John has been gone for over 2 years and it really makes you realize the finality of death since there will be no more John Ritter appearances, TV shows, movies, etc.

And of course there won't be that long awaited 3s Comany reunion that so many of us wanted!

From what I have heard about John, he was not particularly religious. What do all of you know about this?


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Merry Christmas!!

I don't know about him, but it wouldn't surprise me.

There seems to be a trend of anti-religion these days.

Their loss.

Sad.

I don't know about him, but it wouldn't surprise me.

There seems to be a trend of anti-religion these days.

Their loss.

Sad.
I always thought that he was a prod ( meaning not believing in the Blessed Virgin Mary, if I'm correct).( I don't really know the correct spelling for the word.) Anyway, if he wasn't a really religious person, he certainly is one now.

Sorry to ask but...... WHO CARES?

Just like any message board you could have some topics that some people don't care about but we all have the right to post here.

Well John and the cast of 8 Simple Rules would always pray before a taping in front of an audience. And who could forget Stella standing up on the bed after John died saying "I'm talking to heaven, drop him"

huh, I guess he was...I mean, the man said "Lordy, Lordy, Lordy" all the time! :lol: j/k
KristenJ where did you hear that about Stella?

Amy Yasbeck did an interview with Primetime Live I think in Oct. '03 and she was talking about the night John's last episode of 8SR aired and when it was over Stella stood up on the bed and put her arms in the air and said "Drop him". Amy asked what she was doing and Stella said, "I'm talking to Heaven, drop him!" :(

awww that's so sad.... :(

I don't think John was particularly religious, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a spiritual guy. He seemed very well grounded, but I don't see him being a guy that would go to church faithfully.

But who knows? I've never read anything on the subject.

I don't think John was particularly religious, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a spiritual guy. He seemed very well grounded, but I don't see him being a guy that would go to church faithfully.

But who knows? I've never read anything on the subject.
I think with religion, it doesn't matter what religion you are, it's how you treat people when your here. From what I've heard in interveiws about John etc, he seemed to be a very sweet down to earth guy.

yeah, that's all that really matters. he was nice and sweet guy. :D

I think with religion, it doesn't matter what religion you are, it's how you treat people when your here. From what I've heard in interveiws about John etc, he seemed to be a very sweet down to earth guy.[/COLOR][/FONT]

That's what I believe too...John was a real nice person with a big heart, and to me, that's all that matters.

That's all well and good, but it's not enough to get you into heaven.

That's all well and good, but it's not enough to get you into heaven.

This is true, but we do not know what was in John's heart and his relationship with God. Also, the Bible states that 'to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD'. Thus we all go to 'Heaven' at death, but not all will be allowed inside the gates, so to speak.

I have been taught that if a person has never heard the truth regarding God's plan, then they would get another chance during the Millennium. And there are many false teachers in the world, preaching untruths today. God is fair and gives everyone one chance to believe.

So, we will not know what became of John until we pass on and get there ourselves.

This is true, but we do not know what was in John's heart and his relationship with God. Also, the Bible states that 'to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD'. Thus we all go to 'Heaven' at death, but not all will be allowed inside the gates, so to speak.

I have been taught that if a person has never heard the truth regarding God's plan, then they would get another chance during the Millennium. And there are many false teachers in the world, preaching untruths today. God is fair and gives everyone one chance to believe.

So, we will not know what became of John until we pass on and get there ourselves.
True. I believe that when he was unconscience when he was being operated on, ( or when he died), he spoke with God. No one knows what was said between him and God.

All this this talk about whether John got into heaven or not may be a moot point. Here is an another viewpoint:

* There is no proof of the existence of god.

* There is no need of, or use for, a god.

* A good god would be useless if it were not powerful.

* A powerful god would not deserve worship if he were not good.

* There is no all-powerful good god; otherwise there would be no imperfection.

* If this is the best world god can make, the stories of Heaven must be lies.

* History shows that godism is accompanied by ignorance and superstition.

* There has never been such intolerance and persecution as godists have practiced.

* Godism had to be fought when humankind made its successive steps towards science, liberty, and reform.

* Godism was invented in the earliest days of mankind's ignorance. It is incredible that primitive humans guessed wrongly about everything else, but discovered the truth about the origin of life. Everything about which science has discovered the origin was claimed previously to have been the work of a god. Godism recedes when a new fact is discovered. No new discovery ever supports a theistic explanation of anything.

