See for yourself.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4966247865822694333&q=Archive+of+American+Television

Thanks for the link

Lear had nothing to do with the connection of the two shows, all he did was give Esther Rolle a show of her own. So him saying it's a spinoff means nothing because the Executive Producer, Alan Manings, was involved in the production of the show and the characters and I still agree with him

Lear had nothing to do with the connection of the two shows, all he did was give Esther Rolle a show of her own. So him saying it's a spinoff means nothing because the Executive Producer, Alan Manings, was involved in the production of the show and the characters and I still agree with him
Norman Lear's word meant something to you yesterday.

I've seen both, and I will always believe that GT was a spinoff of Maude. Just accept the fact that I don't agree with you and will not agree with you on this topic.

Or until I provide a quote from Norman Lear-lol

Oh boy here we go again-lol

Norman Lear's word meant something to you yesterday.


After thinking about it, Lear really had nothing to do whether it was a spinoff or not, he just gave Esther Rolle an opportunity to star in a new black comedy. So what Lear says really doesn;t matter unless he can explained

1. Why James was no longer a fireman
2.Why the Evans were no longer in Harlem
3. Why Florida's husband name was James instead of Henry


Alan manings, supports my argument and that's pretty much the end

Here is what you posted on April 30, 2006 Solomon:


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Quote:
Originally Posted by I Walk The Line
If only Norman Lear could post in this thread.



TVresearcher:
Damm I wish I still had his Cell Phone Number-lol

Here is what you posted on April 30, 2006 Solomon:


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Quote:
Originally Posted by I Walk The Line
If only Norman Lear could post in this thread.



TVresearcher:
Damm I wish I still had his Cell Phone Number-lol




I know but after thinking about it, I have all the support I need, from these two guys

Alan manings and Eric Monte

I know but after thinking about it, I have all the support I need, from these two guys

Alan manings and Eric Monte


LOL If it wasn't for Lear there wouldn't have been a Good Times. No one wanted to give Monte the time of day.

LOL If it wasn't for Lear there wouldn't have been a Good Times. No one wanted to give Monte the time of day.


True, but all he did was give Esther Rolle her own show, he wasn't wrapped up into whether it was a spinoff or not.

True, but all he did was give Esther Rolle her own show, he wasn't wrapped up into whether it was a spinoff or not.


So with the fact that Lear took Florida from Maude and gave her, her own show made Good Times a spinoff.

True, but all he did was give Esther Rolle her own show, he wasn't wrapped up into whether it was a spinoff or not.
For Heaven's sake Solomon, Norman Lear states on that video that Florida Evans and her husband were spun off into Good Times.

Manning was a producer, big deal. They're a dime a dozen. Monte wrote Good Times. He had nothing to do how the show was cast or that Lear developed Good Times by spinning off characters from another show.

It also wouldn't matter if Good Times was written in the 50s.

You're starting to sound foolish Solomon. No offense.

The man has spoken. Norman Lear said Good Times is a spinoff, and he's the one who developed the show.

So with the fact that Lear took Florida from Maude and gave her, her own show made Good Times a spinoff.


He asked the WRITERS to write Esther Rolle's character OFF MAUDE because he wanted her to star in a New Black Comedy that was based in Chicago. You know, a comedy that was created by a young talented black guy named eric Monte in the spring of 1971

For Heaven's sake Solomon, Norman Lear states on that video that Florida Evans and her husband were spun off into Good Times.

Manning was a producer, big deal. They're a dime a dozen. Monte wrote Good Times. He had nothing to do how the show was cast or that Lear developed Good Times by spinning off characters from another show.

It also wouldn't matter if Good Times was written in the 50s.

You're starting to sound foolish Solomon. No offense.

The man has spoken. Norman Lear said Good Times is a spinoff, and he's the one who developed the show.


I'm the one who needs to interview him because whoever did that interview did not ask the right questions.

He asked the WRITERS to write Esther Rolle's character OFF MAUDE because he wanted her to star in a New Black Comedy that was based in Chicago. You know, a comedy that was created by a young talented black guy named eric Monte in the spring of 1971


Do you know the meaning of Spin Off. He took Flo from Maude and gave her a show, SPINOFF :lol: Just say it.

He asked the WRITERS to write Esther Rolle's character OFF MAUDE because he wanted her to star in a New Black Comedy that was based in Chicago. You know, a comedy that was created by a young talented black guy named eric Monte in the spring of 1971
What you just wrote is complete BS Solomon.

You need to take the cotton out of your ears and listen to Lear's video interview on the first post of this thread.

I'm the one who needs to interview him because whoever did that interview did not ask the right questions.
What questions would you ask Solomon?

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=150005&highlight=maude (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=150005&highlight=maude)


If GT is not a spin-off then I suggest that all of the 'Net sites drastically change their listings of GT. Amazon.com must be told that they are false advertising the GD DVD's. The Museum of Broadcast History must close down immediately - after all, if they are stating that GT is a Maude spin-off, then what other mistakes are they making with other programs?

Does anyone know what Norman Lear's take on this is? I mean, what if he says that GT is a spin-off of Maude. Does his authority cancel out the other producers comment in the 1975 article?



Of course it does. but if Norman Lear says GT is a spinoff, he will have to answer about 80 questions from me-lol

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=150005&highlight=maude (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=150005&highlight=maude)





Janice, you are doing your homework!

School Solomon with your knowledge LOL

What questions would you ask Solomon?


Why wasn't there a pilot ep for Good Times like how it was done for the Jeffersons and Maude?

Why was the husband's name changed?

Why was the location different without explanation on Good Times?

Why was the Evans Poor if they were moving up on Maude?

Why did Alan Manings say it wasn't a spinoff if It really was?

Janice, you are doing your homework!
:lol: I'll say. That Norman Lear interview that I posted was in 10 sections, each at least half an hour. The first five were about Lear's childhood and how he broke into show biz.

Once he started discusssing his shows, I had to start listening. It was like finding a needle in a haystack.

First off though, I almost fell off my chair when I found it. I was looking for a magazine article or something....but to have Norman Lear stating the Good Tiimes was a spinoff of Maude, ON VIDEO, no less...I couldn't believe my luck.

:lol: I'll say. That Norman Lear interview that I posted was in 10 sections, each at least half an hour. The first five were about Lear's childhood and how he broke into show biz.

Once he started discusssing his shows, I had to start listening. It was like finding a needle in a haystack.

First off though, I almost fell off my chair when I found it. I was looking for a magazine article or something....but to have Norman Lear stating the Good Tiimes was a spinoff of Maude, ON VIDEO, no less...I couldn't believe my luck.
I knew Norman Lear felt it was a spin-off. Especially when the cast thanked him at the TVLand awards, you knew the connection was there. I had tried to find something too as far as Norman saying in his own words whether it was or wasn't.

Norman says it's a spin-off so I guess it is. :lol:

Why wasn't there a pilot ep for Good Times like how it was done for the Jeffersons and Maude?
Norman Lear just did it different that time.
Why was the husband's name changed?
Lear liked the name James more? It didn't matter on Maude since he wasn't a regular cast member? It's not really important. Name changes happen.
Why was the location different without explanation on Good Times?
Perhaps Eric Monte stipulated that he wanted it that way since it was autobiographical. Maybe Lear didn't want another show set in New York. Could be anything.
Why was the Evans Poor if they were moving up on Maude?
I don't understand that question.

Why did Alan Manings say it wasn't a spinoff if It really was?

