Here is a very interesting article published just this week. It looks like they could be closing in on Jule Caylor.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/local/crime_courts/14522727.htm

You're right crystaldawn, the article is interesting.

But I"m still shaking my head that three women would find him attractive enough to marry.

I am speechless...and for a speech professor that takes some doing.

jeeps

I am speechless...and for a speech professor that takes some doing.

jeeps

You speechless.....never! :lol:

Yes I certainly don't see any charm in him, came across like a total jerk in the interview. I wonder if the ongoing investigation is worrying him, hope so.

This won't be popular but I kind of liked the guy during the UM segment, probably because of the "Life is pretty good right now..." or whatever it was, with the weird expression, slow delivery and contented tone. I laugh out loud every time I see it. Kind of reminds me of that segment on another true crime case where the husband wants to finish his spaghetti dinner before being led away, after they discover the wife's body in the basement.

I'm sure he's guilty. You wonder why UM didn't provide an update after that letter was received shortly after the case aired. In contrast to that vague letter claiming the abduction of the little girl in the '80s, this letter has plenty of specifics to make me lean toward legit: tire iron. Garage. Early morning. Diagram of the garage including area of blood stains. Concord.

Remember, I'm on a collossal roll after correctly predicting that potential grave site wouldn't be Jodi Huisentruit.

I honestly never expected any sort of update on this case. I remember watching it, perhaps a year ago or more, and feeling sad that it was such an old, old case with no apparent new information. I'll be watching this with a great deal of interest.

Oh, and I totally remember that spaghetti guy - Cold Case Files, maybe? Funny comparison, Awsi.

Too bad that Jule guy had to go the bad way. He could have been a great actor in the upcoming Hobbit movie. :lol: Things are looking pretty good for him now, huh? :)

Great find by the way, crystaldawn.

You speechless.....never! :lol:



Well, okay...maybe for a few seconds...but for me that qualifies as speechless.

jeeps

Ho yeah, that dude is guiltier than sin. And a huge egomaniac, if I can play armchair psychologist ... if life with Dottie was "pure hell" as he put it, and "Life is pretty good" without her ... if he didn't care if he ever saw her again and felt that she just "got in with the wrong crowd" then ... then why in the world get on Unsolved Mysteries and try to show off by demonstrating your ... very ... slow ... talking ... skills and your VERY ERRatic vo cal me ter ... what a loser with a loser name.

You know I think JS even told me that Jule's lawyer was sitting next to him during the interview and wasn't happy when Jule made that crack about life being pretty good since his wife was gone but I think Jule wanted it left in. Maybe if JS reads this he can elaborate more on the article he read because my memory about it is vague.

I didn't want to mention this but crystaldawn mentioned to me over email that Jule Caylor is her secret "dream man". Knowing that some UM personalities sometimes visit this board I'm sure she's just playing hard to get as to not draw his attention.

Btw: that information you mentioned about Caylor's lawyer actually comes from the "Bizarre Murders" dvd of all places. While they didn't profile the case the producers did mention it during commentary for another segment - I think "Backyard Bones", if you turn the commentary on for that segment you'll hear them talk a little bit about Jule Caylor.

I didn't want to mention this but crystaldawn mentioned to me over email that Jule Caylor is her secret "dream man". Knowing that some UM personalities sometimes visit this board I'm sure she's just playing hard to get as to not draw his attention.



You promised you'd never tell!! I'll still keep your secret though that you are the real Dark Dante, Kevin Poulson. :p

Thanks for clearing up where that info originated from about him aggravating his lawyer. I don't have the BM set so I must have heard it from someone who does.

Honestly, I believe that Jule had something to do with Dotties disappearance. Let's just look at this from a different point of view for a minute. It would not have been difficult for Dottie to leave on her own. Everyone points out her agoraphobia, but let's not forget she was taking classes that were helping her get back out into the world. She opened up a bank account and p.o. box. She COULD have willingly left to get on that BART train, and acted out her plan to leave for good.

I wonder how she ever developed her agoraphobia?

Honestly, I believe that Jule had something to do with Dotties disappearance.

Although he maintained his innocence, something struck me as odd, by the way he carried himself.

He mentioned something along the line as, "Living with her was hell. Now everything's all good."

What was that supposed to mean? Could that have meant he finally disposed of her, now he's living the good life?

Just a thought. I could be wrong, tho.

I agree with you, greatgarrett2, it was kind of odd when he mentioned "Living with her was hell. Everything's all good now." I'm not sure if it necessarily hurt his cause any, but it probably didn't help either.

I'm not sure if you guys have read the actual letter sent to the police years ago about Dottie but I just read it and its shocking! It seems very apparent that the author is Jule himself or someone that was at the murder and helped dispose of her body. The specific details given are amazing!! The question is why in the world would Jule write a letter giving so many facts if he wanted to keep his freedom. Unless all the details given were incorrect and he wanted to throw the police off. Here is a direct link to the letter, map and affidavit in case anyone's interested:

http://www.contracostatimes.com/multimedia/contracostatimes/cctimes/dottie_letter.pdf

Is it just me or does Jule look like he suffered from a botched eye lift or what? What was with that guys eyes and face? It was like he had the permenant suprised look on his eyes....he is totally guilty

Just saw this case now... I must say, I thought that if he had the mindset to say "life is pretty good," then he probably wouldn't have killed her. I think that's actually too much of a giveaway.

Seeing as how the marriage obviously wasn't a happy one, I was sure he would be happier without her, despite the fact that she was a missing person.

But after reading that letter... I guess he probably did it.

I remember seeing this story and he gave me the creeps. He sure did have a lot to lose with a divorce, half the house, alimony, etc.she disappears and he just happens to call in sick during this period and put in new carpeting and re-paint. I hope they get this guy if he did it (or is he just callous). I wonder if they searched the 30 acres of undeveloped land in Oregon that he owned. Not that far of a drive from San Fran. to Oregon.

db

ps I wonder how the dog died?

Can you believe he has a new girlfriend and wants to put her name as a beneficiary on his retirement account? Is love really blind? Hasn't she heard about this case?

Can you believe he has a new girlfriend and wants to put her name as a beneficiary on his retirement account? Is love really blind? Hasn't she heard about this case?

I think when you're in love, you can easily be manipulated and give the benefit of the doubt.

I think Jule Caylor is guilty. I think it is possible he wanted to murder for a long time, and when he found out about Dottie's desire to venture out on her own, he figured to himself that it was time becuase he could try to make it seem she left him for this new life.

There was one other case on UM where it is possible that somebody tried to make it seem like their partner left them. I can't remember any names, but I think it aired in 1995 and the murder occured in 1994. It was about this mother of 2 sons (age 19 and 24 I believe) in Massachussetts who would have an on again/off again relationship with this guy, who she accused of occasionally beating her. She finally ended the relationship with the guy for good, only to disappear the next day. Her body was found in 1996. Her car was found at an airport and it was speculated that the boyfriend intentionally left it there (probably to make it seem that she had flown off somewhere.) I can't remember the names though, can anyone recall them or have any thoughts on it?

my parents actually met jule and dottie before this happening, saying that jule was a strange man. glad he doesnt live in my area anymore.

Well Jule, personally I think he did it. Yes he did say "life is pretty good" however he just comes off to me as really cocky. Jule just comes off to me like that, like he is so cocky and he thinks that he is so smart that no one can get to him. Jule at the time of the interview was probably thinking he had everyone fooled and that it really didnt matter how he acted because in his mind he probably as I said thought he had everyone fooled into believing his story that Dottie left to start a new life or that he was thinking no one would ever find her body so it didnt matter what he said. He probably thought without a body he would never be charged. Personally I think if her body is ever found I would expect Jule Caylor to be probably be arrested shortly thereafter.

I remember seeing this story and he gave me the creeps. He sure did have a lot to lose with a divorce, half the house, alimony, etc.she disappears and he just happens to call in sick during this period and put in new carpeting and re-paint. I hope they get this guy if he did it (or is he just callous). I wonder if they searched the 30 acres of undeveloped land in Oregon that he owned. Not that far of a drive from San Fran. to Oregon.

db

ps I wonder how the dog died?

Can you believe he has a new girlfriend and wants to put her name as a beneficiary on his retirement account? Is love really blind? Hasn't she heard about this case?
Plus from reading the article about things the poice found, it sounds like Dottie had some pretty good dirt on Jule. I think Jule got scared that Dottie would expose him. Because I don't see him killing her just because she decided to leave him. I think Dottie must have had something pretty BIG on Jule and was going to put it out there when she left him.

There was one other case on UM where it is possible that somebody tried to make it seem like their partner left them. I can't remember any names, but I think it aired in 1995 and the murder occured in 1994. It was about this mother of 2 sons (age 19 and 24 I believe) in Massachussetts who would have an on again/off again relationship with this guy, who she accused of occasionally beating her. She finally ended the relationship with the guy for good, only to disappear the next day. Her body was found in 1996. Her car was found at an airport and it was speculated that the boyfriend intentionally left it there (probably to make it seem that she had flown off somewhere.) I can't remember the names though, can anyone recall them or have any thoughts on it?

The name of the woman was Susan Harrison. Her sons are very convinced that the boyfriend did it. Such a sad case. I don't know if anyone has been convicted of her murder.

The name of the woman was Susan Harrison. Her sons are very convinced that the boyfriend did it. Such a sad case. I don't know if anyone has been convicted of her murder.

Nope, no one has been convicted of the murder. I saw/recorded this off of lifetime a little while ago, and the only update it had was one of those pseudo-updates just to inform us that the body was found.

Well this is just another example of the cops knowing the person that did it but having a DA that will not press charges because they are afraid the person would get acquitted. In the case of Dottie Caylor I think if her body were to be found I think Jule Caylor would be arrested within hours of that. Jule must be at least in his late 50's by now maybe even in his early 60's. There are other ones too like Paul Pollis, Chad Noe, Mark Nichols and others where if the body were found I bet all of them would be arrested shortly after the body was found and charged with murder. In all of these cases all of these states have the death penalty. Nichols might luck out becuase he might not have planned to murder his wife but I think Pollis, Noe and Caylor all had planned it out so they would all most likely get murder-1. However it surprises me they couldnt get a murder conviction on any of these guys. I have seen people get convicted of murder with less than what the authorities have on Jule Caylor, Paul Pollis, Chad Noe and Mark Nichols.

Hey i just watched this segment so i did a search and found this topic. Its pretty obvious jule did it, but I tried to click the links to the "articles' and the "letter" but file not found on all of them, does anyone know where I can locate these letters online now? They sound interesting, thanks.

Hey i just watched this segment so i did a search and found this topic. Its pretty obvious jule did it, but I tried to click the links to the "articles' and the "letter" but file not found on all of them, does anyone know where I can locate these letters online now? They sound interesting, thanks.

I have the file you are looking for. If you want to respond with your email address I will email it to you. I tried attaching it to the post twice but I suspect the file size is too large as it was rejected each time.

hey, my email is Jeffro00j@sbcglobal.net if you could send that Id much appreciate it, thanks.

Well I think Jule Caylor is probably guilty. I think they should take the risky gamble of trying the guy without the body and see what happens, they still might get a conviction. I do think if her body was ever found that Jule would be arrested within hours and charged with first degree murder. Although in California it isnt uncommon for a guy to be convicted of 2nd degree instead of first. They gotta get moving on Jule he is around 70 now and is living out his golden years.

^ Yeah but kadrmas15, without Dottie's body to prove she is dead even if they do get a conviction against Jule based on the strong circumstancial evidence - he is going to have the perfect case to be overturned on appeal.

Without a body, Jule is either going to get the case kicked first time out or get the verdict overturned later on down the line.

