View Full Version : What cases are you split 50/50 on?


wiseguy182
05-06-2006, 06:13 PM
Most of the time, I will lean one way or the other. Other times I will believe that somebody is 100% guilty/innocent. But every now and then I find a case where I'm split right down the middle. It's pretty rare, but it does happen.

For me, the one that sticks out in my mind is the Larry Race case. There are so many reasons why he could be innocent, and so many reasons he could be guilty. A few in each category:

Why he might be innocent: A similar incident had happened the year before with his daughters and he was successful in towing them to safety. Also, a check on the boat revealed that it would have intermittent starting problems, which would explain why Larry and Debby couldn't start it initially, but started for Larry when he got back on the boat.

Why he might be guilty: The slash marks on the bottom of the raft are unexplained. Was it because they were cut or was it because they hit some rocks? Also, if he did have two liferafts, why wasn't the first one found?

So.. what cases are you split 50/50 on. Also, what do you think about the Larry Race case?

RyanD.
05-06-2006, 06:27 PM
I think he did kill his wife. I think they said that the slash marks on the individual chambers were most certainly made with a knife. Also, I just don't believe him when he says that he accidently returned to his broken down boat because he thought that it was another boat that could offer help. He then was able to start the boat and save himself. I find it very hard to believe that even if there could be intermittent promblems.
:mad:

Dislimb
05-06-2006, 08:28 PM
Darlie Routier

Awsi Dooger
05-06-2006, 11:17 PM
The school bombing case.

Also the fertility statues.

And Resurrection Mary.

Plus anything presented by Keeley Shaye-Smith, walking toward the camera and saying, "That's right, Bob."

I need to see each of those many more times to form an opinion one way or another.

DarkDante
05-07-2006, 12:01 AM
Easy - Dr. Jeff Macdonald. Although I lean towards innocence its still one where you can look at it one way and say "he's innocent" and another way and see he's guilty as sin.

justins5256
05-07-2006, 04:14 PM
No 50/50 for me! Bill Wacker is 100% guilty in my eyes!

Give it a rest. You are boring.

ouphe
05-11-2006, 02:07 AM
No 50/50 for me! Bill Wacker is 100% guilty in my eyes!I tend to agree with you, but unfortunately, Bill Wacker croaked several years ago, leaving this mystery permanently unsolved. As I said in another post, this is how the Wacker case should have been handled in retrospect:

1). Make Bill Wacker submit to intensive questioning while under the influence of Sodium Pentothal. There should be at least three different evaluations, conducted by professional, FBI and military interrogators. All sessions must be recorded and must subsequently undergo voice stress analysis.

2). Have Mr. Wacker submit to at least 3 different, independently administered polygraph examinations, and at least one Brain Fingerprinting session. Note: numerous studies (http://www.polygraph.com.au/faq_accuracy.asp) exist proving polygraph exams are astonishingly accurate when administered by a competent examiner.

3). Have Mr. Wacker implanted with an RFID microchip, so that if another incident were to occur, his actions at the time may be heavily scrutinized. The chip must be embedded in a sensitive area, such as the testicles, to avoid tampering. Should he be absolved, the chip would be removed immediately.

Should Mr. Wacker pass all of these tests, he could most certainly be declared innocent of all charges, thus removing any reasonable suspicion or doubt, not only from his detractors, but Mrs. Wacker as well.

I realize these measures may seem a tad excessive to some, but it must also be remembered that poor Dorothy was subjected to a decade of sheer horror. Surely, if Mr. Wacker truly loved his wife and wanted to clear his name, he would have raised no objections to these procedures.

Mr. Fuji
05-11-2006, 02:25 AM
I'm split 50/50 on Blair Adams. Man, I want to think he was loony and no one was chasing after him, but I don't buy that he could have killed himself the way he died. It's a bit implausible to kill yourself by giving yourself a sharp blow to the stomach.

This is a good question, since there are definitely some cases I watch that I'm completely baffled about. If I can remember any more, I'll post them.

sugarbaby
05-11-2006, 04:28 PM
I would definately second the darlie routier case.....I cannot figure it out!

greatgarrett2
05-11-2006, 10:08 PM
Bob Arceari (sp?)

He could've suffered a heart attack and drowned in the Colorado River, or he could've staged his own disappearance.

He was involved in crime rackets in Arizona.

Beavervalleygirl
05-12-2006, 10:15 AM
Tommy Zeigler..............on death row in Florida.

Awsi Dooger
05-12-2006, 03:09 PM
Tommy Zeigler..............on death row in Florida.

Yes, that one stumps me also. I lean toward innocence but not with much confidence.

Dislimb
05-12-2006, 10:17 PM
Here is a recent photograph (taken on May 7th of this year) of Tommy Zeigler in prison:

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/InmatePhotos/0/053948.jpg

The link to his page at the Florida DC web page is below.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=10&From=list&SessionID=526335252

Beavervalleygirl
05-14-2006, 04:27 AM
Thank You !

Dislimb
05-14-2006, 07:44 AM
You're welcome. And if you ask me, he didn't do it!

wiseguy182
05-23-2006, 03:56 AM
Another one I'm torn on is the Michael Scott Martin case.

Michael had a perfect record until he was 26, that was when he entered a grocery store drunk and ate a couple of items during his shopping. When the manager asked him to pay, he freaked out and was eventually charged with assault with a deadly weapon, and would get 4 years probation. A couple of weeks later, a gas station was robbed. The clerk picked Michael out of a series of photographs, and in addition to that, the police officer that handled the case said he saw Michael driving in that area around the time the crime took place. However, five eyewitnesses say the saw Michael at his home 70 miles away when the crime took place, three of whom barely knew Michael.

This one is really tough to call. When it comes to witnesses, both sides are adamant they are correct. Michael did acknowledge the supermaket incident was stupid, which makes me lean very slightly towards he didn't rob the gas station, but I wouldn't be 100% suprised if he did it. I'd say 51% of me belives he didn't rob it, 49% of me believes he did.

Any thoughts?

SP4CE INV4DERZ
07-28-2006, 10:05 PM
Dale Kerstetter is my biggest 50/50 case, I justt dont know. Another one would be the suicide or murder of Kurt Cobain. It looks like a suicide but according to the UM braodcast there were no fingerprints found on the gun. Guns don't clean themselves, so I just don't know.

kadrmas15
07-29-2006, 01:03 PM
Tommy Ziegler has been on death row for 30 years now. Incredible. To this day he says he is innocent. His case I have done some research on and regardless of if he did it the evidence on him was so circumstancial, the blood that was on him was not that of his father in law's like the prosecution claimed. Of course they didnt figure that out until the last couple of years when they did more testing. I think the jury should have acquitted him because they had reasonable doubt I would think. That is thing is a jury even if they think the person did it are supposed to acquitt if they have reasonable doubt after the evidence and witnesses are supplied. Jeffrey MacDonald's case is another one. That is another one where even if he did do it which I dont think he did but even if he did do it the evidence was so circumstancial you would think there was reasonable doubt. Of course the Army was after him from day one. However that case got dropped originally he was indicited two or three different times before that case even went to trial. He was found guilty however after about a year in prison he was actually released in 1980 when the courts overturned his conviction. However in 1982 the supreme court overturned the lower courts and ordered MacDonald back to prison where he has been since. In my view MacDonald wouldnt have ever gone to trial or prison if the parents of his deceased wife hadnt turned on him. For the first few years after his wife's death her parents supported MacDonald. However by the mid 70's the relationship between the parents and MacDonald had detoraited and around 1975 or so her parents started saying they thought he did it and this is what probably led to the case being resurrected. Supposedly their relationship went down hill after MacDonald had failed to visit his in laws after he had made a trip out east. I guess I will never understand why they would think MacDonald would kill his family. His wife was 5 months pregnant with their third child did they think he couldnt handle the stress of it? Also where MacDonald was stabbed would be an unusual place for someone to stab themselves like the Army alleged MacDonald did to make it look like he had been stabbed by an intruder. Why would a successful military officer and doctor just kill his pregnant wife and two children and so viciously and then lay around? He wouldnt. I just dont think MacDonald did it and even if he did he should never have been convicted because it seems to me like the evidence was simply too circumstancial.

DJ_Foxx
08-01-2006, 01:13 PM
I would say the Mary Morris murders. I'm torn with one becase on one way I think maybe the husband could have done it...and then again, it might have been the creepy coworker. This one still gets me...no matter hjow many times I see it, I seem to lean from one person to the next

wiseguy182
08-02-2006, 03:22 AM
I'm going to say that I'm split 50/50 on Dale Kerstetter and the Wackers as well.

I just looked over all the posts on this thread again, and just wanted to pass along the current vote talleys for segments that were considered 50/50 splits. It's a four way tie between Darlie Routier, Tommy Ziegler, the Wackers and Dale Kerstetter. All of those segments have two votes. All of the following have one vote: Mary Morris, Larry Race, Dr Jeff MacDonald, Bill Wacker, Blair Adams, Bob Arceari, Michael Scott Martin, fertility statues, school bombing, and Resurrection Mary.

Anyone care to break the tie?