For me this one is all too easy to answer. Dick Bocklidge. Medical school is among one of the most academically challanging and demanding fields of study out there, and he (according to the UM episode) appeared to think it'd be a simple walk in the park, nothing but fun and games. And when he was dropped from his course after flunking, he wines and wines and goes about telling other people that they treated him unfair by flunking him, ignorant enough to think that his own failure was someone else's doing. After wining yet again when his appeal to be readmitted to the course was denied, he takes his anger out on Tanya Kopric, killing her and then writing an absurd letter that portrays her as some diabloical individual who deserved such a fate as to be murdered.

So if he had no brains, how did he manage to stay ahead of the law for so long(I don't recall an update so we can assume he's still on the lam)? The same way that John Walsh, in his Public Enemies book, said Ira Einhorn was able to elude capture for so long. Pure undeserved good luck.

So there is my #1 moron who UM profiled, with Adam and Elena Emory running as a close #2. Give me your lists.

For me this one is all too easy to answer. Dick Bocklidge. Medical school is among one of the most academically challanging and demanding fields of study out there, and he (according to the UM episode) appeared to think it'd be a simple walk in the park, nothing but fun and games. And when he was dropped from his course after flunking, he wines and wines and goes about telling other people that they treated him unfair by flunking him, ignorant enough to think that his own failure was someone else's doing. After wining yet again when his appeal to be readmitted to the course was denied, he takes his anger out on Tanya Kopric, killing her and then writing an absurd letter that portrays her as some diabloical individual who deserved such a fate as to be murdered.

So if he had no brains, how did he manage to stay ahead of the law for so long(I don't recall an update so we can assume he's still on the lam)? The same way that John Walsh, in his Public Enemies book, said Ira Einhorn was able to elude capture for so long. Pure undeserved good luck.

So there is my #1 moron who UM profiled, with Adam and Elena Emory running as a close #2. Give me your lists.

Tommy Gibson's father (I can't recall his name right now) is my #1 idiot. I was happy that UM (or Lifetime) put the update in right after they have the idiot saying he did nothing to his son....UPDATE....Mr. Gibson was arrested for the death of his son and convicted of manslaughter. The slime is out already......still claiming he did nothing. His daughter and wife both turned on him. Loser.

Idiot #2 is Steven Marfeo who is accused of killing his wife. They interviewed him too and he of course claimed he was totally innocent....then the update says he killed his girlfriend and himself in 1999. Pathetic.

There is also another case that i can't recall too much but i remember it was a husband being accused of killing his missing wife and he said something to the fact that "I didn't do it and no one in my family did it that they told me about.". HUH??

#1 idiot (or at least the STUPIDEST name ever): WADADA

The guy who said, "And I'm Michael Jordan. I play basketball for the Chicago Bulls."

#1 idiot (or at least the STUPIDEST name ever): WADADA
is that the guy who is Jamaican and has dreadlocks?

The idiots the rest of you have posted are some humdingers and I agree. One of the worst I have seen on UM (I don't remember the exact details so please excuse me) has to do with a mother who kidnapped her son when she and her husband divorced. She was the lady who spoke French and had French citizenship; she also appeared in the interesting soccer team picture with her son. The update, which I have only seen once, stated that her son died of leukemia before he and his father could be reunited. I was shaking my head as I read the screen. While the mother didn't cause her son's death, it was awful that she took him away to never be with his father again. She's my pick for one of the biggest UM idiots.

(Greetings everyone, I haven't been around here in a looooooong time....)

I actually think Bocklidge is a pretty smart guy. Deserves to rot for what he did but you will find some of the smartest people in the world - musicians, authors, artists didn't do that well in school. Case in point - John Lennon school report said something to the fact that "he's never going to amount to much..."

Beyond that Bocklidge in my opinion is a frustrated, mentally disturbed man but that doesn't mean he isn't going to be captured anytime soon. There are sadly just so many places one can hide in this world. Once you get out of the country where you are wanted your chances of not being captured rise 100% - Brad Bishop is another one who will likely never be brought to justice, Donald Eugene Webb and the man who killed his wife on his son's birthday and then escaped to Ireland. I don't think he's even been apprehended either.

My theory on Bocklidge is he is out of the country, on the lam perhaps being supported by someone or maybe has even started a new life for himself. I don't think they will ever locate him.

I actually think Bocklidge is a pretty smart guy. Deserves to rot for what he did but you will find some of the smartest people in the world - musicians, authors, artists didn't do that well in school. Case in point - John Lennon school report said something to the fact that "he's never going to amount to much..."

Beyond that Bocklidge in my opinion is a frustrated, mentally disturbed man but that doesn't mean he isn't going to be captured anytime soon. There are sadly just so many places one can hide in this world. Once you get out of the country where you are wanted your chances of not being captured rise 100% - Brad Bishop is another one who will likely never be brought to justice, Donald Eugene Webb and the man who killed his wife on his son's birthday and then escaped to Ireland. I don't think he's even been apprehended either.

My theory on Bocklidge is he is out of the country, on the lam perhaps being supported by someone or maybe has even started a new life for himself. I don't think they will ever locate him.


DarkDante,

Well you have apoint about intillectuals not being looked upon favorable in school. Einstein had that happen to him as we all know, but getting back the point about Bocklidge, he just didn't seem to be the type who could take take the blame for his own faults. According to the segment he appeared to blame the school for his academic failure. One of the people interviewed in the segment mentioned something about how Bocklidge just didn't get the concept about how rigorous the pharmaceutical studies were, that he did not take the studies serious enough and had no idea that this was the only reason for his failure. He might have done better if he had either tried harder or just found a different field of study.

I do agree that those who skip the States are less likely to get caught. Although Ira Einhorn and James Sillivan, among others, have been apprehended abroad, many have not. I agree that Bishop and Web are highly unlikely to join the list that Einhorn and Sillivan are a part of. I am not familair with the man who killed his wife and on son's b-day. For all we know people like Bocklidge, Bishop, and Webb have been deceased for quite some time now.

Who was the guy on the Unsolved Mysteries episode who dropped his wife off the side of the road and she disappeared? When interviewed on UM he said ever since she's been gone things have been looking pretty good.

The woman who poisoned her husband Gilbert with ant killer in his "protein shake" ... yeah, that wouldn't be tough to spot when he fell sick and someone happened to find what he had been drinking out of. Also, for this conversation she had:

"A man outside tried to get Jonathan!"

"Who? What man?"

"I don't know, some man said he was going to hurt Jonathan! He was wearing a mask or something!"

That still cracks me up to this day, thinking about what a horrible liar the person was. Or at least they were in the re-enactment.

is that the guy who is Jamaican and has dreadlocks?

yep and he cheaped off those art school beatnik chicks

For all we know people like Bocklidge, Bishop, and Webb have been deceased for quite some time now.

That should be rephrased as "for all we think". Maybe those people are deceased, but the mere fact that they have been on the run for as long as they have doesn't prove it. (In fact, I remember from an edition of the Guinness Book of World Records that the longest anyone was on the run before finally being caught was 46 years!) Until those guys can be found (alive or otherwise), the theory of them being dead will be impossible to prove.

^ Case in point - Leo J. Koury - Was on the 10 most wanted list since the late 1970s, basically looked like a gangly, bumbling buffoon and was able to elude authorities until 1991 I believe when he was found dead - registered in a hospital under an alias - William Franklin Biddle.

Another good example would be John Burns who murdered his mistress in 1970. He would have been in hiding forever if UM didn't flush him out. As it was by the time he was captured Burns was so old and in poor health that he didn't even make it to trial.

^ Case in point - Leo J. Koury - Was on the 10 most wanted list since the late 1970s, basically looked like a gangly, bumbling buffoon and was able to elude authorities until 1991 I believe when he was found dead - registered in a hospital under an alias - William Franklin Biddle.

Another good example would be John Burns who murdered his mistress in 1970. He would have been in hiding forever if UM didn't flush him out. As it was by the time he was captured Burns was so old and in poor health that he didn't even make it to trial.

Don't forget Kathy Power. She was wanted for her involvement in a bank robbery that resulted in the murder of Walter Schroeder (a Boston police officer). She was on the lam for 23 years, until she finally surrendered in 1993. She was sentenced to a term of 8 to 12 years in prison, and has since been paroled.

I actually think Bocklidge is a pretty smart guy. Deserves to rot for what he did but you will find some of the smartest people in the world - musicians, authors, artists didn't do that well in school. Case in point - John Lennon school report said something to the fact that "he's never going to amount to much..."


Miles Davis as well.

Who was the guy on the Unsolved Mysteries episode who dropped his wife off the side of the road and she disappeared? When interviewed on UM he said ever since she's been gone things have been looking pretty good.

Oh yeah, I remember that guy. I think he dropped her off at a railroad station not far from where they lived. I said to myself, "I know he didn't just say that". Though he did. He struck me as odd to be honest with you.

Actually, I think all of them are idiots. But according to the thread title, here are my picks.

Idiot No. 1: That guy named Daniel who raped his much younger girlfriend after she decided to end their relationship.

Idiot No. 2: The hitchhiker who was given a ride by Charles Holden and then suddenly started acting crazy, supposedly as a result of having been high on crack/cocaine.

Idiot No. 3: My ultimate favorite (NOT!) Edward Harold Bell. This guy is a pervert and a cold-hearted murderer. He was very arrogant the way he was smacking his gum while walking with the authorites.

Plenty of "idiots" profiled on Unsolved Mysteries over the years. Good list so far.

I would have to add the unknown trucker who ran over the motorcyclest (causing him to lose his leg when he jumped from the grill) to the list. There was no reason what-so-ever for the trucker to do that. He knew exactly what he was doing and I can't for the life of me figure out why somebody would do such a thing. :mad: Was he so bored that he thought... "Hmm, it's a slow night. Maybe I'll run this guy over."

So sad that there are people like this in the world. To my knowledge, the trucker has never been caught and sadly, I doubt he ever will be caught.

Plenty of "idiots" profiled on Unsolved Mysteries over the years. Good list so far.

I would have to add the unknown trucker who ran over the motorcyclest (causing him to lose his leg when he jumped from the grill) to the list. There was no reason what-so-ever for the trucker to do that. He knew exactly what he was doing and I can't for the life of me figure out why somebody would do such a thing. :mad: Was he so bored that he thought... "Hmm, it's a slow night. Maybe I'll run this guy over."

So sad that there are people like this in the world. To my knowledge, the trucker has never been caught and sadly, I doubt he ever will be caught.

To me, the most chilling aspect of that case was that the guy who hit the biker pulled over and calmly pulled the victim's motorcycle from the grill of his truck before pulling back on the road and driving away.:eek: That always chilled me to the bone. It's scary how sick some people are.

Speaking of "sick," for me, the biggest idiot profiled on UM was the "Angel of Death," whose name I have forgotten. UM shows his segment quite often. He was the doctor who diabolically killed several of his patients before being asked to leave the hospital. He later resurfaced as a paramedic who poisoned his co-workers with "extra spicy" chicken and doughnuts. What an ass.:mad:

Speaking of "sick," for me, the biggest idiot profiled on UM was the "Angel of Death," whose name I have forgotten. UM shows his segment quite often. He was the doctor who diabolically killed several of his patients before being asked to leave the hospital. He later resurfaced as a paramedic who poisoned his co-workers with "extra spicy" chicken and doughnuts. What an ass.:mad:

Michael Swango. There's a book about him, Blind Eye by James Stewart.

Well you have compiled interesting lists, but I have a real stupid individual for you, who I am surprised as to him not having been mentioned already. Gerald Gurvasoni. This guy should get a Darwin award. How did they connect him to the murder, and how did they find evidence that a murder even occoured? And the motivation for the murder? Don't get me started on any of these.

And to prove my point about his lack of brains, he has been captured in spite of his seven years on the lam(if you don't recall, the crime took place in 1986 and he was captured in Canada due to the 1993 broadcast, at least I recall that he was captured shortly after the story aired. Correct me if I am wrong).

Now I can't even decide if Gurvasoni should take the place of Bocklidge as my #1 idiot on UM.

Well you have compiled interesting lists, but I have a real stupid individual for you, who I am surprised as to him not having been mentioned already. Gerald Gurvasoni. This guy should get a Darwin award. How did they connect him to the murder, and how did they find evidence that a murder even occoured? And the motivation for the murder? Don't get me started on any of these.

And to prove my point about his lack of brains, he has been captured in spite of his seven years on the lam(if you don't recall, the crime took place in 1986 and he was captured in Canada due to the 1993 broadcast, at least I recall that he was captured shortly after the story aired. Correct me if I am wrong).

I recall that segment. I have also found an old article on him, which is dated December 22, 2000. That year, his life sentence was reduced to 17 years!

Here's the link:

http://aroundosceola.com/index.php?option=sports&task=viewarticle&sid=812

probably tony ballesteros

2010-01-15: I'm leaving this up here, but I want to apologize again for calling Mr. Page an idiot. The psychiatric authorities are the ones who treated him like one, and shouldn't have. They have altogether too much power in this country. Mr. Page is not the first parent to get talked into something like that. I wish him well and pray for Gordon and his family. 2015-11-06 Also I have updated the links.