* Godism is consistent with crime, cruelty, envy, hatred, malice, and uncharitableness.

Science validates the Bible more and more as time goes by.

:rolleyes:

Ok wow..this is getting off topic and stuff, so back to the topic. Anyways, I don't have a clue if John is religious or not. I never heard of him talk about it or anything, but I've read in interviews with Amy that John lived life to the fullest. Here's a quote I found from an interview with Amy.

"John was such a proponent of life springing up through the cracks in the sidewalk, like a flower popping up, and he would always point that out to her, how life goes on and continues."

And here's another quote from Amy..

"John taught us a lesson every day. He'd walk down the sidewalk, and instead of just looking at the nicely manicured bushes in our neighborhood, he'd point out the weed growing up through the sidewalk, and he'd say, "That's life. That's what life does. You put the cement over it, you do anything you can, and life always comes back." You go on with your life, like a weed popping up through the crack in the sidewalk. You can't lie down and go, "My life is over too" as much as you may feel like doing that-which I do a little bit every day."

I don't know if that answers the question, but I guess it just gives you an idea maybe. :)

Science validates the Bible more and more as time goes by.

There is NOTHING in the bible or any other religious book that gives even a shred of actual evidence that life goes on after we die.

When a person dies, there is a corpse that people either bury or burn. What evidence can anyone show that it goes anywhere else??? There is no evidence. Also, people talk about souls and spirits but no one can show they even exist.

What evidence can anyone show that it goes anywhere else??? There is no evidence.

True and very well said. So far no-one has returned from the dead, the people who were near death were not brain dead so what they experienced most likely has to do with what is going on in your brain during that time but even if that isn't true and our life is over with death, the idea of going through this phase of wonderful feelings makes a good end to a hopefully wonderful life. That's more important I think.

Also, those so-called tolerant Christians, I'm getting tired of some of them. They think they are worth more than any other non-Christians, like if you are not one of us and pray each and every day you will not be allowed into heaven. What a nonsense. I'm sure there is something superior, not sure what exactly it is but I think that what Gods wants most, if there is one, is that we all try to get along with each other, show love and most of all respect.

To me people like doctors without borders, people who work for charitable organizations have achieved much more in their lives, they've actually helped others in need. So if there is a paradise, these are the people who should go in first cause they are the real 'heroes' not the ones who think they are worth more just by going to church and praying.

So even if John wasn't a religious person what difference does it make? He obviously was a very kind person and made a lot of people very happy. He had many friends, many people shared fond memories of him that's what makes a person special, if they are remembered that well even after their death and I think this is what makes him an 'angel'.

It would make more sense to live your life as if there was a God and to die and find out that there wasn't than to live your life as if there wasn't a God and find out that there is. In other words, you have nothing to lose, and everything to gain, by believing.

All this this talk about whether John got into heaven or not may be a moot point. Here is an another viewpoint:

* There is no proof of the existence of god.

* There is no need of, or use for, a god.

* A good god would be useless if it were not powerful.

* A powerful god would not deserve worship if he were not good.

* There is no all-powerful good god; otherwise there would be no imperfection.

* If this is the best world god can make, the stories of Heaven must be lies.

* History shows that godism is accompanied by ignorance and superstition.

* There has never been such intolerance and persecution as godists have practiced.

* Godism had to be fought when humankind made its successive steps towards science, liberty, and reform.

* Godism was invented in the earliest days of mankind's ignorance. It is incredible that primitive humans guessed wrongly about everything else, but discovered the truth about the origin of life. Everything about which science has discovered the origin was claimed previously to have been the work of a god. Godism recedes when a new fact is discovered. No new discovery ever supports a theistic explanation of anything.

* Godism is consistent with crime, cruelty, envy, hatred, malice, and uncharitableness.
If this is your opinion, that is really sad.

There seems to be a trend of anti-religion these days.

Their loss.

Sad.

I TOTALLY agree!!!!!!!!!!!!







It would make more sense to live your life as if there was a God and to die and find out that there wasn't than to live your life as if there wasn't a God and find out that there is. In other words, you have nothing to lose, and everything to gain, by believing.


AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If this is your opinion, that is really sad.

Those are a list of FACTS so they are not my opinion. No one in the world can refute anything in that list since that is the REAL TRUTH unlike all the different and contradictory religious beliefs in the world which have no evidence whatsoever to support it and is nothing but conjecture and speculation.