I dont know DD just because there isnt a body doesnt mean Caylor would either get acquitted or get out of prison on appeal if he did get convicted. I think it would be hard to prove Caylor's guilt without the body but not impossible. However the odds of Caylor being prosecuted without the body is small. However the neighbors in this case, I remember reading in an article found what was probably the murder weapon with dried blood on it. I think they could make a case off that, it would be far from a sure thing but it would be better than nothing. However this is California we are talking about, the same state where O.J. and Robert Blake and probably soon to be Phil Spector will be acquitted and where Danny White who killed San Francisco mayor George Moscone and City Supervisor Harvey Milk was acquitted of murder charges and instead was convicted of the much lesser offense of Voluntary manslaughter after he floated the now infamous "twinkie defense" where he claimed because he had been eating a large amount of junk food in the weeks and months before the murders that it screwed up his brain chemistry and he wasnt thinking straight. Sorry for getting off subject but I dont think it would be impossible for Caylor to get convicted and put in prison and stay there. However you are right, you never know what a jury will do, there have been cases where they have bodies and even forensic evidence and the guy still gets acquitted.

That Contra Costa Times does many interesting articles but their policies are a royal pain in the arse. The articles plunk into the archives within days then they charge for each one. Same thing happens in the EAR-ONS case, which the paper has covered heavily.

Here's one site where someone pasted the CCT articles from their multi part look into this case in 2004:

http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=550

Some of the more recent articles, but not the one crystaldawn posted to begin this thread, are pasted on this websleuths thread:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32835

Maybe it's just me, but I find that Jules Taylor didnt seem like he was a bright man by any stretch of the imagination. I don't know, just thinking and all. Then again, Paul Pollis looked to be like just a dumb redneck and there's little doubt he killed his wife.

Just a thought, but Dottie Caylor had a lot of mental issues by the looks of it and who's to say she just didnt want to leave for good? That would explain why Jules isnt too concerned about her, I mean he had an unhappy marriage and by that point I think your life is better off without that person. I've been there with someone that was suicidal, depressive, erratic etc. and to be honest even after all these years of breaking up with her it isnt that I wish any ill will on her but I have no interest in wondering how she is doing. That happens in bad relationships.

Besides how dumb do you have to be to say "Life is good without Dottie" when you are the prime suspect? Either Jules is a genius and he has us all fooled or he's innocent. I like to point to the case of Gail Delano. She ended her life with two boys and two loving parents. She was selfish in my mind. But didnt care. Why isnt it possible someone with Dottie's mental illness did the same thing. When a person is in deep depression you just simply don't care about others.

Just a thought, but Dottie Caylor had a lot of mental issues by the looks of it and who's to say she just didnt want to leave for good? That would explain why Jules isnt too concerned about her, I mean he had an unhappy marriage and by that point I think your life is better off without that person. I've been there with someone that was suicidal, depressive, erratic etc. and to be honest even after all these years of breaking up with her it isnt that I wish any ill will on her but I have no interest in wondering how she is doing. That happens in bad relationships.

I agree with you. In fact, this is one of the reasons I go back and fourth on he issue of Jule's innocence. I too have been in a relationship with someone who suffered from severe depression, PTSD, and possibly some other issues. Our time together was like a roller coaster and I bailed out because I was young, naive, and couldn't deal with it all. My feelings about her now are similar to yours. I don't wish her any ill will, but I could care less about how she is today. If she disappeared suddenly after our breakup, I don't imagine I'd be spearheading search parties. I'd move on with my life and "things would be good".

Probably a stupid reason to believe in his innocence, but that's my take anyway. Ask me tomorrow and I'll probably tell you he killed his wife.

I agree with you. In fact, this is one of the reasons I go back and fourth on he issue of Jule's innocence. I too have been in a relationship with someone who suffered from severe depression, PTSD, and possibly some other issues. Our time together was like a roller coaster and I bailed out because I was young, naive, and couldn't deal with it all. My feelings about her now are similar to yours. I don't wish her any ill will, but I could care less about how she is today. If she disappeared suddenly after our breakup, I don't imagine I'd be spearheading search parties. I'd move on with my life and "things would be good".

Probably a stupid reason to believe in his innocence, but that's my take anyway. Ask me tomorrow and I'll probably tell you he killed his wife.

I initially believed Jule was the culprit, and now I've come to the conclusion that I really don't think he had anything to do with it at all. It's hard to explain why, really, but more or less it's for reasons you and Clockworkhigh mention, as well as Jule's entire demeanor throughout the interview. I figure he's either a very honest or very stupid man to have said the things that he did in that infamous taped exchange.

I agree with you. In fact, this is one of the reasons I go back and fourth on he issue of Jule's innocence. I too have been in a relationship with someone who suffered from severe depression, PTSD, and possibly some other issues. Our time together was like a roller coaster and I bailed out because I was young, naive, and couldn't deal with it all. My feelings about her now are similar to yours. I don't wish her any ill will, but I could care less about how she is today. If she disappeared suddenly after our breakup, I don't imagine I'd be spearheading search parties. I'd move on with my life and "things would be good".

Probably a stupid reason to believe in his innocence, but that's my take anyway. Ask me tomorrow and I'll probably tell you he killed his wife.

Yes I have been there, and the words "rollercoaster" might be the best way to express my feelings then too. The last girlfriend I had before I met my wife was just like Dottie in many ways by the sounds of it. It is very possible that Jule spent all of his time focused on HER needs because that simply is what happens to those people.

Now this isnt a reason to claim he's innocent or guilty either way, but I can understand the shrugged shoulders he has about her disappearance, there just didnt seem to be anything left in the tank between the two of them and you can easily get emotionally drained being with someone like that. Which is why I didnt raise an eyebrow to his attitude about her being gone.

If she joined this women's group, opened up a new account, it is possible she just flat out left on her own to start a new life. Heck if Alex Cooper was prepared to leave a perfectly NORMAL family just to avoid exposing his secrets why is it hard to believe Dottie, with her mental illness, wouldnt pursue a new life?

Another thing - where is the physical evidence? Is there any hardcore, physical proof that Jule murdered Dottie? I'm not aware of any, and I suspect that if there was, he would have been indicted long ago. We're still waiting for that to happen.

Another thing - where is the physical evidence? Is there any hardcore, physical proof that Jule murdered Dottie? I'm not aware of any, and I suspect that if there was, he would have been indicted long ago. We're still waiting for that to happen.

Since he most likely would have murdered her outside his home and dumped her body, it isn't surprising that there was no phsyical evidence. Especially if he killed her in a clean manner that didn't spill blood.

It's important to keep in mind that the only evidence we have is based on the words of the prime suspect in this case.

Is there any proof that Dottie ever was on the BART train, to begin with?

1. I find it too bizzare a coincidence that Dottie ran into a psycopath or rapist on her first trip. Where did she run into this guy anyway? Before she got on the train, while she was on the train?(being agoraphobic, I doubt she would trust a stranger) or after she got off?

2. I also don't believe that Dottie flipped out because of her agoraphobia. Too many people would have noticed that. She also would have instinctively gone home.

3. If Dottie wanted to run away, I don;t know that she would do that so quickly. I think she would want too wait and make sure she was more comfortable traveling by herself before attempting to lam it.

4. Being agoraphobic, I don't know how many people that dottie could have met or known during her time she was suffering from her illness. Who else would she have known that could be a POI?

Another thing - where is the physical evidence? Is there any hardcore, physical proof that Jule murdered Dottie? I'm not aware of any, and I suspect that if there was, he would have been indicted long ago. We're still waiting for that to happen.

Well there isnt really. Think of a guy like Paul Pollis. He was seen by a neighbour exhibiting suspicious behaviour. His family claims he wouldnt let them into a shed. He was never confirmed at the spottings in his alibi. Plus he cleaned the whole house with his parents just after his wife disappeared. That is suspicious to the point that you almost feel like convicting him right there. Would you care about your house being clean if your wife was missing? Heck, I'd have dishes piling up to the ying-yang!

So I didnt see this much with Jule. Maybe he needs a polygraph test, I don't know. I think that would tell a lot right there. But maybe he took one and passed I don't know. There's just no witnesses. Not even the family of Dottie came out and felt he was guilty. It reminds me of the Larry Race case. He was convicted on circumstantial evidence and nothing more really. That's what this case would smell like if they ever tried Jule. There's just nothing there, and the guy seemed to damn relaxed in his interview. Larry Gibson was cold in his interview, and you always felt like he was still hiding something. Jule was relaxed and stress free by the looks of it. Did Paul Pollis look relaxed in his intervieew? Nope

Too many highly improbable correlating variables to buy his story IMO. Truth be told, while there is no physical evidence I think that they could've adequately pieced together a very effective prosecution. I'd hazard that the local D.A. didn't feel like taking a swing and having a loss on their record without a STRONGER case, but this one is/was just screaming for deeper interrogation/investigation.

Prior physical altercations/abuse, a lady with agoraphobia going against type and up and leaving without notice TO ANYONE(a major gap in logic for Jule), membership to an abuse support group, the prospect of a costly, time consuming and bothersome divorce, a COMPLETELY aloof & unconcerned husband, no effort from spouse to file a missing persons case ASAP, spouse moves nearly immediately following disappearance(despite a concerned letter he left on her car), no alibi from spouse that we know of to give a timeline of that weekend AND no reasonable explaination offered from spouse for such a permanent disappearance aside from very BROAD presumptions given her state at the time.

Just damned hinky for days. Given his occupational history, there's a definative argument for the lack of a body and physical evidence.

Hey Laurier,

Is your Avatar from an story shown on Unsolved Mysteries?

That "Pervert" looks creepy! :eek:

Hey Laurier,

Is your Avatar from an story shown on Unsolved Mysteries?

That "Pervert" looks creepy! :eek:

LOL, no it's from an episode of the US version of "The Office".

Someone is flashed and the most overzealous person in the office, Dwight wants to crack down and catch the guy. They prank Dwight by making a sketch of the perp but it's simply really him without glasses and with a goatee. Dwight then goes around town posting wanted fliers of it, unbenounced to him that he's the guy in the sketch.

Prior physical altercations/abuse, a lady with agoraphobia going against type and up and leaving without notice TO ANYONE(a major gap in logic for Jule), membership to an abuse support group, the prospect of a costly, time consuming and bothersome divorce, a COMPLETELY aloof & unconcerned husband, no effort from spouse to file a missing persons case ASAP, spouse moves nearly immediately following disappearance(despite a concerned letter he left on her car), no alibi from spouse that we know of to give a timeline of that weekend AND no reasonable explaination offered from spouse for such a permanent disappearance aside from very BROAD presumptions given her state at the time.

when I first watched this case, Jule came off as pretty guilty. But with the passage of time, I've drifted towards middle of the road on this one. I don't know that I would take to the streets professing Jule's innocence, but I'm just not certain of his guilt anymore. To cover your points:

-There was one, solitary instance of a documented physical altercation. According to Jule, Dottie was hovering over him with a pair of scissors, threatening to kill him, so he hit her with her typing stand out of defense. Their neighbors said that they seemed like a peaceful couple that were frequently seen walking their dogs.

-was it a spousal abuse group? I do recall the segment saying that it was a support group of some kind, called "Women In Transition", but that was all I remember. The women in the group encouraged Dottie to lead a secret existence from Jule, and do everything in secret, which included Dottie having her own bank account and having her mail delivered to a P.O. Box. I can't imagine any husband being thrilled at the prospect of their wife leading a double life. I think that perhaps the women in the group encouraged Dottie to get over her agoraphobia, being that they obviously played a pivotal role in her life at that point.

-Jule stated that he was under the impression that Dottie was leaving for many days, possibly weeks. I'm not sure if he knew exactly when she was supposed to return. In the segment, Jule said "well after the first few days, I'd thought she had left to...well...make things inconvenient for me." This does happen in marriages, where a spouse will take off to spite the other. So I think with those things combined, that's why he initially wasn't concerned/didn't file a missing persons report.

-Jule had already had plans to move to Utah as his new job was there. So it wasn't a condition of Dottie went missing and Jule decided to move, rather Dottie happened to disappear while Jule already had plans to move.

-from all appearances, their divorce was pretty amicable. I think they were both pretty much done with each other at that point, and just wanted to get on with their lives. Dottie was going to take full ownership of the house, and had inheritance money to help, Jule was starting in a new state with a new job. They were going their separate ways. So I'm not sure what motive Jule had. It wasn't a case of Dottie wanting to leave him and Jule didn't want her to, I don't think.

-I can't remember if the segment said where he was, I was under the impression he was at work. I can tell you that, having moved twice and I'm sure most have had to move at some point in their lives, it's a very time-consuming process. I'm not sure he would have had the time to move her body to an area which, to this day, hasn't been found 27 years later, if he had to both work and prepare for a move. Plus, you have to remember that we don't know exactly when Dottie disappeared.

-I don't think Jule would have a burden to prove what happened to Dottie, unless he killed her. He could speculate, but who knows. Being that Dottie was living a secret existence from Jule already, I think it's entirely possible she went to start a new life somewhere and leave Jule with suspicion swirling around him.

Jule's blasse attitude about Dottie's disappearance is the one thing that makes me think there is a shred of a possibility that he's innocent. Other than that, all signs point to him. I just can't believe someone would be that cold and emotionless if their wife up and disappeared...unless they truely believed she left to start a new life.

So, they both knew that when he moved for work, she wouldn't be coming with him, because they were over...yet when she disappeared he left love notes on her car...? *boggle*

There's a lady on my Facebook friends list that looks almost like Dottie. I won't divulge her name but if you want me to show you a picture of her, message me.

I just rewatched this episode of UM, not remembering much of the details of the case I was unbiased to what actually happened. The second that he mentioned writing the love letters and leaving them on the car for her I knew in my heart he had some part in her disappearance. Especially 5 seconds later after learning he did not report her disappearance for 5 days. GEE, creating an alibi for yourself much?

I found the end scene with him feeding the puppies at his new residence and happy new life disturbing.

I really hope there is resolution to this case soon. It smacks of domestic violence in more ways than one.

I just rewatched this episode of UM, not remembering much of the details of the case I was unbiased to what actually happened. The second that he mentioned writing the love letters and leaving them on the car for her I knew in my heart he had some part in her disappearance. Especially 5 seconds later after learning he did not report her disappearance for 5 days. GEE, creating an alibi for yourself much?

Agreed. That just sounds like the most ridiculous thing ever. If I went missing and my partner found my car, he'd go to the police, not leave love notes on my windshield. Even my ex husband would go to the cops in the same situation.

I wonder how she ever developed her agoraphobia?

It's very easy for a woman to develop agoraphobia when her husband is controlling and abusive to her. Let's say during the begining of her marriage everytime she went out with friends or family she got home and her husband is angry with her. Accuses her of having affairs, maybe even hitting her. Soon she realizes that going outside will have a scary or negative effect on her life. So she stays in more and more to avoid harassment from her husband. It's just like a dog who's been beaten too much will shrink at the hand of humans. Soon, just going to the drug store has her stomach in knots, because she knows if she can't prove she was there, of if for some reason she gets delayed she will be in trouble with her husband.

I found the end scene with him feeding the puppies at his new residence and happy new life disturbing.

Yes, it was quite creepy how UM played this footage while Jule was talking about how good things are since Donnie left, implying that he cared a lot more about his dogs than his missing wife.

It's like the re-enactment where William Bradford Bishop has his dog next to him while he's burning the bodies of his entire family, which is so creepy on so many levels.

Soooo.....

After reading the background on this case from a few newspaper articles and the article describing the document the police submitted stating all the reasons why believe Jule is guilty or 'the main person of interest'....why haven't they charged him? He is 76 now and time is running out. There have been plenty of murder without a body convictions throughout the country. I think they have a strong circumstantial case even comparing it to other murder without a body cases. I think after 30 years its pretty easy to convince a jury she is deceased. I think the first few years after she disappeared the argument she went off without telling anyone to escape her husband might have been more believable but not 30 years later.

Between....
Jules ridiculous story
The crazy notes he left on her car.
Being engaged to another woman at the time.
Beating Dottie in 1981 so bad she went to the hospital.
The witnesses stating they were arguing about money the day before she disappeared.
Jule telling his fiancee sometime in June 1985 that he couldn't see her because tenants of his rental property had "killed an animal in the kitchen" and he had to clean it up (he had no rental property at the time)
Packing all Dottie's stuff up including her car as soon as she went missing Calling a rental agent on June 7th to put the house up for rent (Dottie was going to live in the house)
His past of lying about his own identity and name for years (Dottie first knew him as James Rupp)
Dottie leaving her purse and 5,000 inheritance check which expired months after she vanished
Not contacting anyone of her strong support system (including her best friend Shelley or sister) now for 30 years.
ect

The witnesses are getting old and I think its better to roll the dice on this one. Jule isn't going to confess anytime soon so I really think they should build the best circumstantial case and go for it. Maybe even offer him manslaughter in exchange to reveal to Dotties family where her body is. Maybe the shock of actually being arrested and charged might shake his huge ego and cop to a manslaughter plea to reveal where her body is. He would most likely lie and say he killed her in self defense or whatever but at least its some closure. If no plea, at least the family gets a trial. I really think they could get a conviction. Worst case, hes acquitted but hes 4 years away from 80, like I said, Id roll the dice

When watching this segment, Jules doesn't act like the typical guilty person. He didn't act nervous at all and even said he didn't have a problem with the police considering him a person of interest and that he was okay with it. In other cases, like Paul Pollis and Wayne Heck, they acted very guilty. They were uptight during the segment interviews and were very defensive if anyone considered them a suspect.

Then again, maybe Jules is a sociopath and can kill someone without any remorse.

Soooo.....

After reading the background on this case from a few newspaper articles and the article describing the document the police submitted stating all the reasons why believe Jule is guilty or 'the main person of interest'....why haven't they charged him? He is 76 now and time is running out. There have been plenty of murder without a body convictions throughout the country. I think they have a strong circumstantial case even comparing it to other murder without a body cases. I think after 30 years its pretty easy to convince a jury she is deceased. I think the first few years after she disappeared the argument she went off without telling anyone to escape her husband might have been more believable but not 30 years later.

Between....
Jules ridiculous story
The crazy notes he left on her car.
Being engaged to another woman at the time.
Beating Dottie in 1981 so bad she went to the hospital.
The witnesses stating they were arguing about money the day before she disappeared.
Jule telling his fiancee sometime in June 1985 that he couldn't see her because tenants of his rental property had "killed an animal in the kitchen" and he had to clean it up (he had no rental property at the time)
Packing all Dottie's stuff up including her car as soon as she went missing Calling a rental agent on June 7th to put the house up for rent (Dottie was going to live in the house)
His past of lying about his own identity and name for years (Dottie first knew him as James Rupp)
Dottie leaving her purse and 5,000 inheritance check which expired months after she vanished
Not contacting anyone of her strong support system (including her best friend Shelley or sister) now for 30 years.
ect

The witnesses are getting old and I think its better to roll the dice on this one. Jule isn't going to confess anytime soon so I really think they should build the best circumstantial case and go for it.


I don't see anything there that would be able to convince a properly instructed jury beyond reasonable doubt that Jules killed her. Would they be convinced that he may have killed her or it was more likley than not that he killed her? Sure. But the standard the law sets the prosecution is very high, and in the absence of a body, witnesses, any forensic evidence, a confession, or even a coherent theory as to how he did the deed, the prosecution just doesn't have a strong enough case to justify the time and expense of a trial. It's frustrating, but as any cop or judge will tell you, the standard of proof required under the criminal law system, which protects citizens from governmental abuse of power, also ensures that many guilty people go free.

I don't see anything there that would be able to convince a properly instructed jury beyond reasonable doubt that Jules killed her. Would they be convinced that he may have killed her or it was more likley than not that he killed her? Sure. But the standard the law sets the prosecution is very high, and in the absence of a body, witnesses, any forensic evidence, a confession, or even a coherent theory as to how he did the deed, the prosecution just doesn't have a strong enough case to justify the time and expense of a trial. It's frustrating, but as any cop or judge will tell you, the standard of proof required under the criminal law system, which protects citizens from governmental abuse of power, also ensures that many guilty people go free.

I know what your saying. My major was in Political Science and took many law classes within that degree. I was just stating there have been convictions of cases similar. I realize the burden of proof and why its set so high. Her family in the very least should sue for wrongful death. I believe I read they were going to but wanted to wait the outcome of the criminal investigation. At this point, I'd do something. That's all I was saying.

I know Jule Caylors facebook page has been posted here before,but I was just skimming it, and thought it was funny that about 8mo ago, Jule posted a status about how wonderful his wife, Barbara is.

"The love of my dear wife, Barbara, is the greatest gift and the greatest source of happiness, strength and security I could ever hope to find. It is good to know others have found this same gift in life".

Does anyone see the irony in this, other than me!?? :rolleyes:

https://www.facebook.com/jule.caylor?fref=ts

I know Jule Caylors facebook page has been posted here before,but I was just skimming it, and thought it was funny that about 8mo ago, Jule posted a status about how wonderful his wife, Barbara is.

"The love of my dear wife, Barbara, is the greatest gift and the greatest source of happiness, strength and security I could ever hope to find. It is good to know others have found this same gift in life".

Does anyone see the irony in this, other than me!?? :rolleyes:

https://www.facebook.com/jule.caylor?fref=ts


He seems to rant and rave a bit on his Facebook page. Is this guy a little wacko or something? :lol:

This case stands out in my memory, mostly because of Jule's extraordinary performance. I've never believed any killer was truly remorseless and stone-cold until I watched the Dottie episode.

Indeed, the only person who reminded me of Jule was Timothy McVeigh who was able to talk coldly and nonchalantly to the camera saying that the OKC bombing was a tragedy.

I find it funny he couldn't even hide his hate toward Dottie in those "sweet letters" he left on her car. They started out nice but turned hostile. I think I read someone he had even lied to Dottie when they first started dating about his own name and that he was married or something? The guy seems like a real sociopath

He's really into the whole climate change movement.

Yes, he may be nuts - but did he really kill her?

UPDATE:

Yeah, what (who) else could have wanted her to disappear?

Oh Id bet everything I owned he did. its obviously very circumstantial but I think to most people its pretty obvious.

I still struggle with it. I guess I have trouble understanding why on earth someone who participated in a nationally televised interview about his missing wife would be so blatantly obtuse about the fact that he was glad she was gone. Then again, people have acted far more strangely (See Bob Fratta's infamous hair-smooth-and-wink into a local news camera directly after his wife was murdered).

I read a lengthy article about the case that had a lot of circumstantial evidence than what was just discussed on UM. He had motive, opportunity and its quite clear at this point Dottie didn't just up and leave by herself. Who writes a note on your "missing" wife's car that starts out super sweet (even though they reportedly couldn't stand each other at that point) but then gets nasty midway through the letter? I mean if you're trying to pretend that you love and care about your wife, you might want to not put any nasty statements/blaming in the letter. To me, he's so narcissistic and an ego maniac that he overlooks how his demeanor appears to other people.

Look at Paul Polis. He's the prime suspect in his wife's disappearance and instead of laying low and abiding the law for the last 20 years to not draw more attention to himself from law enforcement...he commits more crimes! One of which was bringing a loaded gun to the sheriffs home! Some people who are that narcissistic think they are invincible and are so intelligent they can get out of anything. That's how a lot of them end up getting caught. Jules and Paul just hid the bodies very well and cleaned up the actual crime scene enough that there wasn't enough evidence a murder was committed.

Then again, people have acted far more strangely (See Bob Fratta's infamous hair-smooth-and-wink into a local news camera directly after his wife was murdered).

First thing that comes to mind is Darlie Routier laughing and shooting silly string at her child's posthumous birthday party a week after he was killed. :confused:

I read a lengthy article about the case that had a lot of circumstantial evidence than what was just discussed on UM. He had motive, opportunity and its quite clear at this point Dottie didn't just up and leave by herself.

I know which article you're referring to, and I agree--there's a LOT of circumstantial evidence that does not at all reflect well on the possibility of Jule's innocence.

Who writes a note on your "missing" wife's car that starts out super sweet (even though they reportedly couldn't stand each other at that point) but then gets nasty midway through the letter? I mean if you're trying to pretend that you love and care about your wife, you might want to not put any nasty statements/blaming in the letter.

This is actually what causes me to doubt Jule's involvement. His hostility was so blatant and unapologetic. Either he's the dumbest or most unhinged person in the world, or he feels like he has nothing to hide.

I'm not sure if you guys have read the actual letter sent to the police years ago about Dottie but I just read it and its shocking! It seems very apparent that the author is Jule himself or someone that was at the murder and helped dispose of her body. The specific details given are amazing!! The question is why in the world would Jule write a letter giving so many facts if he wanted to keep his freedom. Unless all the details given were incorrect and he wanted to throw the police off. Here is a direct link to the letter, map and affidavit in case anyone's interested:

http://www.contracostatimes.com/multimedia/contracostatimes/cctimes/dottie_letter.pdf


I'm late to this party, could someone copy and paste this letter here on the board (unless it's against the rules)...

I'm late to this party, could someone copy and paste this letter here on the board (unless it's against the rules)...

I agree. I never got a chance to see it either.

Here's a copy of that 2006 article that crystaldawn posted. The letter isn't posted here, but the article details what was in it.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t3293.htm

Here's a copy of that 2006 article that crystaldawn posted. The letter isn't posted here, but the article details what was in it.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/ar/t3293.htm

"Jule was a controlled and controlling man, Dottie's friends say. He could speak endlessly of his attributes and he was as bad as Dottie when it came to making notes and writing long letters. When employees at Wendy's complained about the mess he allegedly was making of their salad bar and asked him to leave, Jule wrote an eight-page letter detailing how insulted he was and offering testimonials on how gifted he was at constructing salads. He even included a photograph of himself seated behind a salad worthy of a food stylist."

I literally LOL'd. I would love to see this photo.

"Jule was a controlled and controlling man, Dottie's friends say. He could speak endlessly of his attributes and he was as bad as Dottie when it came to making notes and writing long letters. When employees at Wendy's complained about the mess he allegedly was making of their salad bar and asked him to leave, Jule wrote an eight-page letter detailing how insulted he was and offering testimonials on how gifted he was at constructing salads. He even included a photograph of himself seated behind a salad worthy of a food stylist."

I literally LOL'd. I would love to see this photo.

The reporter who wrote that article actually posted on this forum a few years ago. Of course, she got some inquiries about Jule's salad photo and the eight-page letter and apparently, a private investigator on the case has the only copies in his possession. Unfortunately, she couldn't recall many details about the actual content of the letter because I'm mighty curious how a person could fill eight whole pages on that particular topic.

Someone that went to school with Jules posted in another thread (linked below)

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=202364&page=5

I think her car parked next to Jule's makes me real suspicious that he might have had something to do with her disappearance. If I saw my wife's car with her purse in the front seat, I would take her purse with me because I would be afraid it would be stolen. She could always call me from a phone and let me come get her. He had the keys to her car since he admitted he moved it several times over the next few days to avoid her getting a parking ticket, so there is no reason why he left the purse there. My theory, and this is pure speculation, is he drove her car to the station the day she disappeared (or allegedly killed her) and put the purse in the front seat hoping someone would break into the car and steal it. That way, it would look like Dottie got robbed and was killed by her attacker. Or hoping the thief would take the keys out of her purse and steal the car. That way it would look like Dottie disappeared on her own. When that didn't happen, I think he drove the car around and put it in different spots not to avoid a ticket but still hoping someone would break in. Makes no sense for him to move it since she would go back to her original spot and think it was stolen if she was still alive. It would make more sense to call a friend and take her car home, and get a ride back with the friend to get his car. I'd like to see where he moved it as well. I'll bet he moved it to remote areas of the parking lot with few people around. A perfect place for a thief to get it. It also made no sense for her to run off since he was leaving in two weeks and would be free of him. Just my theory.

Jules seems like an abusive guy so I can see why Dottie left,I hope if she is still alive she will one day tell her family she is safe and sound. If only they had camera's at the train station like they do now.

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Some real oddities to the case for sure, but I have always felt he killed her.

Would be interesting to see a new forensic analysis of the house. Blood traces could still show even after all of these years. Probably about the only thing that could be found at this point unless or until a body is found.

Loads of blood evidence was found at Lizzie Borden's place about 120 years later. But he could have killed her bloodlessly though.

This case was always hilarious to me. It's so blatantly obvious that foul play was committed, yet you have people who go "durrrr....I dunno....maybe she flew away".

The even more hilarious part is that her purse was in her front seat that contained her bee allergy medicine that she needed to stay alive, and Jules just so happened by the grace of god to find her car. In that gigantic parking lot, he finds her car in a crowded parking lot with her purse by "co in ci dence".

Plus his hilarious nonchalant attitude in the segment is so blatant. And the fact that he did heavy construction right after her disappearance and moved is obvious. I'm sure there's heavy blood evidence in that house. Hence the construction.

If anyone think Jules is innocent then I have a cult for you to join.

This case was always hilarious to me. It's so blatantly obvious that foul play was committed, yet you have people who go "durrrr....I dunno....maybe she flew away".

The even more hilarious part is that her purse was in her front seat that contained her bee allergy medicine that she needed to stay alive, and Jules just so happened by the grace of god to find her car. In that gigantic parking lot, he finds her car in a crowded parking lot with her purse by "co in ci dence".

Plus his hilarious nonchalant attitude in the segment is so blatant. And the fact that he did heavy construction right after her disappearance and moved is obvious. I'm sure there's heavy blood evidence in that house. Hence the construction.

If anyone think Jules is innocent then I have a cult for you to join.

I concur. Jule and Paul Polis should start a men's club together. Instead of his comment about life being better, Jule could have said "Of course I remodeled. I like a remodeled house".

I concur. Jule and Paul Polis should start a men's club together. Instead of his comment about life being better, Jule could have said "Of course I remodeled. I like a remodeled house".

LOL.

This case was always hilarious to me. It's so blatantly obvious that foul play was committed, yet you have people who go "durrrr....I dunno....maybe she flew away".

The even more hilarious part is that her purse was in her front seat that contained her bee allergy medicine that she needed to stay alive, and Jules just so happened by the grace of god to find her car. In that gigantic parking lot, he finds her car in a crowded parking lot with her purse by "co in ci dence".

Plus his hilarious nonchalant attitude in the segment is so blatant. And the fact that he did heavy construction right after her disappearance and moved is obvious. I'm sure there's heavy blood evidence in that house. Hence the construction.

If anyone think Jules is innocent then I have a cult for you to join.

Yeah I just saw case on TV over here in Ireland. It is so clear he did it, the interview he did was amazing. I can't believe his lawyer allowed him to do it. He all but admitted to it.
It's interesting whenever I see someone get caught for murdering their partner for insurance or convenience reasons I am always amazed they think they can get away with it. Yet here is an instance when he did get away with it and he is almost bragging about it.
Anybody know if he is still alive? I see no public FB posts since 2014 and he must be getting on in years.

Loads of blood evidence was found at Lizzie Borden's place about 120 years later.

More like 40 or 41

I hope she really dissapeared by her own decision, maybe she left everything behind ... just to avoid being found.

Jule Caylor seems very narcisistic, apathetic, without emotions... maybe he is the murderer, maybe not. But a wife abuser, sure he was.

Living with a person with mental issues is hell, but she was he's wife so she deserved to be protected and loved. Not to be cheated, neglected and treated like dirt. If living with Dottie "was like hell" it was his fault for not helping her to search medical aid. Agoraphobia it's not like schizophrenia and with a good treatment she could have improved... but he just didnt care...


I believe he never loved Dottie. He only saw women as some kind of thing you can discard at any time.

Jule Caylor seems very narcisistic, apathetic, without emotions... maybe he is the murderer, maybe not. But a wife abuser, sure he was...I believe he never loved Dottie. He only saw women as some kind of thing you can discard at any time.

Agreed! He gave himself away as a narc in the UM episode. He was being interviewed about the disappearance of his wife, who was highly likely to have fallen victim to foul play, but his ego wouldn't let him show sympathy. It was all about him and the inconvenience he felt. He said "I thought that she had left temporarily to simply make things inconvenient for me," and "It was hell living with Dottie." And he described her disappearance as "that whole problem." Guy makes my skin crawl. He might not have done anything to her, but he's definitely a narcissist.

And there are so many other weird things. He dropped her at the station then drove away. The next day, he got back to the station after work - i.e he'd had to park there in the morning. Her VW was parked next to his. So even though she was supposed to be staying with a friend, the fact that she'd somehow gone home, grabbed her car and parked it next to Jule's the next day, he didn't find that strange enough to report to the police? Then, even though he said she was meant to be away until the 24th, he left numerous, rambling notes on her windscreen. If he wanted to talk to her, why not leave just one? "When you get this, please call me" or similar?

Someone on another thread said they didn't see why he'd go to the trouble of moving her VW to the station. That one's easy, if you think like a cunning person. Dottie was agoraphobic. Her family and friends knew this. If they came to the house, saw her car and she didn't answer the door, or Jule answered the door and said that his agoraphobic wife she wasn't there, that would have brought more attention to him. No car at the house, no unwelcome visitors, no questions. Makes sense in a devious way.

Jule did it. I've always hoped though that Dottie pulled a "Gone Girl" on Jule, leaving her purse and medication to make it look like a murder so Jule would get locked up while Dottie created a new life for herself. But aw, that's just a dream. Jule killed her.

It boggles me the reactions Jules and all the other obviously guilty people display. I’m like, “Seriously you can’t put forth any kind of effort into this?!” I’m just saying: if someone close to me went missing and I was a leading suspect, I would at least try to act concerned for their general welfare.

I should mention that I had a Wendy's salad for dinner.

I should mention that I had a Wendy's salad for dinner.

:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

I hope she finally reaches out to her family,no one will be upset with her staying away for decades as the husband seemed like a jerk.

I hope she finally reaches out to her family,no one will be upset with her staying away for decades as the husband seemed like a jerk.

From the Charley Project:

"Court documents indicate that authorities believe Jule murdered his wife, but there is insufficient evidence to charge him as of yet."

Right from the beginning, this UM segment fascinated me, as I thought Jule was a D-bag, even if he had nothing to do with Dottie's disappearance.

So, interestingly enough, Jule has filed a “petition to establish fact of death for a joint tenant” on January 7, 2019 against Dottie’s estate in Contra Costa County Superior Court.

http://www.cc-courts.org/civil/TR/Department%2014%20-%20Judge%20Sugiyama%20(Probate)/14_031919.pdf (see page 2)

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I have not been able to figure out of the petition was approved. I believe Jule might be doing this so he can sell the house. I just found this very recently, and have not had a chance to delve further. I do believe Jule has knowledge of Dottie’s death at the very least, even if he’s not directly responsible for her demise.

Right from the beginning, this UM segment fascinated me, as I thought Jule was a D-bag, even if he had nothing to do with Dottie's disappearance.

So, interestingly enough, Jule has filed a “petition to establish fact of death for a joint tenant” on January 7, 2019 against Dottie’s estate in Contra Costa County Superior Court.

http://www.cc-courts.org/civil/TR/Department%2014%20-%20Judge%20Sugiyama%20(Probate)/14_031919.pdf (see page 2)

Case #MSP04-00560

I have not been able to figure out of the petition was approved. I believe Jule might be doing this so he can sell the house. I just found this very recently, and have not had a chance to delve further. I do believe Jule has knowledge of Dottie’s death at the very least, even if he’s not directly responsible for her demise.

Thanks for posting this, lmdean_1971... And welcome to the board! :wave:

Interesting that this is going on so long after she disappeared -- almost 35 years later. I used to be on the fence about this but I also researched this case quite a bit. Jule was not a nice man and as you said there is ample circumstantial evidence that he killed her or was very involved with her never being seen again.

This may be just a long unresolved formaility, but if Jule is in any way trying to profit from this, he can go right to hell.

What a scumbag.........(Jule)