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Bleedingheart
03-26-2006, 10:28 AM
I can't believe this case is still unsolved as well as the Tanya Van Cuylenborg And Jay Roland Cook case.The Santos case could possibly be solved if they located the guy who made the 911 call.You can listen to the call here http://www.vi.wheeling.il.us/Services/Police/UnsolvedMurder.htm

LooksLikeCRicci
04-03-2006, 10:36 AM
Yeah, this is a strange case. You'd think that someone would recognize this guy's voice. Here's the question I'm going to pose: Do you think that the man who made the call had anything to do with Jamie's death?

UMfan0682
04-03-2006, 01:12 PM
I remember when UM played the tape of the phone call, the person gave the address. He said "Stonehedge", then said "hedge, like the bush." I think from this statement, the police said this person had a strong chance of being involved. I'm 50/50 on this case. He may have just passed by, noticed she needed help, and called the police.

Bleedingheart
04-03-2006, 05:52 PM
LooksLikeCRicci: I'm puzzled by this one, on one point he seems genuinely concerned about getting help to Jamie,but i have wondered why the guy has never come forward as the caller if he was so concerned about he well being.

He could be scared of being implicated or he could be responsible. But i've also considered maybe he died soon after

Bleedingheart
04-03-2006, 05:55 PM
UMfan0682: i'm 50/50 about the case

Mr.Clairvoyant
04-08-2006, 04:54 AM
I can't believe this case is still unsolved as well as the Tanya Van Cuylenborg And Jay Roland Cook case.The Santos case could possibly be solved if they located the guy who made the 911 call.You can listen to the call here http://www.vi.wheeling.il.us/Services/Police/UnsolvedMurder.htm
I have mixed feelings when it comes to this case. I am not sure how to call it. for once the police theories may be on the marker. I am almost certain that the mystery caller for his own insidious reason made that call in attempt to cover up the fact that he was the killer. Perhaps he really did kill her in act of rage realizing thereafter he had done a terrible thing. And thinking that the honorable thing to do was to call for help, but we all know that the honorable thing would be to turn himself in and face the consequences of his actions.. I don't think that the caller just happen by.. I mean how often do you happen by the scene of a crime that takes place inside a house that you were not aware a crime had even took place.. If I was walking down a street and saw the door to someone's house wide open I certainly would not walk right in to see what is going on even if I did hear a commotion all the more reason for me to keep it moving. I believe the would be good Samaritan in this case is the actual killer!!!

Kane
04-09-2006, 12:14 PM
Yeah, this is a strange case. You'd think that someone would recognize this guy's voice. Here's the question I'm going to pose: Do you think that the man who made the call had anything to do with Jamie's death?

At this point, I believe he was involved in Jamie's death.

However, if he was innocent, then he might have been an intruder with a bad sense of timing; perhaps this unknown caller entered Jamie's house with the intention of burglarizing it, only to discover a nearly-deceased Jamie, and then ran out of the house to call 911. So he may have gone unidentified out of fear that he would be arrested for attempted burlgarly, in addition to being wrongly implicated in Jamie's murder. To me, this theory sounds at least partially plausible.

LooksLikeCRicci
04-10-2006, 10:42 AM
However, if he was innocent, then he might have been an intruder with a bad sense of timing; perhaps this unknown caller entered Jamie's house with the intention of burglarizing it, only to discover a nearly-deceased Jamie, and then ran out of the house to call 911. So he may have gone unidentified out of fear that he would be arrested for attempted burlgarly, in addition to being wrongly implicated in Jamie's murder. To me, this theory sounds at least partially plausible.

I initially thought this, too. However, I have a hard time believing that the person who made the 911 phone call didn't have SOMETHING to do with her death.

crystaldawn
04-10-2006, 10:45 AM
Yes I agree cricci. The person who called and reported it would have HAD to have been in her home to know she was on her bedroom floor. The only person who would have been in her home besides the killer would have been a friend and wouldn't have fled but out of concern for Jamie would have waited with her until the ambulance got there.

Kane
04-10-2006, 10:50 AM
I initially thought this, too. However, I have a hard time believing that the person who made the 911 phone call didn't have SOMETHING to do with her death.

I feel the same as you. But my attempted burglary theory is just that, a theory. It's the only theory I could come up that would make sense if (and only if) the 911 caller had nothing to do with Jamie's murder.

In any case, the more I think about the case, the more convinced I am that the 911 caller was Jamie's killer.

Bleedingheart
04-19-2006, 05:08 AM
Here is another possible theory, Lets say there was someone else hurt Jamie and maybe the caller was with the person and witnessed the assault and felt sorry for what his partner in crime did to Jamie seeing as the caller probably just wanted to break in get some stuff but not hurt anyone in the process and leave the home. And the caller doesn't wanna goto jail for the break in charges

Mr.Clairvoyant
04-21-2006, 12:11 AM
Here is another possible theory, Lets say there was someone else hurt Jamie and maybe the caller was with the person and witnessed the assault and felt sorry for what his partner in crime did to Jamie seeing as the caller probably just wanted to break in get some stuff but not hurt anyone in the process and leave the home. And the caller doesn't wanna goto jail for the break in charges
That may be a plausible theory about what happened.. but if that is the case then the caller would or should not have any problems coming forth and saying so. Even if he did it anonymously he still could have called and explain how he came upon the knowledge of Jamie being killed.. But the guy has not been heard from since the 911 call. It could be possible that the 911 caller (like I said in a earlier post ) is the killer he could be dead, maybe guilty over what he has done committed suicide, Because if he was alive you would think a family member lover, co worker, friend somebody would have recognized his voice on the 911 tape. I believe I read some where that the local radio station actually played the 911 tape still there were no leads!

Bleedingheart
04-21-2006, 01:56 AM
Also another thing that makes me wonder , if the caller is the killer why call 911 and ask to get Jamie help,killers don't usually do that, unless they wanna brag about what they did. This guy seems genuinely concerned for her well being

Mr.Clairvoyant
04-21-2006, 02:24 AM
Also another thing that makes me wonder , if the caller is the killer why call 911 and ask to get Jamie help,killers don't usually do that, unless they wanna brag about what they did. This guy seems genuinely concerned for her well being
Then why let this much time go by and not come forward I can understand not coming forward within the first week or so but we are talking years now the would be good Samaritan would have come forward by now to say yeah I am innocent especially since the police have a general idea that the 911 caller could be an innocent bystander.. I am 95% sure the 911 caller is the killer until proven other wise

Hidegi Ryuga
12-30-2009, 10:57 PM
Hasn't the thought of someone close to Jamie having done the murder? The voice seemed a bit panicky and hanging up the phone without any additional, or personal, information made seemed like it was he was alone. An obsessed lover or an ex could also be the culprit. Seeing what he had done, he panicked, called the police, and ran off. It could've been an accident. But I agree with what others have said it would've have been better off if the man turned himself in.

Hambone2421
05-12-2010, 10:34 AM
I'm not sure what to think of this case. On one hand it could just some random person who was jogging or passing by and saw an open door and checked to see if everything is ok. Once he sees her body, he tries to make her more comfortable and then calls 911 for help. On the other hand it could be the actually person who killed her and then, with remorse, called the cops. My question is, if the cops had been able to resuscitate her, she probably could have identified her killer and then he would have been caught immediately all because he called the cops. It just doesn't make sense either way if you ask me.

Apostapler
05-12-2010, 11:08 AM
I tend to think it was her killer that called. Why disappear from the scene unless you were afraid of getting caught?

Hambone2421
05-12-2010, 03:05 PM
I tend to think it was her killer that called. Why disappear from the scene unless you were afraid of getting caught?

Was anything stolen from her house? The reason I ask is I wonder if Jamie was assaulted by person A and person A runs out through the front door, then person B (caller) sees an open door and decides to look for valuables and then stumbles upon her body. Maybe he called the cops to help out the victim but didn't stay because he didn't want his finger prints to be found all over the house since he was going through stuff. Had he stayed after he called, he surely would have been fingerprinted just to match his prints against others found in the house.

soilentgreen
05-12-2010, 05:40 PM
Hasn't the thought of someone close to Jamie having done the murder? The voice seemed a bit panicky and hanging up the phone without any additional, or personal, information made seemed like it was he was alone. An obsessed lover or an ex could also be the culprit. Seeing what he had done, he panicked, called the police, and ran off.

That's the likely scenario in my opinion and he may have been stalking her prior to the assault. It's also possible that this was a stalker who was acquainted with, but wasn't intimately involved with Santos -- a pretty common situation for strippers to find themselves in. Someone who believed he deserved to have a relationship with her, repeatedly contacted her/showed up at her home, and became enraged when she explicitly rejected him or finally threatened to call the police.

UM doesn't really provide enough information about Santos' private life --- any past abusive relationships, any stalkers, if there was ever any suspicion that she had done escort work or if she had problems with any of her bodyguards.

Hambone2421
05-13-2010, 10:09 AM
That's the likely scenario in my opinion and he may have been stalking her prior to the assault. It's also possible that this was a stalker who was acquainted with, but wasn't intimately involved with Santos -- a pretty common situation for strippers to find themselves in. Someone who believed he deserved to have a relationship with her, repeatedly contacted her/showed up at her home, and became enraged when she explicitly rejected him or finally threatened to call the police.

UM doesn't really provide enough information about Santos' private life --- any past abusive relationships, any stalkers, if there was ever any suspicion that she had done escort work or if she had problems with any of her bodyguards.

The problem I have with that scenario is that if its someone she knew that attacked her and then called the cops, what if she didn't die? She could then identify who it was that attacked her. It wouldn't make sense for the attacker to call the cops.

soilentgreen
05-13-2010, 11:08 AM
The problem I have with that scenario is that if its someone she knew that attacked her and then called the cops, what if she didn't die? She could then identify who it was that attacked her. It wouldn't make sense for the attacker to call the cops.

Whoever attacked her simply may not have been thinking logically right after the assault; he probably felt some remorse for "going too far" in his attack on her. Self preservation kicked in fully when he discovered that Santos had died.

Maybe he wasn't afraid of being fully identified. He may have been an admirer/stalker customer whose general identity was unknown to Santos. She would have met any number of those types through her job.

From what I recall, there weren't any signs of forced entry, and even though there were signs of a struggle, Santos had a pillow placed carefully under her head after she had been attacked. Would someone who came to the house to burglarize or rape really go to that trouble? Whoever called even corrected the dispatcher about the address; pretty familiar knowledge for an attacker who didn't know Santos to some extent or a concerned passer by.

Hambone2421
05-13-2010, 01:39 PM
Whoever attacked her simply may not have been thinking logically right after the assault; he probably felt some remorse for "going too far" in his attack on her. Self preservation kicked in fully when he discovered that Santos had died.

Maybe he wasn't afraid of being fully identified. He may have been an admirer/stalker customer whose general identity was unknown to Santos. She would have met any number of those types through her job.

From what I recall, there weren't any signs of forced entry, and even though there were signs of a struggle, Santos had a pillow placed carefully under her head after she had been attacked. Would someone who came to the house to burglarize or rape really go to that trouble? Whoever called even corrected the dispatcher about the address; pretty familiar knowledge for an attacker who didn't know Santos to some extent or a concerned passer by.

I wonder if the police did an investigation into the "regulars" she had at the club? How many regulars stopped coming after she was killed and how many kept coming. They could then look closer at the ones who stopped coming to see if there was anything there. Who knows, it could have been one of them.

soilentgreen
05-13-2010, 03:47 PM
UM only mentioned that she danced at private events (and not necessarily a club) but the list of customers, potential 'sugar daddies', exes and bodyguards would still be quite extensive. It's not even discussed if she had any problematic histories with certain individuals.

Corky Kneivel
05-13-2010, 03:59 PM
I think the evidence points to an intruder, previously unknown to her. Whether she interrupted a burglary or he gained access to the house with the express intent of harming her, I think the killer was the caller.

I don't think the just happened by scenario is likely because when he called he said "she's turning blue", meaning he thought there was still a chance of rescuing her and that she was still alive (maybe...he might have been lying to himself - still not able to face what he had done). The time frame just seems too slim for someone to attack her and then for someone else, completely at random, come in, and after trying to revive or comfort her, goes off to make the 911 call...still thinking she's alive.

What I wonder about is how the caller was so quick to correct the 911 operator. I think it shows a familiarity with the street that goes beyond casual. Perhaps he was a hot prowler who had cased that street for a while, perhaps he was a stalker who knew everythign about her, perhaps he's a neighbor.

Corky Kneivel
05-13-2010, 04:04 PM
also...how come every time they have a segment about stripper on UM the strippers are shown doing the most un-sexy, un-erotic dance moves? They dance like no strippers ever. ((uh...at least that's what someone told me)).

In the segment about the lady who might have gotten lost in the vamppire subculture, she even dances and LAYS DOWN ON a bar! The Hell would lay down on a nasty beer stained bar and think that's sexy?

n8riley
05-14-2010, 04:18 PM
I notice something watch the Jamie Santos segment earlier today she canceled her jobs for that day why? I think perhaps the family input made her seem more innocent then she was ( Not that anyone deserves to get kill I am an Ex-Junkie and in allot of policeman's mind if your not little red riddinghood you deserve what you get if your involved in things like drugs or the sex industry) she may have had a side customer willing to pay big bucks for some time with a beautiful lady I think the police said there were signs of rape and that leave the possibility of consensual sex or she put up no fight thinking could preserve her life instead of getting raped and killed she might just be raped. Another Idea maybe bondage it would explain the strangulation and his sadness and guilt calling 9-11 . Any thoughts? Have their been updates?

Hambone2421
05-14-2010, 04:41 PM
I notice something watch the Jamie Santos segment earlier today she canceled her jobs for that day why? I think perhaps the family input made her seem more innocent then she was ( Not that anyone deserves to get kill I am an Ex-Junkie and in allot of policeman's mind if your not little red riddinghood you deserve what you get if your involved in things like drugs or the sex industry) she may have had a side customer willing to pay big bucks for some time with a beautiful lady I think the police said there were signs of rape and that leave the possibility of consensual sex or she put up no fight thinking could preserve her life instead of getting raped and killed she might just be raped. Another Idea maybe bondage it would explain the strangulation and his sadness and guilt calling 9-11 . Any thoughts? Have their been updates?


Hhhmmm, interesting theory on the bondage, but again I go back to thinking that if the caller was the killer and he knew Jamie, why would he report it to the police if she could ID him? You might as well walk into the police station and turn yourself in.

n8riley
05-14-2010, 07:08 PM
Hhhmmm, interesting theory on the bondage, but again I go back to thinking that if the caller was the killer and he knew Jamie, why would he report it to the police if she could ID him? You might as well walk into the police station and turn yourself in.
Great point I know that the swinger sub-culture portrayed on TV is done anonymously sometime perhaps they knew each other like we do by nick names like say a CB handle like HotJock dexter Stefoneck's killer. Canceling all her appointment still makes me think she was going to do something. Any way you slice it it is one sad case I hope it's solved some how.

rhzunam
05-15-2010, 12:46 PM
I notice something watch the Jamie Santos segment earlier today she canceled her jobs for that day why? I think perhaps the family input made her seem more innocent then she was ( Not that anyone deserves to get kill I am an Ex-Junkie and in allot of policeman's mind if your not little red riddinghood you deserve what you get if your involved in things like drugs or the sex industry) she may have had a side customer willing to pay big bucks for some time with a beautiful lady I think the police said there were signs of rape and that leave the possibility of consensual sex or she put up no fight thinking could preserve her life instead of getting raped and killed she might just be raped. Another Idea maybe bondage it would explain the strangulation and his sadness and guilt calling 9-11 . Any thoughts? Have their been updates?


This is a great point. If she was escorting on the side, that would be a great explanation of why would there be no signs of forced entry and how the person knew enough to correct the street name. Maybe it was an escort session gone bad.

Sometimes I don't get why families or segments sanitize stuff that can be detrimental to the case (and if it were escorting, I'm of the opinion it's not even bad). I'm not saying this would be the case here at all but mostly from other cases where it can end up being detrimental to the solving of the case (Dr. Phillips 911 dissapearance) or in other cases just tryng to protect family and that end ups only making you look stupid (Ricardo Caputo).

joefri
01-29-2012, 03:37 AM
This is such a sad story. Not only that, it's confusing how little evidence we're given, and I'm not sure if that's UM's doing or due to the police investigation. If this were a more typical crime and the guy didn't call, we'd be focusing on things inside the house. It's rare that an investigation can't at least narrow down the general context of a murder in an enclosed space.

Regardless, everyone focused on finding the guy on the tape, which would be great. Seems little profiling has been done on the guy, but listening to it here's what I think:

1) This guy doesn't sound like a deranged random killer or someone passionately associated with her. He speaks with amazing clarity and authority, much more than someone who murdered someone. He speaks to the 911 dispatcher firmly without ever trying to manipulate or 'have fun with it,' as a premeditated killer might likely. He lacks any tremble or hesitancy that you may expect from someone who just accidentally killed someone and spent time trying to revive them, to no avail. The only thing about the call implicating him is that he's clearly in a rush. But that could be explained by other things. Even the way he corrects the street name - he does it clearly but stops short of sounding frustrated or condescending. He just wants her to get it right.

2) His tone and delivery make him sound like he works in the public sector, possibly a businessman, policeman, store manager, or something. He just delivers the information so well, especially given that this is terrible news he's conveying. The way he calmly says "she's turning blue" gets across the seriousness without ever yelling or cursing, ways that less polished people might use to stress the importance of their point. This fact makes me think even more that he might be in law enforcement, health care, or some other field that's made him used to staying calm and clear despite having just seen a dying person.

3) I doubt he was a burglar. He comes off as reasonably educated, and someone who follows 'social rules,' for lack of a better term. At the end of the tape he says 'Bye,' which I find interesting. I know this could be written off as reflexive, but I've heard many tapes of killers calling 911, from serial killers to remorseful accidental killers who truly want the person to be saved, but don't want to get caught. These callers never say bye. There's just always the creepy hum of the background and then click. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but I feel that him saying bye suggests he's not a typical long-time criminal type (eg. burglar) and is likely from a polite, middle-class upbringing.

Like others have mentioned, it's mind-boggling that someone would make this call knowing that she may be saved and be able to ID her killer if she sees him again, or ID his voice from the tape. Also interesting is that, at 11:30am on a public phone in what sounds to be a fairly busy area (would be interesting to see where this phone is), he was speaking at a strong volume. I figure if involved, he would reduce his tone and likely alter his voice. This guy is making zero effort to make his voice hard to identify. It all makes him seem uninvolved, which is bizarre. There's always the chance that he's a sociopath or something, in which case he could stay calm and confident in any situation.

TheCars1986
01-30-2012, 12:41 PM
Had the caller been an innocent, good samaritan (even if he entered the house for nefarious reasons like burglary) why was he so rushed over the phone with 911? And why didn't he attempt to get help from Jamie's house? Why would anyone who stumbled upon a body (which was badly in need of medical attention since the man said Jamie was turning blue) leave and then drive to a payphone to report what they saw? The man also speaks very clearly and emphasizes certain words, "She is not breathing...", "She's turning blue...", and even corrects the dispatch on how to say Stonehedge. An innocent person who stumbled on a body would have been much more frantic over the phone, IMO. And don't you think that if the caller was an innocent "good samaritan" he would have surfaced by now? It's been overy twenty years now since Jamie has died, I think that's plenty of time to get over a fear of possibly having to explain the real reason why he was in her house (if he indeed was there to burglarize it). I think it was her killer that called, and that he did not intend to kill her which is why he was contacted law enforcement. I also think there is a strong possibility that Jamie was "escorting" as a side job/business, and perhaps her killer was a "john". That would explain no signs of a forced entry, etc. I doubt it was a customer from her stripping who couldn't say "no" (like suggested in the UM segment). She certainly wouldn't have let some creep inside who was bothering her.

Here's a link (with a video) of a recent news story and article on the case. It's interesting to hear towards the end of the video that the police felt that the caller was "most probably not the killer". They also play the first 911 call the man made (before being transferred to the Wheeling PD, and this is the call we hear on the UM segment), and he does indeed sound more frantic on the first call.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8409252

And here's a link the entire 911 call:

http://www.vi.wheeling.il.us/Services/Police/santos.wav

At the very end the dispatch says something like, "He's calling from an address in Buffalo Grove", and the guy says, "Yeah". Now this is interesting, because if you google, "Buffalo Grove IL" you'll see a map and Buffalo Grove looks to be a considerable distance (a couple of miles) away from Wheeling, IL (where Jamie lived). I think the dispatch became suspicious after learning that the man was calling to report a crime several miles away, which is when she asks, "When were you at that house sir?", to which the guy replies, "Bye" and hangs up. Something an innocent person would not do either, why did this man have to hang up if he had nothing to hide? Why not answer the question?

nohwheregirl
01-31-2012, 01:15 AM
Thanks for posting the recording of the 911 call. It's been a while since I watched the segment. I think that the caller is faking excitement at first ("No! No! No! There's no time!"). Then the excitement wanes by the end of the call. I think the caller was using the 911 call as a ruse...like the cops wouldn't be smart enough to figure out that she was murdered if someone just came across her as she happened to be not breathing and turning blue. Either that, or he wanted her found sooner rather than later for some sick reason.

The ruse doesn't make a whole lot of sense b/c it probably wasn't planned. Maybe he was a client, and he turned on her. He thought at the last minute "maybe if I call 911 it will throw off the police," but he probably hadn't thought that the 911 operator would ask questions. He was hoping that she'd say, "We'll send an ambulance right away, sir! Thank you for being a good citizen!"

One thing is for sure: The guy is local. You can tell he spent most of his life in the area by the accent.

TheCars1986
01-31-2012, 09:26 AM
You can definitely tell that the original dispatch called (the one from Buffalo Grove) gets suspicious towards the end of the phone. "When were you at that house sir?" If this guy was anyone other than the killer (even a potential burglar who "stumbled" onto Jamie's body), don't you think he would have said something other than "Bye"? There's no doubt in my mind whoever killed her was the one who called 911.

LaurierCrimmajor
04-23-2012, 03:21 AM
I'll revert to the line Al Pacino says in "Heat" where they talk about the execution of the second guard for virtually no reason, "Why leave a living, breathing witness?"....

This is what sticks in my craw regarding the 911 caller. IF he was the assailant, why would he risk having her potentially resuscitated and able to point him out? Generally speaking, even if this was an accident in the heat of the moment from a stalker etc, it's not like the call came from in the house(suggesting this person fled the scene) and from that, the concern for Ms. Santos' wellbeing feels feigned at best, since it didn't appear too terribly urgent being that the person went to all the effort to call from a pay phone. UNLESS, this was just a neutralization technique on the part of the killer to sooth their conscience by at least calling 911, even if it were a moot point. I could buy that.

Flipside, I could also see this being a situation where she has some unknown stalker/peeping tom from her job/neighborhood who wasn't supposed to be watching her/creeping on her etc and we have a Rear Window scenario here and that there's an unknown person who is too ashamed to come forward because what they were doing was wrong, so they called 911 just to make sure she gets help, but there's nothing to trace the call back to his residence(if he is local)....

As I've read above, I'm 50/50 on this one. Very disturbing. Would've loved to know if PD took a run at the surrounding neighbors and looked for anything hinky.

TheCars1986
04-23-2012, 01:27 PM
I think it's entirely possible that this guy didn't intend to kill her, or maybe felt some sort of remorse for what he had done which is why he called 911. As to the point about why would anyone call 911 if there was a chance that Jamie could be revived and possibly identify the guy, I think it's possible that the guy was unknown to Jamie. Perhaps he was a burglar who didn't know anyone would be home and Jamie surprised him and during a minimal struggle he smothered her unconscious. I then think the guy hightailed it out of the area, thought about it, and decided (in some sick twisted way) that it was the "right" thing to do to call 911. Maybe this guy thought it was possible that she could still be revived. If he was unknown to her, maybe he figured since she didn't know him it would be harder to identify him.

Whoever the caller was I still think he was responsible for her death. While I don't think he intended to kill her, after he realized he had gone to far is when he decied to half-heartedly reach out to try and get her help.

Clockworkhigh
04-24-2012, 05:32 PM
I don't think there is enough emphasis placed on Jamie's line of work. She was a stripper. People want to pretend that it is a safe job but I can assure you it isn't, and I'd rather be truthful than politically correct this next little bit. How do I know? Because in my younger single days I went to a strip club a time or two...............or ten. I know how young men or even older men carry on there. Jamie would not have met a ton of savoury guys. She'd have met perverts, creeps, criminals, guys with a very poor image of women. And guys who had little respect for her.

I know what guys will do to get to know a stripper in or outside of the club. They won't come off as jerks initially. Which is what can tie into the theory that there was no forced entry since she might have built an amicable relationship with a guy from the club and trusted him.

The last job a young woman should even think of doing is stripping. I think her dad knew this because he mentioned in the segment how he feared for her safety, not to mention being a man I am sure he knew exactly the kind of "respect" his daughter got.

So I think this issue can't be emphasized enough. She doesn't work at a church, she worked at a place where bad things can and do happen with people who aren't all salt of the earth types. If there is ever a place where your chances are increased to be stalked, r*ped, or even murdered then this is it.

And yeah, I think the caller had something to do with it, probably was involved in the killings. But, here's something else to think about, who says there was just one guy? We just HEARD one guy.

TheCars1986
04-25-2012, 09:52 AM
Jamie was sick the day she died, wasn't she? Didn't she cancel her appointments for the day? I just don't see how or why she would have let one of her "customers" into her house on a day she wasn't feeling well. Unless she was doing something on the side...

DanCart
06-13-2013, 05:27 PM
At this point, I believe he was involved in Jamie's death.

However, if he was innocent, then he might have been an intruder with a bad sense of timing; perhaps this unknown caller entered Jamie's house with the intention of burglarizing it, only to discover a nearly-deceased Jamie, and then ran out of the house to call 911. So he may have gone unidentified out of fear that he would be arrested for attempted burlgarly, in addition to being wrongly implicated in Jamie's murder. To me, this theory sounds at least partially plausible.

I like your theory, that caller may be innocent of the homicide but maybe he has something else to hide - this happens all the time wth some witnesses. If thats the case its plausible why he hasnt come forward - I have seen many cases of people railroaded and wrongly convicted who just happened to be good summaritans who discovered crime victims ........

One thing I am curious about is what was Jamie`s private life like ? Did she have a boyfriend or something coz they say there wasnt any forced entry and no rape so it is a real posibility that the perp was in her inner circle ......

Another thing I have wondered is , was her not working the day beofre her murder connected to all this somehow?

DanCart
06-13-2013, 05:38 PM
Was anything stolen from her house? The reason I ask is I wonder if Jamie was assaulted by person A and person A runs out through the front door, then person B (caller) sees an open door and decides to look for valuables and then stumbles upon her body. Maybe he called the cops to help out the victim but didn't stay because he didn't want his finger prints to be found all over the house since he was going through stuff. Had he stayed after he called, he surely would have been fingerprinted just to match his prints against others found in the house.

A scenario like that could possibly be a very good reason for that caller to want to remain anonymous ....

DanCart
06-13-2013, 05:54 PM
From what I recall, there weren't any signs of forced entry, and even though there were signs of a struggle, Santos had a pillow placed carefully under her head after she had been attacked. Would someone who came to the house to burglarize or rape really go to that trouble? Whoever called even corrected the dispatcher about the address; pretty familiar knowledge for an attacker who didn't know Santos to some extent or a concerned passer by.

You make some very interesting points ! The penny dropped in the part were you mention pretty familar knowledge and the way the caller corrected the address - this makes me wonder if the caller was a Jamie`s stalker , maybe the guy was secretly stalking her and knew her movements and a lot of personal stuff about her and may have witnessed the crime or the killer but because he was infatuated with the victim he may not have wanted the cops to know of his existence as it would make him a top suspect hence he has chosen to remain unknown......

DanCart
06-13-2013, 05:59 PM
also...how come every time they have a segment about stripper on UM the strippers are shown doing the most un-sexy, un-erotic dance moves? They dance like no strippers ever. ((uh...at least that's what someone told me)).

In the segment about the lady who might have gotten lost in the vamppire subculture, she even dances and LAYS DOWN ON a bar! The Hell would lay down on a nasty beer stained bar and think that's sexy?

DanCart
06-13-2013, 06:55 PM
This is such a sad story. Not only that, it's confusing how little evidence we're given, and I'm not sure if that's UM's doing or due to the police investigation. If this were a more typical crime and the guy didn't call, we'd be focusing on things inside the house. It's rare that an investigation can't at least narrow down the general context of a murder in an enclosed space.

Regardless, everyone focused on finding the guy on the tape, which would be great. Seems little profiling has been done on the guy, but listening to it here's what I think:

1) This guy doesn't sound like a deranged random killer or someone passionately associated with her. He speaks with amazing clarity and authority, much more than someone who murdered someone. He speaks to the 911 dispatcher firmly without ever trying to manipulate or 'have fun with it,' as a premeditated killer might likely. He lacks any tremble or hesitancy that you may expect from someone who just accidentally killed someone and spent time trying to revive them, to no avail. The only thing about the call implicating him is that he's clearly in a rush. But that could be explained by other things. Even the way he corrects the street name - he does it clearly but stops short of sounding frustrated or condescending. He just wants her to get it right.

2) His tone and delivery make him sound like he works in the public sector, possibly a businessman, policeman, store manager, or something. He just delivers the information so well, especially given that this is terrible news he's conveying. The way he calmly says "she's turning blue" gets across the seriousness without ever yelling or cursing, ways that less polished people might use to stress the importance of their point. This fact makes me think even more that he might be in law enforcement, health care, or some other field that's made him used to staying calm and clear despite having just seen a dying person.

3) I doubt he was a burglar. He comes off as reasonably educated, and someone who follows 'social rules,' for lack of a better term. At the end of the tape he says 'Bye,' which I find interesting. I know this could be written off as reflexive, but I've heard many tapes of killers calling 911, from serial killers to remorseful accidental killers who truly want the person to be saved, but don't want to get caught. These callers never say bye. There's just always the creepy hum of the background and then click. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but I feel that him saying bye suggests he's not a typical long-time criminal type (eg. burglar) and is likely from a polite, middle-class upbringing.

Like others have mentioned, it's mind-boggling that someone would make this call knowing that she may be saved and be able to ID her killer if she sees him again, or ID his voice from the tape. Also interesting is that, at 11:30am on a public phone in what sounds to be a fairly busy area (would be interesting to see where this phone is), he was speaking at a strong volume. I figure if involved, he would reduce his tone and likely alter his voice. This guy is making zero effort to make his voice hard to identify. It all makes him seem uninvolved, which is bizarre. There's always the chance that he's a sociopath or something, in which case he could stay calm and confident in any situation.

You make some very interesting points about 911 calls ! IIRC about 5 or 6 years ago the FBI in their Law Enforcement bulletin published an article about studies that had been conducted on 911 calls and how it s possible to finger a guilty party based on the 911 call they make and their tone, wording etc during the call ........

I will try and track that article , it was quite intriguing.

egswanso
06-14-2013, 10:08 AM
I don't think there is enough emphasis placed on Jamie's line of work. She was a stripper. People want to pretend that it is a safe job but I can assure you it isn't, and I'd rather be truthful than politically correct this next little bit. How do I know? Because in my younger single days I went to a strip club a time or two...............or ten. I know how young men or even older men carry on there. Jamie would not have met a ton of savoury guys. She'd have met perverts, creeps, criminals, guys with a very poor image of women. And guys who had little respect for her.

I know what guys will do to get to know a stripper in or outside of the club. They won't come off as jerks initially. Which is what can tie into the theory that there was no forced entry since she might have built an amicable relationship with a guy from the club and trusted him.

The last job a young woman should even think of doing is stripping. I think her dad knew this because he mentioned in the segment how he feared for her safety, not to mention being a man I am sure he knew exactly the kind of "respect" his daughter got.

So I think this issue can't be emphasized enough. She doesn't work at a church, she worked at a place where bad things can and do happen with people who aren't all salt of the earth types. If there is ever a place where your chances are increased to be stalked, r*ped, or even murdered then this is it.

And yeah, I think the caller had something to do with it, probably was involved in the killings. But, here's something else to think about, who says there was just one guy? We just HEARD one guy.

I think this is an important point. Let's be honest: if Jamie was "stripping" at "private parties," she was likely doing other things too, such as escorting and other high-risk activities. Moreover, even if she wasn't (yet), there certainly would have been a presumption on the part of her clients that she had more services to offer. Directly, or indirectly, I strongly suspect this led to her demise.

Based on the evidence, I suspect the killer was a customer/fan who met Jamie that day for services that day or to arrange something in the future. An argument ensued, likely over what services she would perform, and he accidentally killed her. I think the attempt to prop her up and call to 911 are consistent with a remorseful killer (but not remorseful enough to turn himself in).

I suspect the killer is local and probably is a white-collar suburban type who engages the services of high-end call girls. He is still probably living in the northwest suburbs of Chicago with a wife and family that have no idea of his "hobby"

I don't find it surprising the voice wasn't identified as it's not particularly memorable. Also, on a side note, Wheeling and Buffalo Grove are right next to each other and I don't make anything of the fact that a call was placed from one to the other. Suburban town borders in the area are quite fluid and a couple blocks here or there mean you can be in a different town without really going anywhere. That's also why he's also certainly a local, simply because a non-local (esp. before GPS) would hardly be able to tell one cookie cookie cul-de-sac from another, let alone correct an address.

TheCars1986
06-14-2013, 12:25 PM
I just can't buy the potential burglar/good samaritan scenario. If someone was walking by and saw an open door, who decided to help themselves to some valuables, why wouldn't they just call the cops from Jamie's house? Same goes for the good samaritan. All the person would have to say was they were walking by, noticed the door was open, and went inside to see if everything was alright. By calling from a different town, I think this caller was the killer.

It's been awhile since I've seen the segment, but did Jamie have another job besides stripping? Because IIRC, the segment says she called out of work sick on the day she died. It makes sense if she was in fact escorting and had a "date" scheduled for that day. According to online articles, she was found "partially clothed". I wonder if she had a client over who she was going to strip for, but this guy wanted more, which resulted in a struggle and then her death.

I was mistaken about the Buffalo Grove-Wheeling distance. Several articles state the caller placed the 911 call a few blocks from Jamie's house.

MegtheEgg86
06-15-2013, 04:37 AM
There's not any evidence that Jamie Santos was doing anything but stripping for private parties.

I get that it's essentially an unsafe job. But I've always felt like everything here indicated she was murdered by someone who was close to her--such as a friend or ex-lover--or that she had a medical emergency (she was ill the night before she died--on rare occasion, symptoms that seem to indicate a cold can be far more serious) while this person was a guest at her home, and that this person panicked.

TheCars1986
06-15-2013, 10:20 AM
There's not any evidence that Jamie Santos was doing anything but stripping for private parties.

I get that it's essentially an unsafe job. But I've always felt like everything here indicated she was murdered by someone who was close to her--such as a friend or ex-lover--or that she had a medical emergency (she was ill the night before she died--on rare occasion, symptoms that seem to indicate a cold can be far more serious) while this person was a guest at her home, and that this person panicked.

I was just getting ready to post something similar. I read an old article from 92 online and it kind of changed my view on the whole case. I was thinking about the possibility of her escorting on the side, but I didn't even realize it until I read in the article how foolish it would have been to have one of her "johns" show up at her residence. She already was vocal about going to strip at "private parties" that got out of hand, and how she would just immediately leave. So that makes me think she would (if she was in fact escorting, which we are only speculating) never have someone show up to her residence. The article also notes how the 911 caller knew the precise address of the house and how he corrected the dispatchers twice. Something a "john", or an innocent passerby or potential burglar would not have remembered. I definitely am starting to lean towards a friend/ex who showed up at her house, came on to her, she rebuffed and then he killed her. Medical emergency can be ruled out, because the cause of death was listed as someone covering her mouth and nose and suffocating her to death. The only thing that bugs me about the friend or ex-boyfriend theory is no one in her family or any of her friends recognized his voice.

Not that there's much more info provided that we already know, but here's a link to the article:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-05-15/features/9202130130_1_santos-tough-cookie-interior-decorator

MegtheEgg86
06-15-2013, 06:09 PM
I was just getting ready to post something similar. I read an old article from 92 online and it kind of changed my view on the whole case. I was thinking about the possibility of her escorting on the side, but I didn't even realize it until I read in the article how foolish it would have been to have one of her "johns" show up at her residence. She already was vocal about going to strip at "private parties" that got out of hand, and how she would just immediately leave. So that makes me think she would (if she was in fact escorting, which we are only speculating) never have someone show up to her residence. The article also notes how the 911 caller knew the precise address of the house and how he corrected the dispatchers twice. Something a "john", or an innocent passerby or potential burglar would not have remembered. I definitely am starting to lean towards a friend/ex who showed up at her house, came on to her, she rebuffed and then he killed her. Medical emergency can be ruled out, because the cause of death was listed as someone covering her mouth and nose and suffocating her to death. The only thing that bugs me about the friend or ex-boyfriend theory is no one in her family or any of her friends recognized his voice.

Not that there's much more info provided that we already know, but here's a link to the article:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-05-15/features/9202130130_1_santos-tough-cookie-interior-decorator

Thanks for posting the article link. I have no idea how anyone was able to ascertain the caller was in his forties just from listening to the recording. :confused:

Nonetheless, the information there tends to fortify my confidence that it was someone she knew well. And you hit the nail on the head: If she were so security-conscious, it's difficult to conceive that she'd have clients over at her own residence.

Simply anecdotal and nothing more: my family and friends don't always know other people in my life very well. For instance, my friends from high school often haven't met my friends from college, or another facet of my life. My family pretty well knows nearly all my high school friends, but not my college friends. My fiancé has met none of my friends from high school. It quickly becomes complicated. Jamie's life could have been reasonably similar. Just my $0.02.

TheCars1986
06-17-2013, 09:14 AM
Nonetheless, the information there tends to fortify my confidence that it was someone she knew well. And you hit the nail on the head: If she were so security-conscious, it's difficult to conceive that she'd have clients over at her own residence.

Yeah, I don't think the theory of a "client" is plausible anymore. Definitely a person she knew well. I lean more towards a friend who had feelings for her. Didn't the UM segment say she called a friend the night before she died? I wonder if the friend was a man or a woman, and I can't remember if UM showed or interviewed the friend.

egswanso
06-17-2013, 01:05 PM
There's not any evidence that Jamie Santos was doing anything but stripping for private parties.

I get that it's essentially an unsafe job. But I've always felt like everything here indicated she was murdered by someone who was close to her--such as a friend or ex-lover--or that she had a medical emergency (she was ill the night before she died--on rare occasion, symptoms that seem to indicate a cold can be far more serious) while this person was a guest at her home, and that this person panicked.

You're right; but the client might not have accepted that.

Your friend/ex theory is certainly plausible and arguably more likely then mine; but it doesn't seem like this was a medical emergency - my understanding is that she was strangled.

TheCars1986
06-17-2013, 01:25 PM
You're right; but the client might not have accepted that.

Your friend/ex theory is certainly plausible and arguably more likely then mine; but it doesn't seem like this was a medical emergency - my understanding is that she was strangled.

The link on the article I posted says she died from suffocation while someone held her mouth and nose closed.

egswanso
06-17-2013, 01:46 PM
The link on the article I posted says she died from suffocation while someone held her mouth and nose closed.

I read that article and should have remembered that. Regardless, as you pointed out, that's not a medical problem, that's murder.

QuenSolen
02-02-2014, 07:51 PM
If I was walking down a street and saw the door to someone's house wide open I certainly would not walk right in to see what is going on even if I did hear a commotion all the more reason for me to keep it moving. I believe the would be good Samaritan in this case is the actual killer!!!
...but you'd call 911 if you heard a struggle right?

If I saw a door wide open with no sign of anybody I might walk up to the door and call out into the house. If I didn't get any answer I would probably call a friend to trade thoughts, and to keep on the phone. While talking with my friend I would go inside slightly. In a typical house in my neighborhood I should be able to see a living room, and possibly a kitchen from inside the front door. I certainly wouldn't venture any further inside alone.

At this point If I saw/heard nothing, I would probably step back outside, hang up with my friend, and call the police department number (NOT 911) to see if they could send an officer or two to have a look around the property. Then I'd text with my friend while I wait for them to arrive and take charge of the situation, whatever it may be.

TheCars1986
02-03-2014, 09:59 AM
I definitely think whoever called 911 was the same person who killed Jamie. The guy hung up immediately after the operater asked him, "what were you doing there sir?" If he was a potential burglar, or just a passerby, why not just say I was walking around and saw the door open so I checked it out?

lindamichelle1
03-09-2014, 03:19 AM
Hmm this is a confusing one indeed.
I havent seen the video so am missing alot. but have read the whole thread. was it ever confirmed why she took the day off work? was she sick? or was that just a guess.
I also seem to agree with others that i dont think even if she was escorting and things of that nature i highly doubt she would give a client her address, she would go to them. so i would hazard a guess she knew the person to just let them in. i know it is possible someone could have followed her home one night from the strip club. BUT they would have to know she was home that day and that she would cancel her plans. this seems to me that it wasnt planned. i think it was most likely accidental. i think the caller is the killer, maybe a friend who pushed himself onto her or a regular client who maybe paid well so she cancelled her other plans? but the simple fact he changed towns to call the police is very telling he wasnt innocent, if some random stumbled on her they would have rang from her house, or ran to a neighbour, but they didnt, they drove to another town and called, which also points to me that they didnt mean to kill her, and didnt want her lying dead until someone else found her, and didnt want to be found himself. i wonder if the town he called from is where he lives.
i wonder who she called the night before as well, was that person ever interviewed?

Stack7
04-06-2014, 11:54 PM
This one is definitely a head scratcher. If the caller was the killer I don't see why he would call 911 for help since she would be able to identify him. On the other hand why wouldn't he come forward with more info. I think the caller was with the killer at her house for whatever reason and made an honest effort to get her help without letting his partner know. Who knows though. Can't believe they didn't get any leads off of the 911 recording!

MissKitka731
02-25-2016, 04:31 PM
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-01-01/news/9201010027_1_liquor-store-police-santos

I've actually never come across this particular series of articles about Jamie before. Interesting that police actually had a video clip of a suspect shown on the local news. The owner of the liquor store claimed that this man made him so uncomfortable, he aimed the security camera directly at him. What I also gathered from the articles is that this same person was identified by a few locals as the voice from the 911 call.

How can this be a coincidence?? Could it be that police had to dismiss him because there wasn't enough to charge him...? I wonder how the case might have panned out if current forensic technology had been available in 1991.

Thoughts? I'd love to speak to the detective that handled this case, or any local who remembers the news broadcast!

1990 UM fan
10-28-2016, 02:54 PM
Today marks 25 years since Jamie Santos' death. I am intrigued by the previous post. So they had a suspect but let him go? DNA technology today would work wonders on this case, I believe.

TheCars1986
01-10-2017, 09:25 PM
Today marks 25 years since Jamie Santos' death. I am intrigued by the previous post. So they had a suspect but let him go? DNA technology today would work wonders on this case, I believe.

I've read 6-7 articles about Jamie's murder on the Chicago Tribune's website and have yet to come across anything remotely related to what that poster said above. The only thing they mention is that there was a POI that was captured on a surveillance camera at a liquor store roughly around the same time the phone call was made, but that he was eventually ruled out and was nothing more than a possible witness to the man making the 911 call.

WilliamHBonney
09-10-2017, 09:22 PM
If the guy on the phone was the killer and was a middle aged man he could be deceased by now.

TheCars1986
06-03-2019, 01:36 PM
There really needs to be a new investigative dive into this case. This is one of the most underrated UM cases ever featured, IMO.

Latka Gravas
03-29-2021, 11:05 AM
This JS case is tragic & bizarre. She was an "exotic dancer" who had been assaulted & found near death (and who later died) on the outskirts of the Chicago, IL area - back in the early '90's.

What makes the case especially strange is that there was a call that went out (from a pay-phone, allegedly) that let authorities know about JS being in distress - in her apartment. So, who made the call?! If it was the perpetrator, was he feeling regret over what he did?! Or, was it a passerby that went into JS's apartment and noticed that she was unresponsive?!

Based on the UM segment, there was no sign of forced entry into her place, so it looks like she may have known the perp. & let him/her in.

Huskerz85
03-31-2021, 02:59 PM
I was just getting ready to post something similar. I read an old article from 92 online and it kind of changed my view on the whole case. I was thinking about the possibility of her escorting on the side, but I didn't even realize it until I read in the article how foolish it would have been to have one of her "johns" show up at her residence. She already was vocal about going to strip at "private parties" that got out of hand, and how she would just immediately leave. So that makes me think she would (if she was in fact escorting, which we are only speculating) never have someone show up to her residence. The article also notes how the 911 caller knew the precise address of the house and how he corrected the dispatchers twice. Something a "john", or an innocent passerby or potential burglar would not have remembered. I definitely am starting to lean towards a friend/ex who showed up at her house, came on to her, she rebuffed and then he killed her. Medical emergency can be ruled out, because the cause of death was listed as someone covering her mouth and nose and suffocating her to death. The only thing that bugs me about the friend or ex-boyfriend theory is no one in her family or any of her friends recognized his voice.

Not that there's much more info provided that we already know, but here's a link to the article:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-05-15/features/9202130130_1_santos-tough-cookie-interior-decorator


I wouldn't think it unusual for it to be someone she had been casually seeing, an ex-flame she had only dated for a short period or for it to be a 'booty call' if you will........those types of people/acquaintances could have a tendency to fly under the radar as far as the other person's friends/family are concerned

Latka Gravas
03-31-2021, 04:11 PM
I wouldn't think it unusual for it to be someone she had been casually seeing, an ex-flame she had only dated for a short period or for it to be a 'booty call' if you will........those types of people/acquaintances could have a tendency to fly under the radar as far as the other person's friends/family are concerned

Exactly. If it was someone JS was casually seeing, her family probably wouldn't know about him - and maybe she wouldn't have wanted them to know about him. Going along with this, due to JS's profession - she may have run into some unsavory people that she didn't want her family to come into contact with - and the killer may have been one of those people.

TheCars1986
04-01-2021, 07:43 AM
I wouldn't think it unusual for it to be someone she had been casually seeing, an ex-flame she had only dated for a short period or for it to be a 'booty call' if you will........those types of people/acquaintances could have a tendency to fly under the radar as far as the other person's friends/family are concerned

The person who called 911 seemed like they wanted Jamie to be possibly revived. The caller made the call about 1 mile (5 minute drive) from Jamie's house. If the guy who called was not the killer and a random burglar or good samaritin, I doubt they would have gone 1 mile to call for help. They would have used Jamie's phone. IMO, the guy who called was the one who attacked her. And I think he had some sort of a guilty conscience for what he had done, which is why he called 911 and tried to get help. I had forgot that the 911 call came in at 11:30 a.m. on a Monday morning. That makes me wonder if the killer was completely unknown to Jamie, who had broken in with the intent to burglarize the home, but was surprised by Jamie and then he smothered her and fled. This would fit in with why he called 911 as well. He didn't intend to kill Jamie. Someone known to Jamie, who had just attacked her, ran the possibility of the paramedics reviving Jamie and having their identity revealed. Someone unknown to Jamie did not run that risk.

WishfulDreamer
04-01-2021, 05:41 PM
The person who called 911 seemed like they wanted Jamie to be possibly revived. The caller made the call about 1 mile (5 minute drive) from Jamie's house. If the guy who called was not the killer and a random burglar or good samaritin, I doubt they would have gone 1 mile to call for help. They would have used Jamie's phone. IMO, the guy who called was the one who attacked her. And I think he had some sort of a guilty conscience for what he had done, which is why he called 911 and tried to get help. I had forgot that the 911 call came in at 11:30 a.m. on a Monday morning. That makes me wonder if the killer was completely unknown to Jamie, who had broken in with the intent to burglarize the home, but was surprised by Jamie and then he smothered her and fled. This would fit in with why he called 911 as well. He didn't intend to kill Jamie. Someone known to Jamie, who had just attacked her, ran the possibility of the paramedics reviving Jamie and having their identity revealed. Someone unknown to Jamie did not run that risk.

I agree. He deliberately evaded the 911 operator's question of "When were you at that house, sir?" and immediately just said, "Bye." A random good samaritan would likely have stayed on the phone in addition to not driving a mile away from the house.

TheCars1986
10-10-2023, 11:17 AM
Here (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/1765/Allegro+Deli/@42.1419428,-87.9590865,803m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x880fbc741c989a37:0xd07e231b328a64c5!2m2!1d-87.958038!2d42.143372!1m5!1m1!1s0x880fbb89fce2eb13:0x44f6e64f22ab6ddf!2m2!1d-87.9578237!2d42.1405454!3e0?entry=ttu) is where the phone call to 911 was placed in relation to where Jamie lived. It was the first public payphone the caller would have come across, according to this (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1992-01-01-9201010027-story.html) article. Anyone walking on S Buffalo Grove Rd could have seen (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1433815,-87.9583985,3a,43y,91.68h,80.71t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPOxsCElWX2D1WsQU3LMvBg!2e0!5s20181001T000000!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu) the rear entrance to her apartment. There was a cluster of buildings that housed what appears to be 3 apartments in each building on Stonehedge Court. The 911 call came in at around 11:31 a.m. and police arrived at Jamie's apartment at 11:36 a.m. (and she was barely alive). If the 911 caller was her killer, wasn't he hedging his bet on an awful lot of luck that she would actually die and not be revived by the paramedics? What would have happened if they saved her life?

Jamie told a friend the day before her death that she wasn't feeling well and planned on staying in and renting and watching movies on Sunday the 27th. 911 call takes place the next day at 11:31 a.m. This (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1992-10-22-9204050653-story.html) article written near the 1 year anniversary of her death quoted the Deputy Police Chief:

''This investigation leads us to believe the person who called 911 on Oct. 28, 1991, was not the person responsible for Jamie`s death,'' Hermes said.

''The caller may have vital information leading to the identity of the person responsible,'' he said. ''While we understand the possible reluctance of this person to be identified, we are appealing to the 911 caller to contact us and provide any information he might have.''

From that same article, there was a very interesting line:

After the news conference, Hermes said investigators have all but ruled out a woman as the killer because of the lack of a violent struggle at the scene.

This (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1992-05-15-9202130130-story.html) article has a few interesting nuggets that I had never seen before.

''Everyone knows strippers have a lot of cash on Monday mornings,'' says Steve Higgins of Leather `N` Lace, one of the agencies Santos had worked for. Santos would keep her money in a deposit envelope, but the envelope was never found.

The motive was right there all along under our noses. This was not some rebuffed or scorned ex-boyfriend or lover, nor was this some weirdo customer (family and friends said she kept the private life away from her work life and even used a fake name when dancing). This was someone who knew she worked that weekend and knew she had cash and where she kept it. Even though the quote above says that police have "all but ruled out a woman" as a possibility, I think that might be the reason this case has gone unsolved for so long. IMO, a woman being responsible is a strong possibility. It would explain how they were able to gain access into the apartment without forced entry. It would explain how this person was close enough to Jamie to know where she kept her money. It would explain why there was no sexual assault. Police looked into several men in Jamie's lives: ex-boyfriends, people she worked with, friends, family, etc. and came up with nothing.

As for the 911 caller, the guy could have lived or been visiting someone in that apartment complex. He sees the door to Jamie's apartment open; goes inside and calls out to see if someone is there and finds Jamie dying on the floor. Or he could have been an opportunist (IMO, this is more likely). Sees the door to the apartment open and thinks he's going to burglarize the empty apartment but finds Jamie dying instead. He freaks out and drives to the closest payphone and wants nothing to do with telling the operator why he was at her apartment.

ogapogadots
10-12-2023, 11:53 PM
It seems like attacker AND caller are the same: remorse. 1) Put pillow under her head and 2) called 911. No way a killer had INSTANT remorse, then another stranger walks by and has instant secret remorse/guilt too! No! I think it's a man due to voice on 911 call. Probably not a jealous stripper.

I think he's a secret admirer turned stalker from her high school days. No one recognized his voice as he was a late bloomer and his voice changed. He was quiet/shy thus he rarely spoke. Then he's shy, quiet, reserved, but full of secret envy and anger n lust. No one suspected him? He knew her address from phone book, he knew her real nm from high-school. Didn't matter if he knew she was a stripper with a fake name or not...


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Jamie told a friend the day before her death that she wasn't feeling well and planned on staying in and renting and watching movies on Sunday the 27th. 911 call takes place the next day at 11:31 a.m. This (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1992-10-22-9204050653-story.html) article written near the 1 year anniversary of her death quoted the Deputy Police Chief:



From that same article, there was a very interesting line:



This (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1992-05-15-9202130130-story.html) article has a few interesting nuggets that I had never seen before.



The motive was right there all along under our noses. This was not some rebuffed or scorned ex-boyfriend or lover, nor was this some weirdo customer (family and friends said she kept the private life away from her work life and even used a fake name when dancing). This was someone who knew she worked that weekend and knew she had cash and where she kept it. Even though the quote above says that police have "all but ruled out a woman" as a possibility, I think that might be the reason this case has gone unsolved for so long. IMO, a woman being responsible is a strong possibility. It would explain how they were able to gain access into the apartment without forced entry. It would explain how this person was close enough to Jamie to know where she kept her money. It would explain why there was no sexual assault. Police looked into several men in Jamie's lives: ex-boyfriends, people she worked with, friends, family, etc. and came up with nothing.

As for the 911 caller, the guy could have lived or been visiting someone in that apartment complex. He sees the door to Jamie's apartment open; goes inside and calls out to see if someone is there and finds Jamie dying on the floor. Or he could have been an opportunist (IMO, this is more likely). Sees the door to the apartment open and thinks he's going to burglarize the empty apartment but finds Jamie dying instead. He freaks out and drives to the closest payphone and wants nothing to do with telling the operator why he was at her apartment.