Could be sour grapes. Could be he was misinformed. Maybe he's an idiot.

Janice I can kiss you!!!

Finally justice has been served! The debate is over. Good Times is a spinoff. Nice try backtracking Solomon, but nothing you say from this point on will have validity. The owner of this show has spoken. :dance:

Norman Lear just did it different that time.

Lear liked the name James more? It didn't matter on Maude since he wasn't a regular cast member? It's not really important. Name changes happen.

Perhaps Eric Monte stipulated that he wanted it that way since it was autobiographical. Maybe Lear didn't want another show set in New York. Could be anything.

I don't understand that question.


Could be sour grapes. Could be he was misinformed. Maybe he's an idiot.
I have never taken what Allan Manings states as truth since he himself doesn't seem sure...i mean, why make a statement like "is really not a spin-off"...either it is or it isn't. Besides, I had stated before that his job was taken over by a wife/husband team, so his word is not really worth anything, especially since his work wasn't taken seriously...obviously, or they wouldn't have replaced him. Why take the word of a "disgruntled" employee or in this case a former employee. I believe Allan Manings name shouldn't even be a part of the debate here. It should be Norman Lear and Monte/Evans. I too believe that Allan is AN IDIOT.

I've tried to hammer that point home to Solomon in the past, "not really" is not a definite NO. If I say that I am not really hungry, that leaves it open that I may be a little hungry, it doesn't state that I am full.

I've tried to hammer that point home to Solomon in the past, "not really" is not a definite NO. If I say that I am not really hungry, that leaves it open that I may be a little hungry, it doesn't state that I am full.
That is a good analogy. Not really is NOT REALLY A GOOD ANSWER...:lol:

JUST SOME INFO FOR THOSE WHO CARE:

The Television Producer
A television producer is basically the boss of a television program. The producer can be in charge of everything from the program's inception to post-production. Producers have a wide range of responsibility which includes scheduling, budget, talent management and creative control.

There are a number of different types of producer — you will often see two or more in a program's credits. Common types of producer include:

Executive Producer The boss of all the other producers. The executive producer usually has final say on all aspects of the production.
In some cases however, the executive producer is not much more than a figurehead or honorary title. For example, a producer who starts a successful long-running show might retire from any working role but stay on "at the top" in name only.
Associate Producer Takes on production tasks and responsibilities as designated by the producer. The associate producer often runs day-to-day operations, leaving the producer to concentrate on the bigger picture.
Co-producer Works with one or more other producers as a team on the same project.
Coordinating Producer Coordinates the efforts of two or more other producers, either on the same or separate projects.
Supervising Producer Supervises other producers, often under the direction of an executive producer.
Segment Producer Responsible for one segment of a larger program. For example, a lifestyle program might have a regular travel segment managed by a segment producer.
Line Producer Runs the more practical aspects of the production such as logistics and personnel, as opposes to the creative content.

For Heaven's sake Solomon, Norman Lear states on that video that Florida Evans and her husband were spun off into Good Times.

Manning was a producer, big deal. They're a dime a dozen. Monte wrote Good Times. He had nothing to do how the show was cast or that Lear developed Good Times by spinning off characters from another show.

It also wouldn't matter if Good Times was written in the 50s.

You're starting to sound foolish Solomon. No offense.

The man has spoken. Norman Lear said Good Times is a spinoff, and he's the one who developed the show.


The only thing I'm confused about Janice is that you did your own research to support that it is a spinoff. I thought you on my side of this debate-lol Regardless, my opinion was supported in a 1975 Ebony Magazine and Nothing will ever look at Good Times as a spinoff.

From the beginning of this show "Good times" I remember reading (long ago) that this was a spin off.

Florida was Maude's domestic helper and people wanted to know about Florida and her family hence Good Times came to be.

I would think this is enough to settle this whole debate, but apparently it isn't, LOL.

I just can't believe Janice TURNED on me like that and went and did some research on the sneak tip when I thought we were in agreement. Janice you have truly surprised me today. I feel like Donovan Mcnabb when TO turned on him-lol

I just can't believe Janice TURNED on me like that and went and did some research on the sneak tip when I thought we were in agreement. Janice you have truly surprised me today. I feel like Donovan Mcnabb when TO turned on him-lol
:rofl:

I just can't believe Janice TURNED on me like that and went and did some research on the sneak tip when I thought we were in agreement. Janice you have truly surprised me today. I feel like Donovan Mcnabb when TO turned on him-lol
:lol: You've got it all wrong Solomon. It's nothing personal. I thought the debate was over, but I still had my doubts. I even told you that in a PM the other day. When someone posted that John Amos appeared on Maude, my doubts intensified.

I just searched out "Norman Lear Interviews". If Lear stated that Good Times was not a spinoff, I would have posted that. I don't have a horse in this race. I just want to know, that's all.

I just can't believe Janice TURNED on me like that and went and did some research on the sneak tip when I thought we were in agreement. Janice you have truly surprised me today. I feel like Donovan Mcnabb when TO turned on him-lol
OMG. :rofl:

The only thing I'm confused about Janice is that you did your own research to support that it is a spinoff. I thought you on my side of this debate-lol Regardless, my opinion was supported in a 1975 Ebony Magazine and Nothing will ever look at Good Times as a spinoff.


Sorry Solomon, but you no longer have a leg to stand on.

I just can't believe this debate has started again-lol

Janice I can kiss you!!!
:biglove: :kiss:

I just can't believe this debate has started again-lol

It hasn't started again, it is over. Solomon no longer has credibility. Norman Lear has spoken. It is a spinoff.

What I find funny is this debate has been going on every since I've been here All we needed was Janice to find it. It didn't take her long. :lol:

What I find funny is this debate has been going on every since I've been here All we needed was Janice to find it. It didn't take her long. :lol:


That is so true, I searched and searched the internet for a Norman Lear comment about the show and always came up empty.

Sorry Solomon, but you no longer have a leg to stand on.


:lol: :lol: Yeah now I think that this debate is OVER

What I find funny is this debate has been going on every since I've been here All we needed was Janice to find it. It didn't take her long. :lol:
That is so true, I searched and searched the internet for a Norman Lear comment about the show and always came up empty.
I've done a lot of researching myself and always came up with nothing.

For some reason today, I thought of a commercial I've seen for Dogpile.com, a search engine. I guess it's a compilation of many search engines. I'd never used it before.

I just entered Norman Lear Interview in the search field. I didn't even do an advanced search. There it was, just a couple of hits down on the first page. But like I stated earlier, it was a 10-part interview. I had to listen to a lot to find that nugget of gold.

The funny thing is, Solomon for years has been saying that when Norman Lear says it is a spinoff, he will finally admit it was one. Then Janice provides the proof and ALL OF A SUDDEN, he changes his mind. lol

The funny thing is, Solomon for years has been saying that when Norman Lear says it is a spinoff, he will finally admit it was one. Then Janice provides the proof and ALL OF A SUDDEN, he changes his mind. lol


This had brought a little more sunshine to my day :lol:

The funny thing is, Solomon for years has been saying that when Norman Lear says it is a spinoff, he will finally admit it was one. Then Janice provides the proof and ALL OF A SUDDEN, he changes his mind. lol
I have been here since July and I have seen him post that same comment many times.

I've done a lot of researching myself and always came up with nothing.

For some reason today, I thought of a commercial I've seen for Dogpile.com, a search engine. I guess it's a compilation of many search engines. I'd never used it before.

