here is the link:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=171107

I'm stunned. :eek: :lol:

Are u stunned that it's a spin-off or are you stunned that Solomon put the info right where we all could see it???? :rofl:

The later. :rofl:

The later. :rofl:
I knew it...:rofl:

:lol: :wave:

I knew it was a spin-off. It's everywhere that you can find the info. I recall it being called a spin-off when it was on the air the first time.

Are u stunned that it's a spin-off or are you stunned that Solomon put the info right where we all could see it???? :rofl:


I see that I have to send you a copy of the 1974 Ebony Magazine Article that explains why Good Times is not a spinoff. Pm me your addy so we can end this-lol

I knew it...:rofl:

:lol: :wave:

I knew it was a spin-off. It's everywhere that you can find the info. I recall it being called a spin-off when it was on the air the first time.
This debate's been going on as long as I've been on SO too. :lol:

I see that I have to send you a copy of the 1974 Ebony Magazine Article that explains why Good Times is not a spinoff. Pm me your addy so we can end this-lol
I thought you never could get that article...now you have it???? LOL

TVGuide is the official guide of television...why else would you collect them??? You show us articles from them all the time.

No, this time YOU PROVE TO US IT'S NOT A SPIN-OFF...Not that it matters because what some black mag says means nothing to me. Only TVGuide and any other magazine, book that deals specifically with Television. :snob:

I see that I have to send you a copy of the 1974 Ebony Magazine Article that explains why Good Times is not a spinoff. Pm me your addy so we can end this-lol


Just give it and admit it

:D :wave:

I thought you never could get that article...now you have it???? LOL

TVGuide is the official guide of television...why else would you collect them??? You show us articles from them all the time.

No, this time YOU PROVE TO US IT'S NOT A SPIN-OFF...Not that it matters because what some black mag says means nothing to me. Only TVGuide and any other magazine, book that deals specifically with Television. :snob:


Well the Executive Producer explained why it wasn't so I will hunt for it tomorrow. Also that TV Guide Critic didn't explained why the Evans was living in Chicago and not Harlem-lol

Well the Executive Producer explained why it wasn't so I will hunt for it tomorrow. Also that TV Guide Critic didn't explained why the Evans was living in Chicago and not Harlem-lol
the critic doesn't have to explain. that's not his job. he is a CRITIC:crazy:

Just give it and admit it



I won this debate before you came to SitcomOnline.-lol That is how me and Brian Damage became friends. We would go at it for hours-lol

Well the Executive Producer explained why it wasn't so I will hunt for it tomorrow. Also that TV Guide Critic didn't explained why the Evans was living in Chicago and not Harlem-lol

I would like to read that article as well, Scan it and paste it here.

I won this debate before you came to SitcomOnline.-lol That is how me and Brian Damage became friends. We would go at it for hours-lol
in your own mind you won...Brian begs to differ;)

Brie, Solomon has to pack, he doesn't have time...LOL

I won this debate before you came to SitcomOnline.-lol That is how me and Brian Damage became friends. We would go at it for hours-lol

I would say something about that but I'll hold my tongue.

the critic doesn't have to explain. that's not his job. he is a CRITIC:crazy:


So the EP said it wasn't a spinoff and the Critic said it was and that means it's a spinoff?-lol

:D :wave:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Summary: Good Times, which ran on CBS-TV from 1974-1979, was a spin-off of the All In the Family spin-off, Maude. The series details the trials and tribulations of Florida Evans (who previously had worked as Maude's maid) and her family on the south side of Chicago. Florida (Esther Rolle) and her husband James (John Amos) are lower-middle class African-Americans living in a high rise housing project with their three children--wisecracking J.J. (Jimmy Walker, whose "Dy-No-Mite" became a national catchphrase), Thelma (Ja'Net DuBois), and Michael (Ralph Carter). James has trouble finding steady work, but through it all, the family sticks together. Veering between comedy and drama, Good Times was a landmark in U.S. television. This collection includes all 23 episodes from the third season

So the EP said it wasn't a spinoff and the Critic said it was and that means it's a spinoff?-lol
The article YOU POSTED only states what everything else has already been said and known! I think, no, I know the printed words of 100 books and magazines, internet info, etc. are worth more than one magazine.

:argue: :gossip :mumble: :mumble: :mumble: :smash: :boxing:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

The article YOU POSTED only states what everything else has already been said and known! I think, no, I know the printed words of 100 books and magazines, internet info, etc. are worth more than one magazine.



So what the EP says does't count?-lol That article will always support my argument.

I won this debate before you came to SitcomOnline.-lol That is how me and Brian Damage became friends. We would go at it for hours-lol
He did put that you were right in his signature at one time. :lol:

He did put that you were right in his signature at one time. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :crazy:

:lol: :lol: :crazy:

We all know that it was a spinoff but him. Just like 704 Hauser Street :lol:

We all know that it was a spinoff but him. Just like 704 Hauser Street :lol:
Just like he said "Movin' On Up" was NEVER SAID BEFORE THE JEFFERSONS. What Solomon thinks...and what really is...ARE WAAAAAY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. He also thinks Dr. J (former NBA player) was overrated...:eek: :crazy:

Just like he said "Movin' On Up" was NEVER SAID BEFORE THE JEFFERSONS. What Solomon thinks...and what really is...ARE WAAAAAY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. He also thinks Dr. J (former NBA player) was overrated...:eek: :crazy:


:lol: :lol: :lol: Oh yeah "Movin' On Up" :rofl: he thought Ja'net dubois invented it :brent

BRIAN DAMAGE I NEED YOUR SUPPORT BUDDY!!!!!-lol

:argue: :gossip :mumble: :mumble: :mumble: :smash: :boxing:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: You so funny!!!

We've only just begun...

:rofl: :rofl: You so funny!!!

We've only just begun...
I can see that!!! I'm on the entrance ramp to the freeway, but I'm afraid to get on.....LOL You guys are heated...LOL

OMG OMG OMG :brent: :brent: :brent:

I can see that!!! I'm on the entrance ramp to the freeway, but I'm afraid to get on.....LOL You guys are heated...LOL

:rofl: :rofl: DAMN IT...I AM CRYING AND LAUGHING MY ASS OFF!!!!!!

Solomon...you are going south my dear...:lol:

is this what you meant retrochick????

OMG OMG OMG :brent: :brent: :brent:



:rofl: :rofl: DAMN IT...I AM CRYING AND LAUGHING MY ASS OFF!!!!!!
I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE LAUGHING FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG!!!! SOME GOOD ONES TONIGHT!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

OMG OMG OMG :brent: :brent: :brent:



:rofl: :rofl: DAMN IT...I AM CRYING AND LAUGHING MY ASS OFF!!!!!!



Irene I will break down for you tomorrow as to why GT is not a spinoff.

Solomon...you are going south my dear...:lol:

is this what you meant retrochick????
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE LAUGHING FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG!!!! SOME GOOD ONES TONIGHT!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
my daughter passed by me on the way to the kitchen and gave me this weird look like "WTF is wrong with you? what is soooooooooooo funny?":rotflmao: :yippee:

Solomon...you are going south my dear...:lol:

is this what you meant retrochick????


:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm going to bed, But Irene you have made my night, You've really cracked me up.

Irene I will break down for you tomorrow as to why GT is not a spinoff.
No thanks. I have read your explanations before. I don't need any convincing of what i know is the truth. You ain't going to tell me white is black...or black is white...or that Willona invented the phrase MOVIN' ON UP...or that Dr. J was overrated...because I know I am right. I am THE SEVENTIES...I KNOW WHAT IS WHAT...:D

I think you better go pack solomon!:lol:

No thanks. I have read your explanations before. I don't need any convincing of what i know is the truth. You ain't going to tell me white is black...or black is white...or that Willona invented the phrase MOVIN' ON UP...or that Dr. J was overrated...because I know I am right. I am THE SEVENTIES...I KNOW WHAT IS WHAT...:D

I think you better go pack solomon!:lol:


If you can give me a detailed explanation as to why the Evans were living in a different state then I will say it's a spinoff. Talk to me-lol

my daughter passed by me on the way to the kitchen and gave me this weird look like "WTF is wrong with you? what is soooooooooooo funny?":rotflmao: :yippee:
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Good night to all.........I had fun!!!!!
Pleasant Good Times dreams..........
until we meet again........................

No thanks. I have read your explanations before. I don't need any convincing of what i know is the truth. You ain't going to tell me white is black...or black is white...or that Willona invented the phrase MOVIN' ON UP...or that Dr. J was overrated...because I know I am right. I am THE SEVENTIES...I KNOW WHAT IS WHAT...:D

I think you better go pack solomon!:lol:

:brent :lol: :lol: :brent

LOL!!!!!!!!!
Good night to all.........I had fun!!!!!
Pleasant Good Times dreams..........
until we meet again........................
Brie, Retrochick...u both had me going tonight. I haven't had a good ass laugh like this one in a while on the board!

No thanks. I have read your explanations before. I don't need any convincing of what i know is the truth. You ain't going to tell me white is black...or black is white...or that Willona invented the phrase MOVIN' ON UP...or that Dr. J was overrated...because I know I am right. I am THE SEVENTIES...I KNOW WHAT IS WHAT...:D

I think you better go pack solomon!:lol:


Irene I'm going to provide some power info tomorow so I hope you are ready to say-"Solomon you were right". lol

I won this debate before you came to SitcomOnline.-lol That is how me and Brian Damage became friends. We would go at it for hours-lol
I saw that debate, you lost :lol:

I saw that debate, you lost :lol:


Actually It will always be an ongoing debate because of the article I came up with to support my argument. So the debate will never end

Actually It will always be an ongoing debate because of the article I came up with to support my argument. So the debate will never end
only in YOUR mind :rolleyes:

only in YOUR mind :rolleyes:


Well that's just how it is-lol The Ongoing Mystery-"Was Good Times a Spinoff?-lol

"Good times wasnt a spinoff" "all in the Family wasnt a comedy" (etc ) Whats next? "Moby wasnt a whale"? "Survivor isnt a reality show"? "Nixon wasnt a president"? "Britain wasnt an Empire"? " Rome WAS built in a day"? Geeeeez, give it up ;) :lol:

"Good times wasnt a spinoff" "all in the Family wasnt a comedy" (etc ) Whats next? "Moby wasnt a whale"? "Survivor isnt a reality show"? "Nixon wasnt a president"? "Britain wasnt an Empire"? " Rome WAS built in a day"? Geeeeez, give it up ;) :lol:


Well if you feel GT is a spinoff tell me why-lol I'm waiting!!!!!!!!!

Well if you feel GT is a spinoff tell me why-lol I'm waiting!!!!!!!!!


Because Florida was Maude's maid. Even Florida said that she was the best damn maid that she could be. And I believe that if there wasn't a AITF there wouldn't have been a Maude and there wouldn't have been a GT.

Because Florida was Maude's maid. Even Florida said that she was the best damn maid that she could be. And I believe that if there wasn't a AITF there wouldn't have been a Maude and there wouldn't have been a GT.


I',m about to post some new info that will end all of this. Give me a second

I',m about to post some new info that will end all of this. Give me a second


Scan it please

Scan it please



I don't have a scanner at home so I will have to wait until I get to work but it has something to do with this below

First ep of Good Times-2/1/74

Florida's Last ep on Maude-2/5/74


Can't be a spinoff if GT was alreay on CBS before her last apperance on Maude. I will do some more digging

I don't have a scanner at home so I will have to wait until I get to work but it has something to do with this below

First ep of Good Times-2/1/74

Florida's Last ep on Maude-2/5/74


Can't be a spinoff if GT was alreay on CBS before her last apperance on Maude. I will do some more digging


And your point? just because she was still on Maude doesn't mean that GT wasn't a spin off, And you're looking at air dates :lol:

Well when you get to work tomorrow scan it

"Good times wasnt a spinoff" "all in the Family wasnt a comedy" (etc ) Whats next? "Moby wasnt a whale"? "Survivor isnt a reality show"? "Nixon wasnt a president"? "Britain wasnt an Empire"? " Rome WAS built in a day"? Geeeeez, give it up ;) :lol:


I MISSED THE PARTY?!! DANG IT! I am shocked that Irene came over to our side. Solomon, I will say this, you are persistent. Good Times is a spinoff. I think that you have tendency to overanalyze things. Just take it eeeeeasy.....

Esther Rolle wanted to keep the character name on Good Times just like she did on Maude. They did not forget to change the names. That right there alone is a link to Maude. It is as clear as day. I am just sorry that you got beat up on almost 4 pages of posting. Ouch! It's all good though.:)

BTW, Mikado, Rome WAS TOO BUILT IN A DAY! It was a spinoff from Ireland. LOL. Once my TV Guide edition to how "Rome was built in a day edtion" comes in the mail, I will post the information to prove you wrong!

Solomon does have a right to his opinion. I give him props but I just feel differently about this matter.:wave:

I don't have a scanner at home so I will have to wait until I get to work but it has something to do with this below

First ep of Good Times-2/1/74

Florida's Last ep on Maude-2/5/74


Can't be a spinoff if GT was alreay on CBS before her last apperance on Maude. I will do some more digging


But this argument right here is not strong enough to support your theory. The Network had everyright to air the program on whatever day it wished.

But this argument right here is not strong enough to support your theory. The Network had everyright to air the program on whatever day it wished.


I want someone who thinks GT is a spinoff to give me a STRONG reason why the Evanas were living in Chicago and not NY.

I want someone who thinks GT is a spinoff to give me a STRONG reason why the Evanas were living in Chicago and not NY.


Rhoda was a spinoff MTM and she lived in NY, Phyllis was a spinoff of MTM and she lived in San Francisco.

Rhoda was a spinoff MTM and she lived in NY, Phyllis was a spinoff of MTM and she lived in San Francisco.


Sorry Brie, that's a WEAK reason because it was explained on both Spinoffs why those Two charactes were living in different cities. It wasn't explained on Good Times at all why they moved to a new state to live in a Ghetto-lol

I want someone who thinks GT is a spinoff to give me a STRONG reason why the Evanas were living in Chicago and not NY.

Spinoffs can be as inconsistent as they want to be. Eric Monte's idea did originate B4 Maude. This is true, however, with the idea taken and was umbrella'd under Maude. "Knots Landing" originated before "Dallas". The idea was rejected then "Dallas" was formed. The network execs. saw the success of "Dallas" and told the producers to use the "Knots Landing" idea and add a Ewing Couple from "Dallas". "Billy" was spun off from Head of the Class. In thes series, it was almost as though he never was a teacher as Filmore High in NYC on HOTC.

I think is you that believe that spinoffs have to have this tradition of consistency. This is television. People exercise their creativities. Heck, they do it in SOAPS all the time. So many inconsistencies. On the show "All My Children", there was a 7 year old, girl named "Colby Chandler". She was seven last year when she disappeared from the canvas and now the producers are recasting the character to be a 16 year old. :rolleyes: That is just nuts! However, this is Televsion.

Sorry Brie, that's a WEAK reason because it was explained on both Spinoffs why those Two charactes were living in different cities. It wasn't explained on Good Times at all why they moved to a new state to live in a Ghetto-lol


But yet she was Florida on Maude and on GT. To be a spinoff it doesn't have to take place in the same state. And like I said before if there wasn't a Maude there wouldn't be a Good Times.

Spinoffs can be as inconsistent as they want to be. Eric Monte's idea did originate B4 Maude. This is true, however, with the idea taken and was umbrella'd under Maude. "Knots Landing" originated before "Dallas". The idea was rejected then "Dallas" was formed. The network execs. saw the success of "Dallas" and told the producers to use the "Knots Landing" idea and add a Ewing Couple from "Dallas". "Billy" was spun off from Head of the Class. In thes series, it was almost as though he never was a teacher as Filmore High in NYC on HOTC.

I think is you that believe that spinoffs have to have this tradition of consistency. This is television. People exercise their creativities. Heck, they do it in SOAPS all the time. So many inconsistencies. On the show "All My Children", there was a 7 year old, girl named "Colby Chandler". She was seven last year when she disappeared from the canvas and now the producers are recasting the character to be a 16 year old. :rolleyes: That is just nuts! However, this is Televsion.


It's just too many HOLES tom to call it a spinoff-lol

But yet she was Florida on Maude and on GT. To be a spinoff it doesn't have to take place in the same state. And like I said before if there wasn't a Maude there wouldn't be a Good Times.


See the thing that's making me laugh is yall want to debate this but don't want to breakdown why the Evans was living in Chi-town. Why would a Family live in Harlem and move to another Ghetto in a different state? That's called-'MOVIN ON DOWN-LOL

See the thing that's making me laugh is yall want to debate this but don't want to breakdown why the Evans was living in Chi-town. Why would a Family live in Harlem and move to another Ghetto in a different state? That's called-'MOVIN ON DOWN-LOL


I would love to sit here and debate you on this to prove you wrong :lol: but I gotta go start my dinner.

I would love to sit here and debate you on this to prove you wrong :lol: but I gotta go start my dinner.


"We are Movin on Down, to the Southside, to a ran down apartment in the SKY!!!!!-LOL

I would love to sit here and debate you on this to prove you wrong :lol: but I gotta go start my dinner.


This struck me as funny for some reason. LOL. Despite the many holes Solomon thinks the show has, it is still a spinoff.

Well if you feel GT is a spinoff tell me why-lol I'm waiting!!!!!!!!!
Excuse me...IT'S YOUR TURN TO PROVE IT. And no words...WE WANT PROOF...LIKE I SUBMITTED PROOF...NOW, IT'S YOUR TURN BUDDY!;)

But this argument right here is not strong enough to support your theory. The Network had everyright to air the program on whatever day it wished.
Exactly. Air dates don't mean S**t!!!you keep asking for proof from us...u show us REAL PROOF...not what Solomon believes.

Excuse me...IT'S YOUR TURN TO PROVE IT. And no words...WE WANT PROOF...LIKE I SUBMITTED PROOF...NOW, IT'S YOUR TURN BUDDY!;)


Irene can you give me a good reason why the Evans moved from a NY Ghetto to Illinios Ghetto? Shouldn't they have just stayed in Harlem?-lol

If only Norman Lear could post in this thread. :lol:

If only Norman Lear could post in this thread. :lol:



Damm I wish I still had his Cell Phone Number-lol

Irene can you give me a good reason why the Evans moved from a NY Ghetto to Illinios Ghetto? Shouldn't they have just stayed in Harlem?-lol
I am not the writers. I wasn't there when they decided that. I don't need to submit proof. Honey, you provided one piece of proof when you put that TV Guide article on the other thread...LOL That is just one of many. In a court of law perponderous of the evidence is what it is all abt. This may not be a court of law, but it's good enough for me. Why do you keep insisting we answer questions, we submit proof, we we we we...

you show us something other than WHAT YOU THINK.what you think or feel has no bearing on WHAT THE TRUTH IS.
sorry, you can keep asking and asking all you want...you submitted one piece of proof and i bet you are kicking yourself in the ass right now for doing so...:D

I am not the writers. I wasn't there when they decided that. I don't need to submit proof. Honey, you provided one piece of proof when you put that TV Guide article on the other thread...LOL That is just one of many. In a court of law perponderous of the evidence is what it is all abt. This may not be a court of law, but it's good enough for me. Why do you keep insisting we answer questions, we submit proof, we we we we...

you show us something other than WHAT YOU THINK.what you think or feel has no bearing on WHAT THE TRUTH IS.
sorry, you can keep asking and asking all you want...you submitted one piece of proof and i bet you are kicking yourself in the ass right now for doing so...:D



Well whenever want to explain why the Evans were living in Chicago I will be glad to see it.

that article abt the writer Monte who is now homeless is quoted here as saying he grew up in the Chicago projects, maybe, as most writers do, he used something he can identify with and wanted to use his city to have the Evans be from. I know if I was a writer and I could write my own show, I would use what I can identify with. i wouldn't identify with Washington or New York or Florida, but I live here in Calif and that is what I would go with:


Monte says he left the show when production began on 1975's "Cooley High," an autobiographical film he wrote in an attempt to dispel myths about growing up in the projects.

"I grew up in the Cabrini-Green housing project and I had one of the best times of my life, the most fun you can have while inhaling and exhaling," he says.

In all seriousness you got to stop putting the ball in other people's court. we know you will never admit it's a spin-off, so stop asking us to prove it

I am not the writers. I wasn't there when they decided that. I don't need to submit proof. Honey, you provided one piece of proof when you put that TV Guide article on the other thread...LOL That is just one of many. In a court of law perponderous of the evidence is what it is all abt. This may not be a court of law, but it's good enough for me. Why do you keep insisting we answer questions, we submit proof, we we we we...

you show us something other than WHAT YOU THINK.what you think or feel has no bearing on WHAT THE TRUTH IS.
sorry, you can keep asking and asking all you want...you submitted one piece of proof and i bet you are kicking yourself in the ass right now for doing so...:D


Exactly, everyone else has given proof but him. And as I stated before just because Flo and Maude didn't live in the same state DOESN'T mean that GT wasn't a spinoff of Maude. Esther Rolles character derived from Maude so with that, that makes GT a spinoff.

So until he provides some kind of proof, ANY proof that GT wasn't a spinoff, I won't be debating this because it's pointless.

Exactly, everyone else has given proof but him. And as I stated before just because Flo and Maude didn't live in the same state DOESN'T mean that GT wasn't a spinoff of Maude. Esther Rolles character derived from Maude so with that, that makes GT a spinoff.

So until he provides some kind of proof, ANY proof that GT wasn't a spinoff, I won't be debating this because it's pointless.


I never said a character that was spinned off had to live in the same city for it to be a spinoff, I said there was no explanation as to why they were living in a new state. On Maude, They are in Harlem-POOR n then on Good Times-they in Chicago-POOR. Who travels across the country to live in another Ghetto?-lol

I never said a character that was spinned off had to live in the same city for it to be a spinoff, I said there was no explanation as to why they were living in a new state. On Maude, They are in Harlem-POOR n then on Good Times-they in Chicago-POOR. Who travels across the country to live in another Ghetto?-lol

:lol:

Do you not read others post, Irene just explained that :crazy:

:lol:

Do you not read others post, Irene just explained that :crazy:


Whenever Brian Damage comes here this debate will not be over but ONGOING because of the Article I sent him when the Executive Producer says-"It's not really a spinoff" I no longer have it. But Atleast I will have something BACKING ME UP. Brian where the hell are YOU????????????-LOL

Solomon, I already posted what Eric Monte was quoted as saying. He lived in the projects that the Evans are seen living in. He was the writer and he wanted to identify with something he knew. don't you read English anymore? read the post again.

Since you stated TODAY you would post something from Ebony magazine and yet, you haven't...here is a quote from that magazine that I FOUND:




Ebony; 6/1/1991; Stewart, Leisha



Want more results?
Search over 35 million Free and Premium articles. Try a new HighBeam search now.


UPDATE: ESTHER ROLLE

Good Times Continue For |Good Times' Star

Award-winning actress keeps busy with stage, movie and TV roles

PERHAPS no one better proves that there is life after episodic television than actress Esther Rolle. In the '70s, the acclaimed TV, movie and stage star enjoyed huge success for her television role as Florida Evans in Maude and its spinoff, Good Times.

SEE THE WORDS MAUDE AND ITS SPIN-OFF---:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

the same magazine that you keep telling us abt but never show us...LOL

Sorry folks, Solomon is right. Good Times is not a spin-off of Maude.

Solomon, I already posted what Eric Monte was quoted as saying. He lived in the projects that the Evans are seen living in. He was the writer and he wanted to identify with something he knew. don't you read English anymore? read the post again.

Since you stated TODAY you would post something from Ebony magazine and yet, you haven't...here is a quote from that magazine that I FOUND:




Ebony; 6/1/1991; Stewart, Leisha



Want more results?
Search over 35 million Free and Premium articles. Try a new HighBeam search now.


UPDATE: ESTHER ROLLE

Good Times Continue For |Good Times' Star

Award-winning actress keeps busy with stage, movie and TV roles

PERHAPS no one better proves that there is life after episodic television than actress Esther Rolle. In the '70s, the acclaimed TV, movie and stage star enjoyed huge success for her television role as Florida Evans in Maude and its spinoff, Good Times.

SEE THE WORDS MAUDE AND ITS SPIN-OFF---:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

the same magazine that you keep telling us abt but never show us...LOL



Irene, Irene, Irene. I want you to explain why the TV CHARACTERS were no longer living in New York-lol I know the REAL STORY ,lol Come on Irene, I thought you were better than that. I want a explanation as to why the Fictional Characters were in another city.

Sorry folks, Solomon is right. Good Times is not a spin-off of Maude.


Irene is that you-LOL

Irene, Irene, Irene. I want you to explain why the TV CHARACTERS were no longer living in New York-lol I know the REAL STORY ,lol Come on Irene, I thought you were better than that. I want a explanation as to why the Fictional Characters were in another city.
Oh God, Solomon, read the quote from Eric Monte. what is wrong with you! there it is. He was one of the creators and if he wanted to move the characters to another location (one he can identify with) than what difference does it make? And if you are so adamant abt it NOT BEING A SPIN-OFF, why do u insist on asking silly questions that any REAL TV KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON WOULD KNOW THAT IN THE TV WORLD, NOTHING IS CORRECT. NOTHING IS NORMAL. NOTHING STAYS THE SAME. and you call yourself a tvresearcher??? seems to me you should be providing THE PROOF mister. NOT US.

Oh God, Solomon, read the quote from Eric Monte. what is wrong with you! there it is. He was one of the creators and if he wanted to move the characters to another location (one he can identify with) than what difference does it make? And if you are so adamant abt it NOT BEING A SPIN-OFF, why do u insist on asking silly questions that any REAL TV KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON WOULD KNOW THAT IN THE TV WORLD, NOTHING IS CORRECT. NOTHING IS NORMAL. NOTHING STAYS THE SAME. and you call yourself a tvresearcher??? seems to me you should be providing THE PROOF mister. NOT US.



I knew all of that. I know why the show was based in Chicago because of where Monte grew up. So if that's the case why has it been called a spinoff for so many years? If the Situations on both comedies are the complete opposite then it should have never been called a SPINOFF. Which is why Alan Manings, Executive Producer, said it was not a spinoff in 1974

Sorry folks, Solomon is right. Good Times is not a spin-off of Maude.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Get Real

I knew all of that. I know why the show was based in Chicago because of where Monte grew up. So if that's the case why has it been called a spinoff for so many years? If the Situations on both comedies are the complete opposite then it should have never been called a SPINOFF. Which is why Alan Manings, Executive Producer, said it was not a spinoff in 1974


Are you Solomon D ????? :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Get Real



How are you going to argue with the CREATOR?-LOL

How are you going to argue with the CREATOR?-LOL


You didn't answer my question

I knew all of that. I know why the show was based in Chicago because of where Monte grew up. So if that's the case why has it been called a spinoff for so many years? If the Situations on both comedies are the complete opposite then it should have never been called a SPINOFF. Which is why Alan Manings, Executive Producer, said it was not a spinoff in 1974
Why are you asking me? I don't create shows, spin-offs, etc. I am not a television exec or the curator of the television history museum....ask that question to all of those who state IT IS A SPIN-OFF...look on the web, come on Solomon do as your name states: RESEARCH!!! I have not seen one piece of info on the net or in books or on television that IT IS NOTHING BUT A SPIN-OFF. When GT first came on that was all I heard, "spin-off of Maude" everywhere.

YOU OF ALL PEOPLE SOLOMON WHO LOVES TELEVISION AND THE HISTORY OF IT SHOULD KNOW HOW TO RESEARCH AND SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS, WHY IS IT IN A DIFFERENT TOWN, CITY, ETC.

Why are you asking me? I don't create shows, spin-offs, etc. I am not a television exec or the curator of the television history museum....ask that question to all of those who state IT IS A SPIN-OFF...look on the web, come on Solomon do as your name states: RESEARCH!!! I have not seen one piece of info on the net or in books or on television that IT IS NOTHING BUT A SPIN-OFF. When GT first came on that was all I heard, "spin-off of Maude" everywhere.

YOU OF ALL PEOPLE SOLOMON WHO LOVES TELEVISION AND THE HISTORY OF IT SHOULD KNOW HOW TO RESEARCH AND SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS, WHY IS IT IN A DIFFERENT TOWN, CITY, ETC.



Irene there is no research you can do on the web to support your argument. NONE!-lol Maybe you can do some other type of research but defintely not no Internet research.

Solomon did provide me with a legitimate article from a producer of Good Times, Alan Mannings to be exact. Mannings did state that Good Times "was not really a spinoff."

Solomon, buddy you know how I feel about this subject. Good Times was a "fractured spinoff." However, with that said, Solomon has providing a lot of evidence that GT was NOT a spinoff. He does make a legitimate argument. He even had me questioning a couple of times if it was a spinoff. He hasn't turned me to the dark side yet, but Solomon has put up one hell of a fight. lol

I won't take the word of a white producer who didn't create the show. I take the word of a person who wrote their ass off to create a fantastic show. I wouldn't take the word of one disgruntled person over the words of the creator. Would you Brian? If you wrote and created a show and one person out of the hundreds who worked on the show said that abt something YOU CREATED, would you stand for it or be the man that you are and defend your creativity????

Solomon did provide me with a legitimate article from a producer of Good Times, Alan Mannings to be exact. Mannings did state that Good Times "was not really a spinoff."

Solomon, buddy you know how I feel about this subject. Good Times was a "fractured spinoff." However, with that said, Solomon has providing a lot of evidence that GT was NOT a spinoff. He does make a legitimate argument. He even had me questioning a couple of times if it was a spinoff. He hasn't turned me to the dark side yet, but Solomon has put up one hell of a fight. lol



THanks Brian. That's all I want Irene to admit and then we can end this. Irene do you agree I put up a good fight?

That's the thing Irene, Eric Monte did create this show not as a spinoff, but as its own show. I'm sorry, but Solomon does bring up valid points.

That's the thing Irene, Eric Monte did create this show not as a spinoff, but as its own show. I'm sorry, but Solomon does bring up valid points.


ALRIGHT BRIAN!!!, Let's give this man a HAND!!!!!!!-LOL

That's the thing Irene, Eric Monte did create this show not as a spinoff, but as its own show. I'm sorry, but Solomon does bring up valid points.

Eric Monte never states that. where is his quote? He made one episode thinking that was the end of that. He didn't expect it to make great ratings (though i am sure he hoped) so with that, he had to make the changes. Did you not read the quote of Eric Monte that i submitted?

ALRIGHT BRIAN!!!, Let's give this man a HAND!!!!!!!-LOL


I did hear a rumor that Norman Lear said in a Washington Post article in the 70's that GT was not a spinoff. Of course this is only a rumor, but if somebody can get their hands on that, maybe we can finally end this debate. LOL

Eric Monte never states that. where is his quote? He made one episode thinking that was the end of that. He didn't expect it to make great ratings (though i am sure he hoped) so with that, he had to make the changes. Did you not read the quote of Eric Monte that i submitted?


Irene, that is a fact that Good Times was written before Maude. The thing is, they attached it to Maude, therefore making it a spinoff.

Irene, that is a fact that Good Times was written before Maude. The thing is, they attached it to Maude, therefore making it a spinoff.



Exactly, no one can ever say if there was no Maude, there wouldn't be no Good Times. You just can't say it

Exactly, no one can ever say if there was no Maude, there wouldn't be no Good Times. You just can't say it
If there was no Maude THERE WOULDN'T BE NO GOOD TIMES...duh, that is easy to say, no doubt abt it. It's getting you to say that one former white executive saying "really not a spin-off" constitutes nothing but HIS OPINION. Not a fact.

I REALLY think 704 Hauser street is a spin-off of AITF.

If there was no Maude THERE WOULDN'T BE NO GOOD TIMES...duh, that is easy to say, no doubt abt it. It's getting you to say that one former white executive saying "really not a spin-off" constitutes nothing but HIS OPINION. Not a fact.

I REALLY think 704 Hauser street is a spin-off of AITF.



Ok, i meant that Eric Monte's show still would have probably been on the air but with another title, You know the Orginal Title-"The Black Family"

Ok, i meant that Eric Monte's show still would have probably been on the air but with another title, You know the Orginal Title-"The Black Family"
Now that...i will give you props for!!!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If there was no Maude THERE WOULDN'T BE NO GOOD TIMES...duh, that is easy to say, no doubt abt it. It's getting you to say that one former white executive saying "really not a spin-off" constitutes nothing but HIS OPINION. Not a fact.

I REALLY think 704 Hauser street is a spin-off of AITF.

Everything that Brian did say is the truth. This show is still an umbrella under Maude. It does not fall under the tradtion of the spinoff guideline the we know, but the fact that the Evans Names and same actors were used puts it under the category. I even said it was a fractured spinoff. I agree that Solomon puts up one heck of an argument, but there is still a connection with Esther Rolle and John Amos. It is like an adoption or a marriage with one conjoining with the other.

I really do think 704 Hauser is a AITF Spinoff as well.

Everything that Brian did say is the truth. This show is still an umbrella under Maude. It does not fall under the tradtion of the spinoff guideline the we know, but the fact that the Evans Names and same actors were used puts it under the category. I even said it was a fractured spinoff. I agree that Solomon puts up one heck of an argument, but there is still a connection with Esther Rolle and John Amos. It is like an adoption or a marriage with one conjoining with the other.

I really do think 704 Hauser is a AITF Spinoff as well.
:wave: :D

Eric Monte in a interview explained that GT is not a Maude Spin off and he created the show So I will take the word of the Person who created the show.

and also Monte clearly states that GT, was created and already in motion before Maude aired.

But I know many of you will not change your mind about this because its only natural that you would think of GT as a spin off from Maude because that's when American first saw "Floridia".

And as good as televison was back then, the writers and creators were not that good and making a clear connection or disconnection with the "Floridia" Charactor from Maude to GT. And thats why we will always debate this and we will never really know if it is a spin off.

However I do believe that They Used the "Floridia" charactor in Maude to "test the waters" with Rolle and Amos as the two main charactors.

but oh well
any of you who know me on this board know I will never call it a spin off
__________________

By the way GT was already in process of Happening befor Maude even Aired so yes it would have happened

But as you know, Solomon requires proof...i have said I HEARD, I READ, I KNOW, but that isn't acceptable. Where is this article that you read that stated Eric Monte stated that GT is not a spin-off. that is the PROOF THAT WE HAVE WANTED.

By the way GT was already in process of Happening befor Maude even Aired so yes it would have happened


When a Character from one show moves on to their own show, that makes their show a SPIN OFF. So that's what Good Times is, A SPIN OFF.

Eric Monte in a interview explained that GT is not a Maude Spin off and he created the show So I will take the word of the Person who created the show.

and also Monte clearly states that GT, was created and already in motion before Maude aired.

But I know many of you will not change your mind about this because its only natural that you would think of GT as a spin off from Maude because that's when American first saw "Floridia".

And as good as televison was back then, the writers and creators were not that good and making a clear connection or disconnection with the "Floridia" Charactor from Maude to GT. And thats why we will always debate this and we will never really know if it is a spin off.

However I do believe that They Used the "Floridia" charactor in Maude to "test the waters" with Rolle and Amos as the two main charactors.

but oh well
any of you who know me on this board know I will never call it a spin off
__________________



Thanks for your support Trishalla!!!

When a Character from one show moves on to their own show, that makes their show a SPIN OFF. So that's what Good Times is, A SPIN OFF.
Obviously it wasn't the character. It was just the name. And John Amos even had a new name and a new profession so you know he wasn't the same character. Solomon's starting to convert me. :lol:

Obviously it wasn't the character. It was just the name. And John Amos even had a new name and a new profession so you know he wasn't the same character. Solomon's starting to convert me. :lol:


LOL-Good Point Sonny.

Oh Brother, its something Eric Monte Said in an interview, So don't get mad, He said that GT was already created, which means "Floridia" and all the rest of the charactors were already created before Maude aired,

Just because the Charactor, Floridia appeared on Maude first does not make it a spin off, Floridia on Maude and Floridia on GT were two different people.

Oh Brother, its something Eric Monte Said in an interview, So don't get mad, He said that GT was already created, which means "Floridia" and all the rest of the charactors were already created before Maude aired,

Just because the Charactor, Floridia appeared on Maude first does not make it a spin off, Floridia on Maude and Floridia on GT were two different people.


Yup, that's what Executive Producer, Aan Manings said. It said it wasny really a spinoff because the Florida was CHANGED. That wasn't the only thing changed-lol

Besides the name, is there anything else at all that ties the two Florida Evans' characters together? Does she mention her children on Maude? Do we see her husband?

On Good Times, are any references made to her character on Maude?

Besides the name, is there anything else at all that ties the two Florida Evans' characters together? Does she mention her children on Maude? Do we see her husband?

On Good Times, are any references made to her character on Maude?


On Maude she mentioned she had three kids but not whether it was three daughters or one daughter and 2 sons. Her husband on Maude is named HENRY instead of James

Besides the name, is there anything else at all that ties the two Florida Evans' characters together? Does she mention her children on Maude? Do we see her husband?

On Good Times, are any references made to her character on Maude?

She had three children on Maude and her husband was played by John Amos. (Although his name was Henry on Maude)

She also mentioned on GT that she was a former maid.

She had three children on Maude and her husband was played by John Amos. (Although his name was Henry on Maude)

She also mentioned on GT that she was a former maid.



But the way she mentioned it to James on Good Times was like she was a MAID when she was with another guy. She told James because WHEN I WAS A MAID, llke she was telling him something she never knew. How come she couldn't just say-" you know when I worked for Maude I was the best damm maid there was"

But the way she mentioned it to James on Good Times was like she was a MAID when she was with another guy. She told James because WHEN I WAS A MAID, llke she was telling him something she never knew. How come she couldn't just say-" you know when I worked for Maude I was the best damm maid there was"

Now Solomon, that is just nitpicking. The fact is, there is a connection there.

Now Solomon, that is just nitpicking. The fact is, there is a connection there.


But why would she say WHEN I WAS, like James never knew???????????????????????????????????????????????????????-LOL

There is a connection. It is still in the spinoff category.

But why would she say WHEN I WAS, like James never knew???????????????????????????????????????????????????????-LOL


Because that's what a normal person would say.

There is a connection. It is still in the spinoff category.


Tom the Debate is Over. Monte's Article was discovered and now well you know the rest-lol

Tom the Debate is Over. Monte's Article was discovered and now well you know the rest-lol
and Norman Lear has even come on the board to second it. :lol:

and Norman Lear has even come on the board to second it. :lol:


LOL

The debate is not over, the show was taken right from under Monte's feet, so technically, it wasn't his show anymore, it was Norman Lear's. There is still a connection.

She did Mention that she was a Maid on GT But the whole story that is explained in different episodes that explain past experiences, with Floridia and James do not match up with the Charactors in Maude they just don't.

Now I can understand if you want to say that maybe the Charactors Name was a spin off, But the Floridia Maude and GT Floridia are two different charactors.

I know if hard for some of you, But this comes down to the producers and creators of the show not really Making that clear connection of a spin off,

And I feel that the line is blured with the Maude to GT, because many of you think because the charactors name was carried over from Maude that it is a spin off. And lets not forget John Amos Charactor "HENRY" was changed to James in GT. Now I could even go for GT being a Maude Spin off if the name Henry was spinned off into GT as well, But is was changed to James Which disconnects the Charactor from GT from being a spinn off from Maude.

But the Name "FLORIDIA" was truly the only thing the spinned off into GT because Floridia Maude, and GT Floridia are two different charactors and two different people.

Wow, I missed a whole lot-lol

The debate is not over, the show was taken right from under Monte's feet, so technically, it wasn't his show anymore, it was Norman Lear's. There is still a connection.


Exactly :)

Monte is still the Original Creator and GT was created before Maude was even Aired.

Now Lear May have Use Monte's Characters from GT

But the Point is that Lear Had to Take From a Show that was Already in the process happening and was already created

So were is GT Spinning off from.

Lear had to add characters from a show that already existed but was not on the air yet (which in this case GT) to the show Maude.

The point is that the GT characters were already created Before anyone even saw Floridia on Maude.

Monte is still the Original Creator and GT was created before Maude was even Aired.

Now Lear May have Use Monte's Characters from GT

But the Point is that Lear Had to Take From a Show that was Already in the process happening and was already created

So were is GT Spinning off from.

Lear had to add characters from a show that already existed but was not on the air yet (which in this case GT) to the show Maude.

The point is that the GT characters were already created Before anyone even saw Floridia on Maude.


Lear STOLE Monte's idea for GT and made it his own. They even went to court for Lear stealing GT's from Monte in which Monte got a 1 million dollar settlement. So the fact that Lear took the the whole GT thing from Monte and he turned it into his own made GT a spinoff of Maude.

How could Lear Steal an Ideal when GT was already created, and already in the process of happening, because Lear did not create GT, Mike Evans and Monte did.

The Characters for GT were already created before Maude aired and we saw Floridia on Maude.

But hey, if you want to believe Lear go head,

But Lear is not the Creator or Originator of GT.

This show came from the Mind of ME and Monte.

As far as we know right now
one of the two original creators have come out and said it is clearly not a spin off

and until more prove comes out to prove it is a spin off
then its not

Its like saying Charles in Charge is a spin off from Happy Days

The Characters in Maude are different than in Good Times and it is clear

If GT is a Spin off from Maude how come in GT the closest we get to a mention of anything coming close to Identifing a connection to the show Maude is when Floridia says she use to be a maid. She never said she use to work for Maude as a maid. Maude was never Mention.


IN AITF, The Jefferson's, and Maude
there was a clear Connection between those shows because, each of those shows made reference to the show in which it originally came from.

But when it comes to Maude and GT
GT never talked or Mentioned Maude at anytime

How could Lear Steal an Ideal when GT was already created, and already in the process of happening, because Lear did not create GT, Mike Evans and Monte did.

The Characters for GT were already created before Maude aired and we saw Floridia on Maude.

But hey, if you want to believe Lear go head,

But Lear is not the Creator or Originator of GT.

This show came from the Mind of ME and Monte.

As far as we know right now
one of the two original creators have come out and said it is clearly not a spin off

and until more prove comes out to prove it is a spin off
then its not

Its like saying Charles in Charge is a spin off from Happy Days

The Characters in Maude are different than in Good Times and it is clear

If GT is a Spin off from Maude how come in GT the closest we get to a mention of anything coming close to Identifing a connection to the show Maude is when Floridia says she use to be a maid. She never said she use to work for Maude as a maid. Maude was never Mention.


IN AITF, The Jefferson's, and Maude
there was a clear Connection between those shows because, each of those shows made reference to the show in which it originally came from.

But when it comes to Maude and GT
GT never talked or Mentioned Maude at anytime

It doesn't have to mention Maude to be a spinoff, so I don't know where you are going with that.

How could Lear Steal an Ideal when GT was already created, and already in the process of happening, because Lear did not create GT, Mike Evans and Monte did.

The Characters for GT were already created before Maude aired and we saw Floridia on Maude.

But hey, if you want to believe Lear go head,

But Lear is not the Creator or Originator of GT.

This show came from the Mind of ME and Monte.

As far as we know right now
one of the two original creators have come out and said it is clearly not a spin off

and until more prove comes out to prove it is a spin off
then its not

Its like saying Charles in Charge is a spin off from Happy Days

The Characters in Maude are different than in Good Times and it is clear

If GT is a Spin off from Maude how come in GT the closest we get to a mention of anything coming close to Identifing a connection to the show Maude is when Floridia says she use to be a maid. She never said she use to work for Maude as a maid. Maude was never Mention.


IN AITF, The Jefferson's, and Maude
there was a clear Connection between those shows because, each of those shows made reference to the show in which it originally came from.

But when it comes to Maude and GT
GT never talked or Mentioned Maude at anytime

It came out of Monte's own mouth that Lear stole his idea for GT. And so with that Lear turned "The Black Family" around and made it his own and called it GT, which was spunoff from Maude. So that will make GT a Spinoff.

It doesn't have to mention Maude to be a spinoff, so I don't know where you are going with that.

Yes it does

AITF, The Jefferson's and Maude

All connected which Made it a clear spin off

Since many of you have so much faith in what Lear is saying

Why would'nt he make a clear connection to spin off GT from Maude.

and there is no clear connection
there is not
never has been

The only thing that is the Same is the Name thats it
the two charactors are not the same.

Yes it does

AITF, The Jefferson's and Maude

All connected which Made it a clear spin off

Since many of you have so much faith in what Lear is saying

Why would'nt he make a clear connection to spin off GT from Maude.

and there is no clear connection
there is not
never has been

The only thing that is the Same is the Name thats it
the two charactors are not the same.


I don't ever remember Mork on Mork an Mindy mention Richie Cunningham. So you don't have to mention characters from another sitcom in order for it to be a spin off or Not.

Yes it does

No it doesn't, show me where it says that a spinoff HAS to mention its parent show to be considered a spinoff. If you can't do that, you have zero argument.

I don't ever remember Mork on Mork an Mindy mention Richie Cunningham. So you don't have to mention characters from another sitcom in order for it to be a spin off or Not.
He did mention the Fonz on the first episode and Henry Winkler guest starred as did Penny Marshall as Laverne.

Ok

If Lear, who has spinned off so many shows and has made a clear connection of where the show is spinning off from,

Please answer why he would not make a clear connection with Maude spinning off GT.

When Lear spinned off the Jefferson's from All in the Family, it was crystal clear where the show was spinning off from.

When Lear spinned off Maude from All in the Family, it was crystal clear where the show was spinning off from.

Now we get down to Maude,
and Lear has a lasp of Meomery of how to spin off a show and just doesn't make a clear connection like he did when All in the Family spinned off the Jefferson's and Maude.

If Lear is spinning off GT from Maude, why would he do it in the same excact way he did the Jefferson's and Maude.

Please Explain that.

You Guys

Just because Rolle and Amos were in Maude doesn't make GT a spin off from Maude

They did not put the same characters from Maude into GT
Now if they did
then I could call it a spin off but they didn't so there for it is not

Many of you are looking at the fact that Rolle and Amos Play a part in Maude but are forgeting that Florida and Henry in Maude are two different People than James and Florida in GT

Monte is still the Original Creator and GT was created before Maude was even Aired.

Now Lear May have Use Monte's Characters from GT

But the Point is that Lear Had to Take From a Show that was Already in the process happening and was already created

So were is GT Spinning off from.

Lear had to add characters from a show that already existed but was not on the air yet (which in this case GT) to the show Maude.

The point is that the GT characters were already created Before anyone even saw Floridia on Maude.


And before anyone saw Maude on All in the Family-lol

I don't ever remember Mork on Mork an Mindy mention Richie Cunningham. So you don't have to mention characters from another sitcom in order for it to be a spin off or Not.


WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!, The Fonz guest starred in the first episode of Mork and Mindy

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!, The Fonz guest starred in the first episode of Mork and Mindy
plus spin-off shows usually have the pilot air on the parent program or at least have an episode to introduce the characters like AITF did with Maude and The Jeffersons. Even with FM their was an episode that introduced Carl as Harriets husband on PS.

plus spin-off shows usually have the pilot air on the parent program or at least have an episode to introduce the characters like AITF did with Maude and The Jeffersons. Even with FM their was an episode that introduced Carl as Harriets husband on PS.


Someone should have told Esther Rolle she can't keep the name Florida because the New Comedy has to connection to the show you were a maid on.

Ok

If Lear, who has spinned off so many shows and has made a clear connection of where the show is spinning off from,

Please answer why he would not make a clear connection with Maude spinning off GT.

When Lear spinned off the Jefferson's from All in the Family, it was crystal clear where the show was spinning off from.

When Lear spinned off Maude from All in the Family, it was crystal clear where the show was spinning off from.

Now we get down to Maude,
and Lear has a lasp of Meomery of how to spin off a show and just doesn't make a clear connection like he did when All in the Family spinned off the Jefferson's and Maude.

If Lear is spinning off GT from Maude, why would he do it in the same excact way he did the Jefferson's and Maude.

Please Explain that.

What's there to explain? He took the two characters from Maude and put them into a sitcom he took from Eric Monte. You are the one who needs to explain why Rolle wanted to keep the name Florida Evans. Florida isn't a common name like Mary or Beth.

Please Explain...

I don't know why people are just flossing over the fact that Norm Lear STOLE the whole Good Times idea/theme from Monte and Mike. He turned "The Black Family" into his own show, which he spun off of Maude.

"Lou Grant" was a spin off of MTM was MTM ever on the show? LOL

I don't know why people are just flossing over the fact that Norm Lear STOLE the whole Good Times idea/theme from Monte and Mike. He turned "The Black Family" into his own show, which he spun off of Maude.

"Lou Grant" was a spin off of MTM was MTM ever on the show? LOL


Lou Grant was still a connected to MTM

I don't know why people are just flossing over the fact that Norm Lear STOLE the whole Good Times idea/theme from Monte and Mike. He turned "The Black Family" into his own show, which he spun off of Maude.

"Lou Grant" was a spin off of MTM was MTM ever on the show? LOL
on the first episode Lou mentioned where he worked before.

What's there to explain? He took the two characters from Maude and put them into a sitcom he took from Eric Monte. You are the one who needs to explain why Rolle wanted to keep the name Florida Evans. Florida isn't a common name like Mary or Beth.

Please Explain...
No
I can see why your screen name is brian damage

You did not read the post did you

first of all why didn't the Amos character keep the name Henry Evans why was it changed ( which you have no answer for that because Henry Evans is a different character than James Evans in GT)

If it is truly a spin off Lear would have made a clear connection between Maude and GT

So tell me why he did not make the connection that would qualify it as a spin off

Why didn't use the same story line in Maude to spin off GT

And don't give me the line of "He spinned off the Characters"

or "He spinned off the Names used in Maude"

Because then He is just spinning off the name of the characters ( or in this case only one name FLORIDA EVANS BECAUSE A NEW CHARACTER NAMED JAMES APPEARS IN GT, BECAUSE JAMES AND HENRY ARE TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS) or he would be spinning off the characters.

Which would not be a spin off.

LEAR HAS BEEN VERY CAREFUL WHEN IT COMES TO DOING STORY LINES THAT SPIN OFF A SHOW.

and there is no clear connection with Maude and GT

I can see why your screen name is brian damage

Way to go with the personal insult. That was uncalled for and rude. :rolleyes:

Blah, Blah, Blah

The same old tired excuses. I am still waiting for you to show me proof and in written law that a spinoff MUST have a definite connection to its parent show. Things change and names were tweaked. But Florida is still Florida and no matter what kind of hyperbole you give me, that is still the same. Florida Evans is still Florida Evans even if characters around her change. Besides, Henry did make a come back on Good Times, his father was named Henry. If you were so desperate to separate the two shows, why make some glaring similarities?

PS, when losing a debate, please don't resort to name calling Trishalla, it makes you look weak.

Way to go with the personal insult. That was uncalled for and rude. :rolleyes:


That's a sign to me that she can't properly explain herself, therefore needs to resort to name calling. She has no leg to stand on. Besides, Solomon in the past has made better arguments than this girl. She is a weak debater.

Blah, Blah, Blah

The same old tired excuses. I am still waiting for you to show me proof and in written law that a spinoff MUST have a definite connection to its parent show. Things change and names were tweaked. But Florida is still Florida and no matter what kind of hyperbole you give me, that is still the same. Florida Evans is still Florida Evans even if characters around her change. Besides, Henry did make a come back on Good Times, his father was named Henry. If you were so desperate to separate the two shows, why make some glaring similarities?

PS, when losing a debate, please don't resort to name calling Trishalla, it makes you look weak.
BUT YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT THAT GOOD TIMES IS NOT A SPIN OFF FROM MAUDE

HENRY, WAS JAMES FATHER
SO WAS FLORIDA MARRIED TO JAMES FATHER HENRY

NO I DON'T THINK SO

ITS NOT AND DON'T GET MAD AT ME BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT COME UP WITH REAL POINTS TO ARGUE IN THIS DISCUSSION.

AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT MADE THE CLEAR CONNECTION WITH MAUDE SPINNING OFF GT

WHEN YOU DO THAT I WILL LISTEN

THINK ABOUT HOW THE SHOW CONNECTS OR HOW IT DOESN'T CONNECT

EXPLAIN

I HAVE EXPLAINED IN DETAIL AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT COME UP WITH A REAL ANSWER OF HOW IT IS A SPIN OFF

BUT YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT THAT GOOD TIMES IS NOT A SPIN OFF FROM MAUDE

HENRY, WAS JAMES FATHER
SO WAS FLORIDA MARRIED TO JAMES FATHER HENRY

NO I DON'T THINK SO

ITS NOT AND DON'T GET MAD AT ME BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT COME UP WITH REAL POINTS TO ARGUE IN THIS DISCUSSION.

AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT MADE THE CLEAR CONNECTION WITH MAUDE SPINNING OFF GT

WHEN YOU DO THAT I WILL LISTEN

THINK ABOUT HOW THE SHOW CONNECTS OR HOW IT DOESN'T CONNECT

EXPLAIN

I HAVE EXPLAINED IN DETAIL AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT COME UP WITH A REAL ANSWER OF HOW IT IS A SPIN OFF


Whats with all the caption? :lol:

At the end of the day I will always think that GT was a Spinoff of Maude and others may think different. I'm a stubborn person and I just won't move on this topic. Monte has said that Lear STOLE STOLE STOLE STOLE STOLE STOLE his idea for GT, and with that statement from Monte I think that Lear ran away with it and made GT, a Spinoff of Maude.

There's no rule that says that a spinoff idea has to come before or after the parent show. In order for a show to be a spin off a character or some form of a character from another show has to go off onto their own thing. I think that Florida Evans went off and made GT's history.

Whats with all the caption? :lol:

At the end of the day I will always think that GT was a Spinoff of Maude and others may think different. I'm a stubborn person and I just won't move on this topic. Monte has said that Lear STOLE STOLE STOLE STOLE STOLE STOLE his idea for GT, and with that statement from Monte I think that Lear ran away with it and made GT, a Spinoff of Maude.

There's no rule that says that a spinoff idea has to come before or after the parent show. In order for a show to be a spin off a character or some form of a character from another show has to go off onto their own thing. I think that Florida Evans went off and made GT's history.


you people do not pay attention to anything and its clear
I have explained and you come up with short silly answers that make no sense.

with this whole thing of "there is no rule that says a spin off idea has to come before or after a parent show"

Yes it does because Lear Did the same thing with AITF spinning of the Jefferson's and AITF spinning off Maude.

So Lear set rule of what is a spinn off is when he did the Jefferson's, and Maude.

GT was already happening before Maude even aired, and any of you saw Florida on Maude.

For crying out loud they were already taping GT before Maude hit the air.

You guys think because its the same actors it is a spin off

its Not.

And I'm finished because No one has an answer of how it is a spin off
when you get one let me know

But i'm sure you won't

you people do not pay attention to anything and its clear
I have explained and you come up with short silly answers that make no sense.

with this whole thing of "there is no rule that says a spin off idea has to come before or after a parent show"

Yes it does because Lear Did the same thing with AITF spinning of the Jefferson's and AITF spinning off Maude.

So Lear set rule of what is a spinn off is when he did the Jefferson's, and Maude.

GT was already happening before Maude even aired, and any of you saw Florida on Maude.

Thank God you are finished, now maybe we can have a real debate with people who know what they speak of. I don't agree with Solomon, but at least he makes so valid points. Trishalla just goes in a circle with no proof.

For crying out loud they were already taping GT before Maude hit the air.

You guys think because its the same actors it is a spin off

its Not.

And I'm finished because No one has an answer of how it is a spin off
when you get one let me know

But i'm sure you won't

you people do not pay attention to anything and its clear
I have explained and you come up with short silly answers that make no sense.

with this whole thing of "there is no rule that says a spin off idea has to come before or after a parent show"

Yes it does because Lear Did the same thing with AITF spinning of the Jefferson's and AITF spinning off Maude.

So Lear set rule of what is a spinn off is when he did the Jefferson's, and Maude.

GT was already happening before Maude even aired, and any of you saw Florida on Maude.

For crying out loud they were already taping GT before Maude hit the air.

You guys think because its the same actors it is a spin off

its Not.

And I'm finished because No one has an answer of how it is a spin off
when you get one let me know

But i'm sure you won't


Thank God you are finished, now maybe we can have a real debate with people who know what they speak of. I don't agree with Solomon, but at least he makes so valid points. Trishalla just goes in a circle with no proof.

you people do not pay attention to anything and its clear
I have explained and you come up with short silly answers that make no sense.

with this whole thing of "there is no rule that says a spin off idea has to come before or after a parent show"

Yes it does because Lear Did the same thing with AITF spinning of the Jefferson's and AITF spinning off Maude.

So Lear set rule of what is a spinn off is when he did the Jefferson's, and Maude.

GT was already happening before Maude even aired, and any of you saw Florida on Maude.

For crying out loud they were already taping GT before Maude hit the air.

You guys think because its the same actors it is a spin off

its Not.

And I'm finished because No one has an answer of how it is a spin off
when you get one let me know

But i'm sure you won't


I'm not slow, deaf or dumb, I know the difference between an ACTOR and a CHARACTER.

And I'm saying that FLORIDA EVANS was spun off into her own show.

I think Trishalla wants Brian or Brieanna to explain how the Evans ended up in Chicago instead of saying -"Florida was Maude' Maid. To make the debate more interesting just trying to come up with a explanation for the Evans not living in NY but in Chicago

As I've explained to you before Solomon, they took Florida Evans and gave her her own show. The show just so happen to be The Black Family and it was changed to Good Times. The setting was all set.

As I've explained to you before Solomon, they took Florida Evans and gave her her own show. The show just so happen to be The Black Family and it was changed to Good Times. The setting was all set.


I want you to say something else besides that-lol Give me another reason

I'm not slow, deaf or dumb, I know the difference between an ACTOR and a CHARACTER.

And I'm saying that FLORIDA EVANS was spun off into her own show.
Whoa!!! Brie is definitely not dumb, slow or anything of the sort. I understand her hypothesis. Afterall, it is my feeling as well.

However, I always maintained that if the creator himself stated it wasn't a spin-off, then I would throw in the towel.

I am confused though, how did Norman Lear figure into GT????

Whoa!!! Brie is definitely not dumb, slow or anything of the sort. I understand her hypothesis. Afterall, it is my feeling as well.

However, I always maintained that if the creator himself stated it wasn't a spin-off, then I would throw in the towel.

I am confused though, how did Norman Lear figure into GT????

Monte said that while Mike Evans was on AITF, Monte gave Mike a script to give to Lear to read. Lear liked it but instead of going with Monte's "The Black Family" Lear went off and came up with Good Times. So Monte sued Lear for stealing his idea and Monte received a million dollar settlement and Mike and Monte were noted as Creators, that also went along with the settlement.

I want you to say something else besides that-lol Give me another reason

Why give you another reason, when that is the reason. I am not going to deal in fantasy and say something like Henry got fired as from his job and ran off to Chicago.

Explain why Florida Evans was used. I want to hear why that name of all names, was used.

Why give you another reason, when that is the reason. I am not going to deal in fantasy and say something like Henry got fired as from his job and ran off to Chicago.

Explain why Florida Evans was used. I want to hear why that name of all names, was used.


I think that's what Trishalla wanted you to do, try and connect the two shows with different scenarios

Monte said that while Mike Evans was on AITF, Monte gave Mike a script to give to Lear to read. Lear liked it but instead of going with Monte's "The Black Family" Lear went off and came up with Good Times. So Monte sued Lear for stealing his idea and Monte received a million dollar settlement and Mike and Monte were noted as Creators, that also went along with the settlement.
Ah, sweet and simple. Thanx.

I think that's what Trishalla wanted you to do, try and connect the two shows with different scenarios

Solomon, you yourself has said that this debate will never be over until we hear from Norman Lear and that hasn't happened yet. lol

I think Trishalla wants Brian or Brieanna to explain how the Evans ended up in Chicago instead of saying -"Florida was Maude' Maid. To make the debate more interesting just trying to come up with a explanation for the Evans not living in NY but in Chicago
Thank you Solomon,

I just want a real explaination of your reasoning for calling it a spin off

Because I have yet to see a real answer of how it is

I have been wanting many of you to think and give me a real analysis of how it is a spin I have given mine.

without using the same reasoning that many of you have been using.

if you go back thru the many boards on this topic Many people who think that Maude did not spin of GT have really given a real analysis of why

But many have not thats all I'm saying sorry if I offended anyone by getting rough But. I want people to think deeply on this ussue.

Thank You

I thought the debate was over until I heard that John Amos appeared on Maude, and that Florida referred to being a maid, on Good Times. Now I'm skeptical again. A few things in my mind might help me make sense of this.

Who owns the show? On the DVDs, is it written on the cases anywhere that Good Times is a spin-off of Maude? Does the person who owns the DVDs also own the show itself? If it's Norman Lear, then he had to okay what was written on his product.

Does Norman Lear have a book out? If he does, and it states anywhere that it's a spin-off, the debate ends there.

Eric Monte created the show, but it seems to me that the person who developed it (Lear) is the one who has the final say if it's a spin-off, or not.

As for the other inconsistencies (location change, Jame's name and occupation), I'm not so sure that's so significant.

Are there other spin-off shows where inconsistencies such as these exist?

I thought the debate was over until I heard that John Amos appeared on Maude, and that Florida referred to being a maid, on Good Times. Now I'm skeptical again. A few things in my mind might help me make sense of this.

Who owns the show? On the DVDs, is it written on the cases anywhere that Good Times is a spin-off of Maude? Does the person who owns the DVDs also own the show itself? If it's Norman Lear, then he had to okay what was written on his product.

Does Norman Lear have a book out? If he does, and it states anywhere that it's a spin-off, the debate ends there.

Eric Monte created the show, but it seems to me that the person who developed it (Lear) is the one who has the final say if it's a spin-off, or not.

As for the other inconsistencies (location change, Jame's name and occupation), I'm not so sure that's so significant.

Are there other spin-off shows where inconsistencies such as these exist?


That is an excellent point Janice, the dvd's themselves say it is a spinoff. Why sell something that has such an inaccuracy? I will admit, it wasn't your traditional spinoff, but the one thing that cannot be ignored is Florida Evans. If her name was changed from Florida to say Rebecca, then you would have a point. However, there are some similarities with the two characters, she was a maid on Maude, she was a former maid on Good Times. She had three children on Maude, she had three children on Good Times. I will admit that Solomon makes a strong argument, butwhy would the company that distributed the dvds make such a glaring mistake without being corrected? That's like if the Michael Richards Show came out with a dvd and it said it was a spinoff of Seinfeld. That is completely incorrect and somebody would make sure that was corrected.

That is an excellent point Janice, the dvd's themselves say it is a spinoff. Why sell something that has such an inaccuracy? I will admit, it wasn't your traditional spinoff, but the one thing that cannot be ignored is Florida Evans. If her name was changed from Florida to say Rebecca, then you would have a point. However, there are some similarities with the two characters, she was a maid on Maude, she was a former maid on Good Times. She had three children on Maude, she had three children on Good Times. I will admit that Solomon makes a strong argument, butwhy would the company that distributed the dvds make such a glaring mistake without being corrected? That's like if the Michael Richards Show came out with a dvd and it said it was a spinoff of Seinfeld. That is completely incorrect and somebody would make sure that was corrected.
I mentioned the exact same thing on another thread. Why after all these years with almost every reference of GT being mentioned AS A SPIN-OFF, would no one stand up and say "Hey, it's NOT A SPIN-OFF!!!!" Why allow something to be called something it isn't?????? If you check the web, every reference is made to GT being a spin-off. The DVD's sure call it that.

does it have to do with the Norman Lear "stealing" story?

Like I said, the creator himself in that interview states it isn't a spin-off. Now, if someone stole the idea and turned it into their own show, than what that person decides to call it, is on them. But Monte himself stated it isn't.

someone needs to check a Norman Lear book.

I mentioned the exact same thing on another thread. Why after all these years with almost every reference of GT being mentioned AS A SPIN-OFF, would no one stand up and say "Hey, it's NOT A SPIN-OFF!!!!" Why allow something to be called something it isn't?????? If you check the web, every reference is made to GT being a spin-off. The DVD's sure call it that.

does it have to do with the Norman Lear "stealing" story?

Like I said, the creator himself in that interview states it isn't a spin-off. Now, if someone stole the idea and turned it into their own show, than what that person decides to call it, is on them. But Monte himself stated it isn't.

someone needs to check a Norman Lear book.


I personally feel that Monte doesn't want to have anything to do with Lear or have his name attached to anything htat Lear has done because of the bitterness that he has against him. So it didn't shock me to see where Monte said that it wasn't a spin off. Other celebs that Monte worked with in the past said that Monte has to get over his bitterness that he has.

But the fact that Lear ran off with Good Times and made it his own, and he gave Esther her own show, I believe that he spun Esther roles character off.

I thought the debate was over until I heard that John Amos appeared on Maude, and that Florida referred to being a maid, on Good Times. Now I'm skeptical again. A few things in my mind might help me make sense of this.

Who owns the show? On the DVDs, is it written on the cases anywhere that Good Times is a spin-off of Maude? Does the person who owns the DVDs also own the show itself? If it's Norman Lear, then he had to okay what was written on his product.

Does Norman Lear have a book out? If he does, and it states anywhere that it's a spin-off, the debate ends there.

Eric Monte created the show, but it seems to me that the person who developed it (Lear) is the one who has the final say if it's a spin-off, or not.

As for the other inconsistencies (location change, Jame's name and occupation), I'm not so sure that's so significant.

Are there other spin-off shows where inconsistencies such as these exist?


No Janice

I personally feel that Monte doesn't want to have anything to do with Lear or have his name attached to anything htat Lear has done because of the bitterness that he has against him. So it didn't shock me to see where Monte said that it wasn't a spin off. Other celebs that Monte worked with in the past said that Monte has to get over his bitterness that he has.

But the fact that Lear ran off with Good Times and made it his own, and he gave Esther her own show, I believe that he spun Esther roles character off.



The Two characters were not SPINNED OFF Maude, they were WRITTEN OFF Maude. Big Difference

The Two characters were not SPINNED OFF Maude, they were WRITTEN OFF Maude. Big Difference

I think that she Was spun off into her own show Period.

I think that she Was spun off into her own show Period.



I see you don't know the difference between characters being WRITTEN off and characters being SPINNED off.

I see you don't know the difference between characters being WRITTEN off and characters being SPINNED off.


I know the difference, I comprehend things very well. I just don't follow behind others when I believe what I WANT to believe. Just respect the fact that I believe that GT was a spin off, I can't help it if I don't follow the Gospel of Solomon.

I know the difference, I comprehend things very well. I just don't follow behind others when I believe what I WANT to believe. Just respect the fact that I believe that GT was a spin off, I can't help it if I don't follow the Gospel of Solomon.


Watch Esther Rolle last ep on Maude and her first ep on Good Times and then email so we can have a conversation.

Watch Esther Rolle last ep on Maude and her first ep on Good Times and then email so we can have a conversation.


I've seen both, and I will always believe that GT was a spinoff of Maude. Just accept the fact that I don't agree with you and will not agree with you on this topic.

I've seen both, and I will always believe that GT was a spinoff of Maude. Just accept the fact that I don't agree with you and will not agree with you on this topic.


Or until I provide a quote from Norman Lear-lol

I think inconsistencies on a show are common, spin-off or not. On The Odd Couple, they had Oscar and Felix as childhood friends...then they met at jury duty.

On Roseanne, David was introduced as Kevin in his first appearance.

On The Cosby Show, they started out with four children, which magically turned into five.

On Frasier, his father was a retired cop. While on Cheers, Frasier referred to his father as a scientist who was deceased.

Anyone know what happened to Chuck Cunningham?

Writers, producer, directors, etc...make errors and changes. Sometimes they explain them, sometimes they don't.

On Good Times, James couldn't be a fireman. It would have gone against the premise of him trying to find steady employment. Who knows why they based them in Chicago. Isn't Eric Monte from that area or something.

It could be that those who don't think it's a spin-off are overthinking it. Changes are made all the times on shows.

Sometimes, we have to suspend disbelief with movies and tv, and just sort of go with it.

I think inconsistencies on a show are common, spin-off or not. On The Odd Couple, they had Oscar and Felix as childhood friends...then they met at jury duty.

On Roseanne, David was introduced as Kevin in his first appearance.

On The Cosby Show, they started out with four children, which magically turned into five.

On Frasier, his father was a retired cop. While on Cheers, Frasier referred to his father as a scientist who was deceased.

Anyone know what happened to Chuck Cunningham?

Writers, producer, directors, etc...make errors and changes. Sometimes they explain them, sometimes they don't.

On Good Times, James couldn't be a fireman. It would have gone against the premise of him trying to find steady employment. Who knows why they based them in Chicago. Isn't Eric Monte from that area or something.

It could be that those who don't think it's a spin-off are overthinking it. Changes are made all the times on shows.

Sometimes, we have to suspend disbelief with movies and tv, and just sort of go with it.



All bad examples Janice because none of those shows are spinoffs.

All bad examples Janice because none of those shows are spinoffs.
Fraiser is a spinoff. It doesn't matter anyway. My point is that nothing is perfect. There are inconsistencies in many shows. There were more similarities than inconsistencies on Good Times regarding its status as a spinoff.

A location change. No big deal.

James' name and occupation. Just writers doing what they had to do to make it work.

Fraiser is a spinoff. It doesn't matter anyway. My point is that nothing is perfect. There are inconsistencies in many shows. There were more similarities than inconsistencies on Good Times regarding its status as a spinoff.

A location change. No big deal.

James' name and occupation. Just writers doing what they had to do to make it work.



Location change No big Deal?-lol The Location switch was from one GHETTO(HARLEM) to another GHETTO(CHICAGO). The Key thing here Janice is that a LOW INCOME Family can't afford to move to another STATE. Sorry Janice Try Again-LOL Talk To Me

Location change No big Deal?-lol The Location switch was from one GHETTO(HARLEM) to another GHETTO(CHICAGO). The Key thing here Janice is that a LOW INCOME Family can't afford to move to another STATE. Sorry Janice Try Again-LOL Talk To Me
You're overthinking it Solomon. It's not an exact science. As I've stated, there were a few inconsistencies. It doesn't mean it wasn't a spinoff.

Changes are part of television. You may see an actor play a couple of different roles on one show. Things like that happen all the time.

Florida Evans was a maid on Maude, with three kids, and John Amos playing her husband.
She ended up as Florida Evans, a former maid, on Good Times, with three kids, and John Amos playing her husband.

Come on Solomon. Get real here. Give it up. It's such a spinoff. :D

You're overthinking it Solomon. It's not an exact science. As I've stated, there were a few inconsistencies. It doesn't mean it wasn't a spinoff.

Changes are part of television. You may see an actor play a couple of different roles on one show. Things like that happen all the time.

Florida Evans was a maid on Maude, with three kids, and John Amos playing her husband.
She ended up as Florida Evans, a former maid, on Good Times, with three kids, and John Amos playing her husband.

Come on Solomon. Get real here. Give it up. It's such a spinoff. :D


I understand what your talking about and the Fraiser example is a GREAT example, the fact that on Cheers Fraiser was an only child also, wasn't he?? and then all of a sudden he has a brother and a father that's alive.

Writers change things to make it fit the show and to make it work.

You're overthinking it Solomon. It's not an exact science. As I've stated, there were a few inconsistencies. It doesn't mean it wasn't a spinoff.

Changes are part of television. You may see an actor play a couple of different roles on one show. Things like that happen all the time.

Florida Evans was a maid on Maude, with three kids, and John Amos playing her husband.
She ended up as Florida Evans, a former maid, on Good Times, with three kids, and John Amos playing her husband.

Come on Solomon. Get real here. Give it up. It's such a spinoff. :D


Can you explain why they were no longer in Harlem? Connect the dots for me Janice-lol

I understand what your talking about and the Fraiser example is a GREAT example, the fact that on Cheers Fraiser was an only child also, wasn't he?? and then all of a sudden he has a brother and a father that's alive.

Writers change things to make it fit the show and to make it work.
I recall something about Frasier's brother, but I'm unclear on that. There was something else about Frasier's mother. On Cheers, his mother made an appearance as an old woman who threatened Diane. Yet on Frasier, she supposedly had died years ago, as a younger woman.

I guess Frasier was NOT a spinoff of Cheers. :lol:

Can you explain why they were no longer in Harlem? Connect the dots for me Janice-lol
You're not getting it Solomon. These oddities have no answers. I can play Q&A with you all day about things that don't make sense in shows.

Can you explain why they were no longer in Harlem? Connect the dots for me Janice-lol


Did you not read her post about inconstancies in shows.

Can you explain why they were no longer in Harlem? Connect the dots for me Janice-lol
that's kinda going in circles there. that has nothing to do with a show being a spin-off or not. It was never an issue with me abt Harlem, Chicago, Florida, etc. My idea has always been HOW DID GOOD TIMES COME ABT? was it due to the character from Maude? Was the character made with someone else in mind and Ester ended up being the one to get the role? those are the issues, not the little things that make no difference in tv land.

I recall something about Frasier's brother, but I'm unclear on that. There was something else about Frasier's mother. On Cheers, his mother made an appearance as an old woman who threatened Diane. Yet on Frasier, she supposedly had died years ago, as a younger woman.

I guess Frasier was NOT a spinoff of Cheers. :lol:


Fraiser had minor inconsistencies, Good Times HUGE INCONSISTENCIES. Diiferent names, Different Locations WITHOUT explanation. And don't you think the writers ould have tried to explain things on Good Times if it was a spinoff? The Writers had no intention of explaining why the Amos character was named Henry on Maude because Good Times a not connected to Maude.

I guess Frasier was NOT a spinoff of Cheers. :lol:


:lol: :lol:Good one:lol: :lol:

Fraiser had minor inconsistencies, Good Times HUGE INCONSISTENCIES. Diiferent names, Different Locations WITHOUT explanation. And don't you think the writers ould have tried to explain things on Good Times if it was a spinoff? The Writers had no intention of explaining why the Amos character was named Henry on Maude because Good Times a not connected to Maude.


The fact that Frasier didn't have a father on Cheers was minor???????:lol: He was one of the main characters on "Frasier" :lol:

Can someone list a show that's a spinoff with inconsistencies? There are NONE!!!!!!! Which means that GT is not................................-LOL

Janice you made some excellent points. Solomon does tend to overthink and overanalyze this situation. It was a sitcom based on the life of Eric Monte. That is why it was in Chicago. Florida Evans is the key and Solomon has yet to give a reasonable explanation why it was Florida Evans and not Shaniqua Brown as the lead female character. As long as she is Florida Evans, it remains a spinoff. Inconsistencies aside, that is what it is.

The fact that Frasier didn't have a father on Cheers was minor???????:lol: He was one of the main characters on "Frasier" :lol:


But his name never changed

But his name never changed

Neither did Florida's.

But his name never changed


Oh so all of a sudden he has a father and a brother :confused: That's minor to you? :lol:

Neither did Florida's.


This is true LOL

Can someone list a show that's a spinoff with inconsistencies? There are NONE!!!!!!! Which means that GT is not................................-LOL


Yes, Good Times!

Janice you made some excellent points. Solomon does tend to overthink and overanalyze this situation. It was a sitcom based on the life of Eric Monte. That is why it was in Chicago. Florida Evans is the key and Solomon has yet to give a reasonable explanation why it was Florida Evans and not Shaniqua Brown as the lead female character. As long as she is Florida Evans, it remains a spinoff. Inconsistencies aside, that is what it is.


Someone was supposed to tell Esther Rolle that she couldn;t keep the character name that she had on Maude because Good Times was a COMPLETELY different Show. But since no one told her that in 1974, that's why we are discussing it in 2006-lol

Neither did Florida's.


Her husband's Did

Someone was supposed to tell Esther Rolle that she couldn;t keep the character name that she had on Maude because Good Times was a COMPLETELY different Show. But since no one told her that in 1974, that's why we are discussing it in 2006-lol


That's a weak answer. lol

Yes, Good Times!


Besides Good Times Brian

Her husband's Did


But her's didn't and that's what matters.

Besides Good Times Brian

You asked for one and I gave you one...Good Times

Besides Good Times Brian

Frasier lol

I understand what your talking about and the Fraiser example is a GREAT example, the fact that on Cheers Fraiser was an only child also, wasn't he?? and then all of a sudden he has a brother and a father that's alive.

Writers change things to make it fit the show and to make it work.

I like how the writers on Frasier cleared that inconsistency up. In the episode "The One Where Sam Shows Up" Sam Malone meets Martin and Martin asks him what Frasier said about him, the old cop and Sam says "he told me you were dead". Martin gets upset at Frasier and Frasier says "Well we had had an argument. You called me a stuffed shirt and hung up on me. I was mad." Then Sam says to Frasier "You told me he was a research scientist" and Frasier looks at his father and says "You were dead! What did it matter?". :lol:

I like how the writers on Frasier cleared that inconsistency up. In the episode "The One Where Sam Shows Up" Sam Malone meets Martin and Martin asks him what Frasier said about him, the old cop and Sam says "he told me you were dead". Martin gets upset and Frasier and Frasier says "Well we had had an arguement. You called me a stuffed shirt and hung up on me. I was mad." Then Sam says to Frasier "You told me he was a research scientist" and Frasier looks at his father and says "You were dead! What did it matter?". :lol:

The writers on Frasier were on the ball and extremely witty. The same can't be said for GT at times.

I have come to this conculsion

No one really knows if it is a spin off

For me to many inconsistencies

with the story line bridging GT to Maude

so I guess may never really know

One of the greatest Mysteries of Spin off History

I have come to this conculsion

No one really knows if it is a spin off

For me to many inconsistencies

with the story line bridging GT to Maude

so I guess may never really know

One of the greatest Mysteries of Spin off History



I agree

Well, I am getting vital information to prove my case about the spinoff theory and will post it soon. I don't care what Solomon says, "Top Ramen" was not the horrible spinoff of "Oodles". Once I get it, I will put a stop to this madness. LOL.

Well, I am getting vital information to prove my case about the spinoff theory and will post it soon. I don't care what Solomon says, "Top Ramen" was not the horrible spinoff of "Oodles". Once I get it, I will put a stop to this madness. LOL.

Is it better than what Janice provided? She got video documentation of Norman Lear saying Good Times was a spinoff. lol

"Top Ramen" made a few appearances with "Oodles" . Everything will come together soon in eps such as "Hot and Spicy" and "Chicken". "Top" was so good that the creators decided put it on its own shelf and try to make a go for it. For those of you that want to make a purchase for this alleged spinoff, it is available on the shelves in grocery stores everywhere! It is also available in boxed sets!

I watched the video. For all the non believers out there let me quote "Tootie" from "Facts of Life"; "There's gonna be trouble...."

Tom the Debate is Over. Monte's Article was discovered and now well you know the rest-lol



It is now, isn't it?:lol:




P.S.,
Actually, I read that article last year when Trish provided the link to it. I even posted that Esther wanted to keep the name which does make for a spinoff.