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This is going to sound cruel, but one of the biggest idiots I ever saw on Unsolved was Gordon Page's father.

Gordon Page was the young autistic man who had been given antipsychotic medication as a requirement for being placed in a so-called group home. Antipsychotic medications are toxic, dangerous things even when taken in small doses. They sometimes help people with real mental illnesses, but autism is not a psychiatric illness, just impaired everyday functioning due to brainwiring differences. This was known at the time; Dr. Bernard Rimland's landmark study on the brain hardwiring differences that cause autism had been published decades before.

Any "group home" that requires its residents to be drugged up on neuroleptics is doing it for only one reason. Instead of working individually with the developmentally disabled to learn life skills and practical knowledge, they're keeping them in a state of zombie docility while schlooping $$$ out of the pockets of the families. The parents were both idiots to agree to this requirement, and not to immediately begin weaning Gordon off the meds when they saw that Gordon was in terrible confusion and pain. "It feels like cats scratching inside my brain" -- and the "experts" told the parents that that meant Gordon needed the stuff, and they believed it.

Now severely brain damaged from the meds, Gordon was taken to a different group home. The rule here was that the family could not visit for two months. I won't go into detail about the reasons such places have for allowing no visitors. After two months, Gordon knew the reasons. and at his dad's first visit he begged Mr. Page not to leave him. Mr. Page reports that he strongly felt he should put Gordon in the car and take him home. He did not. He listened to the "experts" -- "it's for his own good" -- and abandoned his child.

Learn more about autism here:
http://www.autisticadvocacy.org

The Autism Acceptance Project (http://www.taaproject.com/)

How About Not Curing Us? Some Autistics Are Pleading (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/20/health/how-about-not-curing-us-some-autistics-are-pleading.html?_r=0)

Yeah, but in Gordon Page's defense, he didn't know. And in the segment, he stated that he regretted that decision he made every day of his life.

Yeah, but in Gordon Page's defense, he didn't know. And in the segment, he stated that he regretted that decision he made every day of his life.
That is very true. I tend to think of "he didn't know" as less of a good excuse, because it's his kid, he should have made himself better informed. The information was out there at the time. It's true they didn't have internet yet although there were plenty of high-traffic computer bulletin boards with information on many subjects. Still, this was right before the era of personal comps. in everyone's home, and people tended to rely a lot more on so-called "Experts". He would have had to do a bit more digging. The internet has been a great tool for empowerment, for informed medical and psych clients, informed juries, just informing the public in general.

But as far as regretting it, yes, he knows now that he made the wrong decision -- he is not defending his choices in any way, and that shows he is a person of character that can admit when he is wrong. I really hope they find Gordon Jr.

Yeah, but in Gordon Page's defense, he didn't know. And in the segment, he stated that he regretted that decision he made every day of his life.

In all fairness, Gordon Page Sr. shouldn't be considered the "biggest idiot". He's not idiotic by any means. Indeed, he didn't know. In fact, he couldn't have known that his unfortunate decision would lead to Gordon Jr. disappearing. Sometimes you don't think of certain things until it is too late. I'm not saying that to excuse his mistake, and I don't think he really intended to make an excuse for his decision. I just don't think it's fair to consider him an idiot.

Oh, I've got some idiots for you....
Crystal Spencer's neighbors who heard her blood-curdling screams in the middle of the night - obviously the sound of Crystal being tortured and murdered - yet didn't call the police because they didn't want to "get involved." Dumbasses. I don't usually like to wish ill will on anyone, but I really hope that follows them to their graves.

the biggest idiots may have been the couple who followed a suspicious van and took pictures of it. i cant remember too much, but they went back to the scene of a suspicious van they saw and snooped around.

Read this link and see if you think Melody's dad needs to be on the list:


http://sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2473808&postcount=7

Here is one idiot on UM who we can be thankful for being an idiot. Arturo Lopez' father, Arturo Sr. After Jr. got picked for driving w/o a liscence(a petty misdemeanor compared to what he was on UM for doing), Arturo Sr. gets angry at the cops who busted his son. Well his son broke the law and got busted, so has has no reason to be angry at the cops, but he goes over to the station anyway and, right there in the police house, makes death threats to any officers who busted his son. Well, that act of intelligence led to Sr.'s arrsest, and it was that arrest that began the downfall of the Lopez family. Unlike all the others we have mentioned so far, this guy's stupidity is something to be thankful for, for it is what led to his arrest, and subsequent arrests of others involved in the organization.

This isn't a UM segment but I'm sure some posters here who follow true crime will recognize it. It definitely qualifies as idiotic.

A middleaged woman killed her husband via slowly poisoning him. She completely got away with it, but the cause of death was incorrectly diagnosed. Consequently, her insurance payoff was not what it would have been.

If I remember correctly, the woman was so miffed and frustrated at not collecting the higher sum, she planted some poison in a bottle of capsules at a drug store, and a woman died after taking it. At that point the woman came forward and speculated her husband might have also died by consuming poisoned capsules.

The authorities found tiny granules of something used in fish tanks in the tainted capsules, and traced it back to the woman. She had neglected to clean her mixing bowl before grinding the poison, and the fish granules made it into the poisoned capsules. So she was an idiot on two fronts. Convicted of murder.

Regarding the above post. That story was never profiled on UM, but www.Crimelibrary.com has a good write up on that story. It is compiled along with the Tylenol Tampering unsolved case in the early 80's. The woman was using the panic that the Tylenol case had caused to poison her husband and collect insurance. The "green residue" that was found inside the unused capsules of (in this case "Excedrin") turned out to be aquarium & pond algae remover. caught none the less. A good story if you have some time.
:cool:

Oh, I've got some idiots for you....
Crystal Spencer's neighbors who heard her blood-curdling screams in the middle of the night - obviously the sound of Crystal being tortured and murdered - yet didn't call the police because they didn't want to "get involved." Dumbasses. I don't usually like to wish ill will on anyone, but I really hope that follows them to their graves.

Heh ... I remember those two, complete with 80's new wave duds and "Flock of Seagulls" looking haircuts. They were probably coked up and didn't want the cops around at the time.

Regarding the above post. That story was never profiled on UM, but www.Crimelibrary.com has a good write up on that story. It is compiled along with the Tylenol Tampering unsolved case in the early 80's. The woman was using the panic that the Tylenol case had caused to poison her husband and collect insurance. The "green residue" that was found inside the unused capsules of (in this case "Excedrin") turned out to be aquarium & pond algae remover. caught none the less. A good story if you have some time.
:cool:

I think I saw this on Law and Order CI once too...?

Originally Posted by RightOnDude
The woman who poisoned her husband Gilbert with ant killer in his "protein shake" ... yeah, that wouldn't be tough to spot when he fell sick and someone happened to find what he had been drinking out of. Also, for this conversation she had:

"A man outside tried to get Jonathan!"

"Who? What man?"

"I don't know, some man said he was going to hurt Jonathan! He was wearing a mask or something!"

That still cracks me up to this day, thinking about what a horrible liar the person was. Or at least they were in the re-enactment.
Yes, I agree! I hate that story and that actress was really bad, too. :lol:

Plenty of "idiots" profiled on Unsolved Mysteries over the years. Good list so far.

I would have to add the unknown trucker who ran over the motorcyclest (causing him to lose his leg when he jumped from the grill) to the list. There was no reason what-so-ever for the trucker to do that. He knew exactly what he was doing and I can't for the life of me figure out why somebody would do such a thing. :mad: Was he so bored that he thought... "Hmm, it's a slow night. Maybe I'll run this guy over."

So sad that there are people like this in the world. To my knowledge, the trucker has never been caught and sadly, I doubt he ever will be caught.


I felt so sorry for this guy. I doubt this guy will ever be caught. I believe the guy also lost a finger or some as well.

"Idiot" for me would refer to someone more of a harmless variety. My candidates are:

1. The woman who could "create" gold leaf on demand and would get real weepy before doing so.
2. The gal who was married to the heavy set guy and they both lived with their parents. She would suddenly become posessed by a demon or something and somehow summoned up poltergeists/strange hauntings. I remember a silly scene where she and hubby were fooling around and then she becomes crazy-woman. She seemed sort of vacant during the interviews.
3. Jewel, the man who assured us the viewers that he was content even though his wife had been missing for a while. I'm glad he is able to patch it all back together (sarcasm).
4. All of the couples featured in the fertility statue segment.

I thought the guy on the skunkape article, the guy that took the pics of the creature walking around that Florida swamp, while he was atop a very high up chair. I mean this after the story was done. The guy appears ok as a person on the UM story, but I saw him afterwards on another tv show about the skunkape again, and he appeared completely nutty. He even has a tourist store business for the skunkape. I mean I respect him as a person that witnessed this creature, his enthusiasm, but when he appears to be a completely different person on this other show, then I have to wonder about him. I mean its nutty that he'd even sit up on that seat to be seen by the skunkape? I mean I'd be a little scared to even try that. Just my thoughts.

The people on the Canadian UFO segment. I mean how did they get all fooled? This was said later to be fake, right?

The lady and the gold flakes from the skin story. That was pretty ridiculous. Wasn't this proven to be fake?

In all fairness, Gordon Page Sr. shouldn't be considered the "biggest idiot". He's not idiotic by any means. Indeed, he didn't know. In fact, he couldn't have known that his unfortunate decision would lead to Gordon Jr. disappearing. Sometimes you don't think of certain things until it is too late. I'm not saying that to excuse his mistake, and I don't think he really intended to make an excuse for his decision. I just don't think it's fair to consider him an idiot.
You're right, I shouldn't have called him an idiot. A lot of the information was out there, but not as much as we have now and it wasn't as easily accessible as it is today with the net and all. I have to keep reminding myself that was almost fifteen years ago.

No, he wouldn't necessarily have thought of the idea that it might lead to Gordon Jr.'s running away. The much more likely scenario was of Gordon Jr.'s dying.

People die every day in "group homes" of this type. The key is the fact that the group home in question required residents to be on neuroleptic medication. As I've said elsewhere on this board, autism was known at the time to not be a mental illness so there was no reason for him to be on any medication. But it is still common practice in most institutions (even ones where they don't use five-point restraints or other brutalities, where they try to be "kind and caring", teach lifeskills etc.) to give drugs.

Neuroleptics even in small doses can kill autistics because our biochemistry is a bit different -- enzymes or something. Even non-psychiatric uses of neuroleptics like Phenergan for nausea can cause problems for autistics. http://ballastexistenz.blogspot.com/2006/01/low-dose-low-potency-neuroleptics.html

Mr. Page has probably read up on all of this now that it's on the internet. He is probably thanking God that Gordon Jr. got away. I am sorry I called him an idiot, because I know what happens with parents. I just hope they find Gordon Jr.

#1 idiot (or at least the STUPIDEST name ever): WADADA i remember wodada

i dont remember all the details of the case but there was this one case where a woman was rinning from an abusive husband or boyfriend and had managed to somehow get away from him but then instead of driving and driving until she was sure that he was gone she decided to pull over at i mini market for a soft drink and he caught up with her there

What about the case where the people of Carribean descent are tricked into drinking a potion. Robert Stack says, "The potion...turned out to be.......cyanide."

What about the case where the people of Carribean descent are tricked into drinking a potion? Robert Stack says, "The potion...turned out to be.......cyanide."

The guy who said, "And I'm Michael Jordan. I play basketball for the Chicago Bulls."
That guy is nuts! I can't take him seriously at all. What a twaat....as they say in England.

The poor rapper who has trouble saying anything without saying "you know what I'm saying." I feel sorry for his plight and that girl's terrible death.....but please......

The poor rapper who has trouble saying anything without saying "you know what I'm saying." I feel sorry for his plight and that girl's terrible death.....but please......

Are you talking about the rapper whose wife was killed and his baby was kidnapped by the two female gangmembers? Does anyone remember all the details of that case? I think the rapper's name was Young Lay or something like that.

Baby was named LeZahn, Daphne was the girlfriend who had the baby....it appeared some girls killed Daphne while her grammy went to bingo and then took off with the baby.

Didn't they set the house on fire too?

Oh yeah, there was that case regarding a casino employee who constantly harrassed his boss, I think she was the supervisor. He was a real jerk and he seemed to have had it in for her for whatever reason. He was actually named a suspect in her shooting death. She was pregnant at the time of her death and the baby died as well.

I don't remember his name but maybe Kane or someone else can refresh some of my memory regarding the case. :confused:

Didn't they set the house on fire too?

Yes and it was a cover up.

And that guy Young Lay made an album entitled Unsolved Mysteries. That case makes me wonder if the rapper set up the murder himself. I'm not pointing fingers, I'm just wondering if the police eliminated him as a suspect.

i dont remember all the details of the case but there was this one case where a woman was rinning from an abusive husband or boyfriend and had managed to somehow get away from him but then instead of driving and driving until she was sure that he was gone she decided to pull over at i mini market for a soft drink and he caught up with her there
I haven't heard of this case, but I have to agree with you on that.

"Idiot" for me would refer to someone more of a harmless variety. My candidates are:

2. The gal who was married to the heavy set guy and they both lived with their parents. She would suddenly become posessed by a demon or something and somehow summoned up poltergeists/strange hauntings. I remember a silly scene where she and hubby were fooling around and then she becomes crazy-woman. She seemed sort of vacant during the interviews.

This is on the Ghost Stories DVD. What has always struck me about that case is that the girl was only 16 when she married her hubby and this was in the early 1990s.

The people on the Canadian UFO segment. I mean how did they get all fooled? This was said later to be fake, right?

Within the UFO community, this is generally considered to be a hoax and it has been considered to be a hoax since at least the mid 1990s. I was very disappointed in the commentary on the UFOs DVD about this case as the people doing the commentary didn't appear to be aware that they had been had by that Labenek woman and that this case is considered to be a hoax. A simple search on the internet would have provided them with that info before doing the commentary. Instead, they go on about how credible the woman was and this case is. In fact, I propose that the people doing that commentary should be called "idiots".

Yes, I posted a link a while back with a lot of info on this case- even the guy who was Oeschlers partner on the segment as time went on thought he was full of it, add him to the many other highly dubious individuals involved in Ufology like Bob Lazar & Ed (I have made a load off of my first book now let me do one where it turns out I have been abducted) Walters.

Those commentaries were awful on those discs, you would have thought they would have had air dates and other information but it seems they just went to the studio and were guessing what season most of the segments aired and who directed them, I doubt they even bothered doing any research on what had happened since.


Within the UFO community, this is generally considered to be a hoax and it has been considered to be a hoax since at least the mid 1990s. I was very disappointed in the commentary on the UFOs DVD about this case as the people doing the commentary didn't appear to be aware that they had been had by that Labenek woman and that this case is considered to be a hoax. A simple search on the internet would have provided them with that info before doing the commentary. Instead, they go on about how credible the woman was and this case is. In fact, I propose that the people doing that commentary should be called "idiots".

Wow, there is such a plethora of morons from which to choose. That said, I'm really surprised, almost shocked, to see that nobody has mentioned my #1 choice.

As soon as I read the title of this thread, only one character popped into mind: Ben Markowitz, Nick Markowitz's older brother who owed Jesse James Hollywood money for drugs. His UM interview makes Bob Bean look like a college professor.

I'm shocked that nobody has mentioned him yet...

Wow, there is such a plethora of morons from which to choose. That said, I'm really surprised, almost shocked, to see that nobody has mentioned my #1 choice.

As soon as I read the title of this thread, only one character popped into mind: Ben Markowitz, Nick Markowitz's older brother who owed Jesse James Hollywood money for drugs. His UM interview makes Bob Bean look like a college professor.

I'm shocked that nobody has mentioned him yet...

Hey...Bob Bean is awesome!:lol:

But I agree about Nick Markowitz. He didn't pull the trigger of course, but you can't help feeling that none of this would have happened if he wasn't involved in such shady stuff to begin with.

Oh, I've got some idiots for you....
Crystal Spencer's neighbors who heard her blood-curdling screams in the middle of the night - obviously the sound of Crystal being tortured and murdered - yet didn't call the police because they didn't want to "get involved." Dumbasses. I don't usually like to wish ill will on anyone, but I really hope that follows them to their graves.

Ben Markowitz

Franklin Delano Floyd. You cannot watch that segment and not help but dislike that guy. he is one reason I wish they would allow police officers to torture prisoners who hold key information in cases like this. It's really unfortunate that this clown can tell people it's nobody's business where the boy is and law enforcement can't do anything to make him talk.

Ben Markowitz

Franklin Delano Floyd. You cannot watch that segment and not help but dislike that guy. he is one reason I wish they would allow police officers to torture prisoners who hold key information in cases like this. It's really unfortunate that this clown can tell people it's nobody's business where the boy is and law enforcement can't do anything to make him talk.

Jack Bauer is never around when you need him. :lol:

Ben Markowitz

Franklin Delano Floyd. You cannot watch that segment and not help but dislike that guy. he is one reason I wish they would allow police officers to torture prisoners who hold key information in cases like this. It's really unfortunate that this clown can tell people it's nobody's business where the boy is and law enforcement can't do anything to make him talk.

I agree with that 100%. When they won't talk about where their victims are, they should be made to talk.

there are too many to recall. dennis depeu was pretty dumb.

I am going to second Crystal Spencer's neighbors.. They should have called for help, I do not understand those who ignore a woman screaming for help. Even if it is a false alarm, gyou* does not know that. You are not going to get in trouble with the police for calling them with a legitimate complaint or concern, especially one involving screaming for help. Call the cops and let them decide when they get there the severity of the situation.

Also, I do not consider Franklin Delano Floyd stupid, he got away with alot of things. I think he is quite smart he got away with murdering several people, dumb criminals will make mistakes that will lead to there capture. After all these years he was smart enough to keep the true identities of those he held captive a secret. We may never know who FDF really is, and we will never know the true identities of the children he had with him.

As a side, my maternal grandfather is a Floyd, though I hope I have no relation to FDF, if that is even his real name.

*gyou - is shorthand for saying general you, it is a way of getting your point across without calling anyone out, or someone thinking it is about them. Though I might need to clarify that.

TB24

For me it was the "Bicycle Bandit", the fat guy who used to rob banks and instead of using a getaway car he hauled his fat ass away on a bike!

Another one was a guy who killed his wife and sister and then hid out in the woods in a tent!

Who was the guy on the Unsolved Mysteries episode who dropped his wife off the side of the road and she disappeared? When interviewed on UM he said ever since she's been gone things have been looking pretty good.

The first guy you might be mentioning could be Chad Noe. Huge idiot, but then again his whole family was a buch of idiots/murderers.

The husband of Charlotte Polis.

Ben Markowitz No kidding. He may not have fired the gun but he was indirectly (or directly) responsible for his brother's death.

There was another guy who was in prison who was so smug: He was accused of trying to poison the DA or something and he so proud that the DAA had to replace the carpeting and all the toothpastes and lotions.....he was a smug loser. Too bad he didn't apply his intelligence to a better calling than a life of crime.

#1 idiot (or at least the STUPIDEST name ever): WADADA

I agree the name is stupid and that case also took place in my state.

I agree the name is stupid and that case also took place in my state.

Who was WADADA?

And the woman who was drugged and seduced (raped, really) by the guy in the "cult" - he was obsessed when she got her period so he would know when she would be ovulating - and then she had a son and he beat the kid and she did nothing. Calling her an idiot may be a bit harsh but if I had just met someone, a male especially, and he had me over for dinner with his wife and then proceeded to quiz me about my monthly cycle I would excuse myself and leave.

Who was WADADA?

French Carribean drifter who brutaly raped a woman named Sarah Beard. Forget what state it took place in.

BTW Wadada is an African name that it quite common, i forget what it means, there have been several people with the name. including a well know Jazz trumpeter of the name Wadada Leo Smith.

It's a miracle that her family waited and stayed with that name game long enough for her to reach the -Ws-.

If they had given up around the -O-s, I wonder if we would even known that it was Wadada who raped her? :(

My vote goes to the bad chief (who UM totally humiliated via reenactment ;D)
There are plenty of suspects I dislike, but are not necessarily stupid. Other runner ups I consider idiots:
Prosecutor in the Stallings case, whose arguments contradict the evidence.
The women who testified in the Diaz trial "Well, I'm not sure it's him, but I'm going to say it is" What the ?!
The guy who was wanted and checked into a hotel under his real name.

Brian Widboom (see following link)

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=246733

"There are moments in your life that make you and sets the course
of who your going to be. Sometimes they're little, subtle moments
Sometimes, they're big moments you never saw coming.
No one asks for their life to change, but it does. It's what you
do afterword that counts. That's when you find out who you really are

Definitely Richard Bocklage. Talk about a guy that simply cannot face the responsibility of being an adult.

Sal Guardado.

Jerry Strickland.

Sheriff Eddie Allmaras from the Kathy Bonderson case. Cut the pissing contest with the state patrol and just admit you're wrong.

Cheryl Holland.

Those two idiot supermarket clerks who decided to tackle Kevin Poulsen and detain him. How did they know he didn't have a weapon, or wasn't otherwise dangerous?

That moron arsonist in Redwood who taped his crime and spoke on the recording.


All-Time Champs: Those radio DJs out in L.A. who faked that call-in murder confession. Way to go, guys. :rolleyes: :mad:

Not to speak ill of the dead, but I kind of think Ron Argenti was an idiot for thinking he could help Maria Armstrong. She was diagnosed with schizophrenia - a change of scenery is NOT going to change that.

Judy Hyams friend - "Judy had a lot of medical knowledge. I find it hard to believe that she could have died from having an abortion." PLEASE. She was at the mercy of an uncredited physician. If you're knocked out on the table, it doesn't matter HOW much knowledge you have.

The woman who left her baby outside of the porta-potty.

For me this one is all too easy to answer. Dick Bocklidge. Medical school is among one of the most academically challanging and demanding fields of study out there, and he (according to the UM episode) appeared to think it'd be a simple walk in the park, nothing but fun and games. And when he was dropped from his course after flunking, he wines and wines and goes about telling other people that they treated him unfair by flunking him, ignorant enough to think that his own failure was someone else's doing. After wining yet again when his appeal to be readmitted to the course was denied, he takes his anger out on Tanya Kopric, killing her and then writing an absurd letter that portrays her as some diabloical individual who deserved such a fate as to be murdered.

So if he had no brains, how did he manage to stay ahead of the law for so long(I don't recall an update so we can assume he's still on the lam)? The same way that John Walsh, in his Public Enemies book, said Ira Einhorn was able to elude capture for so long. Pure undeserved good luck.

So there is my #1 moron who UM profiled, with Adam and Elena Emory running as a close #2. Give me your lists.

Here are some of the biggest idiots profiled on UM. They may be idiotic because of selfishness, ignorance, or just plain stupidity when carrying out crimes:

Richard Bockledge-you've said it.
Sal Guardado-******* and moron who deserves the death penalty
Dennis Smith-Glad he was caught. I also saw this case on Forensic Files. He thought he could get away with murder by burning the inside of his car and claiming Carolyn's husband was with her the night she disappeared.
Wade Mitchell Parker-Selfish bastard. Suprised he hasn't been caught.
Randall Utterback-What a jerk
Melvin Green-thick-headed fat ass who got what he deserved.

Don't forget Robert Weeks. He was joking and laughing when they were arresting him. The best was when they interviewed his business partner and was quoted as saying he saw the broadcast but didn't think anyone would watch it! DUH!"

That guy Chad who was involved with a family getting dropped off at a shopping Centre then they disappeared. :happyface

The first guy you might be mentioning could be Chad Noe. Huge idiot, but then again his whole family was a buch of idiots/murderers.

The husband of Charlotte Polis.

No kidding. He may not have fired the gun but he was indirectly (or directly) responsible for his brother's death.

There was another guy who was in prison who was so smug: He was accused of trying to poison the DA or something and he so proud that the DAA had to replace the carpeting and all the toothpastes and lotions.....he was a smug loser. Too bad he didn't apply his intelligence to a better calling than a life of crime.

Chad Noe yeah thats the guy!

Every member of the parole board in the James Donald King case. Even if you did have a "productive and exemplary life while on the run", you were still on the run. And still guilty of first-degree murder. And still serving a life sentence.

Sometimes I wonder if some political going-on wasn't in full effect in North Carolina to influence that particular move.

Every member of the parole board in the James Donald King case. Even if you did have a "productive and exemplary life while on the run", you were still on the run. And still guilty of first-degree murder. And still serving a life sentence.

Sometimes I wonder if some political going-on wasn't in full effect in North Carolina to influence that particular move.



I stand corrected, those people should have served time themselves for their stupid mistakes.

Another one: The people who moved David Harry Fisher to a minimum security Prison.

Antonio from the Rebecca Young murder case was quite an idiot waiting a whole week until he told the police of the murder he witnessed.

Antonio from the Rebecca Young murder case was quite an idiot waiting a whole week until he told the police of the murder he witnessed.

I actually commend him, it takes a lot of guts to snitch on some violent drug dealers who just saw hack someone to death.

Snitching next to smoking is a leading cause of death in major US cities. :lol:

How about Cheryl Holland's relatives? I know they wanted to believe that she had nothing to do with the murders, but come ON.

As brave as they were, I do think the couple that followed Depue went a little too far. He could have shot them. I know cell phones were a rarity then, but they probably should have called the police once they got into town and then had them search the schoolyard for the bloody blanket.

I used to think the witness in the sugar cane field was dumb for having a gun and not trying to defend the victim, but then again, being hidden while two VERY violent men are on a rampage would cause anyone to panic and be afraid. But he really shouldn't have waited a week though. But it was good he was brave enough to report it at all.

Vogel, the guy who sent drugs by mail and acted all suspicious.
"So what are you sending today?"
"Uhhh....what do you mean?"
"Well, what's in the box?"
"...what did I put on the form?"
"You wrote clothes?"
"Uhh...that's right...clothes..."
The employee would have been foolish NOT to report it! ;)

Judy Groezinger. A prime example of why dim people shouldn't rely on fabrication. She makes Mark Nichols look like a genius.

I had to bump this thread because I'm SHOCKED this guy hasn't been mentioned yet:

Elmo Florence, the hitman hired by John Mooney to murder T.K. Harty. This moron gives the police's job and solves the entire case for them by openly bragging about the murder to a bartender! And, as far as I can tell, the bartender was a friend of the victim! He also provides so many specific details about the crime that he completely disqualifies himself from ever being able to use the "I was drunk" or "I was just kidding" defenses!

And then it turns out he was only paid $125 to do the hit! You get exactly what you pay for, I guess...

Well, I want to add Leonard Rizzo, but apparently the police in charge of solving Monica's murder are even bigger idiots.

For me this one is all too easy to answer. Dick Bocklidge. Medical school is among one of the most academically challanging and demanding fields of study out there, and he (according to the UM episode) appeared to think it'd be a simple walk in the park, nothing but fun and games. And when he was dropped from his course after flunking, he wines and wines and goes about telling other people that they treated him unfair by flunking him, ignorant enough to think that his own failure was someone else's doing. After wining yet again when his appeal to be readmitted to the course was denied, he takes his anger out on Tanya Kopric, killing her and then writing an absurd letter that portrays her as some diabloical individual who deserved such a fate as to be murdered.

So if he had no brains, how did he manage to stay ahead of the law for so long(I don't recall an update so we can assume he's still on the lam)? The same way that John Walsh, in his Public Enemies book, said Ira Einhorn was able to elude capture for so long. Pure undeserved good luck.

So there is my #1 moron who UM profiled, with Adam and Elena Emory running as a close #2. Give me your lists.

I'd put Bocklidge in my top 5 idiots. I think the reason he has yet to be captured is because he wandered far out into a highly unvisited and remote area of the Canadian wilderness, and committed suicide to avoid capture. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who had the money or people skills needed to flee somewhere else and blend in a foreign country.

Elmo Florence, the hitman hired by John Mooney to murder T.K. Harty. This moron gives the police's job and solves the entire case for them by openly bragging about the murder to a bartender! And, as far as I can tell, the bartender was a friend of the victim! He also provides so many specific details about the crime that he completely disqualifies himself from ever being able to use the "I was drunk" or "I was just kidding" defenses!

And then it turns out he was only paid $125 to do the hit! You get exactly what you pay for, I guess...

Yep, a criminal mastermind he wasn't.

I always liked the stupid kidnapper who bungled his abduction of the executive (thankfully the victim wasn't hurt). Didn't he complain about losing his checklist or something like that?

I always liked the stupid kidnapper who bungled his abduction of the executive (thankfully the victim wasn't hurt). Didn't he complain about losing his checklist or something like that?

Yep, the guy actually had a "cheat sheet" to remind him what to do. It's suspected that the reason he left John Grundhoffer in the woods and never attempted to collect the ransom is because he lost the "cheat sheet" and had no idea what to do next.

However, the guy's never been caught after all these years, so I'd say that at least excludes him from being at the top of the idiot list. I find it amusing that because he tried to kidnap an important CEO, the reward offered for his capture was MUCH higher than usual (around $100,000, I believe) even though he's definitely one of the least dangerous criminals ever featured on the show.

About Richard Bocklidge... no doubt he was a deranged idiot to do what he did in the first place. I guess I can understand being frustrated about getting kicked out of his classes, but it was his own fault (the dude was 24 in 1980 so he'd already had a few years of adulthood under him too) and to take it out on Tanya just because she kicked him out of the house. :( Even worse was the way he made that letter to her family sound, as if it was her fault.

I would think if he's still alive he probably changed his name and his appearance (well who knows what he'd naturally look like in 2010 anyway), but it wouldn't surprise me if he committed suicide in a rural area or something, and the body's just never been found over the years. The segment mentioned he'd been spotted in Manitoba Canada I believe, and his car was found abandoned.

That old lady who fell victim to that money scam, she was an immigrant as far as I remember.

I'd nominate the overweight guy in the trenchcoat who kidnapped bank executive John Grundhofer and tried to extort money for his safe return. A ransom demand partially in thousand dollar bills? Good luck trying to have the local McDonalds make change for that without making you look totally conspicuous....

Didn't he name his handgun "Carl" or something like that?

I concur with everyone else's choices for the most part.

My vote goes for Wendy Camp's Ex husband's family. my God... their attitude just disgusted me. the Grandma matter of factly saying "She was bitching and moaning." about wanting to spend more time with her Son. *shakes head* the fact her Ex left her in the hospital after she gets diagnosed w/ MS and shacks up with a teeny bopper right there in the hospital and divorces Wendy soon after. than they make up an elaborate story about leaving Wendy, her daughter, and sister in law at a Walmart???

Who would leave three women one of them being heavily disabled in a parking lot to boot? the story makes no sense at all. I believe one or more of the family members killed Wendy along with her Daughter and Sister in law. the husband allegedly admitted it to someone in a bar that he killed them but that nobody would find the bodies. sorry this is a rant. but everything about that segment just made me so angry and sad!!! :mad: :( I want justice to be served.

Cheryl Holland's sister was a idiot, for thinking she was completely innocent when other members of her family basically accepted the fact.

This isn't a UM segment but I'm sure some posters here who follow true crime will recognize it. It definitely qualifies as idiotic.

A middleaged woman killed her husband via slowly poisoning him. She completely got away with it, but the cause of death was incorrectly diagnosed. Consequently, her insurance payoff was not what it would have been.

If I remember correctly, the woman was so miffed and frustrated at not collecting the higher sum, she planted some poison in a bottle of capsules at a drug store, and a woman died after taking it. At that point the woman came forward and speculated her husband might have also died by consuming poisoned capsules.

The authorities found tiny granules of something used in fish tanks in the tainted capsules, and traced it back to the woman. She had neglected to clean her mixing bowl before grinding the poison, and the fish granules made it into the poisoned capsules. So she was an idiot on two fronts. Convicted of murder.
The woman that planted the cyanide laced Excedrin was Stella Nickell.

If I haven't said it yet: Chip Broussard(?) from the Ellender double murder segment. This mouth bretahing idiot barely makes sense with his statement and is so obviously lying.

Cheryl Holland's sister was a idiot, for thinking she was completely innocent when other members of her family basically accepted the fact.
^^^^^Totally agree^^^^^

Don Dixon would be my choice.

Here's another vote for Chad Noe. When he said that if he did admit to the murders, "it was probably during one of my drunken stupors or something," I was like flabbergasted at such flagrant idiocy...

Every member of the parole board in the James Donald King case. Even if you did have a "productive and exemplary life while on the run", you were still on the run. And still guilty of first-degree murder. And still serving a life sentence.

Sometimes I wonder if some political going-on wasn't in full effect in North Carolina to influence that particular move.


It's this sort of disgusting action that makes me wish there was some sort of agency that could and would prosecute negligent parole boards and judges who let dangerous fugitives out on the streets and then repercussions occur. There have been far too many cases like this.

You know, my career aptitude tests all told me I belonged in law enforcement either as a police officer, fingerprint classifier, crime scene investigator or private investigator. Maybe I should have looked into that field and formed my own branch that could handle this. :crazy:

But seriously speaking, I wish that past mistakes could be learned from rather than duplicated. If I was on a parole board, I would understand fully that it is necessary to consider the people in society- would the fugitive be a danger to other innocents out there? I think that murderers (excluding self-defense) should NEVER be given parole/ bail. One case that made me furious (!!!!) was featured on AMW. Sex crimes were being committed against children at resorts in Florida and a criminal task force spent many hours trying to track the guy. They finally did and it turned out to be a man in the U.S. on a work permit. A STUPID judge thought his job was more important so let him stay out of jail until trial. Of course, he is very much a missing fugitive today. This sort of idiocy should not be tolerated. Very likely she did not even consider the safety of other children out there. I hope they have caught this individual and that this judge is no longer a judge! There have been similar cases on UM.

I don't know if it's already been posted, but:

the two idiots neighbors (forgot the victim) who heard torture like screams coming from next door and they didn't call the police.

Don Dixon would be my choice.

My nomination would be the sheriff, for allowing someone who discovered the body (even if the authorities weren't aware it was a homicide at that time) to burn the mattress, destroying potential evidence and lending suggestion to a conspiracy. That just played into Dixon's hands.

Elizabeth Campbell's boyfriend, who acted goofy and nonchalant about her calling him from the 7-11 and his not picking her up. After all, the only thing that resulted from it is that she was kidnapped.

don dixon

leonard rizzo

My nomination would be the sheriff, for allowing someone who discovered the body (even if the authorities weren't aware it was a homicide at that time) to burn the mattress, destroying potential evidence and lending suggestion to a conspiracy. That just played into Dixon's hands.


Good point about the sheriff what the heck was he thinking,its pretty hard not to wonder about a conspiracy when a sheriff burns evidence at a crime scene but would he be so obvious about it if he was guilty who knows.

How could I forgot the investigators in the Mistaken Identity segment, the one murder victim was shot in the back of the head wearing a bullet proof vest in the middle of the desert and they still thought he might have commited suicide Lol! And then you had the second guy that was shot in the back of the head in his car had no powder residue on his hands no trace of a gun and yet they still said it was just as possible he shot himself.

Good point about the sheriff what the heck was he thinking,its pretty hard not to wonder about a conspiracy when a sheriff burns evidence at a crime scene but would he be so obvious about it if he was guilty who knows.


I personally don't think there was an actual conspiracy to destroy evidence; possibly Wampler wasn't thinking about the ramifications of it at the time and just was wanting to clean up things quick, and his actions seemed more suspicious than they most likely were. Dixon, on the other hand...

Jerry Strickland - The idiot thought the Cops had only "Circlestantial" evidence against him and his Trailer Trash kid bride. lol

Well, one of the worst cases of major idiocy displayed on UM should be assigned to an entire group of people: all of those who were responsible for constantly giving Michael Swango jobs in hospitals! Watching this segment, you would think that no hospital in the entire U.S. ever does a background checks before hiring someone!

It was particularly astounding to me that he kept finding employment even after he SPENT TIME IN PRISON for poisoning his co-workers and was able to successfully convince many of his employers that he was innocent all along! I believe one of those positions was only hiring 12 people out of 180 applicants and he STILL got the job! Hell, since he was established as a very mediocre student, I was shocked he even got an internship BEFORE he started murdering people!

Jerry Gerbishoni aka Gordon McIntyre. What a dumb *******.

My list of biggest UM idiots:

1. Waidada.
2. Jules Caylor. I mean, could this guy not look any more guilty with his demeanor?
3. KROQ D.J.'s and their accomplice. This was a low stunt, and then they lied through their teeth on Unsolved Mysteries. It says little about station management and the FCC for not taking more action on these guys.
4. Edward Bell. What a piece of garbage for exposing himself (to children, no less), and then killing the guy (his name escapes me) at point blank range, if I recall correctly.
5. Robert Weeks. Not only was he an idiot for thinking no one he knew would see him on TV, but then to wink at a news camera (as seen on the end of the UM update).
6. Dennis Depue. Did this idiot not realize that eventually law enforcement would get him?

Malaika Griffin - Dumb woman appears to not know anything about "property" and boundries, shoots neighbor. Smiles in her mugshot. Can you be any more stupid?

Jet Taylor and his wife Susan, ignored Crystal Spencer's screaming. What a pair of brain dead twats.

Jet Taylor and his wife Susan, ignored Crystal Spencer's screaming. What a pair of brain dead twats.

It takes a special kind of braindead twat to do something that stupid and then go on national TV and admit it! I found it astounding that they chose not to remain and anonymous and were actually willing to show their names and faces, but then I guess I guess they were the kind of people who relished any opportunity to be on TV, no matter how bad they looked. I really hope they were frequently recognized and ridiculed for their actions after the show aired.

biggest idoit you ask, i say Paul Pollis, when you hear him speak on why he didnt kill his wife, he sounded defensive and cocky, now he's in prison for another crime, what a dummy.

biggest idoit you ask, i say Paul Pollis, when you hear him speak on why he didnt kill his wife, he sounded defensive and cocky, now he's in prison for another crime, what a dummy.

Really? For what is he imprisoned?

Really? For what is he imprisoned?
he was in trouble for stealing money (him and his new wife), he got probation because he testified on her, BUT he violated his probation and was sent back to prison. he could be out now, BUT he was imprisoned for being stupid pretty much, i mean if you got away with one crime, the smart thing would be to keep you nose clean.

Lots of names in this thread definitely make my list of "biggest UM idiots".

One that I don't think was mentioned is the gas station attendant in the December 23, 1981 murder of a lady and her son, Roxanne and Kristopher Jeeves.

This was way back when you could go to the gas station and the attendant would pump the gas for you and even wash your windshield. She pulls in for gas and as the gas pump guy is performing those tasks, he notices that the Roxanne was driving her car looking extremely nervous and definitely as if something is wrong. The suspect was in the passenger seat also acting nervous, but in a different way, refusing to make eye contact, and staring at the floor, etc.

In the reenactment, the lady playing Roxanne keeps sharply and purposefully staring at the attendant, seemingly trying to let him know something is wrong without alerting the kidnapper to her behavior.

She pays, they drive off and that gas pump guy goes back inside where he tells a coworker something like, "That woman sure was acting scared. I wouldn't be surprised if something awful bad happens to her".

IIRC, the lady and her son were killed about 15 minutes later!

Lots of names in this thread definitely make my list of "biggest UM idiots".

One that I don't think was mentioned is the gas station attendant in the December 23, 1981 murder of a lady and her son, Roxanne and Kristopher Jeeves.

This was way back when you could go to the gas station and the attendant would pump the gas for you and even wash your windshield. She pulls in for gas and as the gas pump guy is performing those tasks, he notices that the Roxanne was driving her car looking extremely nervous and definitely as if something is wrong. The suspect was in the passenger seat also acting nervous, but in a different way, refusing to make eye contact, and staring at the floor, etc.

In the reenactment, the lady playing Roxanne keeps sharply and purposefully staring at the attendant, seemingly trying to let him know something is wrong without alerting the kidnapper to her behavior.

She pays, they drive off and that gas pump guy goes back inside where he tells a coworker something like, "That woman sure was acting scared. I wouldn't be surprised if something awful bad happens to her".

IIRC, the lady and her son were killed about 15 minutes later!

Yeah, that's a nerve-wracking portion. That segment still scares me a lot, even though the case has been solved. There are so many instances of the killer or the victims just slipping by capture or help, respectively. The gas station attendant, the witness who saw the get-away on the interstate, the detective who discovered the bodies still warm. :eek: What a horrible chain of events.

The fool who shot his wife (and mother of their 9+ children) on her birthday after separating while she worked in a bar then had the audacity to say, "I love you, Wanda," as he leaned over and shot her again. THEN he went to another bar and boasted about shooting her while getting even more drunk.

Same with the dude who pointed a loaded gun at his wife's head while laughing that there were no bullets and then shot her dead because he was drunk.




IIRC these were Lost Loves cases, where the children were separated and needed to find each other.

How bout Liz Carmichael? What a numbskull trying to pass himself off as a woman, not to mention that crummy car he tried to pass on everyone. :lol:

Then when he was a caught he looked really ridiculous in his bra and everything.

That man, (or woman?) definitely had some issues.

I couldn't tell if Robert Corrado's mother was playing dumb to protect her son or not.....but she was a huge idiot if she thought her son actually committed suicide. He was a criminal who didn't want to take responsibility for himself.

A lot of the big idiots have already been mentioned, but I think it was extremely dumb of Donna Brown to abandon her two children and take off with a convicted murderer. UM said her other husband was murdered---it just doesn't make sense that you would want to become romantically involved with a criminal. But, she was very lonely and wanted a man, and loneliness can lead to making some very stupid decisions romance wise.

Tim McClure---Coming forward on national TV to prove he didn't kill his mother...and the credit card discrepancy makes him look like even more of a suspect.

The cops that allegedly tried to make Debbie Wolfe's mysterious death look like an accidental drowning.

The woman in the Rainboy segment who automatically came to the conclusion that Don Dekker was possessed by Satan and insisted on getting a crucifix. Usually most people reach that conclusion after exploring all other possibilities first.

The male nurse who was a suspect in the murder that we really can't discuss here---he has made accusations that the victim's newspaper reporter friend actually was behind everything, which is pretty stupid. There's no evidence or motive to indicate she wanted the victim dead, unlike the male nurse. Any rational person who had a beef with their co-worker would just go out of their way to avoid them---they wouldn't turn their pictures down on their desk and write "death to her" on a calendar so it could be seen by a lot of people.

Debbie Tanner. Only wanted to know that Bo Tanner was still alive not press charges of bigamy and the statute of limitations expired for arson.

Art Silva's girlfriend. Enough said.

Assuming that Doyle Wheeler is telling the truth (and I have no doubt that he is), those thugs who were hired to kill him have gotta be some of the dumbest criminals you can imagine. I don't know how they could possibly screw up a shot to the back of the head on a guy who was hogtied only a few away from them and then leave without making sure he was dead! Then they make a call to the San Diego P.D. from the house phone, so that even if they had succeeded in killing Doyle and making it look a suicide, people are still going to check phone records and question why he would have called the S.D.P.D.! I think the only reason people could disbelieve Doyle Wheeler's story is that it's hard to imagine a professional hit being botched this badly.

On a similar note, if the theories about a botched hit are true, the killers of Doug Johnston, Matt Flores and the first Mary Morris may be among both the smartest and dumbest criminals on UM. Smartest, because they got away with it and didn't leave a trace of evidence. Dumbest, because they hit the wrong person.

I know Richard Bockledge has been mentioned, and while he may have been able to evade capture, I still find him a complete fool. Rather than being erratic and ruining his relationship, how about-you know- STUDYING?

I know Richard Bockledge has been mentioned, and while he may have been able to evade capture, I still find him a complete fool. Rather than being erratic and ruining his relationship, how about-you know- STUDYING?

I think he was more into drugs than anything and anyone. That, and finding a doctor to support him.

Eddie Wooten was pretty dumb himself

The male nurse who was a suspect in the murder that we really can't discuss here---

UMFaninMD, why can't we discuss the two Mary's murders here? Did I miss something?

I believe law enforcement has requested we not.

UMFaninMD, why can't we discuss the two Mary's murders here? Did I miss something?
I believe Necco is right. I think something went down during the thread about the case and we can no longer openly mention it, we have to kind of skirt around it. I joined the boards after this happened so maybe a poster that's been here longer can fill you in.

All I know is that the board has been told that this may tarnish the investigation. Usually I would annoyed because of free speech, but it would be just terrible to compromise the investigation so I will respect the request that we not discuss it here.

UMFaninMD, why can't we discuss the two Mary's murders here? Did I miss something?

If you do a search on the Mary Morris murders, you'll find a very lengthy thread from several years ago where the co-worker and the second Mary's family got into a very heated argument before the thread had to be locked.

Larry Gibson should win the title of "biggest idiot profiled on UM", hands down. The fact that he said it took him 45 minutes to jog two miles would be enough by itself, but tack on the fact that he shot his own son and tried to cover it up makes it that much worse.

Larry Gibson should win the title of "biggest idiot profiled on UM", hands down. The fact that he said it took him 45 minutes to jog two miles would be enough by itself, but tack on the fact that he shot his own son and tried to cover it up makes it that much worse.
Worse yet, think it was only one mile :lol: I would have to watch the segment again but that makes his story all the more laughable. And coaxing his daughter to tell that fake story about the two people in the yard is ridiculous.

Worse yet, think it was only one mile :lol: I would have to watch the segment again but that makes his story all the more laughable. And coaxing his daughter to tell that fake story about the two people in the yard is ridiculous.

He's quite the country star these days. Just google "Larry Gibson musician Montana" and you'll find a website, a link to his facebook page, and some clips of his music. No mention of murdering his son on any of those sites though.

A lot of the big idiots have already been mentioned, but I think it was extremely dumb of Donna Brown to abandon her two children and take off with a convicted murderer. UM said her other husband was murdered---it just doesn't make sense that you would want to become romantically involved with a criminal. But, she was very lonely and wanted a man, and loneliness can lead to making some very stupid decisions romance wise.

Tim McClure---Coming forward on national TV to prove he didn't kill his mother...and the credit card discrepancy makes him look like even more of a suspect.

The cops that allegedly tried to make Debbie Wolfe's mysterious death look like an accidental drowning.

The woman in the Rainboy segment who automatically came to the conclusion that Don Dekker was possessed by Satan and insisted on getting a crucifix. Usually most people reach that conclusion after exploring all other possibilities first.

The male nurse who was a suspect in the murder that we really can't discuss here---he has made accusations that the victim's newspaper reporter friend actually was behind everything, which is pretty stupid. There's no evidence or motive to indicate she wanted the victim dead, unlike the male nurse. Any rational person who had a beef with their co-worker would just go out of their way to avoid them---they wouldn't turn their pictures down on their desk and write "death to her" on a calendar so it could be seen by a lot of people.

Not to get into any discussion, but that is kind of the point is it not? The person you describe (Laurie Gemmell) was not a news paper reporter. She was a co worker up until 1 month before Mary was shot in the head. More to it and if you really need to know PM me but get some facts straight before you trash. You know nothing but pretend you do. No offense but people do read this stuff. It is forbidden to discuss the case here and I follow that.

He's quite the country star these days. Just google "Larry Gibson musician Montana" and you'll find a website, a link to his facebook page, and some clips of his music. No mention of murdering his son on any of those sites though.

In addition, you can also find plenty of handheld clips of Larry performing his country music on the forbidden site, and the comments sections on all those clips have been disabled. Guess the big country star doesn't want anyone leaving any comments about his checkered past.

Me! I mean, Lisa Penz! Come on, people :)

Me! I mean, Lisa Penz! Come on, people :)
:lol: I love your picture!



The episode where a burglar tries to assault some guy with a sizable guy and gets chomped before fleeing. That'll teach him to force entry into someone's house!

Leonard Rizzo, Monika Rizzo's husband, when he say "I beat up the wall and...I guess you can say the wall won". The jackass needs to fry for killing her.

the guy who embezzled money from his employer.that was really dumb and he was bound to get caught.this was the one where he wanted the secretary to make out a check,and she asked him if he would like to set up an account with them,and he said no,they're just a small mom n pop co.she became suspicious and called the bank,only to find everything was in his name only.
if I'm not mistaken I beleive he took his school-aged daughter with him when he fled.have they ever been found? i don't recall their names.

Sheriff Allmaras. Easily.

End this thread.

Alex Cooper's Daughter's Moustache

Alex Cooper's Daughter's Moustache
I found him to be quite the intellectual, on the contrary. :happyface

I know that this may sound harsh, but I hated how the detective in the Duwalloby (spelling?) segment behaved, the one who was suspicious because the stepfather and brother were awake and the others were sleeping just because things didn't work that way in his house. Um, sir? Not everyone's house functions in the same way.

Someone mentioned every couple featured on the fertility statues earlier in this thread. I don't know, if you want to have kids that badly yet you can't you will try almost anything. Infertility is a very painful thing to have to go through and having hope doesn't make someone an idiot. In fact I have thought of touching the statues myself and would if I knew where they were located :/ Maybe I'm an idiot, but hey if I ever do find the statues and get to touch them i'll report the results here lol!

I dunno, I think the real idiots on UM are the jerks that murder and think they can get any with it.

Well, one of the worst cases of major idiocy displayed on UM should be assigned to an entire group of people: all of those who were responsible for constantly giving Michael Swango jobs in hospitals! Watching this segment, you would think that no hospital in the entire U.S. ever does a background checks before hiring someone!

^This.

Southern Illinois probably should have booted him and I legitimately think they tried as best they could, but I've always felt Ohio State was the most negligent facility in this case. As soon as he started doing stupid stuff as an intern, they should have pulled all the stops, terminated him, and called every hospital he even halfway thought about gaining employment with.

Well, one of the worst cases of major idiocy displayed on UM should be assigned to an entire group of people: all of those who were responsible for constantly giving Michael Swango jobs in hospitals! Watching this segment, you would think that no hospital in the entire U.S. ever does a background checks before hiring someone!

It was particularly astounding to me that he kept finding employment even after he SPENT TIME IN PRISON for poisoning his co-workers and was able to successfully convince many of his employers that he was innocent all along! I believe one of those positions was only hiring 12 people out of 180 applicants and he STILL got the job! Hell, since he was established as a very mediocre student, I was shocked he even got an internship BEFORE he started murdering people!

LOL!!! This! :lol:

Sheriff Allmaras. Easily.

Oh yeah. "She ran over the tracks, hit her head on the roof, died, and then her car caught on fire." :rolleyes:

The people who killed Duane McCorkendale: What the F-ck. They could have easily asked him for the money and gotten it. There was no reason at all to shoot him. None. I hope karma found those bastards and got them good. They deprived a woman and her daughters of a seemingly caring and loving husband and father. This case makes my blood boil.

Brad Bishop. I don't care is his wife and mother were rude to him or what happened. There is no reason in the world to bludgeon your family, let alone three small children, with a hammer. I put Edward Zakrewski in here, too. Using a knife on not only his wife, but two children young enough to be using tricycles. SERIOUSLY? If you're disatisfied with your home life, LEAVE. What on Earth could compel you to include your small children in the violence?

The man who killed his wife and young stepdaughters and tried to kill the owner of the house. What an ass, pretending someone else did it, too. I hope he fries.

Again, if you're having marital or family issues, you really think using violence is the answer, especially on children?

Art Silva, who kept trying to have children to violate. Thank God for that parole officer who was so intent and watchful. She could have ignored the indicators, but instead she kept an eye not only in the apartment, but the surroundings, like when she found the teddy bear outside.

Paul Polis ohno:

i dont remember all the details of the case but there was this one case where a woman was rinning from an abusive husband or boyfriend and had managed to somehow get away from him but then instead of driving and driving until she was sure that he was gone she decided to pull over at i mini market for a soft drink and he caught up with her there
Was this on UM?



Adding another to the list: Richard Minns. Rich, bodybuilder, etc. He could have simply asked Barbara for the stuff back or something. Instead he immediately tries framing her, taps her phones, then has her shot. Wow. What a *****. I had a laugh seeing his update picture, too.

I had to bump this thread because I'm SHOCKED this guy hasn't been mentioned yet:

Elmo Florence, the hitman hired by John Mooney to murder T.K. Harty. This moron gives the police's job and solves the entire case for them by openly bragging about the murder to a bartender! And, as far as I can tell, the bartender was a friend of the victim! He also provides so many specific details about the crime that he completely disqualifies himself from ever being able to use the "I was drunk" or "I was just kidding" defenses!

And then it turns out he was only paid $125 to do the hit! You get exactly what you pay for, I guess...

YES. I read some transcripts of the original trial some months ago, and there are even more outstandingly dumb things said and done by our crafty craftster than just that bar exchange. He basically told the whole county. :lol:

I always loved the actor who played Mr. Florence. "Ima hitman!"

Actually, old John Mooney wasn't too clever himself by writing himself that reminder note to discuss "just taking the whole rap" for Elmo, either.

Actually, old John Mooney wasn't too clever himself by writing himself that reminder note to discuss "just taking the whole rap" for Elmo, either.
And sitting around drinking beer outside in the middle of the night and throwing beer cans in the area-WHILE on the run.

YES. I read some transcripts of the original trial some months ago, and there are even more outstandingly dumb things said and done by our crafty craftster than just that bar exchange. He basically told the whole county. :lol:

I rewatched the segment and chuckled at how investigators basically admitted they were lucky and probably never would have connected Mooney and Florence if he hadn't blabbed like that. Otherwise, they might never have found any hard evidence to connect Mooney to the murder.

On the other end of the "idiot hitmen" spectrum, there are those UM hitmen who were smart enough to pull off the perfect murder and get away with it, yet may have possibly killed the wrong person, such as in the Doug Johnston, Mary Morris and Matt Flores cases.

YES. I read some transcripts of the original trial some months ago, and there are even more outstandingly dumb things said and done by our crafty craftster than just that bar exchange. He basically told the whole county. :lol:

I always loved the actor who played Mr. Florence. "Ima hitman!"

Actually, old John Mooney wasn't too clever himself by writing himself that reminder note to discuss "just taking the whole rap" for Elmo, either.

His first dumb move was actually telling the police he thought he was brought in due to TK Hardy's murder, when in fact, they had not even released that to the public yet.

His first dumb move was actually telling the police he thought he was brought in due to TK Hardy's murder, when in fact, they had not even released that to the public yet.

I think he even mentioned the way he was killed when he made that slip, didn't he? Something like, "I guess I'm here about the shooting of T.K. Harty."

No one's ultimately very good at lying for very long. Some people are terrible right from the outset. :lol:

I know I've already posted in this thread some time ago, but wanted to clarify this for everyone after rewatching this case yet again:

Sheriff Edward Allmaras is the biggest idiot in the history of Unsolved Mysteries.

We need no more discussion.

I know I've already posted in this thread some time ago, but wanted to clarify this for everyone after rewatching this case yet again:

Sheriff Edward Allmaras is the biggest idiot in the history of Unsolved Mysteries.

We need no more discussion.

Who is that again?

Who is that again?


Allmaras is that doofus sheriff who refused to believe that Kathy Bonderson's death in 1987 was suspicious even though investigators said the fire in her car had several points of origin (indicates a deliberate arson, since regular accidental fires only have one point of origin).

He objected to exhuming her body for an autopsy, which was eventually done and indicated that she was dead before the fire, since she hadn't inhaled any smoke from the fire.

Her car and clothing showed traces of gasoline and there was a gas can found at the scene, yet the car itself still had 12 gallons of gas in the tank.

The UM wikia says this about the conclusion of the case, which proves Allmaras was wrong in his hasty assumptions and stubborn refusal to consider anything other than an accidental scenario:

In November of 2005, cold case investigators re-opened the case and a new autopsy performed proved that Kathy had definitely been murdered, after it was discovered that there were injuries to her neck and throat that were not consistent with the accident and most likely killed her.

In February of 2006, authorities discovered that Kathy's husband Robert was living in Thermopolis, Wyoming. After talking to the police, he vanished, leaving behind his bank and credit cards. In April of 2006, authorities discovered that Robert had taken his own life in a remote cabin in the Montana mountains. Police later concluded that had Robert been alive, that he would have been arrested for Kathy's murder, and that he is definitely responsible for her death; the case is now closed.

Allmaras is that doofus sheriff who refused to believe that Kathy Bonderson's death in 1987 was suspicious even though investigators said the fire in her car had several points of origin (indicates a deliberate arson, since regular accidental fires only have one point of origin).

He objected to exhuming her body for an autopsy, which was eventually done and indicated that she was dead before the fire, since she hadn't inhaled any smoke from the fire.

Her car and clothing showed traces of gasoline and there was a gas can found at the scene, yet the car itself still had 12 gallons of gas in the tank.

The UM wikia says this about the conclusion of the case, which proves Allmaras was wrong in his hasty assumptions and stubborn refusal to consider anything other than an accidental scenario:

In November of 2005, cold case investigators re-opened the case and a new autopsy performed proved that Kathy had definitely been murdered, after it was discovered that there were injuries to her neck and throat that were not consistent with the accident and most likely killed her.

In February of 2006, authorities discovered that Kathy's husband Robert was living in Thermopolis, Wyoming. After talking to the police, he vanished, leaving behind his bank and credit cards. In April of 2006, authorities discovered that Robert had taken his own life in a remote cabin in the Montana mountains. Police later concluded that had Robert been alive, that he would have been arrested for Kathy's murder, and that he is definitely responsible for her death; the case is now closed.

There are people in this world who just utterly refuse to admit they have ever been wrong or made a mistake and will just stubbornly stick to what they have first said or done without backing down. It really upsets me that when other people's lives hang in the balance ( Kathy was murdered, what's to stop the killer from striking again) or justice is on the line that Allmaras would choose to remain so stubborn, not even CONSIDERING another opinion. Investigation is not for you if you have such a personality or complex as this. If I was a member of Kathy's family, words couldn't possibly describe how furious I would be. The other investigator, on the other hand, restores some faith in humanity for fighting the original ruling.

What about John Cosgrove for not giving us any new shows? :wave:

I always wondered if Sheriff Allmaras was close to retirement and very anxious to end his career with zero unsolved cases on his record. Even though all the evidence pointed to homicide, he'd be damned if Kathy Bonderson's death was going to spoil his perfect spotless record!

When it comes to idiots who couldn't admit they were wrong, I'm not sure anyone can top those auto executives in the Liz Carmichael segment who, even after being defrauded, said they'd still do business with her today!

Just thought about this one. D.B. Cooper ordering two Bourbons when he was planning to parachute. Would you really drink booze when about to do something like that? If he really survived the jump and was in the woods as the reenactment showed, I bet he was kicking himself for the dehydration that caused. XD

Just thought about this one. D.B. Cooper ordering two Bourbons when he was planning to parachute. Would you really drink booze when about to do something like that? If he really survived the jump and was in the woods as the reenactment showed, I bet he was kicking himself for the dehydration that caused. XD

On the contrary, I think some people would NEED to have a lot of booze in them to work up the will to do something crazy like that :lol: . But that's a good point about the dehydration.

On the contrary, I think some people would NEED to have a lot of booze in them to work up the will to do something crazy like that :lol:
:lol::lol: Excellent point.

Definitely the woman who had a one year sentence for passing bad checks and tried to kill the cop who was taking her to jail (which was thwarted by good Samaritans). What the hell? Going to jail sucks, sure, but why do such a stupid thing, particularly when you have such a small sentence!!! Bonafide fool.

Definitely the woman who had a one year sentence for passing bad checks and tried to kill the cop who was taking her to jail (which was thwarted by good Samaritans). What the hell? Going to jail sucks, sure, but why do such a stupid thing, particularly when you have such a small sentence!!! Bonafide fool.

I definitely don't understand criminals that escalate things so unnecessarily. Take the slap on the wrist and then lay low! Dang. :crazy:

Tony Alamo is up there. Randall utterback... Steven Anderson….. Omar the arsonist...Jesse Hollywood

Was this on UM?



Adding another to the list: Richard Minns. Rich, bodybuilder, etc. He could have simply asked Barbara for the stuff back or something. Instead he immediately tries framing her, taps her phones, then has her shot. Wow. What a *****. I had a laugh seeing his update picture, too.

Minns was a spineless weasle. :mad:

The two U-HAUL brothers who wouldn't even, out of respect for their brother's family torn apart by murder, give statements to police without making horrendous comments and arrogantly claiming that they would interview the police instead because they were paying for the air conditioner in the building. Seriously? No one likes being questioned but show some decency. Wish the officers could have cited them with obstruction to justice or some sort of fine for not cooperating.

Every time I watch the TK Harty segment, I am floored by the utter stupidity of John Moody. Elmo was dumb to blab to the bartender, but John had so many opportunities to get away with it I find it hilarious how badly he botched it.

1) Saying he must be being interrogated for the murder- when it was way too early for there to be any newspaper articles about it.
2) Actually being able to leave the country, getting away scot free, but then he decides to come back to the US.
3) Not only does he return to the US, he returns to the SAME AREA and draws attention to himself by sitting outside drinking and throwing beer cans.
4) Writing an incriminating note about he and Elmo's plan.

So let's get this straight: He was able to leave the country and escape, but instead decides to come back and of all the places he can go in the country, he returns to the same area where he's wanted for murder. Grade A fool. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he did all these dumb things and got himself caught, but I find it kind of hilarious.

Every time I watch the TK Harty segment, I am floored by the utter stupidity of John Moody. Elmo was dumb to blab to the bartender, but John had so many opportunities to get away with it I find it hilarious how badly he botched it.

1) Saying he must be being interrogated for the murder- when it was way too early for there to be any newspaper articles about it.
2) Actually being able to leave the country, getting away scot free, but then he decides to come back to the US.
3) Not only does he return to the US, he returns to the SAME AREA and draws attention to himself by sitting outside drinking and throwing beer cans.
4) Writing an incriminating note about he and Elmo's plan.

So let's get this straight: He was able to leave the country and escape, but instead decides to come back and of all the places he can go in the country, he returns to the same area where he's wanted for murder. Grade A fool. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he did all these dumb things and got himself caught, but I find it kind of hilarious.

+1 big time. John Mooney unquestionably makes it into UM's derp hall of fame.

Definitely the woman who had a one year sentence for passing bad checks and tried to kill the cop who was taking her to jail (which was thwarted by good Samaritans). What the hell? Going to jail sucks, sure, but why do such a stupid thing, particularly when you have such a small sentence!!! Bonafide fool.

I don't remember this segment at ALL (meaning I don't think I have seen it before!) BUT I'll agree with you - this person has to be a SUPER IDIOT. God, take your one year sentence, you'll be out in 8 months....or, kill the cop and spend 25 years in jail....8 months or 25 years? Hmmm.....that's a tough one! :lol:

3) Not only does he return to the US, he returns to the SAME AREA and draws attention to himself by sitting outside drinking and throwing beer cans.

This is hands down the single most idiotic thing a criminal ever profiled on UM had to have done. Granted he escaped afterward, but it was still a pretty stupid thing to do. He might as well stood out front of the police station with a sign that said, "I paid some guy to shoot TK Hardy."

He might as well stood out front of the police station with a sign that said, "I paid some guy to shoot TK Hardy."

I guess that "incriminating note" would have sufficed if he couldn't find a suitable sign. :)

I don't remember this segment at ALL (meaning I don't think I have seen it before!) BUT I'll agree with you - this person has to be a SUPER IDIOT. God, take your one year sentence, you'll be out in 8 months....or, kill the cop and spend 25 years in jail....8 months or 25 years? Hmmm.....that's a tough one! :lol:

http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Saviors_of_Doris_Smith

If you have the psychic DVD set, it's on there, I think. :wave:


This is hands down the single most idiotic thing a criminal ever profiled on UM had to have done. Granted he escaped afterward, but it was still a pretty stupid thing to do. He might as well stood out front of the police station with a sign that said, "I paid some guy to shoot TK Hardy."

:lol:

I just rewatched the later case about Laura Law, who shot her boyfriend and hid him in the shed in the backyard...despite keeping her close friend's belongings in the shed for them and knowing the friend would eventually call to request her stuff! I can't believe she really thought she could get away with it.

I just rewatched the later case about Laura Law, who shot her boyfriend and hid him in the shed in the backyard...despite keeping her close friend's belongings in the shed for them and knowing the friend would eventually call to request her stuff! I can't believe she really thought she could get away with it.

LMAO!!!! I've NEVER seen this clip, either!!! So I just googled it and read the unsolved-wikia site.....how DUMB is this woman??? Seriously, sounds like she was too busy playing black-jack to take the time to get rid of the body LOL. And then she pleads guilty....no sh1t, Sherlock! I'm looking in my office trash-can to see what she is as dumb "as"...she's as dumb as an empty bag of Crispers....she's as dumb as used dental floss...she's as dumb as a sticky note that says "call Miranda at 4pm" LMAO. Good post, WishfulDreamer, I hope to see the segment someday so I can have a good laugh!

LMAO!!!! I've NEVER seen this clip, either!!! So I just googled it and read the unsolved-wikia site.....how DUMB is this woman??? Seriously, sounds like she was too busy playing black-jack to take the time to get rid of the body LOL. And then she pleads guilty....no sh1t, Sherlock! I'm looking in my office trash-can to see what she is as dumb "as"...she's as dumb as an empty bag of Crispers....she's as dumb as used dental floss...she's as dumb as a sticky note that says "call Miranda at 4pm" LMAO. Good post, WishfulDreamer, I hope to see the segment someday so I can have a good laugh!
Yeah, it's a sad case but the criminal was ridiculous. The reenactment is funny just because the actress captures perfectly how bad of a liar the lady was. ''Oh, uh actually I moved the stuff out a few months ago and rented it out...'' ''What's the name of the man you rented it to?'' ''Uh, George!!'' and then she has to pause to make up an obviously fake last name. :lol: Reminds me of a Brady Bunch episode. ''What's your boyfriend's name, Jan?'' ''Uh, George! George...uh...Glass!''

Another, more minor, idiot has to be the guy in the Dale Williams case who kept ripping down Dale's missing posters because they'd had an argument before Dale vanished. Whether guilty or innocent, this guy is a moron! If he's guilty of being involved, he is drawing attention to himself going into the post office repeatedly ripping down the posters (when most buildings of this nature have security cameras...). If he's innocent, he's drawing suspicion to himself and making it look like he's involved in a missing persons case!

I also recently watched Robert Leeds case, a man who is pretending to be knowledgeable in the art world...when according to his assistant, he didn't even know who Renoir was!!! :eek:

William Fischer. This segment makes me so angry every time I see it. So he decides to shoot his son 18 times because he wanted more money to treat his cystic fibrosis? And to kill a stranger, too? Just because he didn't want to pay? Seriously? I really wonder if there's more to this story that sheds more light on the motive, but this man has to be one of the most cold-blooded, evil people profiled on UM.

Mel Green. He might have even gotten away with hiring a hitman to kill his wife if he hadn't behaved so atrociously and suspiciously. When the police initially questioned him about his wife's attack and he claimed he couldn't talk to him because of his attorney saying so is just about the dumbest thing a person can do--he wasn't even a suspect at this point, just being asked some questions. Why would he need an attorney? Why wouldn't he answer questions about his wife being shot? And of course acting so nonchalant and chipper about his weight loss right after his wife died was pretty silly too, not to mention heartless. They had pretty much no evidence to show that he had hired a hitman and I believe he probably never would have been convicted if he had behaved less suspiciously.

Mel Green. He might have even gotten away with hiring a hitman to kill his wife if he hadn't behaved so atrociously and suspiciously. When the police initially questioned him about his wife's attack and he claimed he couldn't talk to him because of his attorney saying so is just about the dumbest thing a person can do--he wasn't even a suspect at this point, just being asked some questions. Why would he need an attorney? Why wouldn't he answer questions about his wife being shot? And of course acting so nonchalant and chipper about his weight loss right after his wife died was pretty silly too, not to mention heartless. They had pretty much no evidence to show that he had hired a hitman and I believe he probably never would have been convicted if he had behaved less suspiciously.

If you haven't read Michele Samit's book No Sanctuary yet, it goes into detail about Mel's generally repulsive personality. Apparently he wasn't wildly popular with Anita's friends at all, and IIRC some of them felt he had actually lured her out of her stale but otherwise stable marriage.

If you haven't read Michele Samit's book No Sanctuary yet, it goes into detail about Mel's generally repulsive personality. Apparently he wasn't wildly popular with Anita's friends at all, and IIRC some of them felt he had actually lured her out of her stale but otherwise stable marriage.
I haven't, but I've been meaning to check it out for years. This is probably one of my favorite UM segments. I can imagine that UM didn't even scratch the surface of getting into how bad Mel was with the limited time they had to profile the case. Does the book cover the information that Michele Samit believed had placed her in great danger?

On a side note, one of the Amazon reviews of the book comes from a man who claims to have gone to Mel Green for his taxes before the murder took place. Apparently Mel liked to show clients that he could rip a thick telephone book in half. :rolleyes:

I haven't, but I've been meaning to check it out for years. This is probably one of my favorite UM segments. I can imagine that UM didn't even scratch the surface of getting into how bad Mel was with the limited time they had to profile the case. Does the book cover the information that Michele Samit believed had placed her in great danger?

Yes it does, but I would have to pick it back up and refresh myself as I haven't read the book in years. An active member of the board sold me a copy along with some other books a few years ago and I remember spending many nights up waaaaay past my bedtime reading it. As a matter of fact, now that I'm back on the mainland I'll be pulling some of my things out of storage here in the next week and that book is included in those belongings. Now I want to re-read it!

On a side note, one of the Amazon reviews of the book comes from a man who claims to have gone to Mel Green for his taxes before the murder took place. Apparently Mel liked to show clients that he could rip a thick telephone book in half. :rolleyes:

No wonder, with those meat hooks. :rolleyes:

I did check that review out and saw the part where he explained to the reviewer that his ex-wife's name was the Hebrew version of "Sarah". I always thought "Sarah" was the Hebrew for "Sarah". :confused:

I did check that review out and saw the part where he explained to the reviewer that his ex-wife's name was the Hebrew version of "Sarah". I always thought "Sarah" was the Hebrew for "Sarah". :confused:

That is odd. I'm pretty sure Sarah is a Hebrew name, but I'm certainly no expert. But since that's what Green said, I wouldn't be surprised if he was wrong or flat out lying.

I will definitely have to give the book a read! I'd love to know if she covers the unidentified man she saw visiting Mel in prison who looked like the composite sketch of the shooter. Did LE check the visitor logs at all??

I haven't, but I've been meaning to check it out for years. This is probably one of my favorite UM segments. I can imagine that UM didn't even scratch the surface of getting into how bad Mel was with the limited time they had to profile the case. Does the book cover the information that Michele Samit believed had placed her in great danger?

On a side note, one of the Amazon reviews of the book comes from a man who claims to have gone to Mel Green for his taxes before the murder took place. Apparently Mel liked to show clients that he could rip a thick telephone book in half. :rolleyes:

Well... The H&R guy could barely rip a sunday paper...

Linda Mann, also a candidate for least believable.

I just want to know if Alan and Linda Mann are still together.

I just want to know if Alan and Linda Mann are still together.
I thought someone on here found Alan online and discovered that he was married to someone else? I would have to go hunting for that thread, though.

I thought someone on here found Alan online and discovered that he was married to someone else? I would have to go hunting for that thread, though.

Correct. Alan remarried and has been in trouble with the law a few times.Once for battery (possibly linda? who knows?.) Another time was for waiving a gun around like an idiot.

I just want to know if Alan and Linda Mann are still together.

Alan has remarried. I found his father's obit online and posted the info in another thread... maybe the main Lake Wales Haunting thread or People on UM Who've Passed thread, not sure.

Alan and his wife (not Linda) were named as survivors in the obit.

Shucks. I had them pegged as soul mates.

I still think John Mooney is the #1 fool on UM, but another candidate that gets me is whoever kept giving Swango jobs. It wasn't like he was even a good doctor when he wasn't harming his patients. Wasn't he failing miserably as a resident and getting consistently poor reviews? But kudos to the coworkers who worked so hard to get a case against him established.

I think a lot of people featured in the Liz Carmichael segment were idiots for continuing to believe that they could still function as a company after everything was crumbling down around them.

Adam Hecht for me was an idiot. Bringing Tony over to his mothers house, Tony being a stranger and smelling really bad. Adam was very naive and didn't really know what he was getting himself into.

My vote for biggest idiots on UM in memory are Paul Polis's Mother, Wendy Camps ex husband Chad Noe, Pretty much everyone on the Sammy Wheeler episode, and Mark Nichols.

For me, although only with 'Circlestantial' evidence, Jerry Strickland.

What a piece of work. A conman, a parole jumper, and not to mention a fat, disgusting slob and murderer - he rises right to the top for me.

I lol'd when I saw on his inmate page this nickname:

http://mdocweb.state.mi.us/otis2/otis2profile.aspx?mdocNumber=196117


Aliases

Cooter :lol:

Michigan taxpayers will be pleased to note that ol' Jerry there is now 300 pounds. I am sure he is glad that they pay to maintain that weight.

Then his girlfriend Melissa Munday, she should be added to the 'What were you Thinking?' file. The mugshot of him that they show in the UM segment he looks like he is about to keel over in a diabetic coma. Yes, if I were a woman he's definitely the kind of guy I would want to be the father of my children.

For me, although only with 'Circlestantial' evidence, Jerry Strickland.

What a piece of work. A conman, a parole jumper, and not to mention a fat, disgusting slob and murderer - he rises right to the top for me.

I lol'd when I saw on his inmate page this nickname:

http://mdocweb.state.mi.us/otis2/otis2profile.aspx?mdocNumber=196117

:lol:

Michigan taxpayers will be pleased to note that ol' Jerry there is now 300 pounds. I am sure he is glad that they pay to maintain that weight.

Then his girlfriend Melissa Munday, she should be added to the 'What were you Thinking?' file. The mugshot of him that they show in the UM segment he looks like he is about to keel over in a diabetic coma. Yes, if I were a woman he's definitely the kind of guy I would want to be the father of my children.

Somebody used to have a Jerry Strickland MDOC mugshot as their avatar and it used to crack me up every time I saw it.

Adam Hecht for me was an idiot. Bringing Tony over to his mothers house, Tony being a stranger and smelling really bad. Adam was very naive and didn't really know what he was getting himself into.

Being an idiot and being generous to a complete stranger are 2 different things. Sure, he was naive, but he wasn't doing anything out of malice or mudslinging anybody like most of the interviewees.

Being an idiot and being generous to a complete stranger are 2 different things. Sure, he was naive, but he wasn't doing anything out of malice or mudslinging anybody like most of the interviewees.

Yep, he was probably doing it because he was sick of his family acting like royalty & looking down their nose at everybody all of his life. His mother in particular came across so bad in that segment-maybe if she hadn't behaved like she did & been so controlling he wouldn't have been so obsessed with helping those less fortunate.

Yep, he was probably doing it because he was sick of his family acting like royalty & looking down their nose at everybody all of his life. His mother in particular came across so bad in that segment-maybe if she hadn't behaved like she did & been so controlling he wouldn't have been so obsessed with helping those less fortunate.

None of the Hechts said or did anything in the segment that was rude, snobbish or inappropriate and I, quite frankly, am sick of people saying otherwise. What exactly did Adam get tired of? 3 square meals a day? a roof over his head? clothes? a comfortable life? Abandon all that to live starving, cold and in a sketchy part of town?

I take it you are doing a Gorilla Monsoon?

The couple who followed Dennis Depue's van. You guys had the license plate number, in addition to the bloody sheet and the blood-splatter on the side door. There was no reason to go to the schoolyard and try to find the sheet. You guys were very lucky: a guy who has killed one person, probably wouldn't have too many qualms about killing a couple of witnesses. I know this was in the era before cell phones were everywhere but still.

Gordon Weaver. His wife said she wanted to divorce and he asked if she told anyone and she said, "No." But he neglected to remember that she was very close to her sisters and had obviously told them-and killed her in a fire only three days after she announced she wanted a divorce. What a "coincidence." Glad they got him.

Adam Hecht for me was an idiot. Bringing Tony over to his mothers house, Tony being a stranger and smelling really bad. Adam was very naive and didn't really know what he was getting himself into.


The brother came across as a bit of an idiot as well.

I haven't gotten through the whole thread but if no one has said it yet I vote for Noreen Renier and John Catchings.

Like all psychics these two give very many and very vague clues about a crime and a few of them are hits like the killer had hair, or was a man, and all of the sudden like John said "He knew that I knew that he knew..."
A quick google search can bring up a wealth of evidence about these two frauds and how most law enforcement officials no longer work with psychics.

My favorite part was when Noreen hammed it up for the camera and "tuned in" to the victim and started shrieking in her annoying voice "Jake!" and while swirling in her chair she grabs her face and says "I'm shot". I was laughing the whole time just wishing that she would pull her face off so we didn't have to hear her.
I also couldn't stand how she sat there all smug talking about her "gift" and how to try to explain it would prove as difficult as it would be for us lowly normal humans to explain how we think.
I have an explanation...it's all a giant con. The day that Noreen points her wrinkled finger at a suspect and says his complete first and last name with no prior knowledge is the day I would believe her.
Until then she's just an actor, like all the others in those segments, but she hasn't realized the cameras are no longer rolling.

Eric Rudolph.

He got caught mainly because he ran away from the scene of a bombing while acting suspiciously and REMOVING HIS WIG. Had he blended into the crowd and simply walked to his truck without taking the wig off and acting kooky, he probably wouldn't have been caught/identified, at least not so soon. Thankfully, his idiocy got him followed by a witness who relayed his license number to police.

Caradoc :rolleyes:

And I was thinking the one where the guy drops his wife off and then talks about how it's not so bad not having her around (paraphrasing) was Jule Caylor.



Not that Chad Noe is in any way less of a nimrod, definitely one of the UMIHOF. We should start a page just for that. The UM Idiot Hall of Fame.

Plenty of great nominees in his thread. I love it.


Bob Bean can be our charter inductee.

Michigan taxpayers will be pleased to note that ol' Jerry there is now 300 pounds. I am sure he is glad that they pay to maintain that weight.

Then his girlfriend Melissa Munday, she should be added to the 'What were you Thinking?' file. The mugshot of him that they show in the UM segment he looks like he is about to keel over in a diabetic coma. Yes, if I were a woman he's definitely the kind of guy I would want to be the father of my children.

Everyone in that segment came across as very Trailer Trashy. :eek:

Elizabeth Ortiz. Sure, let's poison your husband with a mikshake, even though the doctors will clearly find out the root cause of his being poisoned, and then lets fake your son's kidnapping, which would only make the cops even more suspicious of you.

Well, now that the case is finally solved, we can definitely add Michael Haim to this list since he made the idiotic decision to bury his murdered wife's remains in the backyard of his house!

I turns out that when Bonnie's family won the wrongful death civil suit against Michael all those years ago, they indirectly cracked the case since the house was seized from Michael as part of the judgment and sold off at auction. I hope Michael was living in intense paranoia all these years until the new owners finally dug up the backyard and found Bonnie.

The brother of the boy who was killed by Jesse James Hollywood.

Elizabeth Ortiz. Sure, let's poison your husband with a mikshake, even though the doctors will clearly find out the root cause of his being poisoned, and then lets fake your son's kidnapping, which would only make the cops even more suspicious of you.
Have to agree here. And then to think how much she screwed her son up as well.

The guy who said, "And I'm Michael Jordan. I play basketball for the Chicago Bulls."

You leave Danny Wheeler alone! lol

You leave Danny Wheeler alone! lol
He may have been one of the most sarcastic people ever featured. I never get tired of that segment.


Mark Nichols always seemed idiotic.

The biggest idiot who has ever been profiled is Jeffery McDonald, the Army doc who killed his wife and kids. Through the course of the very long legal litigation of case, the charges against McDonald kept getting dismissed and then reinstated. Yet, McDonald went on with his life apparently naive of the legal dangers that were always around him. If I had been Jeffery McDonald, I think I would left the country to be sure the government would not be able to get me again. What an idiot to keep hanging around within the grasp of Us Juristication.

He may have been one of the most sarcastic people ever featured. I never get tired of that segment.


Mark Nichols always seemed idiotic.
I loved Danny Wheeler. That guy was hilarious.

The brother of the boy who was killed by Jesse James Hollywood.


This.

Guy was a ****ing moron.

Elizabeth Ortiz and Chad Noe jump out to me right away.
Mark Nichols seemed kind of dumb, but I am still not totally convinced he got rid of his wife. She had her own issues and it wouldn't shock me if she decided to disappear on her own.
The Wheeler-Beam segment is just hilarious, definitely one of the funniest of the entire series.

Roger Roxas has to be right up there.

Roger Roxas has to be right up there.

How so?

How so?

Shouted his mouth off about finding treasure in a country with a psychotic dictator, rather than selling it overseas he tried to sell it to one of the psychotic dictators underlings/stooges, so his house gets raided & they lose everything. Then he decides he will report the crime to the police thinking somehow they will just go to the rulers palace & get the stuff back. His friend in the judiciary tells him he has made a colossal error & thus he flees with his family-the first sensible thing he has done. Then he decides to return to declare the lunatic leader is parading a fake Buddha & now he is on the radar of the leader again-so he is captured & tortured.

So he basically went treasure hunting with way too many people to keep anything found a secret, he tried selling the Buddha to somebody he couldn't trust, ended up costing his family their home, then told the police who are in the pay of the crazy guy who ordered the raid, came out of hiding to have a pop at the psychopathic leader putting himself & his family at risk of death & endured weeks of torture which left him permanently disfigured, if not for his locksmith skills he likely would have been executed along with his family & his crusade for treasure that wasn't his to start with eventually cost him his marriage & probably his children & potentially shortened his life greatly.

This was mentioned in passing during the Diabolical Minds segment on evil world leaders.

Riyadh Ibrahim, the Minister of Health under Saddam Hussein who had suggested that Saddam step down temporarily so they may sign peace with Iran, was a very strong contender for a Darwin Award in political stupidity. Was, because he ended up turned back to his wife in chopped-up pieces soon after. For someone with Ivy League diploma, as much clever he may have been he should have known that a ruthless, psycholatic dictator asking for real and constructive advice from his ministers, even if negative, is always a trap that leads to your gruesome death.

The cop that was interviewed in the Joyce Chiang segment.

Adam Emery & his wife. Chases down the wrong person for a minor scrape, then the wife gives him her knife & the cretin jumps on their car & stabs the guy as he tries to get away from them. No idea if he is still alive although her skull being found indicates it was a suicide pact rather than him killing her then going on the run. She seemed to be the instigator-winding him up to do something & giving him the knife.

Adam Emery & his wife. Chases down the wrong person for a minor scrape, then the wife gives him her knife & the cretin jumps on their car & stabs the guy as he tries to get away from them. No idea if he is still alive although her skull being found indicates it was a suicide pact rather than him killing her then going on the run. She seemed to be the instigator-winding him up to do something & giving him the knife.

100%

I can KIND OF understand chasing the guy down. But running after him with a knife, and jumping on his hood? Come on.

And I highly doubt he's alive. I think it's much more likely they missed his remains, considering they didn't find his wife's for a few years, and seemingly by accident.

Dick Hansen

From his lame excuses for his questionable actions and his decision to mask his voice was a total disaster. Made him sound even more like a monster.

Dick Hansen

From his lame excuses for his questionable actions and his decision to mask his voice was a total disaster. Made him sound even more like a monster.

I think you mean Donnie Hansen. Dick Hansen is the man who was shot by a motorist who had followed him and his friend home from a bar.

Speaking of Donnie, I have to agree. "I just came back here to feed my dog" "Oh, the random guy shot my sister and totally ignored my shouts and left.":rolleyes:

Dick Hansen

From his lame excuses for his questionable actions and his decision to mask his voice was a total disaster. Made him sound even more like a monster.

Think you must be thinking of somebody else-Hansen was murdered after a date.

Dr. frank’s victim’s friend (Patty’s friend who accompanied her to the bar where they originally met). She abandoned her friend with a random stranger who went on to rape her that same night. A true friend wouldn’t leave her friend at a bar even if the guy says “I’ll take her home”. Stay there & wait for her! :mad:

I think you mean Donnie Hansen. Dick Hansen is the man who was shot by a motorist who had followed him and his friend home from a bar.

Speaking of Donnie, I have to agree. "I just came back here to feed my dog" "Oh, the random guy shot my sister and totally ignored my shouts and left.":rolleyes:

Yes that’s it. Thanks For correcting that.

Yes that’s it. Thanks For correcting that.

No worries! :wave: I feel like a nerd sometimes for remembering these names haha.

Another nomination for idiot: Whoever decided Edward Harold Bell was worthy of being out on bail after killing someone in cold blood and attempting to shoot police officers. Just what?!

No worries! :wave: I feel like a nerd sometimes for remembering these names haha.

Another nomination for idiot: Whoever decided Edward Harold Bell was worthy of being out on bail after killing someone in cold blood and attempting to shoot police officers. Just what?!
:)

That’s wild that he got bail. I wonder if the judge ever watched the segment...

Dr. frank’s victim’s friend (Patty’s friend who accompanied her to the bar where they originally met). She abandoned her friend with a random stranger who went on to rape her that same night. A true friend wouldn’t leave her friend at a bar even if the guy says “I’ll take her home”. Stay there & wait for her! :mad:

There are a LOT of scumbag friends out there. My ex-gf went out to a bar a couple years ago with a group of friends she trusted. She ended up getting drugged and almost raped. The friends had completely ghosted. I was livid when she told me about it.

There are a LOT of scumbag friends out there. My ex-gf went out to a bar a couple years ago with a group of friends she trusted. She ended up getting drugged and almost raped. The friends had completely ghosted. I was livid when she told me about it.



With friends like that, who needs enemies

There are a LOT of scumbag friends out there. My ex-gf went out to a bar a couple years ago with a group of friends she trusted. She ended up getting drugged and almost raped. The friends had completely ghosted. I was livid when she told me about it.

Can I be really naive here and ask what "Ghosted" means? Does it mean the so called friends deserted the poor girl? :confused:

Jet and Susan Taylor heard Crystal Spencer screaming so what do they do?.

......nothing. Absolutely nothing.

I haven't gotten through the whole thread but if no one has said it yet I vote for Noreen Renier and John Catchings.

Like all psychics these two give very many and very vague clues about a crime and a few of them are hits like the killer had hair, or was a man, and all of the sudden like John said "He knew that I knew that he knew..."
A quick google search can bring up a wealth of evidence about these two frauds and how most law enforcement officials no longer work with psychics.

My favorite part was when Noreen hammed it up for the camera and "tuned in" to the victim and started shrieking in her annoying voice "Jake!" and while swirling in her chair she grabs her face and says "I'm shot". I was laughing the whole time just wishing that she would pull her face off so we didn't have to hear her.
I also couldn't stand how she sat there all smug talking about her "gift" and how to try to explain it would prove as difficult as it would be for us lowly normal humans to explain how we think.
I have an explanation...it's all a giant con. The day that Noreen points her wrinkled finger at a suspect and says his complete first and last name with no prior knowledge is the day I would believe her.
Until then she's just an actor, like all the others in those segments, but she hasn't realized the cameras are no longer rolling.

My first thought when watching this was Noreen is a wannabe actress-it was so over the top it was pathetic. That she was able to describe the old couple isn't that mind blowing-there were no doubt photos of them in newspapers she could have accessed, via this means she could have also easily found out about the phone conversation-meaning the woman would have been shot first, the son or grandson as there seems to be some doubt looking online being arrested as a suspect & released because he had an alibi etc meaning he no doubt had hired others to do it. As for her identification-the law of averages means if you pick two out of ten or twelve cards you have a great chance of getting at least one if not both-how about putting forty photos down & getting her to choose two? This is of course even assuming it went down as shown.

Of course she had nothing to do with solving the case-the cops already suspected the son & the two guys, the case was broken because the cops finally managed to break their alibis thanks to a jailhouse snitch, in the meantime the family had got this parasite involved & all she could come up with was the letter S-apparently the deceased couldn't actually name the people, one might suggest because even if Noreen was getting help from them they didn't actually know the killers & she just threw a popular random letter of the alphabet out there & if if it was anything like the usual psychic stuff she threw pretty much every letter of the alphabet & every popular name out there first-but of course the 95% misses are forgotten about.

As for the Rosemary Hon case-again the person police immediately suspected whop turned out to be the killer was unable to be charged, Noreen told them to go after a family friend who as it turned out was totally innocent.

Can I be really naive here and ask what "Ghosted" means? Does it mean the so called friends deserted the poor girl? :confused:

Yeah. Ghosted means to leave something/one behind.

Jet and Susan Taylor heard Crystal Spencer screaming so what do they do?.

......nothing. Absolutely nothing.

In Jet's defense he was probably too busy gelling and spraying that monstrosity on his head to move.

Randy Parker-the cuckold idiot is still with his pathetic excuse for a wife & mother.

Randy Parker-the cuckold idiot is still with his pathetic excuse for a wife & mother.

Now that’s a good one. The only person who wasn’t a total mezzofinook in that case was Dial. Sure, he was a convicted murderer but he did Bobbi Parker a huge solid by taking all of the blame for his escape so she could avoid doing hard time.

Just saw this segment for the first time today but Scott Hill. He left his family without any money honestly it seemed like he did not want to be found but he really had no choice due to the inheritance.

~ Sorry if hes mentioned! I didn’t look through all of the thread

Timothy Good.

Somebody used to have a Jerry Strickland MDOC mugshot as their avatar and it used to crack me up every time I saw it.


That was me, but I replaced it. Someone else has it up now, Meg if you need a good laugh. I think I saw it at the Eric Tamiyasu thread.

Timothy Good.

Haha I must admit the re-enactment did him no quarter.


For me mark Nichols. But also some of the women in the fertility statue segment. To be fair there are people who struggle with infertility problems. But that segment was over the top for me. I just watch that segment and think ok I can be a statue you know.

Haha I must admit the re-enactment did him no quarter.


For me mark Nichols. But also some of the women in the fertility statue segment. To be fair there are people who struggle with infertility problems. But that segment was over the top for me. I just watch that segment and think ok I can be a statue you know.

Those things pop up on the news from time to time-over here it is usually supermarket cashiers who have sat on the same seat.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371863/Hotels-fertility-chair-sees-seven-staff-fall-pregnant-just-18-months.html

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/baby-boom-put-down-to-special-1048747

Noreen Renier

Good GOD. Noreen.

Jake JAKE ...I'm shot

Curtis Croft. He never cared that his girlfriend Jenny Pratt was injured and left brain damaged for life. Is he still rambling on his Battleship account or whatever platform he's using?

For me mark Nichols.

From his interview, Mark Nichols seemed like a guy with a 2nd grade education. So him getting away with his wife's murder is even more frustrating. It makes me think the only thing that has saved him is luck. He seems like the kind of guy you could get to accidentally confess if you just play some basic word games with him.