I just entered Norman Lear Interview in the search field. I didn't even do an advanced search. There it was, just a couple of hits down on the first page. But like I stated earlier, it was a 10-part interview. I had to listen to a lot to find that nugget of gold.



You were supposed to be looking for info that Supported that it wasn't a spinoff. I'm really surprised at you Janice. I will be sending you PM-lol

You were supposed to be looking for info that Supported that it wasn't a spinoff. I'm really surprised at you Janice. I will be sending you PM-lol
:lol: I searched for Norman Lear interviews. I can't help what I discovered. It could have worked the other way, but it didn't.

Norman Lear. He owned the show didn't he? :lol:

You were supposed to be looking for info that Supported that it wasn't a spinoff. I'm really surprised at you Janice. I will be sending you PM-lol

Now, now now Solomon, no back tracking. lol

:lol: I searched for Norman Lear interviews. I can't help what I discovered. It could have worked the other way, but it didn't.

Norman Lear. He owned the show didn't he? :lol:


But why agree with me and then go against me? Janice you know that you told me I had a strong argument last week and then you go and research something supporting the other side. I will have to say this is the most shocking moment of my time at SitcomsOnline-lol

Solomon, I go with what Eric Monte says. Why would you choose to stick with Alan Mannings (btw he is the step-father of Meredith Baxter) who states something so pitiful as "it's really not a spin-off"? I mean, you are the tvresearcher, you are supposed to be THEE SOURCE. Yet, the source you choose to abide by is really not a good source. Me thinks you choose his opinion simply it is your opinion too. At least Eric Monte is the creator...how things went down with Norman Lear, have left me skeptical abt the status of the show. The Black Family certainly isn't a spin-off. Good Times, via many sources, is a spin-off. Eric Monte states Good Times isn't a spin-off because of his idea being stolen. The case was settled out of court (am I correct?) therefore, the details of the settlement are not for public view. So, if the details are not for public view, how do we know what was settled upon? That Norman Lear can call this show HIS and therefore, a spin-off? Eric Monte says it's not a spin-off because his idea was stolen? Was it even stolen?
I still side with Eric Monte.

This has gotten so silly it's almost funny. :lol:

Solomon, I go with what Eric Monte says. Why would you choose to stick with Alan Mannings (btw he is the step-father of Meredith Baxter) who states something so pitiful as "it's really not a spin-off"? I mean, you are the tvresearcher, you are supposed to be THEE SOURCE. Yet, the source you choose to abide by is really not a good source. Me thinks you choose his opinion simply it is your opinion too. At least Eric Monte is the creator...how things went down with Norman Lear, have left me skeptical abt the status of the show. The Black Family certainly isn't a spin-off. Good Times, via many sources, is a spin-off. Eric Monte states Good Times isn't a spin-off because of his idea being stolen. The case was settled out of court (am I correct?) therefore, the details of the settlement are not for public view. So, if the details are not for public view, how do we know what was settled upon? That Norman Lear can call this show HIS and therefore, a spin-off? Eric Monte says it's not a spin-off because his idea was stolen? Was it even stolen?
I still side with Eric Monte.


I know for a fact if I interviewed Norman Lear, I would have 84 year old man doing the MOONWALK-lol

But why agree with me and then go against me? Janice you know that you told me I had a strong argument last week and then you go and research something supporting the other side. I will have to say this is the most shocking moment of my time at SitcomsOnline-lol
I didn't go against you. I was trying to find the answer, whatever that answer would be.

You gotta let it go buddy. Game's over. Checkmate. Game-set-match. The fat lady has sung. The gig's up. ;)

I know for a fact if I interviewed Norman Lear, I would have 84 year old man doing the MOONWALK-lol
He'd probably do this MOON thing instead: :mooner: :lol: :wave:

I didn't go against you. I was trying to find the answer, whatever that answer would be.

You gotta let it go buddy. Game's over. Checkmate. Game-set-match. The fat lady has sung. The gig's up. ;)
You mean JUDITH COHEN??????

I didn't go against you. I was trying to find the answer, whatever that answer would be.

You gotta let it go buddy. Game's over. Checkmate. Game-set-match. The fat lady has sung. The gig's up. ;)


But you really wasn't apart of the debate so u could have just kept that intervierw to yourself and let up to Brian or Brienna to find it-lol You were kind of leaning toward my side but wasn't actively involved in the debate. I don't know what else to say, I'm crushed

But you really wasn't apart of the debate so u could have just kept that intervierw to yourself and let up to Brian or Brienna to find it-lol You were kind of leaning toward my side but wasn't actively involved in the debate. I don't know what else to say, I'm crushed


Now admit that you were wrong so we can end this.

Now admit that you were
wrong so we can end this.


It can't end right because they are a lot of unanswered questions. Like you saying Lear admitted in the Washington Post that GT wasn't a spinoff but the year has not been confirmed. Then we have the whole Monte thing along with Manings, it can't end right now

But you really wasn't apart of the debate so u could have just kept that intervierw to yourself and let up to Brian or Brienna to find it-lol You were kind of leaning toward my side but wasn't actively involved in the debate. I don't know what else to say, I'm crushed
Okay, now I feel bad. :(

Solomon, I go with what Eric Monte says. Why would you choose to stick with Alan Mannings (btw he is the step-father of Meredith Baxter) who states something so pitiful as "it's really not a spin-off"? I mean, you are the tvresearcher, you are supposed to be THEE SOURCE. Yet, the source you choose to abide by is really not a good source. Me thinks you choose his opinion simply it is your opinion too. At least Eric Monte is the creator...how things went down with Norman Lear, have left me skeptical abt the status of the show. The Black Family certainly isn't a spin-off. Good Times, via many sources, is a spin-off. Eric Monte states Good Times isn't a spin-off because of his idea being stolen. The case was settled out of court (am I correct?) therefore, the details of the settlement are not for public view. So, if the details are not for public view, how do we know what was settled upon? That Norman Lear can call this show HIS and therefore, a spin-off? Eric Monte says it's not a spin-off because his idea was stolen? Was it even stolen?
I still side with Eric Monte.

Alan Mannings is weak for a variety of reasons.

1. Not Really doesn't mean "No," It is more undecided than anything else.

2. The article itself claimed that GT WAS a spinoff. Why would the author of that article write that especially after what Alan Mannings said?

As for Eric Monte...

He Doesn't have to say it was a spinoff because to him, it wasn't. He wrote that concept based loosely on his life in Chicago ghetto. He had no intentions of spinning off anything.
However, who is the person getting royalty checks from GT? Is it Monte who is homeless and destitute or is it Lear a billionare. I'm not saying that Lear didn't steal the GT concept, but he was the one who got that show off the ground and he was the one who tweaked certain things to fit it the way Lear wanted it.

It can't end right because they are a lot of unanswered questions. Like you saying Lear admitted in the Washington Post that GT wasn't a spinoff but the year has not been confirmed. Then we have the whole Monte thing along with Manings, it can't end right now

You yourself say that you don't go by hear say. So you have to end it.

But you really wasn't apart of the debate so u could have just kept that intervierw to yourself and let up to Brian or Brienna to find it-lol You were kind of leaning toward my side but wasn't actively involved in the debate. I don't know what else to say, I'm crushed
No you didn't say this!!!??? OMG...:faint:

No you didn't say this!!!??? OMG...:faint:


Now I know how Huik Hogan felt when Andre the Giant turned against him-lol And we all know those two were Cool

Now admit that you were wrong so we can end this.
I haven't been directly involved with this, but I agree with you. It's time to let it go, Solomon.;)

Now I know how Huik Hogan felt when Andre the Giant turned against him-lol And we all know those two were Cool
Wow! don't take it personal Solomon.

Awww come on guys. It was the greatest debate in the history of SO. Don't everyone be sad. :(

:bump

Good Times Debate

2003 - 2006
May you rest in peace....because we were right all along!

Good Times Debate

2003 - 2006
May you rest in peace....because we were right all along!


I was wondering when you would show up.lol Hey Tom, Janice did me wrong-lol

I was wondering when you would show up.lol Hey Tom, Janice did me wrong-lol

Its all good, dude. LOL. You gave us one of the greatest debates here on the boards. You will go down in history!

Its all good, dude. LOL. You gave us one of the greatest debates here on the boards. You will go down in history!


If you could have seen the look on my face when I first saw this thread-lol I was like-OH NO!! Say it ain't so!!.

If you could have seen the look on my face when I first saw this thread-lol I was like-OH NO!! Say it ain't so!!.

:lol: :lol: :lol: And this had gone on for three years? So you would have been like the villan and tried to stop Janice from posting this information. You could have blackmailed her...or J.J. 's case we should use the term, "brownmale".

:lol: :lol: :lol: And this had gone on for three years? So you would have been like the villan and tried to stop Janice from posting this information. You could have blackmailed her...or J.J. 's case we should use the term, "brownmale".


Janice turned on me like Shaq turned on Kobe-LOL

Well, that's okay. We can continue the Ramen debate if it makes you feel better...Thanks Janice! LOL.

or a new debate: Were the Evans' really that poor?

You know, when you think about it, "Frasier" isn't a spinoff of "Cheers."

On "Cheers," Frasier said his Father was a scientist. On "Frasier" Martin Crane was a retired Detective - he had a diferent job!

On "Cheers," Frasier's Mother appeared in one memorable episode to force Diane to break up with her son. On "Frasier," Mom had been deceased for quite a while.

Was Niles ever mentioned on "Cheers?" Yet, the writers put him in "Frasier."

Not a spinoff!

GT WAS a spinoff of Maude simply because Florida was Maude's housekeeper, and they had various plans to make a new life elsewhere besides Tuckahoe, NY.

That much I DO remember... :happyface :wave:

GT WAS a spinoff of Maude simply because Florida was Maude's housekeeper, and they had various plans to make a new life elsewhere besides Tuckahoe, NY.

That much I DO remember... :happyface :wave:


Sorry Cindy the Evans lived in Harlem not Tuckahoe, NY and there were never any moving plans discussed on Maude.

Sorry Cindy the Evans lived in Harlem not Tuckahoe, NY and there were never any moving plans discussed on Maude.

Look, buddy...
All I know is that whenever they discussed location within the Maude series, it was made a mention that Maude and Walter lived in Tuckahoe.
I wasn't referring to Florida/James, as far as where they lived or wherever!

Pay better attention to a person! :rolleyes:

Cindy you sound like DEE!!!!!!

Look, buddy...
All I know is that whenever they discussed location within the Maude series, it was made a mention that Maude and Walter lived in Tuckahoe.
I wasn't referring to Florida/James, as far as where they lived or wherever!

Pay better attention to a person! :rolleyes:


Ok you were talking about Maude but The Evans plan shouldn't have invloved packing up and moving to a new GHETTO in another State-lol They were already in Harlem

Cindy you sound like DEE!!!!!!
I was going to say that too. :lol:

Cindy you sound like DEE!!!!!!

This is true! :lol:

You all beat me to the punch. LOL.

I haven't been able to watch the Lear Interview so can someone answer these questions for me

How did the Spinoff Issue Come up?

How was the Spinoff Question Asked?

Lear explains how Florida was such a good character on Maude, and they brought John Amos on, and decided they were great together. So, he gave them a show, Good Times.

The interviewer states that Lear is thought of as the inventor of spinoffs. Lear says that he never liked that term. Lear explains how, after the decision to give them their own show, that they then filmed a pilot, or as it's known today, the spinoff.

Why can't you watch it Solomon?

Lear explains how Florida was such a good character on Maude, and they brought John Amos on, and decided they were great together. So, he gave them a show, Good Times.

The interviewer states that Lear is thought of as the inventor of spinoffs. Lear says that he never liked that term. Lear explains how, after the decision to give them their own show, that they then filmed a pilot, or as it's known today, the spinoff.

Why can't you watch it Solomon?


I couldn't hear it at WORK and can't view the interview at all at HOME

I couldn't hear it at WORK and can't view the interview at all at HOME
That's too bad. You should try to arrange to see it somewhere else.

Norman Lear talks for a few minutes about it, and it would be too much to transcribe, for me anyway.

There is, however, no doubt that Lear calls Good Times a spinoff. He uses that word himself. At another point, Lear agrees with the interviewer when he calls it a spinoff. Lear also explains the connection between the shows and how it came to be.

That's too bad. You should try to arrange to see it somewhere else.

Norman Lear talks for a few minutes about it, and it would be too much to transcribe, for me anyway.

There is, however, no doubt that Lear calls Good Times a spinoff. He uses that word himself. At another point, Lear agrees with the interviewer when he calls it a spinoff. Lear also explains the connection between the shows and how it came to be.


There is no connection between the two shows. Damm I wish I could interview him-lol

oh for craps sake,,,lets do this democratically...is GT a Maude spinoff, yes or no?....vote NOW///////// I vote YES!!!

There is no connection between the two shows. Damm I wish I could interview him-lol
Norman Lear explains the connection in detail.

Norman Lear explains the connection in detail.


If he didn;t explain in FULL DETAIL how the Evans ended up in another state with NO MONEY i don't want to hear it-lol

If he didn;t explain in FULL DETAIL how the Evans ended up in another state with NO MONEY i don't want to hear it-lol
That's just inconsistencies or changes that needed to be made to fit with the show's premise (James' occupation). Many shows have things that can't be explained.

I can't believe you're still not convinced. Who has to say it, God? :lol:

If he didn;t explain in FULL DETAIL how the Evans ended up in another state with NO MONEY i don't want to hear it-lol

He gave Florida her own show, that's how it a spin off, Move on already :lol:

He gave Florida her own show, that's how it a spin off, Move on already :lol:


Again, if he can't explain the Chicago Location then what he says means Didly POOP-lol

Again, if he can't explain the Chicago Location then what he says means Didly POOP-lol

He did, he said that since Monte was from the south side and lived in Cabrini Green housing projects and since it was based around Monte that's why the Evans lived in Chi-town.

Do me a favor and look up the definition of Spin-Off.

He did, he said that since Monte was from the south side and lived in Cabrini Green housing projects and since it was based around Monte that's why the Evans lived in Chi-town.

Do me a favor and look up the definition of Spin-Off.


Well if that means the interviewer should have asked-"Well why wasn't the location change explained on Good Times to keep the connection between Maude and Good Times and why was Amos Character no longer named Henry?

Well if that means the interviewer should have asked-"Well why wasn't the location change explained on Good Times to keep the connection between Maude and Good Times and why was Amos Character no longer named Henry?


