?! :lol: :happyface

They were out getting drunk because their show was off the air for over 3 months. :lol: You keep a show off that long and then move it around the schedule like it was and it's bound to hurt it. Hell the show was still getting an audience on Thursday opposite CSI until it went on Hiatus.

db108108

05-24-2006, 12:13 AM

to that effect, I see the CW going virtually repeat free next season and it tries to get those new hits going.

Scoobiedoo30

05-27-2006, 04:15 PM

I hope that The CW airs Reba on Sunday Night's at 8:30 pm Central Time

GSU2004

06-02-2006, 09:56 AM

I hope that The CW airs Reba on Sunday Night's at 8:30 pm Central Time

From what I heard, the pilot to 'The Game' sucks so I have the feeling Reba will probably replace it in January.

GSU2004

06-02-2006, 09:57 AM

But I know I said this in other places before, but they should have kept Half and Half as a midseason replacement also. It has proven that its strong enough to carry its weight.

Scoobiedoo30

06-02-2006, 10:50 AM

I would love to seen Half And Half as a Midseason Replacement

GSU2004

06-02-2006, 11:05 AM

I would love to seen Half And Half as a Midseason Replacement

I wonder what they got planned for next year as I think 'Girlfriends' will probably conclude at the end of this season. Something tells me that 'All of Us' will stick around to they reach 100 episodes then they will get the ax so it can be sold into syndication. Any word about Brandy's show that she filmed the pilot for?

Pavan

07-17-2006, 02:12 PM

Fall premiere dates:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/blog/2006/07/cable-reruns-of-two-tca-tour-cw.html

Brent88

07-17-2006, 03:21 PM

Why is Veronica premiering a week after Gilmore Girls? That makes NO sense. :rolleyes:

Scoobiedoo30

07-24-2006, 03:21 PM

I would think that Veronica Mars would Premier The same week as Gilmore Girl's

Wings#1ShowPeriod

07-24-2006, 03:31 PM

one reason to look at the late priemere for Veronica Mars is so The CW can promote the heck out of Veronica Mars for the first 2 weeks. But yea, Veronica Mars should of preimered the same week as The Gilmore Girls.

Harper49

07-24-2006, 06:37 PM

How long will 7th Heaven stay on The CW Network?

Scoobiedoo30

07-24-2006, 06:40 PM

I think The CW will have 13 episodes

Harper49

07-24-2006, 09:19 PM

And after that, Then what'll happen next?

Brent88

09-26-2006, 12:15 PM

Well it looks like viewers "ran away" from The CW when Runaway started. It is DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!

"Deal or No Deal" put NBC on top at 8 p.m. with an 8.2/13. "The Class," 5.7/9, and "How I Met Your Mother," 6.1/9, finished second for CBS. "Prison Break," 5.3/8, was third for FOX. ABC came in fourth with "Wife Swap." The season premiere of "7th Heaven" on The CW drew a 2.9/5.

CBS took the lead among households at 9 p.m. with "Two and a Half Men," 10.1/15, and "Old Christine," 8.5/13. The premiere of "Heroes" (8.8/13), however, led among total viewers and was the night's top show among adults 18-49. A second "Wife Swap" posted a 5.3/8, moving ABC ahead of FOX and "Vanished." The premiere of "Runaway" on The CW struggled, managing only a 1.5/2.

Did I mention Dead? and what happened to 7th Heaven? It was the WB's highest-rated program... I hope it isn't The CW's or they are in BIG trouble. ohno:

It was down 25% from last year's premiere in the Overnights, 20% in Adults 18-49 and in total viewers.

Mediaweek:

Also premiering at 9 p.m. was CW drama Runaway, which limped out of the gate with a mere (and, of course, last-place) 1.8/ 3 in the overnights, 2.35 million viewers and a 0.7/ 2 among adults 18-49. Comparably, that declined from lead-in 7th Heaven by a considerable 51 percent in the overnights (3.7/ 6 to 1.8/ 3), 2.01 million viewers (4.36 to 2.35) and 56 percent among adults 18-49 (1.6/ 4 to 0.7/ 2). Would the CW have been better off leaving Everwood in the time period?

Pathetic and sad.

Buffyboy323

09-26-2006, 12:29 PM

I'm pretty sure they uptee 7th for a full 22 episodes now. It's Veronica mars thast we have to worry about. She's only having 13 episodes, and if the ratings afren't good for them, The CW will cancel it, and forget about the back 9 episodes. :(

Buffyboy323

09-26-2006, 12:31 PM

What shows do you watch on The CW?

I watch:

Mondays
7th Heaven

Tuesdays
Gilmore Girls
Veronica mars

Wednesdays
One Tree Hill

Thursdays
Smallville

I have "Runaway" recorded, but I'm not sure if i'm going to stick with it.

Heckles101

09-26-2006, 02:26 PM

I'm pretty sure they uptee 7th for a full 22 episodes now.

What makes you so sure? The premieres numbers were a big disappointment. Definitely one of the lowest ratings for an original episode. And for that, I cheer! I hope Dawn is sitting in her big, empty office regretting that stupid decision to can Everwood and keep 7th Heaven.

Brent88

09-27-2006, 12:20 PM

Another pretty disappointing night...

The first hour of "Dancing with the Stars" scored a 10.9/18 for ABC at 8 p.m. "NCIS," 8.7/14, put CBS in second among households, though FOX's "House," 8.6/14, had more total viewers. NBC re-aired Monday's "Heroes" premiere. The season premiere of "Gilmore Girls" on The CW drew a 3.1/5.

ABC held the lead at 9 p.m. with "Dancing," 13.5/20, and the premiere of the comedy "Help Me Help You," which shed quite a bit of its lead-in audience to finish at 8.0/12. CBS stayed in second with "The Unit," 7.7/12. "Law & Order: Criminal Intent" moved NBC into third with a 7.1/11, while FOX's "Standoff" came in fourth with a 5.0/8. The CW went with a repeat of the "Runaway" premiere.

WHY on earth did they rerun Runaway after those unacceptable numbers Monday Night? :rolleyes: It lost over half the lead-in(which wasn't that great anyway). They averaged a 2.2 rating for the night. How sad.

Brent88

10-02-2006, 03:01 PM

The CW Sunday was a massive bomb last night! Really, really, really, REALLY bad!

The CW's new Sunday lineup trailed with a 1.6/3.

The CW had the season premieres of "Everybody Hates Chris," 1.6/3, and "All of Us," 1.4/2.

"Girlfriends" and "The Game" averaged 1.7/3 for The CW.

ohno:

Those are immediate cancellation numbers.

Pavan

10-02-2006, 04:36 PM

7pm for Chris is a terrible slot. Why not air comedies from 8-10pm and have the encore of Top Model at 7-8pm?

friendsfan77

10-02-2006, 05:03 PM

Scoobiedoo30

10-02-2006, 05:20 PM

can someone tell me if 1.7/3 is bad or good.

Brent88

10-02-2006, 05:27 PM

can someone tell me if 1.7/3 is bad or good.

VERY VERY VERY BAD. Only about 3 million viewers. That's freaking cable ratings and WORSE than WB Sunday did. Don't get attached to it.

EmoJoe

10-02-2006, 05:32 PM

they shouldve just left WB and UPN alone...-_-

Scoobiedoo30

10-02-2006, 05:35 PM

well I watched The Game at 10:00 am Central Time This Morning and I throgh The Game was a great show

Brent88

10-02-2006, 06:53 PM

God, this is bad.

From TV Guide Online:

Everybody Hates Chris - 2.4 million viewers
All of Us - 2.27 million viewers
Girlfriends - 2.7 million viewers
The Game - 2.6 million viewers

Ratings for the last season premieres:

EHC - 7.78 million viewers
All of Us - 4.25 million viewers
Girlfriends - 4.19 million viewers

Mr. Television

10-02-2006, 08:14 PM

Wow. Out of that schedule, OTH, Smallville, Supernatural, and Reba which will come later are the only shows that I actually give a crap with regarding the CW. ohno:

And if these ratings dont get any better, the merger will REALLY seem pointless.
GG, Smallville and Supernatural are the only shows on that network I care about. I honestly don't think the CW will last as long as UPN and The WB did. The whole network looks like a flop so far.

TVJunkie101

10-02-2006, 08:33 PM

All I care about on The CW is Reba and Smallville, and Veronica Mars. Supernatural too I guess.

I doubt any of those sitcoms are getting cancelled. If anything they'll be moved. I agree with Pav; the sitcoms should of been from 8-10.

Scoobiedoo30

10-02-2006, 08:50 PM

Reba will be Returning to The CW Schedule in Janurary of 2007

Brent88

10-02-2006, 09:13 PM

Reba will be Returning to The CW Schedule in Janurary of 2007

Maybe a lot sooner than that based on current ratings. :lol:

They better not put Reba on Sunday though, it'll bomb just like the others did last night. Maybe on Mondays after 7th Heaven?(since Runaway is probably dead).

Scoobiedoo30

10-02-2006, 09:30 PM

You know I was thinking 7th Heaven has 13 episodes this season Maybe Reba will air on Monday Night's at 7:00 pm Central Time.

WilCap

10-03-2006, 11:48 AM

Which shows have done the best so far? I'm guessin Top Model and Smallville? I heard Tree Hill's ratings were up as well.

Brent88

10-03-2006, 12:11 PM

Which shows have done the best so far? I'm guessin Top Model and Smallville? I heard Tree Hill's ratings were up as well.

Top Model really. Even Smallville was down from last year.

Well, Runaway only got a 1.4 last night(7th Heaven got a rather disappointing 2.8, 2.9 last week) and people who watched say there were a TON of promos for other shows, so it sounds like a lot of advertisers pulled out. This show will likely not see November Sweeps.

WilCap

10-03-2006, 02:36 PM

Brent88

10-03-2006, 02:47 PM

I hope Tree Hill remains around the same, but Lost starts back up this Wednesday, yet for only six weeks. Do you think it will hold strong?

And yeah, once Runaway goes, will Palm Sprnigs take its spot?

I actually thought Palm Springs is going to fill One Tree Hill's slot. I think comedies may go after 7th Heaven(7th Heaven repeats until they are ready), but that would compete with CBS, so I dunno.

Brent88

10-03-2006, 10:04 PM

Veronica Mars was really good. I'm surprised(I didn't get UPN, so this is my first time watching it).

Scoobiedoo30

10-03-2006, 10:15 PM

You Live in Alamba right well you did get a UNP Affiliate it was WJTC UPN 44 unless you lived in another part of Alamba.

Brent88

10-03-2006, 10:21 PM

You Live in Alamba right well you did get a UNP Affiliate it was WJTC UPN 44 unless you lived in another part of Alamba.

I live in the far eastern part near the Georgia border... I had had UPN before, I just didn't have it from December 2005 when I moved here til when it shut down.

I get two CW stations now, and no My Network TV(like I care :lol: ).

Scoobiedoo30

10-03-2006, 10:35 PM

what are the 2 CW Stations that you get where I live for a while we had 2 WB Affiliates WNOL WB 38 and WGN WB 9

Brent88

10-03-2006, 10:47 PM

what are the 2 CW Stations that you get where I live for a while we had 2 WB Affiliates WNOL WB 38 and WGN WB 9

WTTO 21 from Birmingham(on Channel 8) and it seems to be a national CW(former WB) like I had when I lived in the Columbus, GA market on Cable only, Channel 60. It doesn't have a local identification(the TV listings show it with My Network TV programming, but that's not correct).

WilCap

10-04-2006, 11:26 AM

I actually thought Palm Springs is going to fill One Tree Hill's slot. I think comedies may go after 7th Heaven(7th Heaven repeats until they are ready), but that would compete with CBS, so I dunno.

I think it would be a bad idea to put comedies after 7th Heaven. I always thought GG and Heaven would be a good combo, but they can't leave their respective nights.

And unless they plan to pull plug on Tree Hill, they really can't take it off.

Brent88

10-04-2006, 12:18 PM

The CW continues to be unimpressive. What exactly was the point of the merger again?

"Gilmore Girls" earned a 3.3/5 for The CW.

the season premiere of "Veronica Mars" on The CW delivered a 2.1/3.

WilCap

10-04-2006, 03:18 PM

Mar's rating is gonna need to go up in my opinion, or it's gonna get cancelled.

Brent88

10-05-2006, 01:21 AM

Variety:

"At the CW, "7th Heaven" and new drama "Runaway" may soon shift to Sunday nights. Two skeins would be replaced on Mondays by the net's current Sunday slate of laffers, including "Everybody Hates Chris" and "Girlfriends."

Move makes sense, given that CW predecessor UPN did well with comedy on Monday nights for the past few seasons. What's more, "7th Heaven" -- which had remained solid on Mondays when it aired on the WB -- has disappointed this season.

While it's unlikely "Heaven" or "Runaway" will do much better on Sundays, the CW stands a good shot of improving its Monday numbers by airing laffers on the night.

A CW rep declined comment."

Yikes.

Scoobiedoo30

10-05-2006, 01:44 AM

what does Skeins M means

Brent88

10-05-2006, 01:51 AM

what does Skeins M means

Skeins=Two similar shows.

Scoobiedoo30

10-05-2006, 01:55 AM

so sitcoms could come back to Monday Night's schedule.

Brent88

10-05-2006, 01:58 AM

so sitcoms could come back to Monday Night's schedule.

If 7th Heaven/Runaway move to Sundays, they defintely will, at least for one hour. They aren't working on Sundays.

Buffyboy323

10-05-2006, 03:07 AM

Veronica Mars was really good. I'm surprised(I didn't get UPN, so this is my first time watching it).
BEST SHOW ON TV!!! :)

Pavan

10-05-2006, 03:14 PM

The CW’s New Monday Schedule, Effective October 9
8:00-8:30 PM EVERYBODY HATES CHRIS
8:30-9:00 PM ALL OF US
9:00-9:30 PM GIRLFRIENDS
9:30-10:00 PM THE GAME

The CW’s New Sunday Schedule, Effective October 15
7:00-8:00 PM AMERICA’S NEXT TOP MODEL (encore)
8:00-9:00 PM 7TH HEAVEN
9:00-10:00 PM RUNAWAY

Scoobiedoo30

10-05-2006, 03:20 PM

Thanks for The Update

troopoleon8897

10-05-2006, 03:21 PM

Scoobiedoo30

10-05-2006, 04:10 PM

I belive The Sitcoms on Monday's is a good move since I really am not home on Sunday's

TVJunkie101

10-05-2006, 04:50 PM

Wow. They wasted no time changing the schedule! I think it's a smart move for them, but will it pay off?

Mr. Television

10-05-2006, 04:55 PM

That's probably a smart move but I don't think it'll help 7th Heaven any.

Pavan

10-05-2006, 04:55 PM

I think it is a good move. It should benefit them all except Runaway, which looks like a stinker.

Superstar

10-05-2006, 04:57 PM

That's probably a smart move but I don't think it'll help 7th Heaven any.
that show needs to die anyway.

Buffyboy323

10-05-2006, 05:00 PM

As For Veronica Mars:

In season-premiere news, The CW's Veronica Mars limped out of the gate with a disappointing (and, of course, last-place) 2.4/ 4 in the overnights, 3.27 million viewers and a 1.4/ 4 among adults 18-49 at 9 p.m. Although comparatively that was a vast improvement over year-ago failed occupant Sex, Love & Secrets (Overnights: 1.5/ 2; Viewers: 1.40 million; A18-49: 0.6/ 1 on Oct. 4, 2005), keep in mind three things:

1. Retention for Veronica Mars from lead-in Gilmore Girls (Overnights: #5, 4.0/ 6; Viewers: #5, 4.71 million; A18-49: #5, 2.0/ 6 at 8 p.m.) was just 60 percent in the overnights, 69 percent in total viewers and 70 percent among adults 18-49.

2. Sex, Love & Secrets on the year-ago evening led out of a repeat of America's Next Top Model.

3. Veronica Mars opened season two on Wednesday, Sept. 28, 2005 (out of America's Next Top Model) with a similarly disappointing 2.5/ 4 in the overnights, 3.29 million viewers and a 1.3/ 3 among adults 18-49.

To the countless Veronica Mars groupies reading this column: the ratings are not terrible. But they could, and should, be much better.

TVJunkie101

10-05-2006, 05:01 PM

After watching Everwood reruns on ABC Family ... The CW should of let 7th Heaven end.

Buffyboy323

10-05-2006, 05:05 PM

After watching Everwood reruns on ABC Family ... The CW should of let 7th Heaven end.
Is this your first time around for seeing Everwood?

