Which song that was performed on the TV Show is your favorite? I had to add the "Television Only" part because there are so many great songs that they did which never made it onto the show... did they ever perform "Listen to the Band" on the show? I don't remember it ever being done...

Anyway, MY favorite song from the show was "Auntie Grizzelda". It had a really psychotic and frantic feeling to it, and I remember that it made me think Peter was a lunatic when i first heard it!

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They performed Listen to the Band in their special 33 1/3 Revolutions Per Monkee.

I really loved so many of their songs,so I can't narrow it down to one.But the songs I remember hearing on television before I bought their records include I Wanna Be Free (sung in a very moving episode),I'm Not Your Stepping-Stone(the flip side of I'm A Believer),Shades of Grey(which I could relate more and more to as I got older)and Star Collector(a good example of their later musical days).

I liked I Wanna Be Free,Your Auntie Grizelda,You Just May Be The One and the Monkees' theme song.

The Girl I Knew Somewhere.

That was the song that really got me into the monkees, and convinced me to buy the Listen To The Band box set. Plus, Julie Newmar was in the episode the song appeared in!

wow tough one........i have a tie!!! and the winners are:
*love is only sleeping*
*i wanna be free ( fast version from pilot episode!)*
*papa genes blues*
those are my top three!!
i also love *star collector* but if i add anymore ill wind up putting every single episode on here lol!
*jnesmit*

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forever devoted..

Daydream Believer, I wanna be Free, Last train to Clarksville!

My favorites hafta be either "Goin' Down" which was written by the Monkees themselves, or "Valleri"

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My fav songs from the show were "I'm A Believer" (definitely), "Star Collector", "Sometime in the Morning", "Daydream Believer", and "Pleasant Valley Sunday" http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

I've only heard two (Daydream Beleiver and The Monkees Theme), it would have to be "Daydream Beleiver".

Oh my! Too many! Daydream Believer is on top! There were two new ones when they made their comeback but I can't remember the titles! I had it on cassette and wore it out! Does anyone know the titles? They were made for their return?

Mine have to be "Words", "For pete's sake", and "saturdays child"

Last Train To Clarksville
Daydream Believer
I'm A Believer-the last 'cause if I remember it right it was the
song they sang on the eppie where Peter sells his soul and
they have to take the Devil to court to get his soul back!

Randy Scouse Git and Daily Nightly are my two tops from the show, and the Porpoise Song is my other favorite, but that's from their movie Head.

Peace,
Manda

I'm Not Your Steppin' Stone is a hard rock classic in my book! I STILL put it on mixed tapes today....it fits nicely with Ozzy,Guns and Roses,Iron Maiden........fits right in.

Was All of Your Toys ever on TV? That's one of my many favs.

The only song that I remember after all of these years is the show's opening theme. I remember watching the Monkees on Saturday mornings, I enjoyed the comedy as much as the singing.

I still cannot believe that the Monkees rejected Mick Jagger, but I guess he got the last laugh, because he went on to great success with the Rolling Stones, while the Monkees only achieved moderate success. They are however reuniting.

What do you mean they rejected Mick Jagger? AND, The Monkees never achieved moderate success, they were at one point bigger than the Beatles!!!
Oh yeah, my favorite song from an episode is Salesman. And I love the romp that went with it in "The Devil and Peter Tork"

The Monkees have never been nor will ever be in the class with the Beatles, if you believe that, than you are living in some sort of fantasy!

I would not even mention the Monkees in the same breath with the Beatles.

As far as Monkees rejecting Mick Jagger, that information came from Dick Clark. I think he would know, don't you?

The Monkees are in the same boat as the Beatles. Back in the 60's the Monkees outsold the Beatles AND The Rolling Stones combined for a couple of years.
And no, I'm not living in a fantasy thankyouverymuch. I am entitled to my own opinion. (which also happens to be fact)

A couple of years does not even make a decade, look at their whole body of work vs the Beatles and you will find that there is no comparison.

The Beatles music is timeless, and is still enjoyed by a new generation. Everyone knows who John, Paul, George and Ringo is, while most people can only recall one Monkee and that is Davey Jones.

As far as hits go, the Beatles had over 40 hits, many of them were number 1 or at the very least top 10 hits, they had another 20 or so hits as single artists, with Paul McCartney doing most of the damage as a single artist or with his group Wings. I still hear many of these songs on major radio stations. I do not hear any so-called Monkee hit records on the radio these days. If they were as a good as the beatles, don't you think they would play their music as often?

So if you want to compare the Monkees to anyone, I suggest that you choose an easier target like the Turtles, or someone whom the Monkees can easily outshine. Because there is absolutely NO WAY will they outshine the Beatles, at least not in any rational person's mind. So forget about it, because it will not happen in this lifetime.

I went back and did a little research on the Monkees and to my surprise they actually had 6 top 10 hits, however what is not surprising is that they did not write any of these hit songs. Instead they relied on other writers like Neil Diamond and others to write these hits for them.


By contrast all but one of the Beatles hit records were written by one of the 4 members. The only hit that was not written by a Beatle was "Twist and Shout".

First, I would like to point that whether The Beatles are better that the Monkees is strictly opinion. Sure The Beatles have a lot more hits, but whether they are a great band or not is based on opinion. Yes, they do recruit new young fans all the time but so do the Monkees. Just go over to themonkees.com message board and ask who there is under 20. I bet you over half. So in closing why don't we just drop this. I like the Monkees you like the Beatles and we aren't going to change each other's minds. And lastly, this debate could have done without you insulting me.

As far as the Beatles being better than the Monkees goes, it is not merely conjecture on my part, instead it is the accepted opinion by virtually everyone in the music idustry.

Many musical artists cite the Beatles as being their musical influence. I don't think that very many have publicly made that claim about the Monkees. I have personally not heard of any artists giving credit to the Monkees musical talent. But I have heard a plethora of artists giving credit to the Beatles.

You made the comment that it is a matter of one's personal opinion as to which band was better. Of course it is strictly one's opinion, particularly when one like yourself has no fuel for an argument. If you had fuel for your argument, than you would not have made that statement, instead you would have presented facts that would support your claim, like I have clearly done.

The real fact is that the Monkees were nothing more than an offshoot of the Beatlemaina frenzy that dominated the 1960s. The Monkees were good singers, I will give them that, however they could not match the Beatles song writing ability.

The Beatles ability to write and perform their own music is what truly separates them from the many wantabes.

I think in your mind you know that there is no comparison between the Beatles and the Monkees, other than the fact that they were both British Bands. After that the comparison must end, because the Beatles were much better.

However, I will end this debate, because what I have said is common knowledge, anyone with a computer can research the facts about either group and draw the same conclusion, provided they do so objectively. My statements are not meant to degrade the Monkees in any way, but instead my purpose was to give you a reality check, particularly since you have been stuck in this Monkees fantasy world!

As far as going to the Monkees.com, I must respectfully decline, because I am sure that any information there will probably be skewed by deranged Monkees fans reliving their tv fantasies.

It is not about which band I like better, it is about which band was better. You were the one who chose to bring the Beatles into this discussion, by suggesting that the Monkees were better than the Beatles. That is a mistake I bet you wish you had not made. Because I exposed your skewed facts for what they really were, and provided the real facts regarding the Beatles. Facts that clearly show the real picture of the Beatles success.:wave:

I was looking at the inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and I noticed that the Beatles were inducted in 1988.

But guess what group was nowhere to be found? Yep, you guessed it, the MONKEES ARE NOT in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

However, their peers are listed (i.e. the Beach Boys, the Animals, Simon and Garfunkle, the Mamas and the Papas etc.). But I did not see the Monkees anywhere. So do you still think that the Monkees are equal to the Beatles?

Or could it be that the Hall of Fame knows a thing or two about music? And perhaps they are able to separate the real thing (The Beatles) from the mere imitation (the Monkees).

I THINK THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

BECAUSE THE MONKEES WILL NEVER BE INDUCTED INTO THE HALL OF FAME.

Randy Scouse Git
Daily Nightly
Zor and Zam
Star Collector

to me, the difference between the monkees and the beatles is that lennon, mccartney and harrison from the beatles are 3 of the best songwriters in the history of music, whereas the monkees rarely even wrote their own material. not to mention that the beatles performed over 10 years, the monkees barely half that.

if it means anything, the monkees were probably had a better tv and movie presence.

just MY opinion.

You can stop posting messages to me Tiger32 because I am not reading them. I don't care. I still think the Monkees are better that the Beatles and there is nothing you can do to change my mind. I just came back because someone else posted a response and I am glad he/she stated their opinion without insulting someone. Thank you, I really appreciate it :)

Originally posted by Tiger32
BECAUSE THE MONKEES WILL NEVER BE INDUCTED INTO THE HALL OF FAME.

How on earth do you know that? Are you on the induction board?

First of all, just because you aren't in the RRHOF does NOT mean you suck. I noticed that Ritchie Valens just got inducted last year- 42 years after his death. It took them awhile to induct him, so what makes you think the Monkees will NEVER get in?

Second, this IS mostly a matter of opinion. Yes, you can say the Beatles were better songwriters, or were more accomplished musically, and that's true, but a lot of it's still opinion. One person could listen to Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and think it's pure genious, while another could think it's commercial trash. EVERYTHING IS OPINION. 2+2=4 is fact, the Beatles are gods and the Monkees are peasants or vice versa is an opinion no matter how you look at it.

Both bands are good and made their own little mark on the music world, even if the Beatles mark was commercially bigger. Besides, if the Monkees were as bad as you are making them out to be, no one would bother to talk about them. The fact that we're even debating this should signal that the Monkees were a somewhat reputable band.

It really does not matter what you or I think, because the Monkees will never make it in, they were only a tv show. Sure they had 6 hit records, but that does not qualify them for the hall of fame.

Both Mickey and Michael have stated that they do not belong in the Hall of Fame. I believe that most people in the music industry would agree. :wave:

Okay, so was their star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for TV or recording?

Primarily for their television success.

If their musical talent is to be rewarded, they would present them with a grammy to distinguish them from their peers. Many people who are famous and not so famous have received a star on the walk of fame. The number who have received stars on the walk of fame is well into the thousands. But keep in mind this is not an award given to them by their peers.

so how many grammys did the Monkees win?

It should be noted that the Beatles have won several.

The answer to that question is zero grammys for the Monkees. Which is not at all surprising.

To Buckeye Deb: I just checked my Then & Now tape from the 80's. There were 3 new songs released on it: That Was Then, This Is Now, Kicks, and Anytime, Anyplace, Anywhere. Do any of these sound like the ones you are looking for?

To Tiger32: First of all, Mick Jagger never tried out for the Monkees. I have heard the rumor that Charles Manson tried out for the Monkees (which is also untrue) but never this one. Micky Dolenz's name has no "e" in it. It is a pet peeve of most Monkee fans when people spell his name with an "e". Io have never heard of Micky and Mike saying they do not belong in the R&RHOF. The Monkees and Beatles are friends so I don't understand why their fans should fight over who is better.

All Of Your Toys is a truly great Monkee song but it was never released in the 60's due to some copyright problems I believe. It didn't come out until Rhino released it on bonus tracks. I always loved Davy's Look Out Here Comes Tommorrow as he looked so into that song when he did it for the show. He looked as if he were truly attempting to make a painful descision, or perhaps he just had some gas.

Well Tammy, I am sure there are a lot of things that you never heard of, but that does not mean that they are not true. I suggest that you do some research as to whether Mick Jagger was rejected for the Monkees.

As far as I am concerned, if Dick Clark said it, then I take him for his word. Dick Clark is not the type of person to make a statement like that unless he knows the facts.

Actually, I happen to know quite a bit about the Monkees. I've been a fan since 1997 and I've read several books about/by them and have learned a lot of interesting facts by talking to other fans. Many people get facts about the Monkees confused, so I would not believe what the average person says about the Monkees unless I know that they're a fan.

Four or five years is nothing!

I watched the Monkees when they were on network television, more than 30 years ago. However, I do not consider myself to be an expert on the Monkees. But I know that they were not as good as the Beatles, as some in this forum have suggested.

With all due respect, I consider Dick Clark to be the foremost expert when it comes to music of that era, and he is certainly not the average person. Many years ago on his radio series entitled "Rock Roll and Remember", he talked about how the Monkees began, and how Mick Jagger had expressed interest as being part of the new Monkees television show, which was currently in development. The producers instead selected the lesser known Davey Jones rather than Jagger, and of course the rest is history.

Why would Dick Clark make up this story if it were not true? Dick Clark is one of the most highly regarded individuals in the entertainment industry. He is also the master of little known trivia. He had nothing to gain for providing this information.

4 or 5 years is something, it is not my fault I was not born earlier and I have learned alot about the Monkees in 4 or 5 years. Again, who is better is a matter of opinion and both groups had different accomplishments. I didn't say Dick Clark said something wrong on purpose, it may have been a mistake or maybe you heard it wrong or remembered it wrong.

You are right it is not your fault that you were born later. I am not suggesting that your age is a problem, however, I am saying that 4 to 5 years does not make one an expert of anything. If that were so, than I would be an expert of many things.

I also did not say that Mick Jagger auditioned for the Monkees, I just said that he was rejected. Which means that he expressed interest in the project, which may have involved him directly contacting the producers, or more likely his agent checking into it for him. In any case the producers of the show wanted to go with an unknown face, so they chose Davey Jones instead. I do not know whether Mick Jagger was seriously considered for the part or not. But I do trust the journalistic integrity of Dick Clark, because he will not say something like that without thoroughly checking the facts, which probably involved him talking directly to the shows producers, as well as with Mick Jagger.

As for the real issue, the Beatles were much better than the Monkees, the record speaks for itself. I cited all of the Beatles awards, including their winning of several grammy awards, 40 plus hit records, 20 of which were number 1 hits. In addition to all this, they had another 25 hits as solo artists. And finally the Beatles were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. By contrast the Monkees only had 6 hit records, they did not write their own music, they did not win any grammys, and they have not been nor will they ever be elected into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. One would think that if the recording industry had any regard for the Monkees, than they would have been given at least one grammy, and perhaps elected into the Hall of Fame. So, yes it is a matter of opinion regarding the Monkees, but it is an opinion that is shared by virtually everyone in the recording industry, and that holds a lot of weight with me. :wave:

The Monkees' version of Daydream Believer rocks!

Just to be different, lol. I think The kind of girl I could love. When Mike sings it, and you get to see the guys playing, yeah, yeah, I know they probably weren't really. It's one of the only times that mike looks happy to me. Isn't that the one where he winks? I'd have to go drag out a tape and see.

My favorite is Daydream Believer but Pleasent Valley Sunday comes a close second.