Well he shoulda, coulda, woulda but he didn't. At the end of the day Lear still said that GT was a Spin off of Maude :lol:

Well he shoulda, coulda, woulda but he didn't. At the end of the day Lear still said that GT was a Spin off of Maude :lol:


And I still say he is WRONG, they also should have asked-"why wasn't there a pilot ep for Good Times like it was for the Jeffersons and Maude

And I still say he is WRONG, they also should have asked-"why wasn't there a pilot ep for Good Times like it was for the Jeffersons and Maude


Lear still said that it was a SPIN OFF

Lear still said that it was a SPIN OFF


Maybe he was Drunk during the Interview and forgot that there was no SET UP ep for Good Times

Maybe he was Drunk during the Interview and forgot that there was no SET UP ep for Good Times
You're scraping the bottom of the barrel now Solomon, lol. Lear was not drunk.

You're scraping the bottom of the barrel now Solomon, lol. Lear was not drunk.


He had to be Drunk because all theses shows had set up eps before the Characters spinoff

Maude
Jeffersons
Gloria

Maybe he was Drunk during the Interview and forgot that there was no SET UP ep for Good Times


Now, Now Solomon. You are leaning towards your own understanding. LOL. It is a spinoff. The connection is Florida. I study in the area of Television and Film. Believe me, things don't have to be accurate in order for them to labled under one category. Just wait until Irene and Brian read your posts. LOL. Norman Lear said it was a spinoff. Much like you, he does not like to really use that word but he openly admits to it being a spinoff. This thing is dead, SOL. Face it!:lol: Janice, you are wonderful! :banana:

Now, Now Solomon. You are leaning towards your own understanding. LOL. It is a spinoff. The connection is Florida. I study in the area of Television and Film. Believe me, things don't have to be accurate in order for them to labled under one category. Just wait until Irene and Brian read your posts. LOL. Norman Lear said it was a spinoff. Much like you, he does not like to really use that word but he openly admits to it being a spinoff. This thing is dead, SOL. Face it!:lol: Janice, you are wonderful! :banana:


The connection would be Florida if he was just her, but it wasn't so Lear had to be drinking-lol

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The connection would be Florida if he was just her, but it wasn't so Lear had to be drinking-lol


I just spoke to Mr. Lear and he does not appreciate you defaming his character like that. You better go into hiding.....

.


LOL. I loved that!

This thing is dead, SOL. Face it!:lol: Janice, you are wonderful! :banana:
:biglove: :triplets

Trishalla hasn't weigh in since the video surfaced. I'd be interested in her thoughts, and if the video has any bearing on her opinion.

Trishalla hasn't weigh in since the video surfaced. I'd be interested in her thoughts, and if the video has any bearing on her opinion.


ooooohhhh me too. Yeah that's very interesting how we haven't heard from her :lol:

I guess Solomon would never be able to consider his own argument a spin-off either, since there are way more inconsistencies there than Good Times ever had.

ooooohhhh me too. Yeah that's very interesting how we haven't heard from her :lol:


Trishalla doesn't need to watch that Interview if Lear is not explaining why was no Good Times Pilot

What do you mean by a pilot? a pilot episode that explains all the "inconsistencies"? or a pilot episode that just sets up all the characters, etc? Do all spin-offs have pilot episodes?

What do you mean by a pilot? a pilot episode that explains all the "inconsistencies"? or a pilot episode that just sets up all the characters, etc? Do all spin-offs have pilot episodes?


Yes, the Pilot sets up the Spinoff. Like the Pilot of Maude was an All in the Family ep, The Pilot of the Jeffersons was an All in the Family, the Pilot of Gloria was an All in the Family. So there was no Pilot ep of Good Times, like all his other Shows that were spinoffs.

Yes, the Pilot sets up the Spinoff. Like the Pilot of Maude was an All in the Family ep, The Pilot of the Jeffersons was an All in the Family, the Pilot of Gloria was an All in the Family. So there was no Pilot ep of Good Times, like all his other Shows that were spinoffs.
Thank you for clarifying that.

Solomon I am suprised that you are beating that horse. It is a spinoff per Norman Lear. You said that you wanted to hear it from Norman Himself.

Solomon I am suprised that you are beating that horse. It is a spinoff per Norman Lear. You said that you wanted to hear it from Norman Himself.



The person interviewing him didnt ask the right questions

The person interviewing him didnt ask the right questions
Until you hear the interview yourself, you really can't comment on it with any credibility.

Until you hear the interview yourself, you really can't comment on it with any credibility.


Well from the sounds of it, that interview explains nothing. lol I will try and see if I can see it

Yes, the Pilot sets up the Spinoff. Like the Pilot of Maude was an All in the Family ep, The Pilot of the Jeffersons was an All in the Family, the Pilot of Gloria was an All in the Family. So there was no Pilot ep of Good Times, like all his other Shows that were spinoffs.

The pilot of "Frasier" aired after the show it was spun from (Cheers) had thier final episode and left TV.
Frasier is still a spinoff of Cheers, even though they didn't set up the premise of the spinoff during a Cheers episode.
AfterMASH premiered after M*A*S*H ended it's 11 season run.
By your defintion, these shows don't qualify as spinoffs.

The pilot of "Frasier" aired after the show it was spun from (Cheers) had thier final episode and left TV.
Frasier is still a spinoff of Cheers, even though they didn't set up the premise of the spinoff during a Cheers episode.
AfterMASH premiered after M*A*S*H ended it's 11 season run.
By your defintion, these shows don't qualify as spinoffs.



Fraiser is not a Norman Lear Show

The person interviewing him didnt ask the right questions


Get over it already, Don't get upset because GT is a spinoff of Maude LOL

Fraiser is not a Norman Lear Show

That's not the point. You're saying a show isn't a spinoff unless the pilot episode for said spinoff takes place on the show the characters originated from.

Wow! It sounds like to me that Solomon just wants it to be a non spinoff show. LOL. It all makes sense now. He is in denial. Norman specifically states that the program is a spinoff. You want to look at the situation from a different perspective and that is called, "your opinion".

Norman knew what he was saying and it is so obvious. I'm sorry, dude. There is no good leg to stand for this case especially if there is video to back up the claim. It sounds like you want to keep the illusion that it is not a spinoff. You wanted proof, it was provided. Trust me. We did not all get together and agreed to lie to end this 3 year argument. LOL. If we did, that would have been messed up.

That's not the point. You're saying a show isn't a spinoff unless the pilot episode for said spinoff takes place on the show the characters originated from.


That is the point because We are only talking about Norman Lear Shows. If GT is supposed to be a spinoff then why doesn't it have a SET UP ep like Lear's other spinoffs like Maude, Jeffersons, and Gloria. No PILOT=NO SPINOFF

Uh, sorry, Solomon. That is kinda irrelvant. LOL. You are going by your assumption and a traditional format that you are accustomed to seeing but you cannot force that belief that you have on others like that. Especially, if there is proof out of the words from the man who was behind the development.

That is the point because We are only talking about Norman Lear Shows. If GT is supposed to be a spinoff then why doesn't it have a SET UP ep like Lear's other spinoffs like Maude, Jeffersons, and Gloria. No PILOT=NO SPINOFF

I'm not going to bother with this **** anymore.

You're wrong.

Uh, sorry, Solomon. That is kinda irrelvant. LOL. You are going by your assumption and a tradional format that you are accustomed to seeing but you cannot force that belief that you have on other like that. Especially, if there is proof out of the words from the man who was behind the development.


Until someone askes him the RIGHT QUESTIONS so he can let EVERYONE know why

Husband had a Different name
Evans were in a NEW GHETTO

Then Good Times will not be a Spinoff in my opinion.

Until someone askes him the RIGHT QUESTIONS so he can let EVERYONE know why

Husband had a Different name
Evans were in a NEW GHETTO

Then Good Times will not be a Spinoff in my opinion.


You are more than welcome and entitled to keep that belief. But since proof has been given, you do realize that you cannot force that belief on others since there is video documented proof out of the horses mouth that it is a spinoff. You have to learn that it is the idea or relation that makes for a general spinoff. Solomon, there are so many other examples out there with other shows. I have given examples.

When proposing a spinoff or new show, a name can be changed along with a new location. IT HAPPENS! I study this in school. You cannot go by your own personal belief and make a ruling that something is the way it is just because you choose to look at it that way.

You are more than welcome and entitled to keep that belief. But since proof has been given, you do realize that you cannot force that belief on others since there is video documented proof out of the horses mouth that it is a spinoff. You have to learn that it is the idea or relation that makes for a general spinoff. Solomon, there are so many other examples out there with other shows. I have given examples.

When proposing a spinoff or new show, a name can be changed along with a new location. IT HAPPENS! I study this in school. You cannot go by your own personal belief and make a ruling that something is the way it is just because you choose to look at it that way.


You watched the Video, if all he said was GT was a spinoff because of Florida Evans then that Interview is a Waste of Eye Sight-lol

Solomon. LOL. Poor thing. You want to hold on to something that is a lost cause. I'll give it to you, you're very determined, however, you are just wasting your time on this one.

You watched the Video, if all he said was GT was a spinoff because of Florida Evans then that Interview is a Waste of Eye Sight-lol

Do I smell denial in the air :lol:

He said that John and Esther were great together and he decided to spin her off onto her own show.

Do I smell denial in the air :lol:




I smell lysol disinfectant fresh denial.:lol:

Do I smell denial in the air :lol:

He said that John and Esther were great together and he decided to spin her off onto her own show.


Are you sure he didn't say he GAVE the their own show instead of Spinning them off? Kind of like how Jason Bateman was TAKEN off Silver Spoons and GIVEN his own show that had nothing to do with Silver Spoons

Are you sure he didn't say he GAVE the their own show instead of Spinning them off? Kind of like how Jason Bateman was TAKEN off Silver Spoons and GIVEN his own show that had nothing to do with Silver Spoons

Bless your heart. :lol: :lol: :lol: I think you have come to the realization that it is a spinoff.

Bless your heart. :lol: :lol: :lol: I think you have come to the realization that it is a spinoff.


I never seen you this active on SitcomsOnline-lol

I used to post heavily before you joined back in 2002. For the first two years, I posted on the "Facts Of Life" board heavily. I have some free time on my hands. I normally work a lot along with school.

Are you sure he didn't say he GAVE the their own show instead of Spinning them off? Kind of like how Jason Bateman was TAKEN off Silver Spoons and GIVEN his own show that had nothing to do with Silver Spoons


I know for sure he said that GT was a spin off :lol: :lol: :lol:

I cant believe this is STILL going on......Solomon, what thrill do you get out of proving yourself to be wrong? :lol:

I cant believe this is STILL going on......Solomon, what thrill do you get out of proving yourself to be wrong? :lol:


It has always been shocking to me that several people can't see that there is no connection between Maude and Good Times. If a show has one inconsistency then that;s ok, but when it's gets to be 6 or 7 Inconsistencies that should let everyone that it's no connection. Well atleast I have these people on my side

Irene
Trishalla
Janice-"oh that's right she did me wrong-lol

I think when the developer tells you that it is a spinoff, you should conisder throwing in the towel. LOL. LOL. LOL.
BTW, how is Irene on your side?

I think when the developer tells you that it is a spinoff, you should conisder throwing in the towel. LOL. LOL. LOL.
BTW, how is Irene on your side?


She started supporting me when she found the Interview by Eric Monte

I read that thing last year. It was good but it still did not change my POV. God love you Solomon. Tee Hee Hee.

Solomon, I gave you your props when I DEFENDED you in saying you had a lot of facts and a strong case in your belief that GT was not a spinoff. For 4 years you gave it your all.

That was then, now, I am beginning to lose respect for you. This is a debate that you lost. Instead of being a man and admitting you were wrong, you continue to fight despite the overwhelming evidence that supports that it is a spinoff.

You now remind me of a once great heavyweight boxer who instead of retiring with grace and dignity, continues to fight. It doesn't make make you look great, it makes you look pathetic. I am very disappointed in you Solomon. You your self said that once Norman Lear speaks on this issue, you will bow down. Janice provides the evidence and ALL OF A SUDDEN, change your mind and Norman Lear, who owns the show and developed it, is no longer credible. Sad, sad, sad.

PS,

Stop jumping on Janice because she provided the knock out blow. She had doubts and provided the info. It just makes you look more wrong because you are upset that she didn't withhold that information. You look worse because you said Norman Lear had the final word, then because you don't want to look bad, go back on your word.

PSS,

Stop recruiting people to your side. Trishalla can't defend you anymore and I have my doubts that Irene is on your side.

Solomon, I gave you your props when I DEFENDED you in saying you had a lot of facts and a strong case in your belief that GT was not a spinoff. For 4 years you gave it your all.

That was then, now, I am beginning to lose respect for you. This is a debate that you lost. Instead of being a man and admitting you were wrong, you continue to fight despite the overwhelming evidence that supports that it is a spinoff.

You now remind me of a once great heavyweight boxer who instead of retiring with grace and dignity, continues to fight. It doesn't make make you look great, it makes you look pathetic. I am very disappointed in you Solomon. You your self said that once Norman Lear speaks on this issue, you will bow down. Janice provides the evidence and ALL OF A SUDDEN, change your mind and Norman Lear, who owns the show and developed it, is no longer credible. Sad, sad, sad.

PS,

Stop jumping on Janice because she provided the knock out blow. She had doubts and provided the info. It just makes you look more wrong because you are upset that she didn't withhold that information. You look worse because you said Norman Lear had the final word, then because you don't want to look bad, go back on your word.

PSS,

Stop recruiting people to your side. Trishalla can't defend you anymore and I have my doubts that Irene is on your side.



I told Janice if we was really cool she would have let you or Brieanna find that Norman Lear Interview instead of posting it.-lol

You have ruined our happy home, Solomon!

Love don't live here no more!

A Sitcom House is not a home!

The debate is OVER!

To put it in sitcom terms, this debate has jumped the shark.

To put it in sitcom terms, this debate has jumped the shark.

and then some....

I told Janice if we was really cool she would have let you or Brieanna find that Norman Lear Interview instead of posting it.-lol
If the interview proves nothing, as you claim, what difference does it make who posted it?

If the interview proves nothing, as you claim, what difference does it make who posted it?


I would like a VHS copy of that Interview so I can analyze it-lol

Sorry, bro. What is there left to analyze? It's over. The king has left the building...he left like last week. LOL.

Deep down, Solomon knows he lost this battle. I just wish he was man enough to admit it.

OMG
Are you guys still on this!!!!
I think many of you need to come to terms with the fact that We will never really know if it is a Spin off or not because, the connection of the spin off is not clear.

After thinking about it, Lear really had nothing to do whether it was a spinoff or not, he just gave Esther Rolle an opportunity to star in a new black comedy. So what Lear says really doesn;t matter unless he can explained

1. Why James was no longer a fireman
2.Why the Evans were no longer in Harlem
3. Why Florida's husband name was James instead of Henry


Alan manings, supports my argument and that's pretty much the end

And to top it off
Why didn't Maude get mentioned in Good Times
The only reference we have that may even be close is when Floridia says she use to be a made she never said she was a maid in NY for Maude!

OMG
Are you guys still on this!!!!
I think many of you need to come to terms with the fact that We will never really know if it is a Spin off or not because, the connection of the spin off is not clear.
Norman Lear stating that it's a spinoff on videotape doesn't end the debate with you?

For Heaven's sake Solomon, Norman Lear states on that video that Florida Evans and her husband were spun off into Good Times.

Manning was a producer, big deal. They're a dime a dozen. Monte wrote Good Times. He had nothing to do how the show was cast or that Lear developed Good Times by spinning off characters from another show.

It also wouldn't matter if Good Times was written in the 50s.

You're starting to sound foolish Solomon. No offense.

The man has spoken. Norman Lear said Good Times is a spinoff, and he's the one who developed the show.
Oh Brother!
You just said that Florida Evans and Her Husband were spun off into GT
You Just Proved the Point of why it's not a direct Spin Off, Because, Lear Spun off the Characters not the story line or plot from Maude.

Thats why I have always said
I can buy that they spun off the characters ( and in this case the only true character spin off is Florida, Because name Henry is used in the 3rd season of GT for James Father and I know that Florida was not married to James dad,) but a direct spin off, I can't really say yea or nay

But as a final word I will say this

The only thing I will ever agree on in this debate is that Lear spun off the Character Florida Evans, thats it.

Now if you want to base GT being a direct spin off from Maude be my guest.

Norman Lear stating that it's a spinoff on videotape doesn't end the debate with you?
No its doesn't

Because with AITF, he spinned off Maude and Jefferson's
With a CLear connection

why would he not do that for GT

Just Like I said
I can buy the Character spun off
but direct spin off I can't really say yea or nay

I know before I have said its not a Spin off
But I have come to the conculsion that I can't really say yea or nay

Because there are facts that don't match up

and for me I need more than, that Fact that Florida in Maude and Florida in GT is a direct connection.
Because than, its a spin off of a character
not a show

Give it up. Your argument has taken on so much water, that's it's at the bottom of the river. :lol:

NORMAN LEAR STATED THAT IT'S A SPINOFF.

You're looking foolish even keeping it going. Even Solomon had the good sense to throw in the towel.

The only thing I will ever agree on in this debate is that Lear spun off the Character Florida Evans, thats it.


That's all it takes! Thank you for FINALLY coming to your senses. Good Times IS a spinoff. :lol:

That's all it takes! Thank you for FINALLY coming to your senses. Good Times IS a spinoff. :lol:
I love the smell of victory in the morning. :lol:

Not only did Lear state that he spun off Florida (as Trishalla herself admits), he stated that Florida's husband was spun off as well.

As for the name change, location, etc, nothing more than inconsistencies that we see all the time on other shows.

I love the smell of victory in the morning. :lol:

Not only did Lear state that he spun off Florida (as Trishalla herself admits), he stated that Florida's husband was spun off as well.

As for the name change, location, etc, nothing more than inconsistencies that we see all the time on other shows.

Trishalla no longer has a leg to stand on. :lol:

I love the smell of victory in the morning. :lol:

Not only did Lear state that he spun off Florida (as Trishalla herself admits), he stated that Florida's husband was spun off as well.

As for the name change, location, etc, nothing more than inconsistencies that we see all the time on other shows.


It does smell sweet, doesn't it? :lol: :lol:

I love the smell of victory in the morning. :lol:

Not only did Lear state that he spun off Florida (as Trishalla herself admits), he stated that Florida's husband was spun off as well.

As for the name change, location, etc, nothing more than inconsistencies that we see all the time on other shows.
LISTEN OK

I said that I agree that he spinned of the Character Florida Evans thats it
I have always agreed with that

But its not a direct spin off

Because why would Lear Spin off The Jefferson's and Maude with a clear connection and not GT

LISTEN AGAIN
What I'm saying is that I don't know if it is a direct spin off

I understand Many of you on this board decide a spin off by if the Actors are playing the same character in which it has spinned from.

And Not by if it is the Same story line, and characters that Match up with show that it is spinning off from and there is a direct connection.

I will say it again, why would Lear Spin off The Jefferson's and Maude with a clear connection to AITF and not do the same for GT !

Thats all I'm saying, you don't have to like it, or agree with it.

Lear, is has perfectly Linked The Jefferson's and Maude to AITF
Why not GT
Does anyone on this board who is making rules for what a spin off is or is not have a answer for that.

LISTEN OK

I said that I agree that he spinned of the Character Florida Evans thats it
I have always agreed with that

But its not a direct spin off

Because why would Lear Spin off The Jefferson's and Maude with a clear connection and not GT

LISTEN AGAIN
What I'm saying is that I don't know if it is a direct spin off

I understand Many of you on this board decide a spin off by if the Actors are playing the same character in which it has spinned from.

And Not by if it is the Same story line, and characters that Match up with show that it is spinning off from and there is a direct connection.

I will say it again, why would Lear Spin off The Jefferson's and Maude with a clear connection to AITF and not do the same for GT !

Thats all I'm saying, you don't have to like it, or agree with it.

Lear, is has perfectly Linked The Jefferson's and Maude to AITF
Why not GT
Does anyone on this board who is making rules for what a spin off is or is not have a answer for that.


Did you even watch the video that Janice provided???

LISTEN OK

I said that I agree that he spinned of the Character Florida Evans thats it
I have always agreed with that

But its not a direct spin off

Because why would Lear Spin off The Jefferson's and Maude with a clear connection and not GT

LISTEN AGAIN
What I'm saying is that I don't know if it is a direct spin off

I understand Many of you on this board decide a spin off by if the Actors are playing the same character in which it has spinned from.

And Not by if it is the Same story line, and characters that Match up with show that it is spinning off from and there is a direct connection.

I will say it again, why would Lear Spin off The Jefferson's and Maude with a clear connection to AITF and not do the same for GT !

Thats all I'm saying, you don't have to like it, or agree with it.

Lear, is has perfectly Linked The Jefferson's and Maude to AITF
Why not GT
Does anyone on this board who is making rules for what a spin off is or is not have a answer for that.

Sorry Trishalla, but you are talking in circles. If you agree that Florida Evans is the same character from Maude on Good Times, then it is a spinoff. Directly or indirectly, that is what it is.

You guys will say anything and make up anything to be right
if your so right answer my question

If it is such a direct spin off why is there not a direct connection to Maude

Just answer it

and I can decide if I want to agree or disagree but , no one has answered that question and until you do or you find some who can, than I will be ok

you are talking in circles because all of you come up with the same tired excuses of why GT is a spin off without using facts from GT or Maude.

Just answer the question then I will leave it alone
if not I will keep asking

Because I want to know if Lear (who is good at spinning off shows with a direct clear connection) Why would he not do it for GT

You don't have to get mean or rude just answer the question
if you can't answer it thats fine
Just say you don't know or you don't know why Lear didn't make a clear connection.

It does not make you less of a person or change your opinion of on this subject

See this is what I'm talking about
You guys don't listen, and you refuse to answer the question
Believe what you want
Finally I will say this
Spinning off the Charactor Florida yes
Direct Spin off, I don't know, because the story line between Maude and GT just don't Match up
Sorry, call names, call me dumb, call dumb, whatever, but thats it for me because no one has come up with an answer.
I feel have been mostly fair on debating this issue with explaining my opinion on this issue and have read every post. and I have Listened to what people have to say, but guess so people on this board want to right so bad they don't want to listen so thats it
Peace

See this is what I'm talking about
You guys don't listen, and you refuse to answer the question
Believe what you want
Finally I will say this
Spinning off the Charactor Florida yes
Direct Spin off, I don't know, because the story line between Maude and GT just don't Match up
Sorry, call names, call me dumb, call dumb, whatever, but thats it for me because no one has come up with an answer.
I feel have been mostly fair on debating this issue with explaining my opinion on this issue and have read every post. and I have Listened to what people have to say, but guess so people on this board want to right so bad they don't want to listen so thats it
Peace

Watch the video and you will get the answers to your own questions.

LISTEN OK

I said that I agree that he spinned of the Character Florida Evans thats it
I have always agreed with that

But its not a direct spin off

Because why would Lear Spin off The Jefferson's and Maude with a clear connection and not GT

LISTEN AGAIN
What I'm saying is that I don't know if it is a direct spin off

I understand Many of you on this board decide a spin off by if the Actors are playing the same character in which it has spinned from.

And Not by if it is the Same story line, and characters that Match up with show that it is spinning off from and there is a direct connection.

I will say it again, why would Lear Spin off The Jefferson's and Maude with a clear connection to AITF and not do the same for GT !

Thats all I'm saying, you don't have to like it, or agree with it.

Lear, is has perfectly Linked The Jefferson's and Maude to AITF
Why not GT
Does anyone on this board who is making rules for what a spin off is or is not have a answer for that.



The point I was making, Why was there a PILOT ep for Maude and the Jeffersons and not GOOD TIMES. That's what someone needs to ask Lear so he can say-"You know, I guess you are right, "it's not a spinoff"

Watch the video and you will get the answers to your own questions.


So If I watch the video, Lear will explain why it was no PILOT ep for Good Times?

So If I watch the video, Lear will explain why it was no PILOT ep for Good Times?


Why should that matter, A pilot is just a sample of what the show will be about.

Why should that matter, A pilot is just a sample of what the show will be about.


Well if he doesn't explain why it's no pilot ep then the Interview will be a waste of my and Trishalla's EYESIGHT

Well if he doesn't explain why it's no pilot ep then the Interview will be a waste of my and Trishalla's EYESIGHT


You haven't watch it anyway, so why even comment on something you haven't seen.

You haven't watch it anyway, so why even comment on something you haven't seen.


I will watch it he explains why there wasn't a SET UP ep for Good Times like Maude and the Jeffersons

Well if he doesn't explain why it's no pilot ep then the Interview will be a waste of my and Trishalla's EYESIGHT

Who cares if it is a waste of your time in your eye sight. The real owner of this show says it is a spinoff and nothing you do or say at this point matters. It doesn't have to be a direct spinoff, to be a spinoff. If Florida was spunoff which you now admit she was, then that is a spinoff.

Answering the question that is asked by you and Trishalla is moot. It doesn't matter, when he said it was a spinoff. Sorry if you are not satisfied with that answer, but I guess you guys just have to deal with it.

Who cares if it is a waste of your time in your eye sight. The real owner of this show says it is a spinoff and nothing you do or say at this point matters. It doesn't have to be a direct spinoff, to be a spinoff. If Florida was spunoff which you now admit she was, then that is a spinoff.

Answering the question that is asked by you and Trishalla is moot. It doesn't matter, when he said it was a spinoff. Sorry if you are not satisfied with that answer, but I guess you guys just have to deal with it.


If He is not saying WHY it's a spinoff then I would rather watch GILMORE GIRLS-LOL

I will watch it he explains why there wasn't a SET UP ep for Good Times like Maude and the Jeffersons


You can't watch it anyway, so what's your point :lol:

If He is not saying WHY it's a spinoff then I would rather watch GILMORE GIRLS-LOL


He states WHY it's s spinoff, if you watched it you would have known that already.

I captured a Sherwood Schwartz interview from Google Video and was able to make a DVD of it. I will try to get this one. I deleted the software and it had a watermark of the software logo on it but I will try to get a hold of it for you so you can see it.

He states WHY it's s spinoff, if you watched it you would have known that already.



But you said he never says why it's no pilot. That's what I really would like to know

If He is not saying WHY it's a spinoff then I would rather watch GILMORE GIRLS-LOL

You yourself said when Norman Lear speaks, you would end your debate. YOU LIED! LOL You just can't accept the fact that you are wrong. LOL

But you said he never says why it's no pilot. That's what I really would like to know


You said that if he didn't state why it was a spinoff then you don't want to watch it. And I said that he does states why it's a spinoff. You just don't want to accept his answer.

And with that I gotta go home.

You said that if he didn't state why it was a spinoff then you don't want to watch it. And I said that he does states why it's a spinoff. You just don't want to accept his answer.

And with that I gotta go home.


And from what u been saying all he said was the same ole thing-because of Florida. Not Good Enough and with that I'm going to watch the GAME-lol

You guys will say anything and make up anything to be right
if your so right answer my question
Nobody's making anything up. The Norman Lear interview says it all. Good Times was his show, and he said it's a spinoff of Maude.

If it is such a direct spin off why is there not a direct connection to Maude

Just answer it

Who knows. Perhaps Lear wanted to try something new. It doesn't matter anyway. The fact remains that it's a spinoff. Once Norman Lear declared that, all bets were off.

Because I want to know if Lear (who is good at spinning off shows with a direct clear connection) Why would he not do it for GT
I'd bet that if someone found an interview with Lear explaining his reasons, you'd come up with something else. Moving the goal posts. That's what you and Solomon do.
You don't have to get mean or rude just answer the question

That's rich, when only a couple of weeks ago, you insulted Brian Damage. Nobody's calling you any names.

It does not make you less of a person or change your opinion of on this subject
Take your own advice. It's over. We found the smoking gun. You should just admit you were wrong. But, you won't.

Well, one of you said that you wondered what Trishalla would say and you got your answer. I am here to say that I am now siding with Solomon and Trishalla on this debate Good Times is NOT a Maude Spinoff. Sorry to you Brain, Brie, Janice and Irene. I agree with them. It does not matter that the owner said that it was a spinoff. What does he know about creating TV?
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Well, one of you said that you wondered what Trishalla would say and you got your answer. I am here to say that I am now siding with Solomon and Trishalla on this debate Good Times is NOT a Maude Spinoff. Sorry to you Brain, Brie, Janice and Irene. I agree with them. It does not matter that the owner said that it was a spinoff. What does he know about creating TV?
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There. I have had my laugh for tonight! LOL.

You scared me for a second. :lol:

You scared me for a second. :lol:

I got you good, didn't I? :lol: :lol:

It is like Geico from the commercial. Saying Good Times is not a spinoff is like saying that people want free pie and chips. LOL.

Well, one of you said that you wondered what Trishalla would say and you got your answer. I am here to say that I am now siding with Solomon and Trishalla on this debate Good Times is NOT a Maude Spinoff. Sorry to you Brain, Brie, Janice and Irene. I agree with them. It does not matter that the owner said that it was a spinoff. What does he know about creating TV?
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There. I have had my laugh for tonight! LOL. I could not keep a straight face while writing this.


:lol: That was good :lol: