I remember a part of the Jesse James Hollywood case....after they kidnaped the boy...before he was found partying at that pool.....it said he was bound and gagged even before he was bound and gagged and murdered...any proof on this?

There's going to be a movie on JJ Hollywood. I just hope they don't glorify him!

Well, my understanding is that his actual name won't be used in the film.

I feel the same as you. I'm hopeful that he is not glorified. It is very sickening when that happens. It's as though we're living in a backward society. Unforunately, there are people who have been glorified when they should be vilified. In fact, numerous Hollywood celebrities openly admire Fidel Castro! :mad:

Unforunately, there are people who have been glorified when they should be vilified. In fact, numerous Hollywood celebrities openly admire Fidel Castro! :mad:


Are you kidding me? Really?

Are you kidding me? Really?

No, I'm not kidding. It happens to be true. Besides, I said that they "openly admire Fidel Castro", which means that their pro-Castro stance is no secret. Do you want a list of the celebrities who support or defend Castro? Well, here are some of them: Danny Glover, Oliver Stone, Steven Speilberg, Woody Harrelson, Ed Asner, Leonardo DiCaprio, Dan Rather, and Harry Belafonte.

The general idea that someone such as Castro could get such undeserved support is shocking and nauseating. And if you do enough research, you will discover that Castro isn't the only such case. In fact, Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins named one of their kids "Jack Henry", after the late writer/murderer Jack Henry Abbott! Cases likes these have something in common: Sympathy for the devil.

If the producers of Alpha Dog glorify Jesse James Hollywood, I'll make sure that any money they make from the movie doesn't come from me!

Woww... I usually consider myself pretty well-read on popular culture, but I'm blown away by this. You're right! It's crazy! And I'm with you on the whole glorification of JJ Hollywood... there's nothing glorifying or symphathetic about him.

Woww... I usually consider myself pretty well-read on popular culture, but I'm blown away by this. You're right! It's crazy! And I'm with you on the whole glorification of JJ Hollywood... there's nothing glorifying or symphathetic about him.

It's an eye-opener, huh? Well, it goes to show that, while many people have made positive contributions to pop culture, there are some who are corrupting it.

As a general rule, if you're thinking of watching a movie that is said to be based on a true story, do so with caution. Find as much information as you can on the actual events that the film claims to be based on. While it is not uncommon for certain details, such as names of individuals, to be changed (especially over legal or privacy issues) filmmakers can often twist and distort information, and pass them off as fact (basically rewriting history) in order to promote their personal viewpoints. Undoubtedly this is also an extreme way to make money and/or please the critics. An approach like that can often led to admiring men of vice and degrading men of virtue! :mad:

So if you spot any distortions in such a movie, expose them. Posting a message on a blog site would be very effective. (That's how the forgery in Dan Rather's Bush memos were exposed.) Confront the lies with the facts. As Abraham Lincoln once said: "Truth is generally the best vindication against slander."

While there are people who are damaging pop culture, it is not entirely hopeless (unless you make it hopeless). Aside from what I said a while ago, there is another effective countermeasure against such people: Ignore them! Tune them out. Don't buy their products. If enough of us ignore them long enough, they will have no longer have an audience, and their power will disappear.

I've actually kept up on the "Alpha Dog" thing quite a bit. The producer Nick Cassavetes has gotten quite a powerkeg on his hands here and I'm not sure if it was of his best judgement to make a film like this while the case/trial is still ongoing although in his defense when the film started JJH was still a fugitive from justice.

Now I feel the same way about JJH that most of you do and his capture made me very happy man but Nick Cassavetes is/was caught between a rock and a hard place while making this film. Both the Markowitz family and the Hollywood family wanted the film to be percieved a certain way. The UM on JJH was a totally Markowitz family driven affair and the Hollywood family had no imput on it.

With "Alpha Dog" the Hollywood family apparently threatened to sue Nick Cassavetes is his portrayal of JJH went "too far" (which could mean anywhere from making him look like "big evil" to whatever they deemed was inappropriate) In the end to my knowledge it was apparently decided to base the film on the events but as not to offend either party - Therefore the character based on JJH will probably not be as vilified as on the UM segment but will not be an "anti-hero" or whatever either.

The point of all this is to make a film based on a true event in this case the finished product had to be agreeable to all sides. Its one thing to make an UM segment in hopes of capturing a wanted fugitive and is quite another to make a film about a man (JJH) who has not yet been found guilty by a court of law saying he was involved in the acts that led to his flight. Two totally different animals.

I think Nick Cassavetes did the best he could do with the film considering what he had to work with. I don't think it will be a blockbuster but just one of those films which tries to "clue in" the general public about what goes on behind closed doors so to speak within the drug culture.

Unfortunately I had a scarey run in with this guy. I don't want to be to specific, still kinda freaked. Basically I worked at a tanning salon in the San Fernando Valley approx. 1998 and he was a disgruntled customer. It wasn't even my regular store, I was just helping out. He became enraged over nothing and I refused to serve him. Later he retaliated with obsenities and stripping his clothes. I had no Idea who he was until I saw him on UM later. I called the police to let them know where he tanned but they were already aware of his every move. Glad I don't work there anymore.

stripping?









And can anyone CONFIRM what I said in my first post!!!!!!

I'll be more specific on the "stripping". B. A., Shooting the Moon, what ever you want to call it, I was offended. More importantly it taught me to be cautious with the way I handle people. I tend to speak my mind and not worry about the consequences. Some people are volital and you never know what can set them off.

I've never heard of writer/murderer Abbott...who is he?

Better make that "was". Jack Henry Abbott was a career criminal, and wrote about his prison experience in a book titled "In the Belly of the Beast".

In 1965, while in prison for forgery, he stabbed an inmate to death, and injured another. In 1981, author Norman Mailer successfully lobbied for his parole, but it wasn't long before Abbott was back in prison; six weeks after being paroled, Jack Henry Abbott stabbed a New York waiter to death. This time, Abbott remained in prison until he killed himself in 2002.

it said he was bound and gagged even before he was bound and gagged and murdered...any proof on this?

Apparently, his mother was making him breakfast and he wasn't coming out of his bedroom (he had already been kidnapped at this time). His mother said in the U.M. episode that she repeatedly paged him and got no response, went upstairs and found him missing. The police surmised he wasn't able to page her back because he may have been tied up at Hollwood's home, no actual evidence was mentioned on the show. People later saw him hanging around the home, and seemingly making no effort to escape. Who knows what he was told or threatened with.

The sad thing is, some people do glorify killers, or feel they can rationalize or dissect what a selfish person did. I remember reading an article about Truman Capote's research on the Clutter family murders (he later wrote the book "In Cold Blood" about the case). Apparently he angered many people in the town where the Clutters were killed by saying he could care less about the victims, he was fascinated by the two idiot killers.

The sad thing is, some people do glorify killers, or feel they can rationalize or dissect what a selfish person did.

Sometimes, it's as though someone wants to understand a killer to the point where they want to determine if there was some remote chance that the victim or victims had "deserved" to be murdered. In other words, some people's glorification of a murderer has even gone far enough to vilify the victim(s)! :mad:

Discussing such a topic reminds me of an episode of The Brady Bunch, where Bobby Brady made a hero out of Jesse James. When the truth about the notorious outlaw finally got to Bobby, he learned an important lesson: be careful who you pick for a hero.

I wish everyone would learn that lesson. Unfortunately, however, some people never learn. No wonder why many of today's celebrities are called "Hollywood Idiots!"

While I tend to agree with the many people that prefer watching the "older" segments, this "newer" one involving Jesse James Hollywood always got to me. In fact, the first time I saw the segment, I couldn't get it out of my head all day. It was such a tragic case that could have been avoided at so many different times.

I plan on seeing Alpha Dog when it comes out. I understand they had to re-write the ending of the movie once Hollywood was captured. At the time, I was hopeful that the movie might help in getting Hollywood caught by showing his pictures during the ending credits (or some other time). Needless to say, it will be interesting to see.

I wonder if any charges were filed against Hollywood's father seeing as though it was through HIS help that Jesse was able to elude authorities for 5 years. And here he is threatening to sue the creators of the movie if the "Hollywood character" is profiled too negatively. Boo freaking hoo!

I found a fairly recent article about him, apparently prison life isn't agreeing with him.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/13546692.htm

I'm so glad this guy is in prison... let's just hope they can keep him there. But it sure seems like they're trying.

Nice article, Crystaldawn!

I found a fairly recent article about him, apparently prison life isn't agreeing with him.

Aww! Poor baby! :rolleyes: