LOL-In all Honesty, Do you think because of the Jeffersons being a successful black family in 1975, that the writers felt they had to keep the Evans in the low income bracket since it would have looked kind of corny to improve the Evans after the Jeffersons premeired on CBS? So I'm thinking if the Jeffersons was never was created, Maybe the Evans would have improved and moved up financially eventually. Do you agree? I'm thinking james would have gotten that Job he wanted but since the George Jefferson character was created, it was no way for it happen, I THINK. Just like how There was no other Successful Black family on TV when the Cosby Show aired in the 80's and No other successful Black Family on TV when Fresh Prince aired in the 90's.

I disagree, I think both Eric Monte and Mike Evans wanted to keep the family in the ghetto. It had nothing to do with the sucess of George Jefferson.

they weren't well to do either on Sanford and Son in it's last two seasons. Like Brian said I don't think it was ever intended for them to go up. The Jeffersons were better off on All in the Family anyway.

I disagree, I think both Eric Monte and Mike Evans wanted to keep the family in the ghetto. It had nothing to do with the sucess of George Jefferson.



Well how do you explain there not being another succesful black family when the Cosby show and Fresh prince was on? It just seemed to me that thew writers felt it would be corny to put the Evans in a higher income bracket since there was a Brand New Black family on TV who was doing well

Well how do you explain there not being another succesful black family when the Cosby show and Fresh prince was on? It just seemed to me that thew writers felt it would be corny to put the Evans in a higher income bracket since there was a Brand New Black family on TV who was doing well

Solomon, there were other shows that tried to copy the success of the Cosby Show, they just sucked. Monte and Evans wanted a show that reflected their lives in the ghetto.

they weren't well to do either on Sanford and Son in it's last two seasons. Like Brian said I don't think it was ever intended for them to go up. The Jeffersons were better off on All in the Family anyway.


Sanford and Son was a different situation

Solomon, there were other shows that tried to copy the success of the Cosby Show, they just sucked. Monte and Evans wanted a show that reflected their lives in the ghetto.
Agree. and besides, isn't really up to the producers how the flow of the show will go?? I mean, the writers can come up with topics, subjects, storylines, but in the end, the producer makes the final decision on how the storyline or episode will go?
I mean, the writers don't decide what characters to bring on the show, that is the producer's work. The writers go with what changes have been made on the show as far as actors coming/going. They don't have (i am almost 100 percent sure) any deciding factors regarding that. I can see the producer telling the writers, "this family stays in the ghetto but make storylines of James being turned down for jobs, James losing jobs, being evicted, being sick" etc.
As for there not being other succesful blacks on television, unfortunately, television still has yet to understand that blacks can be succesful and rich and so forth. When Cosby show was on they received a lot of backlash from THE BLACK COMMUNITEY stating how can a household have a doctor and a lawyer in the house and the kids be alright. I remember reading how some in the black community oppossed the show. I feel like televisison execs figure that as long as there is one succesful black show on t.v. why bother having any others? It's sad and pathetic but I feel that is what they say. Almost as if they are saying "Ok, we filled our quoata, there's one succesful black family on the air." Which to me is stupid and sad. I for one get sick of seeing shows like "friends" "sex in the city" (shows i hated) sporting nothing but caucasions.

Agree. and besides, isn't really up to the producers how the flow of the show will go?? I mean, the writers can come up with topics, subjects, storylines, but in the end, the producer makes the final decision on how the storyline or episode will go?
I mean, the writers don't decide what characters to bring on the show, that is the producer's work. The writers go with what changes have been made on the show as far as actors coming/going. They don't have (i am almost 100 percent sure) any deciding factors regarding that. I can see the producer telling the writers, "this family stays in the ghetto but make storylines of James being turned down for jobs, James losing jobs, being evicted, being sick" etc.
As for there not being other succesful blacks on television, unfortunately, television still has yet to understand that blacks can be succesful and rich and so forth. When Cosby show was on they received a lot of backlash from THE BLACK COMMUNITEY stating how can a household have a doctor and a lawyer in the house and the kids be alright. I remember reading how some in the black community oppossed the show. I feel like televisison execs figure that as long as there is one succesful black show on t.v. why bother having any others? It's sad and pathetic but I feel that is what they say. Almost as if they are saying "Ok, we filled our quoata, there's one succesful black family on the air." Which to me is stupid and sad. I for one get sick of seeing shows like "friends" "sex in the city" (shows i hated) sporting nothing but caucasions.



Maybe the plan was eventually for James to get that big break but since the firing in 1976, that ended all possibilities. They defintely couldn;t do it in 1975 because the Jeffersons was too NEW at the time.

Sanford and Son was a different situation

Come to think of it you can't really have a rich junk man-lol

Maybe the plan was eventually for James to get that big break but since the firing in 1976, that ended all possibilities. They defintely couldn;t do it in 1975 because the Jeffersons was too NEW at the time.
oh i have no doubts that when the show was going to reach the end, they would have had James get that job that would get them out of the ghetto, but they would stay with the poor family in the ghetto theme for as long as they could. The Evans were a family that a lot of people could identify with, not just blacks, but anyone who lived in the projects, low income, poor, etc.

Maybe the plan was eventually for James to get that big break but since the firing in 1976, that ended all possibilities. They defintely couldn;t do it in 1975 because the Jeffersons was too NEW at the time.
That's exactly what I was gonna say! :wave:

That's exactly what I was gonna say! :wave:


I could tell by one of the statements James made that the writers were determined to keep the Evans the complete opposite of the Jeffersons

James said-"And I thought I was moving Up"-lol

I could tell by one of the statements James made that the writers were determined to keep the Evans the complete opposite of the Jeffersons

James said-"And I thought I was moving Up"-lol
Oh, I know!!! I caught that too, I can't remember what episode it was though!

Oh, I know!!! I caught that too, I can't remember what episode it was though!


In the ep-"A Real Cool Job" the first ep of Season 3

Good Time was suppose to be about a family living in the projects trying to make it.

The Jeffersons was suppose to be about a man who's a dry cleaner who's a boaderline racist, living in a apartment building with other characters.

I think that if John Amos would have stayed with the show, that at the end he would have gotten his big break and he would have gotten his family out of the ghetto.

Good Time was suppose to be about a family living in the projects trying to make it.

The Jeffersons was suppose to be about a man who's a dry cleaner who's a boaderline racist, living in a apartment building with other characters.

I think that if John Amos would have stayed with the show, that at the end he would have gotten his big break and he would have gotten his family out of the ghetto.



'm just saying they probably would have gotten out the projects a lot sooner if there was no such thing as the Jeffersons

'm just saying they probably would have gotten out the projects a lot sooner if there was no such thing as the Jeffersons


I don't think so, that was the whole point of GT to watch them scratch and survive trying to make it out of the ghetto.

I don't think so, that was the whole point of GT to watch them scratch and survive trying to make it out of the ghetto.
exactly. Solomon, you know it too.

the term "movin' on up" was used alot back then. Had any black character used that term, it doesn't make any connection to the Jeffersons. If a white character had said it, we wouldn't be having this convo on this topic.

The term was so often used that why do u think it was made into a theme song for The Jeffersons?

exactly. Solomon, you know it too.

the term "movin' on up" was used alot back then. Had any black character used that term, it doesn't make any connection to the Jeffersons. If a white character had said it, we wouldn't be having this convo on this topic.

The term was so often used that why do u think it was made into a theme song for The Jeffersons?


Maybe so, but if I was sitting in my living room in Sept of 1975 and watched James say-"And I thought I was moving up" I would connected that phrase to that new comedy that just started 9 months ago called the Jeffersons. Anyone would have, including you Irene-lol

Maybe so, but if I was sitting in my living room in Sept of 1975 and watched James say-"And I thought I was moving up" I would connected that phrase to that new comedy that just started 9 months ago called the Jeffersons. Anyone would have, including you Irene-lol
ye forget...i was watching it back then and that thought never crossed my mind. Even in syndication. Like I said, that term was used so much, just like any other phrase of the seventies.

ye forget...i was watching it back then and that thought never crossed my mind. Even in syndication. Like I said, that term was used so much, just like any other phrase of the seventies.


I never thought about it either, But he's a Jefferson freak so it would cross his mind.

I never thought about it either, But he's a Jefferson freak so it would cross his mind.
maybe now it would be somewhat obvious since that phrase is something we now associate with George/The jeffersons. But back then it was nothing. Just a phrase.

ye forget...i was watching it back then and that thought never crossed my mind. Even in syndication. Like I said, that term was used so much, just like any other phrase of the seventies.


Well that proves you didn;t watch Good Times on CBS in 75 because if you did how could you not think of the Jeffersons for a split second when james said he wasn;t moving up?-lol Remember Irene, the Jeffersons was BRAND NEW and a HIT so it would be impossible not to say-"Damm James is trying to to move up like George"-lol

maybe now it would be somewhat obvious since that phrase is something we now associate with George/The jeffersons. But back then it was nothing. Just a phrase.


The term MOVING ON UP was just a Phrase in sept of 75? Are you kiddin me?-lol You are playing with me right Irene?

why do you not get what i am saying? you know i am an avid fan of GT's since it first started. I never never never ever ever thought of that until this was mentioned by you. why don't you understand. When James said that it was no big deal. It is to you because by the time you seen these shows, they were already in syndication. You gotta understand something Solomon, we can watch these shows over and over and over again and still find something new or notice something we never caught before. "Movin' on up" i heard so much, it was just another phrase. Just like when JJ would say "Dynomite", when i heard it be said elsewhere on t.v. (of course not with the same attitute and expression as JJ) it didn't make me think of JJ or Good Times. People were saying "dynamite" as if they were saying "hey, how are you".
I heard "movin' on up" waaay before the Jeffersons ever said/used it.

why do you not get what i am saying? you know i am an avid fan of GT's since it first started. I never never never ever ever thought of that until this was mentioned by you. why don't you understand. When James said that it was no big deal. It is to you because by the time you seen these shows, they were already in syndication. You gotta understand something Solomon, we can watch these shows over and over and over again and still find something new or notice something we never caught before. "Movin' on up" i heard so much, it was just another phrase. Just like when JJ would say "Dynomite", when i heard it be said elsewhere on t.v. (of course not with the same attitute and expression as JJ) it didn't make me think of JJ or Good Times. People were saying "dynamite" as if they were saying "hey, how are you".
I heard "movin' on up" waaay before the Jeffersons ever said/used it.



But Irene It's hard for me to take what you are saying seriously because before the Jeffersons and Good Times aired, you were under the age of 10 so it's not much you would remember anyway about what was being said. I would only want to ask someone about the Moving Up Phrase or Dynomite Phrase who was atleast in highschool during the early 70's.

But Irene It's hard for me to take what you are saying seriously because before the Jeffersons and Good Times aired, you were under the age of 10 so it's not much you would remember anyway about what was being said. I would only want to ask someone about the Moving Up Phrase or Dynomite Phrase who was atleast in highschool during the early 70's.
in 1974 I was 9. Hell, you have seen how well memory works when ever I notice a scene is deleted or something is missing. How many times has my memory come into play regarding GT? A helluva lot. So why don't you trust what i know i heard? IS IT BECAUSE I AM A WOMAN:mad: :lol:

in 1974 I was 9. Hell, you have seen how well memory works when ever I notice a scene is deleted or something is missing. How many times has my memory come into play regarding GT? A helluva lot. So why don't you trust what i know i heard? IS IT BECAUSE I AM A WOMAN:mad: :lol:



I think it has something do with me not remembering a lot about the cosby show in 1984 AT THE AGE OF 9-lol Hard to remmeber watching anything at the age of 9, especially DELETED SCENES

I think it has something do with me not remembering a lot about the cosby show in 1984 AT THE AGE OF 9-lol Hard to remmeber watching anything at the age of 9, especially DELETED SCENES
ohhhhh, so because Solomon can't remember things, no one else can...now the truth comes out...*irene tapping her foot hard and pointing her finger*:crazy:

ohhhhh, so because Solomon can't remember things, no one else can...now the truth comes out...*irene tapping her foot hard and pointing her finger*:crazy:


I'm just going to say if you did watch that Good Times ep in 75, you didn't think of the Jeffersons when James made that statement it's probably because you didn't know it was on the air at the time.

Let me add my thoughts on this. Solomon, what Irene is saying, is when she saw Good Times back when it first aired, and when James said that, she probably wasn't thinking of the Jeffersons. In 75, the Jeffersons barely got off the ground, so I don't think the phrase was even coined or popular yet. I don't know, because I was 1 year-old in '75 so I can't say it wasn't. But I think that's what Irene is trying to say. Then again, maybe she was a bigger fan of Good Times to even think about the Jeffersons phrase.

But, to answer your topic, I don't think George had anything to do with the lack of success of James. Good Times was meant to be what it was about. Eric Monte grew up like that, and he wanted the sitcom to focus on the family struggling.

Let me add my thoughts on this. Solomon, what Irene is saying, is when she saw Good Times back when it first aired, and when James said that, she probably wasn't thinking of the Jeffersons. In 75, the Jeffersons barely got off the ground, so I don't think the phrase was even coined or popular yet. I don't know, because I was 1 year-old in '75 so I can't say it wasn't. But I think that's what Irene is trying to say. Then again, maybe she was a bigger fan of Good Times to even think about the Jeffersons phrase.

But, to answer your topic, I don't think George had anything to do with the lack of success of James. Good Times was meant to be what it was about. Eric Monte grew up like that, and he wanted the sitcom to focus on the family struggling.



The Jeffersons was ranked #4 after it's first season. It was defintely a HIT

I think it has something do with me not remembering a lot about the cosby show in 1984 AT THE AGE OF 9-lol Hard to remmeber watching anything at the age of 9, especially DELETED SCENES

IMO, Solomon, I don't think the lady is lying to you. Besides, I was six going on seven when The Cosby Show debuted and I remember certain episodes and me and my friends would go to school the next day and talk about them. And if you do remember something that stands out at a young age, then you just do. I remember the ep when Rudy's Goldfish died. The Huxtables were at the table eating dinner and Denise was putting Ketchup on her scrambled eggs and Cliff told her that she was putting Ketchup on her eggs. When that ep was syndicated 4 years later in 1988, the dialogue was cut from the episode and I was looking for that part from the show.

So that just goes to show that you can remember that things at nine years of age...especially if you are six and can remember.

IMO, Solomon, I don't think the lady is lying to you. Besides, I was six going on seven when The Cosby Show debuted and I remember certain episodes and me and my friends would go to school the next day and talk about them. And if you do remember something that stands out at a young age, then you just do. I remember the ep when Rudy's Goldfish died. The Huxtables were at the table eating dinner and Denise was putting Ketchup on her scrambled eggs and Cliff told her that she was putting Ketchup on her eggs. When that ep was syndicated 4 years later in 1988, the dialogue was cut from the episode and I was looking for that part from the show.

So that just goes to show that you can remember that things at nine years of age...especially if you are six and can remember.



All that maybe true but I still would rather hear from someone who was a little older in 75. Like in Highschool. 21 would be even better-lol

All that maybe true but I still would rather hear from someone who was a little older in 75. Like in Highschool. 21 would be even better-lol


:rolleyes: Always the doubter.....:crazy: