View Full Version : Things you hate about Multi-Camera Sitcoms


Raisingdad2004
04-25-2006, 03:05 PM
For those who do not know, Multi-camera shows are shot on a sound stage with multiple cameras. For each camera to not appear in the shot, they are where the 4th wall of the set would be - hence why we usually only see 3 walls. Shows like Friends, Seinfeld & Frasier were multi camera.

1. Becuase the shows usually stick with existing sets, on stories where the family go out they usually wait until they get back to the house to discuss bad points of the evening (like 'I can't believe your behaviour tonight') when they could have easily just said it in the Car, or outside the resteraunt.

2. People only sit around one side of the table, sign of a lazy director.

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dawsongirl
04-25-2006, 04:17 PM
The sets look fake. And the houses are never proportional, even with other parts of the set (like the upstairs doesn't seem to fit with the downstairs...one thing that bugged me about Full House).

Raisingdad2004
04-25-2006, 04:27 PM
Even some single camera shows shoot on bad sets though, I don't think that single camera is used correctly unless you see all 4 walls of the set in a scene - otherwise, you might aswell use multi camera.

Raisingdad2004
04-26-2006, 04:01 AM
Not entirely. The sets used for Cheers and Friends, among other series, look on par with anything in a feature film.

Cheers was a good set, but you can't really believe the Friends lived in those apartments and they were always clean - they don't look like somebody lives there, then again Monica lives there.

db108108
04-26-2006, 09:41 PM
I hate the fact that they're usually not funny anymore.

Ireneparalegal
04-26-2006, 11:41 PM
Thanks to Desi Arnaz for developing the multi-camera technique. :D

dawsongirl
04-27-2006, 03:27 PM
Not entirely. The sets used for Cheers look on par with anything in a feature film.

That's true. It looked like they spent money on that to make it look real.

Raisingdad2004
04-27-2006, 04:09 PM
The problem with the Cheers set was you had 2 lanes of traffic, next to the camera and far away from the camera (where you would enter tha 'bar', drink serving part of the bar) and so when characters would walk back there you would be watching from far away with the main part of the bar blocking view. It was a great set, but logistically not great for multi-camera.

slackermonkey
04-28-2006, 03:38 AM
I agree on the sets, for the most part, and the instances of staging that Raisingdad2004 mentioned.

Also, the lighting. Everything looks so goddamn bright. I like experimenting with different sources of light depending on the scene. It really adds something to the mood and atmosphere of a scene.

But mostly, everything in multi-camera seems too rigid and limiting nowadays. Single camera offers more opportunities in terms of location, directorial style and usually allows you to do things like bigger stunts.

I still have a soft spot for multi-camera sitcoms, but to me, single camera seems more exciting and open.

TMC
05-17-2018, 04:41 PM
For those who do not know, Multi-camera shows are shot on a sound stage with multiple cameras. For each camera to not appear in the shot, they are where the 4th wall of the set would be - hence why we usually only see 3 walls. Shows like Friends, Seinfeld & Frasier were multi camera.

1. Becuase the shows usually stick with existing sets, on stories where the family go out they usually wait until they get back to the house to discuss bad points of the evening (like 'I can't believe your behaviour tonight') when they could have easily just said it in the Car, or outside the resteraunt.

2. People only sit around one side of the table, sign of a lazy director.

Continue the list :)

Multi-Cam gives you much more easy cookie-cutter formats. These are filmed on a sound-stage, much like a theater play. So all of the microphones are in place, every angle is perfectly staged, all of the lighting is pre-set, all of the props are always facing the correct direction, all of the actors know where to look, and it's really easy to cut between takes. Do 2 or 3 lines for that camera. Okay, reset. Now 2 or 3 lines for this other camera, and back and forth. The whole process is just much more controlled and streamlined (thus cheaper). This saves costs because you can get all the angles you want in fewer takes, so it takes less time to film.

RetroGuy2000
05-17-2018, 05:26 PM
I prefer multi-camera comedies to single-camera comedies. Having said that, I don't like not seeing a fourth wall. For example, the way the ladies sat in the kitchen in The Golden Girls was ridiculous: all four squished together on three sides of the table, or Sophia standing by herself at the island, or at the stove all the time.

Roseanne does show the fourth wall in the opening, and Friends did show the fourth wall briefly in the episode where Chandler breaks into the closet with the green door in the back, but typically, we don't ever see a fourth wall, outside of those shows.

(And as a side note, it also drives me crazy that exterior sets or locations rarely match the interior. But that goes for many shows, not just multi-camera sitcoms).

stevea
05-17-2018, 05:40 PM
Some multi camera sets are really good, Two and A Half Men--superb. Some, pretty bad, Everybody Loves Raymond--D minus. Most single camera sets look more realistic--the biggest reason is squared-off walls that don't look like they're set up for a play.

On-location scenes is the advantage most single camera comedies have. Most multi-camera comedies never leave the the soundstage (there are exceptions once in awhile, of course).

I agree with that last post about exterior shots not matching the soundstage sets--in either format. That exterior shot of the My Three Sons California house bugs me--what room is that first floor window to the left of the front door?

RetroGuy2000
05-17-2018, 05:52 PM
I agree with that last post about exterior shots not matching the soundstage sets--in either format. That exterior shot of the My Three Sons California house bugs me--what room is that first floor window to the left of the front door?

YEP!

And why does the Huxtable house have three aboveground floors, but there are only two aboveground floors inside?

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/OnGVrGvj.QIXUGAYNS2sRQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9MzAwO2g9NDAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/localnyc/4ff9f8961676c1de770542f2f9158172.jpeg

Even worse: how does the Tanner house have an attic above the second aboveground floor?!

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fullhouse/images/e/ea/Snapshot_1_%286-03-2015_1-51_AM%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20150305175214

Mr. Television
05-17-2018, 06:55 PM
That there aren't as many as there used to be.

Edward216
05-18-2018, 03:10 AM
The sets look fake. And the houses are never proportional, even with other parts of the set (like the upstairs doesn't seem to fit with the downstairs...one thing that bugged me about Full House).

The thing that was weird about Full House was the 2 stairways. They had the stairway to the second story in the living room, and then another in the kitchen. OK, so having two sets of stairs is weird in itself. But the other thing that's weird if you'll notice that when they used either stairway to get to the upstairs they both seemed to enter into the same area in the upstairs hallway. LOL. They didn't really think that one through.

Ed.

PhoenixAcres
05-18-2018, 03:13 PM
The live studio audience can get annoying sometimes. I like the energy it brings to shows but way too often they overuse it and it distracts from the content of the show. Especially when the POPULAR character enters and the audience loses their mind and proceeds to scream and clap for the next 5 minutes while the actors just stand there waiting awkwardly.

RetroGuy2000
05-18-2018, 03:30 PM
The live studio audience can get annoying sometimes. I like the energy it brings to shows but way too often they overuse it and it distracts from the content of the show. Especially when the POPULAR character enters and the audience loses their mind and proceeds to scream and clap for the next 5 minutes while the actors just stand there waiting awkwardly.

Hah! Or go WOOOOOO!!!! When two characters kiss. It's true!

But I actually prefer that to the cheesy canned laugh tracks that you can tell is fake.

stevea
05-18-2018, 03:43 PM
Yeah it's a toss up as to what's worse...over-reactions or woo-woos from live audiences (sometimes "sweetened" by the producers), or canned laughter at all kinds of stuff that isn't even funny.

With older single camera shows (like Ozzie and Harriet), they played the show and got audience reaction...I assume they could control that when they edited it...to me that was a great solution. Or The Middle...a single camera show with no canned laugh track.

TV Guy
05-18-2018, 08:57 PM
The live studio audience can get annoying sometimes. I like the energy it brings to shows but way too often they overuse it and it distracts from the content of the show. Especially when the POPULAR character enters and the audience loses their mind and proceeds to scream and clap for the next 5 minutes while the actors just stand there waiting awkwardly.

Completely agreed. Happy Days completely overdid this. But even respectable shows did this (“Seinfeld” when Kramer entered; “Newhart” when Larry and the Darryls entered).

RetroGuy2000
05-18-2018, 11:21 PM
What's even more awkward is when the actor tries to say his/her line, but the audience is so loud that the actor has to stop, and then start over.