J.J. takes African Americans back to the days of Stepin Flected, acting like an idiot and a buffon! I find this charcter demeaning to African Americans! This sterotypes the African American family in a negative way!

Those are the complaints raised by John Amos(James) and Esther Rolle(Florida) to the producers behind the scenes. Amos was eventually fired from the series(his character, James Evans was killed in an auto accident). Esther Rolle also left for one year due to her outrage over the J.J. character/
direction of the show.

On the flip side Jimmie Walker(J.J.) says he just wanted to portray a funny character and based a lot of his material on the Ed Norton/Art Carney character of The Honeymooners. I guess it's up for the viewer to decide.

I've heard this before and I think this argument is bogus. Apparently you haven't seen Steppin' Fetchit, because you'd know he's about 100 times more outrageous and stereotypical than the JJ character. Look at the JJ character and if you really dissect it, you'll see it's not a character that is a stereotype of blacks, but one that is the typical over the top character that is relative of sitcom. You can turn on the television and find characters like this in almost every show, some more low-key than JJ, but they are there. This argument puts up the ridiculous notion that hysterical, over the top characters can't be played by black people because it makes them buffoons. Steppin Fetchit really was a stereotype and offensive, JJ is a character that is a typical idiot that is black.

I see people nit-pick over black characters all the time, like I've heard Nell from "Gimme A Break" called a variation of Mammy, complaints about Benson being a butler and Webster being adopted by a white family. What people fail to see is that these characters could be played by anyone, but just happen to be black.

I've heard this before and I think this argument is bogus. Apparently you haven't seen Steppin' Fetchit, because you'd know he's about 100 times more outrageous and stereotypical than the JJ character. Look at the JJ character and if you really dissect it, you'll see it's not a character that is a stereotype of blacks, but one that is the typical over the top character that is relative of sitcom. You can turn on the television and find characters like this in almost every show, some more low-key than JJ, but they are there. This argument puts up the ridiculous notion that hysterical, over the top characters can't be played by black people because it makes them buffoons. Steppin Fetchit really was a stereotype and offensive, JJ is a character that is a typical idiot that is black.

I see people nit-pick over black characters all the time, like I've heard Nell from "Gimme A Break" called a variation of Mammy, complaints about Benson being a butler and Webster being adopted by a white family. What people fail to see is that these characters could be played by anyone, but just happen to be black.

agreed :nod:

I've heard this before and I think this argument is bogus. Apparently you haven't seen Steppin' Fetchit, because you'd know he's about 100 times more outrageous and stereotypical than the JJ character. Look at the JJ character and if you really dissect it, you'll see it's not a character that is a stereotype of blacks, but one that is the typical over the top character that is relative of sitcom. You can turn on the television and find characters like this in almost every show, some more low-key than JJ, but they are there. This argument puts up the ridiculous notion that hysterical, over the top characters can't be played by black people because it makes them buffoons. Steppin Fetchit really was a stereotype and offensive, JJ is a character that is a typical idiot that is black.

I see people nit-pick over black characters all the time, like I've heard Nell from "Gimme A Break" called a variation of Mammy, complaints about Benson being a butler and Webster being adopted by a white family. What people fail to see is that these characters could be played by anyone, but just happen to be black.

:yourock: RIGHT ON MAN! :clap I'm with you ALL the way! :wave:

I've heard this before and I think this argument is bogus. Apparently you haven't seen Steppin' Fetchit, because you'd know he's about 100 times more outrageous and stereotypical than the JJ character. Look at the JJ character and if you really dissect it, you'll see it's not a character that is a stereotype of blacks, but one that is the typical over the top character that is relative of sitcom. You can turn on the television and find characters like this in almost every show, some more low-key than JJ, but they are there. This argument puts up the ridiculous notion that hysterical, over the top characters can't be played by black people because it makes them buffoons. Steppin Fetchit really was a stereotype and offensive, JJ is a character that is a typical idiot that is black.

I see people nit-pick over black characters all the time, like I've heard Nell from "Gimme A Break" called a variation of Mammy, complaints about Benson being a butler and Webster being adopted by a white family. What people fail to see is that these characters could be played by anyone, but just happen to be black.

VERY good point.;)

Annn Annnn wrong answer!!!!! I have read different books and documetary and seen movies with Stepin Flected and Willie Best. I sick to my point, it's degrading as Amos n Andy was.You just feel that way because obvious your a big fan of that show. I didn't find webster , gimme a break or benson offensive at all.

Annn Annnn wrong answer!!!!! I have read different books and documetary and seen movies with Stepin Flected and Willie Best. I sick to my point, it's degrading as Amos n Andy was.You just feel that way because obvious your a big fan of that show. I didn't find webster , gimme a break or benson offensive at all.No, it's not because I'm a fan of the show, I just don't see the character as degrading, just as an idiot like on any other show. Amos and Andy was an attempt to stereotype, Good Times wasn't.

Annn Annnn wrong answer!!!!! I have read different books and documetary and seen movies with Stepin Flected and Willie Best. I sick to my point, it's degrading as Amos n Andy was.You just feel that way because obvious your a big fan of that show. I didn't find webster , gimme a break or benson offensive at all.
you are entitled to your opinion, however, if your intention was only to come here and start something, then, it's best to leave it alone. There are alot of characters on t.v. that alot of us can't stand, but we don't go on those threads just to say something negative abt them. The kind of argument you are making is best said on the tvland forum.

I have the right to my own opioin. I like to go on the chat rooms and debat about diffrent topics manliy sitcoms to see how other peoples views are. Don't take it personal, if you don't like it than you don't have to respond!

I am not making an issue out of it, but it is against the rules i believe to go on a thread just to bash a show/character simply because you don't like it.

I am not making an issue out of it, but it is against the rules i believe to go on a thread just to bash a show/character simply because you don't like it.


There are a lot of people who go on different boards to bash certain character, I don't see how that's against the rules. If it were then a lot of people would have been banned by now.

But I do agree with you that people are entitled to there own opinions, and like you I'll stay out of this debate LOL

I know a lot of Black Groups had problems with the J.J and George Jefferson character. But I don't know why it was an issue because it wasn't like all the males on Good times were CRAZY like J.J. Now I can see if Michael had on a hat and walked around like a ******, and James walked around like a idiot with a hat on his head then I would say the show was making blacks look bad but since it was just IDIOT, it didn't bother me.

I have the right to my own opioin. I like to go on the chat rooms and debat about diffrent topics manliy sitcoms to see how other peoples views are. Don't take it personal, if you don't like it than you don't have to respond!



I don't mind the topic of your Thread as long as you are willing to discuss the show too.

you are entitled to your opinion, however, if your intention was only to come here and start something, then, it's best to leave it alone. There are alot of characters on t.v. that alot of us can't stand, but we don't go on those threads just to say something negative abt them. The kind of argument you are making is best said on the tvland forum.


I see you will always remember your TV LAND message Board experience-lol I think I will make a stop over there again today and see what's going on

you are entitled to your opinion, however, if your intention was only to come here and start something, then, it's best to leave it alone. There are alot of characters on t.v. that alot of us can't stand, but we don't go on those threads just to say something negative abt them. The kind of argument you are making is best said on the tvland forum.


Irene this poster is from the TV LAND board, he/she started the same topic on there-lol

I see you will always remember your TV LAND message Board experience-lol I think I will make a stop over there again today and see what's going on
Oh really??????poster from tvland boards... hmmmm, it smelled like something from tvland...LMAO!!!
Oh God Soloman, how could I forget.....:mad:
I don't mind people's opinions, just like you Soloman, but don't come and bash a character and/or show and not have an input on something else is all I was saying. I wouldn't go to the "ABC" forum and say "I hate John Smith because he was a stupid white man" and then that's it.

I'm glad some people are on my side. To add to a coment that someone said earlier Jimmy Walker (J.J.) compard to Art Carney (Ed Norton), no comparson please.

I'm glad some people are on my side. To add to a coment that someone said earlier Jimmy Walker (J.J.) compard to Art Carney (Ed Norton), no comparson please.



Hey how are you SHARP79?-lol

I AM NO SHARP !!!!!!!!

I AM NO SHARP !!!!!!!!


That's your screen name on the TV LAND Message Boards

YOU BETTER STOP HARASING ME! IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHAT MESSAGE BOARD THAT I BELONG TOO! THATS MY PROGATIVE! THAT AGINST THE RULES TO HARASE PEOPLE!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU BETTER STOP HARASING ME! IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHAT MESSAGE BOARD THAT I BELONG TOO! THATS MY PROGATIVE! THAT AGINST THE RULES TO HARASE PEOPLE!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I wasn't making a big deal about it just found it funny you had the same exact topic on TV land. That's only reason I knew it was you-lol

YOU BETTER STOP HARASING ME! IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHAT MESSAGE BOARD THAT I BELONG TOO! THATS MY PROGATIVE! THAT AGINST THE RULES TO HARASE PEOPLE!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:eek: :crazy:

:eek: :crazy:


lol

:lol:

YOU BETTER STOP HARASING ME! IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS WHAT MESSAGE BOARD THAT I BELONG TOO! THATS MY PROGATIVE! THAT AGINST THE RULES TO HARASE PEOPLE!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Gettin' a little defensive, aren't we? :dizzy:

Oh really??????poster from tvland boards... hmmmm, it smelled like something from tvland...LMAO!!!
Oh God Soloman, how could I forget.....:mad:
I don't mind people's opinions, just like you Soloman, but don't come and bash a character and/or show and not have an input on something else is all I was saying. I wouldn't go to the "ABC" forum and say "I hate John Smith because he was a stupid white man" and then that's it.


Aren't you the one who has a post on The Cosby Show board with the heading I HATE CLAIR HUXTABLE. Isn't that bashing a character? And it's petty bashing at that.

No I AM NOT! I had a crush on her when I was younger.

Aren't you the one who has a post on The Cosby Show board with the heading I HATE CLAIR HUXTABLE. Isn't that bashing a character? And it's petty bashing at that.
Um, seeing that you are a newbie, I will be careful in saying, that if you were here longer, you will see that I have great many things to say abt the Cosby show, however, for one to come on a sitcom forum just to bash a character and not have any other good input on the show is what I was referring to. reread my post that you "quoted" ...it says, don't come here and bash a character and nothing else to say etc etc etc. Now, that i have clarified that for you, you can tell what I made a thread abt and how I love the Cosby show in general, is way different then what is being made a thread abt here. Got it. thank you.:rolleyes:

Um, seeing that you are a newbie, I will be careful in saying, that if you were here longer, you will see that I have great many things to say abt the Cosby show, however, for one to come on a sitcom forum just to bash a character and not have any other good input on the show is what I was referring to. reread my post that you "quoted" ...it says, don't come here and bash a character and nothing else to say etc etc etc. Now, that i have clarified that for you, you can tell what I made a thread abt and how I love the Cosby show in general, is way different then what is being made a thread abt here. Got it. thank you.:rolleyes:

What does me being new to this board has anything to do with this post? Was that a threat? And didn't you say that people are entitled to their opinions? And the point that I'm making is that, You bashed a character on another board but your jumping on this person for bashing a character on this board. Also it doesn't matter if he's not a fan of the show, or if his post is one-sided. Even if he didn't have anything else to say about the character in his post. He is entitled to post whatever he feels like post about any character he wishes.

So it's very hypocritical of you to say that a person can't post something about a character when you did the same thing on the Cosby show board.

What does me being new to this board has anything to do with this post? Was that a threat? And didn't you say that people are entitled to their opinions? And the point that I'm making is that, You bashed a character on another board but your jumping on this person for bashing a character on this board. Also it doesn't matter if he's not a fan of the show, or if his post is one-sided. Even if he didn't have anything else to say about the character in his post. He is entitled to post whatever he feels like post about any character he wishes.

So it's very hypocritical of you to say that a person can't post something about a character when you did the same thing on the Cosby show board.


Irene's post on the Cosby Show board wasn;t controversial. She just stated that she hated Clair Huxtable but still loved the show. The post by woolworth27/sharp79 was controversial since he started a discussion about race instead of episode discussion.

Go head wit all dat! Fall Back!!!

Irene's post on the Cosby Show board wasn;t controversial. She just stated that she hated Clair Huxtable but still loved the show. The post by woolworth27/sharp79 was controversial since he started a discussion about race instead of episode discussion.
thanx Soloman...Woolworth/sharp...i'm still laughing at that!!!!!!:lol:

What does me being new to this board has anything to do with this post? Was that a threat? And didn't you say that people are entitled to their opinions? And the point that I'm making is that, You bashed a character on another board but your jumping on this person for bashing a character on this board. Also it doesn't matter if he's not a fan of the show, or if his post is one-sided. Even if he didn't have anything else to say about the character in his post. He is entitled to post whatever he feels like post about any character he wishes.

So it's very hypocritical of you to say that a person can't post something about a character when you did the same thing on the Cosby show board.
Did you read the rules? Read rule #8...

What does me being new to this board has anything to do with this post? Was that a threat? And didn't you say that people are entitled to their opinions? And the point that I'm making is that, You bashed a character on another board but your jumping on this person for bashing a character on this board. Also it doesn't matter if he's not a fan of the show, or if his post is one-sided. Even if he didn't have anything else to say about the character in his post. He is entitled to post whatever he feels like post about any character he wishes.

So it's very hypocritical of you to say that a person can't post something about a character when you did the same thing on the Cosby show board.

I can see what Angelbluez is trying to say. I had some posts on the Cosby board under that specific topic, and when the post turned to bashing Phylicia I removed my post from the topic because I didn't want to be apart of bashing someone I haven't met.

But like others have said people are entitled to their opinions. You may not agree with them but that's what makes this a forum. And no one should tell you what you can or what you can't post. Unless it goes to far.

the thread Brie is towards the character...it did turn on Phylicia, but the thread is abt the character. It has remained so to this day. One can love a show, but hate a character (which is not real mind you). I would accept a person's opinion on a character, but when that person goes from forum to forum just spewing hate, negativity, only to incite argument, then, that's where the line needs to be drawn.

I have a feeling that person from the tvland boards may have been banned or something...but it sure is the telltale signs of someone who just jumps around trying to be mean, rather than have a legitimate gripe. I have just seen their work on some of the other forums and it's not nice. Just like the racist, negative stuff I have seen on the tvland boards.

the thread Brie is towards the character...it did turn on Phylicia, but the thread is abt the character. It has remained so to this day. One can love a show, but hate a character (which is not real mind you). I would accept a person's opinion on a character, but when that person goes from forum to forum just spewing hate, negativity, only to incite argument, then, that's where the line needs to be drawn.

I have a feeling that person from the tvland boards may have been banned or something...but it sure is the telltale signs of someone who just jumps around trying to be mean, rather than have a legitimate gripe. I have just seen their work on some of the other forums and it's not nice. Just like the racist, negative stuff I have seen on the tvland boards.


I haven't read any other post from Woolworth, I could really careless LOL. But this topic that he started wasn't racist a lot of people have felt the way that he feels. I've heard it from some black celebrites about the JJ character. So I can respect his opinion, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with it. When a post becomes nasty and hateful then I'll have problem with it

I haven't read any other post from Woolworth, I could really careless LOL. But this topic that he started wasn't racist a lot of people have felt the way that he feels. I've heard it from some black celebrites about the JJ character. So I can respect his opinion, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with it. When a post becomes nasty and hateful then I'll have problem with it


I had a problem with Woolworth post because he didn't state WHY he felt the way he did. Just-"J.J was demeaning to Blacks" and that's it. I need more than that

I had a problem with Woolworth post because he didn't state WHY he felt the way he did. Just-"J.J was demeaning to Blacks" and that's it. I need more than that
Exactly. I didn't go make a thread abt Claire and just say "I hate Clair"...I backed it up with what I didn't like abt the character. And it seems alot of people feel the same way abt her. I love the show, I hate the character.

Exactly. I didn't go make a thread abt Claire and just say "I hate Clair"...I backed it up with what I didn't like abt the character. And it seems alot of people feel the same way abt her. I love the show, I hate the character.


Exactly, which is why it was stupid to compare your thread on the Cosby Show Board to this Thread.

Exactly, which is why it was stupid to compare your thread on the Cosby Show Board to this Thread.
Thanx! that's exactly right.

oh, never mind.

oh, never mind.
:lol: okay

:lol: okay

By the way, no one responded to this Topic on the TV Land Boards-LOL

By the way, no one responded to this Topic on the TV Land Boards-LOL
no one responded to his post here either...we went off on another topic...LOL