Buffyboy323

10-05-2006, 05:07 PM

Mr. Television

10-05-2006, 05:17 PM

I do agree that 7th Heaven is passed it's prime, but I DO NOT like the idea of moving it to Sunday nights. I actually find that disrespectful to the WB's highest rated show of 10 years. And not to mention that it was stable on Monday nights for over 10 years. UPN is taking over...UGH!
I don't know why the CW thought it could jumpstart a network with a 10 year old series whose cast isn't even all on anymore.

Mr. Monitor

10-05-2006, 06:56 PM

I think a lot of Everwood fans are retaliating against the CW because they canceled the show.

Mr. Television

10-05-2006, 07:00 PM

What has to be troubling for the CW is Runaway. It was supposed to be their one new great show and it's a big time flop. What's going to happen when some of the veteran shows end?

Buffyboy323

10-05-2006, 08:52 PM

What has to be troubling for the CW is Runaway. It was supposed to be their one new great show and it's a big time flop. What's going to happen when some of the veteran shows end?
Exactly!....In another year or so Gilmore Girls, Smallville, Reba, 7th Heaven, and Girlfriends might all be gone. They're all in their 6th and 7th Seasons right now....unless The CW plans on holding on to all their veteran series, like they have with 7th Heaven.

Scoobiedoo30

10-05-2006, 09:00 PM

I Belive Reba will be back for a 7th Season

friendsfan77

10-06-2006, 09:52 AM

What has to be troubling for the CW is Runaway. It was supposed to be their one new great show and it's a big time flop. What's going to happen when some of the veteran shows end?

They'll most likely be screwed. Screwed. Big time. ohno:

friendsfan77

10-06-2006, 09:56 AM

I think a lot of Everwood fans are retaliating against the CW because they canceled the show.

I think the same can be said for other shows that got the ax because of this too.

Heckles101

10-06-2006, 11:08 AM

Ah well, let this be a lesson to Dawn Ostroff. Any series finale for a long-standing show is going to get high numbers. The series finale of Will & Grace got 18 million viewers, even though the season as a whole averaged 9 million. It's just common sense and you would think someone in her position would know that. 7th Heaven had a chance to leave with "dignity" (I don't wanna insult 7H fans but I can't stand the show) but now they're gonna be shoved to another night and given the axe. I remember Sarah got a lot of flack for deciding to leave Buffy but she knew it was the right to leave. Buffy wasn't the show it once was when it left UPN. A lot of 7th Heaven fans I know agree that the show hasn't been good in a while. I see the same thing happening with Gilmore Girls. This is the last year in their contracts and I don't think the actresses will consider it renewing it after such a sharp decline in the ratings and many fans hate the new direction. They might decide that the show has run its course and leave now before they really overstay their welcome. Lucky for The CW, Smallville is under contract for 1 more year so I don't see it going anywhere til 2008.

friendsfan77

10-06-2006, 11:37 AM

Ah well, let this be a lesson to Dawn Ostroff. Any series finale for a long-standing show is going to get high numbers. The series finale of Will & Grace got 18 million viewers, even though the season as a whole averaged 9 million. It's just common sense and you would think someone in her position would know that.

I agree. Let's not forget how much the WB whored the fact that this show was coming to a close. For God's sake, it was supposed to be a FRICKIN SERIES FINALE!!!! Of course the ratings were gonna be higher for that. It's not uncommon to have high ratings when a long running series ends. You're gonna have a total of life-long fans and supporters, people who have watched the show for part of its run and want to see how it will end, and people who probably wanted to see what all the hubbub was about concerning the show to begin with all watching it. This is probably IMO one of the most ridiculous programming moves I've ever seen.

Buffyboy323

10-06-2006, 02:54 PM

Why are they moving the Sitcoms to Monday nights? Putting all their comedy's on Monday against all the CBS comedy's huh? That doesn't seem like a smart move to me...

yankeesfan82

10-06-2006, 03:39 PM

I watched Runaway the first week, but turned it off after 5 mins the second week.

WilCap

10-06-2006, 07:03 PM

I always thought they should have never moved OTH from behind GG. It was one of the top shows when WB had it at that position.

As for Heaven movin to Sundays, it is prob for the best I'd guess.

Brent, you think VM will go a 22 episode order? Or were the ratings bad?

Brent88

10-06-2006, 07:12 PM

Brent, you think VM will go a 22 episode order? Or were the ratings bad?

The ratings were decent. Not overly impressive, but not bad either. I think it will probably get 22 episodes, but I also think another show(I don't know what) might fill the slot for a few weeks in the Spring at some point to give it a break.

Scoobiedoo30

10-10-2006, 11:15 AM

any news on How The New CW Monday Night Sitcom Line up made out Last Night.

Brent88

10-10-2006, 12:39 PM

any news on How The New CW Monday Night Sitcom Line up made out Last Night.

Horrible, no better than when it was on Sundays, HOWEVER, it was all repeats last night.

1.6/2 average for the night. ohno:

Scoobiedoo30

10-10-2006, 12:46 PM

Maybe when The Episodes are new the Ratings will go up

Brent88

10-10-2006, 12:54 PM

Everybody Hates Chris 1.9/3
All of Us 1.6/2
Girlfriends 1.6/2
The Game 1.5/2

I would say that only Chris is going to survive of the 4.

Scoobiedoo30

10-10-2006, 12:56 PM

even Girlfriends did bad

Heckles101

10-10-2006, 03:29 PM

No offense but it's quite stupid to judge based on reruns. That's like looking at the 7 million viewers Lost gets when it reruns and say "Wow this show is gonna get canceled!" Uh, no, reruns never rate as well as original episodes. I say we wait til next week when there are actual NEW episodes and stop making ridiculous comments in haste. Thank you.

Pavan

10-10-2006, 04:29 PM

I agree...the real test is next week. I think CW made a wise move moving those sitcoms to Mondays. UPN Mondays quietly did well for them, so I think this will work, especially since Chris is strong.

Scoobiedoo30

10-10-2006, 05:40 PM

I think The reason why The CW Sitcoms did not do well is because it was a repeat Last Night.

Brent88

10-16-2006, 12:51 PM

Well 7th Heaven and Runaway did horrible last night. This will defintely be 7th Heaven's last season and Runaway probably won't see November Sweeps at this rate.

7th Heaven-2.1/3(way down even from the Monday numbers this season and getting about half of what it got last season)
Runaway-0.9/1(These numbers just speak for themselves. Horrible!)

Scoobiedoo30

10-16-2006, 02:30 PM

Maybe after The Baseball playoffs and The World Series is over
The Ratingsa will pick up

Brent88

10-16-2006, 03:12 PM

Maybe after The Baseball playoffs and The World Series is over
The Ratingsa will pick up

The Baseball Playoffs aren't doing well either, lower than last year. I doubt their audiences overlap much.

Scoobiedoo30

10-16-2006, 03:20 PM

I wonder if this Year will be the last season for 7th Heaven

Brent88

10-16-2006, 03:21 PM

I wonder if this Year will be the last season for 7th Heaven

Oh I'm sure it will be if the ratings don't increase dramatically(and I doubt that). Keep in mind the show is very expensive, The CW can't afford it with these ratings.

Brent88

10-18-2006, 02:51 AM

Runaway is officially cancelled!

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - "Runaway" has run aground.

The CW drama has been axed after four airings. The series, which revolved around a family that goes on the lam after the father is wrongly accused of murder, bowed late last month to weak numbers in the Monday 9 p.m. slot behind "7th Heaven."

CW shifted "Heaven" and "Runaway" from Monday to Sunday last week, but the change didn't help "Runaway," which averaged 1.8 million viewers in its last airing. CW has pulled the show and will fill the Sunday 9 p.m. slot with repeats for the time being.

"Runaway" joins the CBS drama "Smith" as one of the first casualities of the new television season, and it has the distinction of being the first cancellation by the network born out of the fusion of UPN and WB Network. CW fielded only two new series in its first fall slate, "Runaway" and the comedy "The Game."

Scoobiedoo30

10-18-2006, 10:20 AM

I wonder what is going to be airing in the 8:00 pm Central Time Slot on Sunday Night's

Buffyboy323

10-18-2006, 11:40 AM

Well, Runaway getting the axe is no surprise. I'm glad I didn't watch any of the episodes I have on Tivo. I was gonna wait until December, just to see if it would make it to mid season. Hooray for me, I guess. I didn't have to waste my time....BTW, why would they put it with 7th?? There's no similarities between the shows anyway. Wouldn't they want to put a show that is in some way compatable together?

Scoobiedoo30

10-18-2006, 11:55 AM

you know I really dont know if my Dad got to watch Runaway

Buffyboy323

10-18-2006, 11:44 PM

Veronica Mars Slips!!!

Veronica Mars slipped last night to a 1.9 rating. This is exactly Runaway's average and now its cancelled. It's an awful retention rate of Gilmore Girls (3.1) and as optimistic as I want to be, I'm really scared for my favorite show.

THE BAD
1) CW is producing more older-skewing series, and they may abandon this 'youthful' image since Smallville, 7th Heaven, and Gilmore Girls are all likely to be gone this time next year. Veronica Mars is reflective of the youthful image The CW may want to get rid of.
2) In its third season, a fourth one is expensive to produce.

THE GOOD
1) With 7th Heaven gone this year, and possibly Gilmore Girls and Smallville gone by the end of next year, a familiar face like Veronica Mars may be wanted around.
2) It's Dawn Ostroff's favorite kid.
3) Critical praise drawing attention to the fledgling CW

Just wanted to make sure we're all prepared to fight for one of TV's best shows. I can't imagine going through another '3 miracle seasons and you're out' Arrested Development, Roswell, American Dreams, etc.

Scoobiedoo30

10-19-2006, 12:53 AM

Is This for sure The Last Season for 7th Heaven

Heckles101

10-22-2006, 01:22 AM

One can only hope.

Mr. Television

10-22-2006, 01:25 AM

Heckles101

10-22-2006, 01:29 AM

Definitely and the actors are still under contract for one more season. I see Thursday night as the only night they won't touch next year.

Buffyboy323

10-28-2006, 01:06 PM

The CW has ordered 3 more "Veronica Mars" scripts. (Making it 16 eps so far). No word on full season pick-up though. Although it's not the best news, it's something. Maybe they are waiting to see how it holds up against "House" when it comes back next week in it's regular timeslot opposite Veronica. I don't know. I'm so pissed off that "7th Heaven" and "The Game" were officially picked up for Full Season orders, and they're still questioning Veronica Mars.

Scoobiedoo30

10-28-2006, 01:30 PM

I am glad that The CW Orger 3 more episodes of Veronica Mars that awsome news just wondering what Number are we on now

Buffyboy323

10-28-2006, 04:35 PM

I am glad that The CW Orger 3 more episodes of Veronica Mars that awsome news just wondering what Number are we on now
She was renewed for 13 episodes, now an additional 3. 16 Episodes so far.

Scoobiedoo30

10-28-2006, 04:49 PM

Cool

Buffyboy323

10-31-2006, 03:21 AM

As Of October 24th, 2006:

1.America's Next Top Model-5.14 million
2.Smallville-4.76 million
3.Gilmore Girls-4.66 million
4.Smackdown-4 million
5.7th Heaven-3.7 million
6.Supernatural-3.58 million
7.One Tree Hill-3.18 million
8.Veronica Mars-3.14 million
9.Girlfriends-2.89 million
10.The Game-2.64 million
11.Everybody Hates Chris-2.6 million
12.All Of Us-2.51 million
13.America's Next Top Model(Encore)-2.32 million
14.Runaway-1.94 million

Season Premiere's (Season Premiere Ratings from September)

1.Smallville-4.96 million
2.America's Next Top Model-4.91 million
3.Gilmore Girls-4.59 million
4.7th Heaven-4.24 million
5.Supernatural-3.93 million
6.Smackdown-3.83 million
7.One Tree Hill-3.44 million
8.Veronica Mars-3.27 million
9.Girlfriends-2.73 million
10.The Game-2.6 million
11.America's Next Top Model(Encore)-2.48 million
12.Everybody Hates Chris-2.44 million
13.All Of Us-2.3 million
14.Runaway-2.06 million

Buffyboy323

10-31-2006, 03:22 AM

The only shows that increased since their Network debuts are Gilmore Girls, WWE Smackdown, America's Next Top Model, and the 4 Sitcoms. Smallville had a slight dip. Veronica Mars, 7th Heaven, One Tree Hill, Supernatural and Runaway (Now cancelled) have all dropped.....HopefullyThe CW will have better luck mid-season.

galveston

10-31-2006, 04:04 AM

7th Heaven is going to stay in the low three millions on Sundays. I don't predict growth in the timeslot. It was put there to live out the remainder of its life this season, then go quietly into the good night as it should have last year. I have nothing against shows airing for a long time if there's still some creativity left, but when you can't even afford the entirety of your cast anymore--it's time to hang it up. The switch was about saving the Monday comedies. The network is trying to build a future.

The suits are waiting to see if Veronica crashes and burns with the return of House tomorrow night and a rerun of Gilmore as the lead in. VM's crashed and burned the last two springs so I'm certain TPTB are reluctant to award the back nine too soon. They have to try out Hidden Palms midseason somewhere. It's either VM or One Tree Hill who are going to vacate for awhile. They sure as heck aren't going to yank Supernatural from the time slot of death on Thursdays at 9 to try a new series. Going up against Grey's and CSI is worse than facing Idol and much worse than facing LOST these days. When Supernatural was in VM's time slot, it averaged in the high 4 and low 5 millions. Its fans weren't pleased when it was moved to Thursdays.

The network has to be worried worried worried. It won't survive long term without viable new dramatic programming and Gilmore is GONE next year. What's going to be th 8 p.m. programming on "girl" night Tuesdays? Veronica, which was brilliant in season one and two, is so watered down that I don't even recognize it anymore. It's not so "critically praised" this season as it was. I've read several online articles recently about series that have lost their way and the like--Veronica is mentioned in several of them. I know fans who are very frustrated, myself included. It's not that VM is bad, but it isn't brilliant or noir eitiher. There have been serial rapes going on at the campus of a major university for a year. WHERE ARE THE POLICE AND MEDIA? Little freshman Veronica is the only person on the job? That's stretching credulity a weeeeee bit. Rape is a felony, you know.

IMO--the only show on the network experiencing a creative high is Supernatural, which is lucky to get a tagged on mention at the end of Smallville promos. Somewhere along the way, pretty pretty Jensen Ackles became one hell of an actor. His portrayal of Dean's descent after his father's death has been brilliant, and not just brilliant for a CW actor. Brilliant period. The difference between the two series is like night and day. Supernatural treats its audience like adults while Smallville is increasingly sillly and written for a tween audience. How it pulls higher ratings I'll never know. Just look for Princess Lana Lang--that's Smallville.

Brent88

10-31-2006, 04:04 AM

She was renewed for 13 episodes, now an additional 3. 16 Episodes so far.

I don't think Veronica Mars is in any danger for this season. I expect a full season order(22 episodes) before the holidays. They are struggling so I think they will keep something that has buzz and critical acclaim.

7th Heaven is in big trouble though. Last night, while almost every single show that aired on the Big 4 got a boost due to DST ending, it was flat. The bad news, it was flat at a 2.1/4!!! This show has collapsed. If The CW renews it again(without a dramatic improvement in the ratings), then they deserve to have all their shows be low-rated. :rolleyes:

Superstar

10-31-2006, 07:02 AM

The network has to be worried worried worried. It won't survive long term without viable new dramatic programming and Gilmore is GONE next year.

Why do you say its gone? I've been hoping for maybe a 13 episode pick up for next year...

galveston

10-31-2006, 11:56 AM

Why do you say its gone? I've been hoping for maybe a 13 episode pick up for next year...

