Hi, I can't remember the boy's name but I was wnondering if anyone had any thoughts on who could have so brutaly killed a child that way. It is unfathomable to me. I do think it was probably a fellow student. Also, have there been any leads in the case.

His name was Chaim Weiss. Yes it hards to imagine what motive anyone would have to kill him. I do think it was probably someone involved with the school or even a classmate due to some of the Jewish customs that were followed after the crime. Here's a thread with some discussion about it:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=165062&highlight=Chaim+Weiss

thanks, Crystal, I agree It was someone involved in the school somehow. I just can't imagine the motive.

Me either. Of course I'm not accusing anyone but I have wondered if it was possible that Chaim could have been molested and he was killed so he wouldn't talk. Just another possible motive of many but thought I'd throw it out there.

Me either. Of course I'm not accusing anyone but I have wondered if it was possible that Chaim could have been molested and he was killed so he wouldn't talk. Just another possible motive of many but thought I'd throw it out there.

I suppose it's possible, Crystaldawn. Until you mentioned it, the idea hadn't occurred to me. Many of the church molestation cases that occurred during the 1980s and earlier didn't come to light until the 1990s, when sex abuse victims began to speak up.

If the detectives have considered molestation as a factor in Chaim's death, they may be keeping such a theory to themselves. Chances are, they don't want to come forward with such an accusation without any evidence to support it.

Me either. Of course I'm not accusing anyone but I have wondered if it was possible that Chaim could have been molested and he was killed so he wouldn't talk. Just another possible motive of many but thought I'd throw it out there.

Your instincts may be right on... it's one of the more plausible scenarios that I've heard in this case.

It would also explain WHY they opened the window after Chaim was murdered. If it were a priest, it would definately be someone close to the religion...

I suppose it's possible, Crystaldawn. Until you mentioned it, the idea hadn't occurred to me. Many of the church molestation cases that occurred during the 1980s and earlier didn't come to light until the 1990s, when sex abuse victims began to speak up.

If the detectives have considered molestation as a factor in Chaim's death, they may be keeping such a theory to themselves. Chances are, they don't want to come forward with such an accusation without any evidence to support it.


Another possibility is that Chain was having a homesexual relationship with another young man, and the other kid killed him.

That episode creped me out, especially the part where the killer looks into the wrong room.

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Another possibility is that Chain was having a homesexual relationship with another young man, and the other kid killed him.

I don't remember this ever being a possible scenario.

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I don't remember this ever being a possible scenario.

It was never mentioned in the segment. Whether or not the detectives have considered such a theory is anyone's guess.

I like the thinking behind the comments of elvisfan and crystaldawn. I side with this theory as well.

I studied for a while in a Catholic seminary. I know that in some seminaries (which are all-male schools), there has been a history of homosexual relationships. The seminary I went to, as recently as ten years earlier, was known to have had a number of "lovers spats". I think that one of the motives could have stemmed from unrequited love, a break-up, lovers triangle, etc. And when you are that age, and there is a break-up, and you have to continue to see that person numerous times a day, day in and day out - especially with his "new lover", that can be enough to make you snap (especially if you have emotional problems or are disturbed to begin with). The guys in my seminary were in their 20s and 30s, and were free to abandon a future in the priesthood at any time and leave the seminary, so murder was less likely (and it never got that bad).

It is not uncommon for religious schools / groups to try to cover such things up (just look at my own Church's child sex abuse scandal). If this theory is true, probably the main reason rabbis did not want to talk and did not want the students to talk is because of not only the shame but the damage that would be done to the school and its reputation if it came out that homosexual relationships were going on, or sexual molestation. And part of the reason the students did not speak up is that the rabbis may have told them after the murder, "you know, our faith teaches us that unless you actually witnessed the murder, it is wrong for you to say anything" - even though that might not be the true Jewish doctrine.

The mere possibility that Chaim was killed by someone in a school is enough for the Yeshiva to cover up the crime.

I don;t see why it necessarily has to be a homosexually incited act...

The only evidence that leans toward homosexuality is the fact that it seems more likely that an adult moved Chaim's body.

The only evidence that leans toward homosexuality is the fact that it seems more likely that an adult moved Chaim's body.


?? How is "the fact that it seems more likely" evidence of homosexuality?

Also, is it a fact or does it seem likelier that an adult moved his body? I ask because I missed where the information was given that it was an undisputed fact that an adult was involved. Does it seem likelier to authorities or is that your conclusion Mastermind?

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The only evidence that leans toward homosexuality is the fact that it seems more likely that an adult moved Chaim's body.


?? How is "the fact that it seems more likely" evidence of homosexuality?

Also, is it a fact or does it seem likelier that an adult moved his body? I ask because I missed where the information was given that it was an undisputed fact that an adult was involved. Does it seem likelier to authorities or is that your conclusion Mastermind?

I'm sorry about the grammatical error. Let me know if it becomes a problem.

I don;t see why a child would kill Chaim to hide their homosexuality or that Chaim would bother telling someone. I suppose it's possible, but the more likelier scenario is that one of the rabbi's or teachers did this and killed Chaim to silence him....hence that is basis of the homosexual theory.

So were looking for an adult.

I could have the details mixed on this with another case(please let me know if I do), but Chaim was moved from his bed to the floor, no?

Almost like someone dead lifted him from the bed and placed him there?, no?

You see here's the thing...I could see soemeone like you lifting your wife out of a bed, your child, but If you had to lift a grown man out of a bed. That's a pretty hefty order to do so in a dead lift. I guess you could drag someone of the bed(was there evidence of that in this case?) but even then I don;t know why you would do so unless absolutely necessary.

The movement of Chaims body from his bed indicates that the person who did is either a much larger child or adult. I don;t know if you read the previous thread, but I attempted to find out Chaims vital stats. The big thing I wanted to know was whether Chaim was bigger or smaller than average. If he's bigger than average, then this has to be one hell of a kid to lift him. If he was smaller than average, I guess a larger boy could lift Chaim out of bed.

It seems the more likely scenario that an adult moved Chaim's body than another boy Chaim's age.

Excluding the intruder theory, why would an adult male from the school want to kill this young boy? Forbidden Homosexual relationship seems like tops on the list.





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