Because Alexis has said numerous times, and been quoted in print articles as saying, that she doesn't want to re-sign for an eighth season. That's why the Palladinos left. They wanted a 2 year guarantee from the new network to stay, and the network couldn't give it to them. Why would you want Gilmore Girls back anyway? I was a big fan once, but I will not watch Lorelai be with that horrible, whiny Christopher. Did you see their picture and the caption on the front of TV Guide a little bit ago about what Lorelai and Christopher decide to do when they take an impromptu trip to Paris? On a very romantic trip when they're talking about their.....future? Think about it. I'm sure it will come to you. I tried for 2 episodes this season; then I said, "I'm done." I can watch Friday Night Lights or read a book. The girls are shells of their former selves. They're dependent on men. I will not watch Lorelai with Christopher. :mad: I didn't watch 6 seasons for that. The "nuclear family unit" doesn't matter when your daughter's grown and daddy was barely there for 18 years. :rolleyes:

There's a reason the show doesn't crack 5 and 6 million anymore. :(

Buffyboy323

11-01-2006, 02:45 AM

Because Alexis has said numerous times, and been quoted in print articles as saying, that she doesn't want to re-sign for an eighth season. That's why the Palladinos left. They wanted a 2 year guarantee from the new network to stay, and the network couldn't give it to them. Why would you want Gilmore Girls back anyway? I was a big fan once, but I will not watch Lorelai be with that horrible, whiny Christopher. Did you see their picture and the caption on the front of TV Guide a little bit ago about what Lorelai and Christopher decide to do when they take an impromptu trip to Paris? On a very romantic trip when they're talking about their.....future? Think about it. I'm sure it will come to you. I tried for 2 episodes this season; then I said, "I'm done." I can watch Friday Night Lights or read a book. The girls are shells of their former selves. They're dependent on men. I will not watch Lorelai with Christopher. :mad: I didn't watch 6 seasons for that. The "nuclear family unit" doesn't matter when your daughter's grown and daddy was barely there for 18 years. :rolleyes:

There's a reason the show doesn't crack 5 and 6 million anymore. :(

The show is still great. you don't like it because Christopher has an improved role this season? If 1 character is a reason for ditching a show you dedicated 6 years of your life to, well, then you have problems.

Buffyboy323

11-01-2006, 02:49 AM

Brent88

11-01-2006, 04:21 PM

I might have to back off a bit on what I said about Veronica Mars. It really slipped last night with Gilmore as a repeat(probably due to Halloween as well). 2.77 million from the Fast Nationals. Not good at all.

Brent88

11-01-2006, 08:57 PM

The CW will try to shore up its Sunday-night schedule later this month with a show that, for some time last spring, looked like it wouldn't be back: "Reba."

The sitcom starring Reba McEntire will make its return to TV on Sunday, Nov. 19 with back-to-back episodes starting at 7 p.m. Beginning the following week, the network will air a repeat of the show at 7 p.m., followed by an original at 7:30 that will lead into "7th Heaven."

That's the second big change the new network has made to Sundays in the past month. The CW switched its Sunday and Monday lineups in early October, sending the long-running "7th Heaven" and the soon-to-be-cancelled "Runaway" to Sundays and moving its comedy block anchored by "Everybody Hates Chris" and "Girlfriends" to Mondays.

The move worked out well for the comedies, whose ratings have improved some since the change, and less so for "7th Heaven," which has seen its audience fall by about a million viewers. Adding "Reba" to the night will create a family-friendly block of programming from 7 to 9 p.m., although with the likes of "Sunday Night Football," "The Amazing Race" and "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" as competition, a big ratings bump doesn't seem likely.

"Reba" was The WB's highest-rated sitcom for virtually all of the five seasons it aired there. The CW, though, initially seemed to be leaning toward dropping the series, which would have meant paying an eight-figure kill fee to producer 20th Century Fox TV left the show. The network decided to renew it after all, holding it in reserve for after the fall launch.

The CW ran a repeat "Supernatural" at 7 p.m. last Sunday and will continue to do so for the next couple of weeks.

Scoobiedoo30

11-01-2006, 09:05 PM

Thanks for The Update

Buffyboy323

11-01-2006, 11:52 PM

Here's the Ratings for the week of 10-23 to 10-29 for all The CW shows:

America's Next Top Model: 5.45mil
Smallville: 4.79mil
Gilmore Girls: 4.73mil
Friday Night Smackdown:4.48mil
One Tree Hill: 3.67mil
Supernatural: 3.65mil
Veronica Mars: 3.33mil
Everybody Hates Chris: 3.19mil
7th Heaven: 3.14mil
All Of Us: 2.93mil
Girlfriends: 2.81mil
The Game: 2.48mil

Veronica Mars is in the middle of the pack but still has not got a full season.
They have already picked up some shows for a full season that gets lower ratings. This does not make sense to me.

Mr. Television

11-02-2006, 12:05 AM

The show is still great. you don't like it because Christopher has an improved role this season? If 1 character is a reason for ditching a show you dedicated 6 years of your life to, well, then you have problems.
Frankly I can't stand what they're doing with Lor and Chris. I haven't ditched the show yet but if they don't fix it soon I might. I've ditched other shows that JTS so it won't be anything new for me.

galveston

11-02-2006, 01:48 AM

Veronica has a terrible habit of dropping sharply in the ratings the past 2 springs. The suits were waiting to see how she did when House came back, I suspect. She fell to 2.77 million last night and down from a 1.4 to a 1.2 18-49 demo. True, the Gilmore lead in was a rerun, but a show has to be able to stand on its own a little bit. They'll probably wait one more week to see how VM does against House with a new GG as a lead in. If it can't pop back up above 3 million....I think we may be seeing a shortened season. It'll only get worse in the spring when House has Idol as its lead in. House always seems to hover around 20 million in the spring, plus it steals the female demo away. If the demos at least pop back up next week, VM may be okay even if it doesn't hit 3 million. Maybe.

What works for Veronica is that she improves on UPN's numbers in the time slot last year at this time. What works against her is that she decreased from WB's numbers last year at this time. Supernatural drew in the 4 and 5 millions in the time slot, even against House. As long as the comedies are crowding the choice timeslots on Monday, Veronica is going to have to stay put on Tuesdays. It could be worse. VM could be in Supernatural's timeslot (I was so thrilled when it got moved to Thursdays :rolleyes: ) and go against CSI and Grey's Anatomy.

After Gilmore does the unthinkable on November 14, Veronica isn't going to have much of a lead in regardless. There's a reason Gilmore routinely earned above 5 million viewers last year but it doesn't now. Viewers are pissed about Lorelai and Chris.

Wings#1ShowPeriod

11-04-2006, 07:17 PM

great news, its good to have Reba back..

Scoobiedoo30

11-04-2006, 08:38 PM

I will be counting down The day's until Reba Returns from Hiatus Welcome Back Reba

WilCap

11-10-2006, 11:00 AM

Pav. I just read that Tree Hill just had three more scripts ordered. How many did it have to begin with? Didn't it have a full season already?

Pavan

11-10-2006, 11:38 AM

I think there was only a 13 episode order.

Brent88

11-15-2006, 05:01 PM

Ouch.

"Gilmore Girls" - 4.4 million, A18-49: 2.0
"Veronica Mars" - 2.7 million, A18-49: 1.3

Veronica Mars hasn't gotten a full season yet, and it won't with numbers like that.

WilCap

11-15-2006, 05:12 PM

I like V Mars, but I only see it getting 16 episodes. I dont think tuesday is good for it

galveston

11-15-2006, 08:07 PM

The problem is that there really isn't a good timeslot for Veronica unless she could snag OTH's timeslot. Lost has been foundering and now it's gone for 2 months while Day Break airs. Criminal Minds is the only other strong contender in the timeslot--until American Idol premieres in January. That's going to take a slice out of One Tree Hill and it would kill Veronica, too, in that time slot. ANTM works too well Wednesdays at 8, so the network won't move that. Mondays are the only day the weak comedies can survive, so the network won't move them. Pity. I can see Veronica perhaps doing better Mondays at 8, or even Sundays at 8, but she's not a lead in show. Mondays at 9 will put her against Heroes and 24 come January. Fridays are reserved for Smackdown, which is performing fairly decently. You sure as the devil don't want to put Veronica at 9 on Thursdays against the heavily skewing female Grey's which--during a "down week" this week--scored "only" 20.65 million viewers. That's a down week for Grey's. Then you can get a detective fix on CSI which scored "only" 20.83 million; it also had an "off week" this week. ;) That Supernatural has survived in the timeslot is nothing short of a miracle. It was dealing with World Series, which obviously skews more male, too with its 14 to 15 million a game and it got even worse with NBC. What people don't realize is that Deal or No Deal is averaging 12 million. It's gone as high as 13 million. Scrubs moving into the timeslot is actually a break for SN. Scrubs (though a popular cult show) only averaged half of DND's total last season on Tuesdays and its demos are lower. Half its first shows will run when SN, GA, and CSI are in December reruns anyway. Oh, and the female skewing OC is in the timeslot, too. I don't think Veronica wants to be on Thursdays. The joke amongst us Supernatural fans is a bet.....when will Fox move the American Idol results show to Thursdays? How bad can the competition possibly get? :crazy: :crazy:

As long as the CW remains devoted to those comedies, Veronica has nowhere to go on the schedule. :( I think she'll get a full season, but I just can't see VM getting renewed. Not this time. Not when Idol comes to play and House's numbers swell up as its Tuesday lead out. Veronica was so critically acclaimed her first season, but that acclaim has been waning lately. There have been some storyline problems. I hate to see it. I really hate to see it since it's the only other show on CW that I like besides Supernatural, but there it is. It's a better show than GG at this point but sadly that doesn't matter.

WilCap

11-15-2006, 09:07 PM

CW isn't moving Tree Hill from ANTM. Those two are best combination CW got goin for them

galveston

11-15-2006, 09:19 PM

No, I don't think they'd separate ANTM and OTH either. Like I said, though, I am nervously/morbidly curious to see what havoc the arrival of AI wreaks. It's an uphill battle for CW.

Scoobiedoo30

11-15-2006, 09:25 PM

What Does ANTM Stan For.

galveston

11-15-2006, 09:34 PM

America's Next Top Model. The CW's gleaming jewel. A reality series. Figures. :lol:

Scoobiedoo30

11-15-2006, 09:37 PM

Thanks fir letting me know

Ronn Harmon

11-15-2006, 09:40 PM

I hope Veronica Mars can stretch it to 4 seasons for a syndication deal.

Buffyboy323

11-16-2006, 09:50 AM

Galveston, I agree with you. I think Veronica behind Top Model would be it's best bet. It was on UPN that way last year, and the numbers, although bad, did better there than on Tuesdays. And not to mention that Top Model is The CW's #1 show. The Idol boost for house is gonna be a fork in Ronnie's head. :(

Buffyboy323

11-16-2006, 09:51 AM

America's Next Top Model. The CW's gleaming jewel. A reality series. Figures. :lol:
When is this "Cyle" going to be over? Doesn't Top Model finish their season in December and return in the Spring?

Buffyboy323

11-16-2006, 09:53 AM

CW isn't moving Tree Hill from ANTM. Those two are best combination CW got goin for them
I think they should swap Tree Hill and Veronica. More Gilmore fans watch One Tree Hill, than they do Veronica Mars. Not to mention Tree Hills original timeslot was Tuesdays after Gilmore.

WilCap

11-16-2006, 03:58 PM

Plus Tree Hill's ratings were never better than when behind GG, but CW isnt gonna move a good thing. Expect Hiddin Palms to probably go behind GG if Veronica gets pushed to the side

galveston

11-16-2006, 05:33 PM

Heckles101

11-16-2006, 08:44 PM

As much as I love VM, it doesn't deserve the post ANTM spot. Dawn did it last year and the show still failed. Veronica Mars is never going to be a commercial success and I think the fans are going to have to resign themselves to this. One Tree Hill is the first show to retain more than 50% of ANTM's audience and Dawn would be even more of a bonehead if she messed that up. Though, I do foresee the cw springing a leak on Wednesdays in January when Beauty and the Geek takes over ANTM's slot. The show was never a hit even for WB standards (it averaged what, 3.3 mil viewers, big whoop!) and I have serious doubts that it can anchor a night. Plus, the show is not at all compatible with One Tree Hill.

Buffyboy323

11-19-2006, 10:47 PM

Plus Tree Hill's ratings were never better than when behind GG, but CW isnt gonna move a good thing. Expect Hiddin Palms to probably go behind GG if Veronica gets pushed to the side
I never said anything about One Tree Hills ratings, I just meant that it's more compatible with Gilmore than Veronica is. ;)

Buffyboy323

11-19-2006, 10:52 PM

Veronica's going to get pushed to the side, no doubt. Variety had the finals for Tuesday night. 2.69 million viewers for Veronica. 1.7/3 household. `1.2/3 18-49 demographic and those viewers didn't go to DWTS. DWTS's demo didn't rise in its last half hour. Its all House that's doing it to Veronica, and dissatisfaction with the new "viewer friendlier" storylines this season. Veronica is kind of bitchy this season. There's a fine line between funny and snarky and plain bitchy.
No way. I actually find Veronica herself to be a bit weak, and very whiny. I've been with the show since the Pilot episode, and have loved it- until now. I'll watch until the end, but i'm sorry, it's not as great as it once was. The CW changed the show. The "Viewer friendly" stuff is crap. They have 1 or 2 stories going, a year ago it had more mystery and open ended storylines than LOST. I can't believe what they're doing these days. And they mostly have scenes in the school, I guess to try and lore the Gilmore audience in, which isn't working. I WANT MY SHOW BACK DAMMIT! :(

Buffyboy323

11-19-2006, 10:53 PM

galveston

11-20-2006, 03:55 AM

I try not to think of American Idol if possible. It's everything that's wrong with television and music today. Other shows can't compete with it and it's pure garbage IMO. OTH goes against Idol directly on Wednesdays. That's not going to help its ratings any either. OTH has had it the easiest of VM, OTH, and Supernatural in terms of competition and it will have it a little easier as Daybreak goes downhill, until Idol premieres. SN can't catch a damn break at all. One Tree Hill even had the good fortune to have a World Series game rained out.

I agree that Veronica, while still enjoyable, isn't quite what it once was.

Scoobiedoo30

11-20-2006, 11:31 AM

I wonder how Reba did Last Night from 6:00 pm until 7:00 pm Central Time.

Brent88

11-20-2006, 01:14 PM

I wonder how Reba did Last Night from 6:00 pm until 7:00 pm Central Time.

It did pretty well...

The NFL overrun and "60 Minutes" delivered a 14.2/23 for CBS at 7 p.m. ABC was a distant second with "America's Funniest Home Videos," 6.3/10. NBC's "Football Night in America," 5.3/9, came in third. FOX went with reruns of "American Dad" and "The Simpsons." The return of "Reba" to The CW posted a 2.5/4.

Helped out 7th Heaven too.

Scoobiedoo30

11-20-2006, 01:35 PM

How good is a 24./4

Brent88

11-20-2006, 02:07 PM

How good is a 24./4

Well for The CW, it's good, and enough to keep it around. It's quite an improvement over what they had doing in the timeslot.

Heckles101

11-20-2006, 08:33 PM

With last night's ratings not only is Reba now the CW's highest rated sitcom (which isn't saying much, I know) but those numbers alone exceeded the ratings VM, Supernatural and OTH have gotten this season. To think that Dawn and Les tried to dump this show. That's why I loved the jab the writers took at the CW on last night's Reba. From what I've seen Dawn is an incompotent network runner and a monkey could do her job better!

Scoobiedoo30

11-20-2006, 08:36 PM

Since I have plans on Sunday night's I will be watching Reba at 11:35 pm

galveston

11-21-2006, 12:40 AM

To be fair, Reba doesn't have to face House, Lost, Grey's Anatomy, and CSI in competition. I'm not saying it didn't perform well and yes, Reba probably could pull in pretty decent numbers on Monday--but I'm not ready to crown her queen of the forest just yet. She doesn't even face any comedies Sundays at 7. I want to see the numbers for a few weeks first. Reba could probably pull in the 3 and 4 millions on Monday when the competition is light. She'd probably do well at 8 or 8:30 on Monday.

All season premieres usually pull higher numbers. 7th Heaven needs to frickin' die already. I saw that on Sunday for the first time since I can't remember. WHEN did Ruthie get to be such a contemptible little brat? Gee dad, you're dying but it's a little self centered for you to want me to be on the same continent. 7th Heaven needs to go. As in yesterday.

friendsfan77

11-21-2006, 11:14 AM

Yes! Great to hear the good news about Reba's ratings!!

Scoobiedoo30

11-21-2006, 11:21 AM

I am just sorry I have to wait until 11:35 pm to watch Reba.

Buffyboy323

11-22-2006, 10:25 PM

The "One Tree Hill" gang will continue to sleep with inappropriate people, and "Veronica Mars" will have more time to close in on the campus rapist now that The CW has ordered additional episodes of the two dramas.

The new network ordered eight more episodes of "Hill," while "Veronica" got seven more, making a total of 21 and 21 episodes, respectively, report trade sources. Each show was picked up for 13 episodes this past spring.

In other words, BOTH got Full Season orders.

WilCap

11-30-2006, 04:45 PM

From what I'm hearing, Tree Hill posted their best ratings this season last night. Can anyone confirm that?

galveston

11-30-2006, 05:52 PM

Yes, they did. I follow the ratings for a site for one of the CW shows. One Tree Hill posted a season low the night before Thanksgiving with 2.53 million viewers and a 1.0 demo in the 18-49 category, and last night posted a season high of 4.21 million viewers and a 1.8 in the 18-49 demo. Veronica Mars did the same thing; it had a season low of 2.57 million with a 1.1 demo the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, then scored a season high 3.44 million with a 1.6 demo this past Thursday. All those numbers are finals except for One Tree Hill's latter numbers. Those are fast nationals, so they are probably close.

One Tree Hill has no competition at the moment. Lost is off the air and Daybreak, its replacement, earned less than 5 million last night. Criminal Minds is the only strong show in the timeslot on network tv. It's got 16 million and change. NBC and Fox programs aren't earning s*** in the 9 p.m timeslot either. Gilmore Girls and America's Next Top Model, the lead ins for both shows, also posted season lows the week of Thanksgiving and season highs the past 2 nights. Bizarro world. Of course, Dancing With the Stars finally disappeared, too. ABC has crap for programming now and Jericho isn't exactly drawing huge numbers. SV and SPN both aired reruns Thanksgiving night and this week, too, with their last first run episodes before hiatus next Thursday.

I'm assuming American Idol will squelch all the enthusiasm in the spring, however. Don't count the renewals before they're hatched.

WilCap

11-30-2006, 06:12 PM

Sweet! Well, of course since it was thanksgiving holiday., there would be low ratings for most shows last week. Yeah, I heard Tree Hill almost beat Day Break, which is bad. I don't expect to see that on still in January.

As for Idol coming back, things gonna get bad. But if Tree Hill stays steady, it'll be fine. I would consider a schedule change for CW, but I don't think they'll do anything

Wings#1ShowPeriod

11-30-2006, 06:32 PM

Its good to see The CW having a great week, only if SV/SN were airing new episodes this week.. The CW would be having there best week ever.

VM and OTH increasing week 2 week is great news for The CW as a whole cause until this week.. ratings have been sup-par for every CW show except Top Model which has been terrific and Reba which has brought new life to the CW Sunday.

galveston

11-30-2006, 06:41 PM

What scheduling changes could CW make? It's going to have to pay out a lot of makegoods to advertisers as it is. Apparently the suits made guarantees to advertisers of an average of 10 percent higher than each show earned on WB/UPN for ad rates/ratings--for an average number of weeks per cycle. Only Top Model has delivered. Everything else has been low, with the occasional bright spot episode like One Tree Hill had last night.

The comedies would die on any other night. They couldn't peform on Sundays. Girlfriends and the Game still can't. Veronica Mars isn't strong enough to anchor a night. They sure couldn't flip her to Sundays at 9 against Desperate Housewives or Thursdays, God forbid, against Grey's Anatomy. One Tree Hill can only thrive (by CW standards) on Wednesdays with no competition. Poor Supernatural is just withering on the vine Thursdays at 9; it's a much better show than people realize. Better than One Tree Hill, that's for sure. That it hasn't gone under 3 million is miraculous. Model has to remain Wednesdays at 8.

You want to talk to a cranky CW fan, talk to an SPN fan like myself and tell her how great and resurgent 7th Heaven is doing Sundays at 8. SPN fans were wanting that spot for their show baaaaaaaaaad. :crybaby: SPN will never show any growth against CSI, Grey's, the O.C. (which apparently shares a demo) and DOND on NBC, which was drawing 12 and 13 million. Whether Scrubs will hurt or help the situation (good demos, lousy overall numbers) remains to be seen. Point is, Supernatural won't get any better in its present timeslot and it's stuck because the CW can't throw anything else there. I'd love to see 7th Heaven try out Thursdays at 9 "for fun." :smash: I think with the proper promotion, SN could grow Sundays at 8. It won't happen, though. :crybaby: The CW's schedule seems mired in place--and Idol is coming. Sometimes I think they'll end up doing a housecleaning except for Top Model and Smallville. We'll see. At present, the CW sure isn't raking in the profits. :(

WilCap

11-30-2006, 06:49 PM

Tree Hill should go back behind Gilmore Girls when Idol comes around in my opinion. Veronica is going to be hard to place somewhere else. I still don't know where Hidden Palms will go

galveston

11-30-2006, 07:09 PM

Hidden Palms will have to go in place of either VM or OTH. I'm thinking they'll try it after Top Model, since it's a much better lead in than Gilmore Girls, but then you run smack into Idol. Does Idol's Wednesday show air in the 8 or 9 o'clock hour? Putting it after GG, though, will run smack into an Idol fueled House lead out, or against the "expanded Idol that seems to happen every other week. They sure can't premiere it on Thursdays, and Mondays would put it up against 24 and Heroes.

That's the problem. Too many people don't know that CW even exists if they weren't a fan of a WB or UPN show. I can't see Hidden Palms hitting it big. All the UPN and WB midseason shows last spring crashed and burned. Frankly, HP to me sounds like tripe compared to VM. Just more rich teen angst.

WilCap

11-30-2006, 07:23 PM

I think Idol is at the 8 pm hour, so it would go against ANTM. Wait? Isn't ANTM off in the spring? Beauty and the Geek is in that spot I think? Or that is what I remember reading I believe. I think Tree Hill should move to VM spot, Hidden Palm talk Tree Hill spot, and VM move at the 8 pm on Sunday pushin 7th heaven to the 9 on Sunday

Scoobiedoo30

11-30-2006, 07:30 PM

I was looking at my Star Sight and on Sunday, December 3, 2006 The CW will air Grandma Got Runover by a Reindeer at 5:00 pm Central Time.

galveston

11-30-2006, 07:34 PM

Top Model has another cycle in the spring. Beauty and the Geek comes in between.

Wings#1ShowPeriod

12-01-2006, 02:45 AM

CW Monday is up, Veronica Mars and OTH reached season highs.. So Mon-Wed are doing good .. that can mean only good things for Supernatural along with Smallville, the best night of television which has been conisitent all season will get a bump in viewership. Even if it doesn't get a bump in viewers, its performance will still be good.

Unless Jo appears in the next episode, Supernatural will be fine.. (its holding steady for The CW on Thursday along with Smallville) and since 9 episodes have aired thus far that leaves 13 for the new year..

galveston

12-01-2006, 03:00 AM

Ahhhhh, Jo. I can understand the desire to expand the show's universe with a few characters, but what a classic misfire her character was. I don't know what the director was thinking having her do the flirty, bratty, Mary Sue routine in "No Exit," but it didn't work. The idea of a very gradual romance with Dean's character is a good one, but it needs to be with someone who looks and acts like she's at least graduated from high school. I can see Dean jumping into bed with Jo's mother easier than seeing him want to baby sit Jo.

Brent88

12-01-2006, 03:27 AM

WilCap

12-01-2006, 02:53 PM

Oh my mistake, must have read wrong. Well, either way, whereever Idol is, it's going to dominate. So CW is going to need to redo their schedule here soon. Shouldn't they announce a mid season schedule soon?

galveston

12-01-2006, 04:08 PM

There's nothing to announce except where they're going to put Hidden Palms. We already know that Beauty and the Geek will air in January. The network doesn't have anything else.

Buffyboy323

12-01-2006, 11:13 PM

^ Uuuh yeah they do.

Below are the anticipated replacements waiting in the wings for this current CW 2006/2007 season. Some new, some returning.

COMEDY

Aliens In America (sitcom) (New)
DESCRIPTION from thefutoncritic:
single-camera comedy about an unpopular 16-year-old (dan byrd) and a 16-year-old pakistani muslim (adhir kalyan) who comes to live with the boy's family in wisconsin as an exchange student

DESCRIPTION from wikipedia:
Aliens in America is a sitcom series for The CW Television Network, being developed by NBC Universal, for a midseason replacement in the 2006-2007 television season. It tells the story of a Wisconsin mom who arranges to host a foreign exchange student, believing the visitor will help her shy son become more popular. When the student turns out to be a Muslim teenager from Pakistan, her plans go awry.

DRAMA

Gossip Girl (drama) (New)
DESCRIPTION from wikipedia:
Gossip Girl is an American televison drama to be aired on The CW Television Network as a mid-season replacement in Spring/Summer 2007.

The pilot will be written by creator of the Fox Television Network program The O.C., Josh Schwartz. Gossip Girl is based upon the novel series by Cecily von Ziegesar of the same name, which features socialite teenagers growing up on New York's Upper East Side and going to the poshest high schools, and dealing with sex, drugs, and other adult issues.

Hidden Palms (drama) (8 episodes order) (New)
DESCRIPTION from wikipedia:
Hidden Palms is an American television series being produced for The CW in the 2006–2007 season, where it will be a midseason replacement in 2007. The series will also air in Canada on CHUM Limited's Citytv and A-Channel stations.

It is a coming-of-age drama about a troubled teen who moves to a gated community in Palm Springs where he uncovers some dark secrets. It's being written and produced by Kevin Williamson, creator of Dawson's Creek and I Know What You Did Last Summer and directed by Scott Winant (My So-Called Life, Huff).

REALITY

Beauty and the Geek (reality) (WB)
will move to The CW once both The WB and UPN cease operations in September 2006. [wikipedia]

The Search for the Next Pussycat Doll (reality) (New)
DESCRIPTION from wikipedia:
The Search for the Next Pussycat Doll is the working title for a upcoming reality series that will debut in the 2006–2007 TV season on The CW Television Network. The series will take place over the course of eight weeks. The series is a joint venture of 10 Entertainment, Pussycat Dolls, LLC, Jimmy Iovine's Interscope A&M Records, Wonderland Sound and Vision, and Warner Horizon Television

The series will follow a group of young women as they go through an audition process to join The Pussycat Dolls. The girls, who will also live together during the course of the series, will be groomed under the group's founder Robin Antin (who is also the series co-producer/creator) and will be put under the microscope as they are judged on their vocal and dancing ability. The winner will join The Pussycat Dolls as the act's seventh member alongside the current six members who will also appear in the series. Portions of the series will also air live.

galveston

12-01-2006, 11:52 PM

The Search for the next Pussycat Doll? Like I said, the CW doesn't have much. :lol: That doesn't sound promising to me.

Buffyboy323

12-02-2006, 10:19 PM

The Search for the next Pussycat Doll? Like I said, the CW doesn't have much. :lol: That doesn't sound promising to me.
:lol: Oh I know what you mean, but they are trying with some stuff. I think if they kept "The WB" President, The CW would be better. I'm sorry, but UPN has taken over.

ThomasE

12-03-2006, 08:36 PM

I am just sorry I have to wait until 11:35 pm to watch Reba.

Why do you have to wait till so late to watch it? I have been putting all airing for Reba and the Monday Night's comedies onto DVD. Life is good.

galveston

12-09-2006, 03:18 AM

Just a heads up for anyone who is interested. The CW has made Supernatural available for download at iTunes. So far it's the only series. You can download the first eight episodes of season two individually, or in a group. If anyone wants to catch up over break, there it is. :happyface

Scoobiedoo30

12-09-2006, 11:21 AM

The reason why I have to watch Reba at 11:35 pm is because I am not home on Sunday Night's

Wings#1ShowPeriod

12-26-2006, 11:13 PM

Reminder: Beauty and The Geek priemeres Wednesday January 3 [2 Hour Priemere]

Veronica Mars is also available on Itunes.

From PiFeedback.com [Rumored, Likely will happen]
Beauty and the Geek has its season finale on February 21st.
America's Next Top Model Cycle 8 has a 2hr premiere on February 28th.
Hidden Palms premieres after ANTM8 on March 7th.
The Pussycat doll show premieres on March 6th replacing Veronica Mars for 7 weeks.

One Tree Hill and Veronica Mars return in late April

WilCap

12-26-2006, 11:24 PM

Hearing that is gonna make me hate HP... ha I love OTH. Least a possible goodshow is replacin it

Buffyboy323

12-27-2006, 12:48 AM

I plan on watching these 3 mis-season shows. I hope they turn out to be good. The CW's first Fall Season ever was nothing to brag about.

Aliens In America (The premise sounds funny)

Gossip Girl (I'm curious if Josh Shwartz can do anything else besides Primetime soaps/Teen shows. The OC, now this...)

Hidden Palms (Sounds good. The "Scream" movies are at the top of my most classic cheesy movies list. Classic nonetheless. And god knows I was addicted to "The Creek.")

WilCap

12-27-2006, 02:15 AM

Only one I'm interested in is Hidden Palms. Others I could careless about. I really think they should take 7th Heaven off, move HP to post GG spot, and keep OTH where its at

PrettyinPink55

12-27-2006, 02:28 AM

I'm really excited about Gossip Girls! I didn't know it was mid-season though...

The futon Critic says otherwise... :confused:

Wings#1ShowPeriod

01-13-2007, 09:57 PM

Gossip Girl probably won't priemere until September 2007..

Reminder:

One Tree Hill returns Wednesday January 17, 9/8c.

The CW Monday [Everybody Hates Chris, All Of Us, Girlfriends, The Game] returns Monday January 22...

Gilmore Girls returns Tuesday January 23, 8/7c.

Veronica Mars returns Tuesday January 23, 9/8c.

Scoobiedoo30

01-16-2007, 06:05 PM

Can someoine tell me what show's are in Hight Definition

TVListinGuy

01-17-2007, 01:23 AM

All of the CW's non-reality primetime shows air in HD, except for 7th Heaven.

Scoobiedoo30

01-17-2007, 01:36 AM

what does non-realty

Brent88

01-17-2007, 02:21 PM

what does non-realty

Non-reality means it's not a reality show. Sitcom, drama, etc. Everything except Model and Geek.

Scoobiedoo30

01-17-2007, 02:30 PM

Thanks for The Help.

Wings#1ShowPeriod

01-18-2007, 03:18 PM

American Idol does it again.. destroys the competition but the ones were affected were ABC Knights of Prosperity/In Case of Emergency AND..

One Tree Hill, which took a massive hit. Last night episode recevied a 1.6/2, 2.17 million and a 1.0 in the demo.. :eek2: dang Idol.

WilCap

01-18-2007, 03:39 PM

Well, what did you expect from Idol? That's not that bad actually thinking it went up against Idol

Wings#1ShowPeriod

01-18-2007, 04:10 PM

yea, I expected Idol to destroy everything in its path.. It was expected, but I was hoping for OTH to get closer to 3 million, maybe 2.7 mil-2.8mil. Hopefully, itll do better next week.

galveston

01-18-2007, 06:06 PM

I'm not surprised that OTH did so poorly. It shares too much of a demographic with Idol. The teens who watch OTH actually care who "wins" the fixed contest that is Idol. OTH has had it pretty easy in its timeslot until now, especially after Lost went off the air and Daybreak bombed so hard that it was only drawing 4 million viewers and demos in the ones. Criminal Minds skews older. With AI, reality sets in. C'est la vie. Until the CW decides to create older skewing shows, or goes with more genre like Supernatural, Idol is going to be the same problem every year.

Brent88

01-18-2007, 08:02 PM

The CW should have went with a repeat last night instead of a new episode. In a few weeks, Idol will be lower(yes still massive, but not getting a 31 share). They should have waited.

galveston

01-18-2007, 08:09 PM

Absolutely they should have waited. I was very surprised to hear they went with a first run episode against Idol's premiere. The suits must want to get rid of OTH. I stand by my opinion that this network needs older skewing shows or it won't be able to stay in business long term. Only NCIS and Criminal Minds on CBS have been able to stand up to Idol's presure, because they skew more between 30-60 than 18-49.

What I'm (morbidly) interested in seeing is if all the Christopher crap on Gilmore Girls has finally alienated its fans to the point that they won't be so loyal in the face of Idol anymore. Next week they go head to head before the SOTU address. I remember SN having to face two hour and a half long Idols last season when it still aired Tuesdays at 9 and feeling grateful that it scored 4.25 and 3.87 million those nights. CW needs older skewing, and it needs more genre programming. Genre fans, and fans over 30 tend to be much more loyal to their favorite programs in the face of Idol. There's plenty of 30-34 year olds in the 18-34 demo, Dawn. Advertisers still value the 18-49 demo, too. Plenty of shows to be written for the slightly older viewer.