Those are a list of FACTS so they are not my opinion. No one in the world can refute anything in that list since that is the REAL TRUTH unlike all the different and contradictory religious beliefs in the world which have no evidence whatsoever to support it and is nothing but conjecture and speculation.
Than again, maybe he was an atheist. Although, he never did talk about what religion he was. It really all depends on the parents and how they raised him. If they were Catholic, etc, than they raise them up with Cahtolic values(sorry if the spelling is wrong).But than again, a lot of people are raised Catholic, and don't really pratice their religion. Everyone's different.

It would make more sense to live your life as if there was a God and to die and find out that there wasn't than to live your life as if there wasn't a God and find out that there is. In other words, you have nothing to lose, and everything to gain, by believing.

I totally agree with you on that! That's actually something I tell people alot. It's better to live life serving God and die to find out there is no God, than it is to live denying God and die and go to hell. You and I have a lot in common here. :)

Those are a list of FACTS so they are not my opinion. No one in the world can refute anything in that list since that is the REAL TRUTH unlike all the different and contradictory religious beliefs in the world which have no evidence whatsoever to support it and is nothing but conjecture and speculation.

Science can neither prove NOR disprove that God exists, so don't try and say it can. God is beyond man's understanding.

It's better to live life serving God and die to find out there is no God, than it is to live denying God and die and go to hell.

That is exactly the attitude I was talking about...why would anyone who prefers not to believe in God go to hell...what a rude thing to say...nothing's wrong with people believing in God but I don't see my life purpose doing this all the time, it makes more sense helping people in need, such as those in Africa, people you can actually see and feel. That's my opinion.

If there is no God then there can't be a heaven or a hell. So why is that a rude thing to say? Faith is believing in something that you can't see or touch. We can't see the air around us, but we know it is there.

John 14:16 says: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

That being said I do help others thru my church. Every weekend the church I belong to goes out into the community and feeds the homeless. We ask for nothing and expect nothing in return. I am showing my love for God to these people. If some choose not to accept that, then so be it.

This summer we are taking a trip to Africa. It is a church sponsored trip that I am looking forward to. Sorry, but I choose to respect your opinion, please respect mine.....

It is a rude thing to say because by saying that people who don't serve God and deny him will go to hell this person makes me look like I'm worth less just because I prefer not to believe in God. I have no problem with religious people, not at all, as long as they take me for who I am, what I believe in and what I stand for. So if I say I don't believe in God or anything related, I expect from people to say ok I disagree with you but that's your opinion. Remarks such as people who don't believe/serve God will go to hell, if you're a good Christian your dog/cat will go to heaven (otherwise I suppose they would go to hell) make me shake my head and wonder what has happened to this world where people are being criticized just for being different.

It is a rude thing to say because by saying that people who don't serve God and deny him will go to hell this person makes me look like I'm worth less just because I prefer not to believe in God. I have no problem with religious people, not at all, as long as they take me for who I am, what I believe in and what I stand for. So if I say I don't believe in God or anything related, I expect from people to say ok I disagree with you but that's your opinion. Remarks such as people who don't believe/serve God will go to hell, if you're a good Christian your dog/cat will go to heaven (otherwise I suppose they would go to hell) make me shake my head and wonder what has happened to this world where people are being criticized just for being different.

I don't think that you are worthless. I have a few friends that are like you. I do my best to love them and let them see that no matter what they are valued and a wonderful part of my life. We can agree to disagree on the whole matter, but I still live my life for God and maybe, just maybe my friend will look at me and say "Hey, maybe there is something to this after all." I don't force anyone to believe as I do, I just love them and hope that one day they will ask me to tell them about my loving and wonderful Lord Jesus. I feel that it is better to use honey than vinegar.

I did have to laugh at the dog/cat question though. Can you believe that I never actually thought about that? LOL!!

Michelle

Well, Michelle, that's nice...I have a good friend who's a Christian and we laugh a lot and we share almost the same interests...so I'd be the last person to say all Christians are bad...but I've had some real bad experience with Christians in the past...especially those who don't accept other people because they are 'different' and that's not what God wants they say. That's a line that does not go that well with me...I had a friend, a Christian, who said very bad things about gays and I clearly stated my point of view and I have a very good co-worker who's a Lesbian and she's a great person and I don't think she's worth less..probably twice as much worth and sweet as any straight person.

Anyway, there's one thing we have in common though, Michelle, we both love Three's Company and Moonlighting..you're a talented fan fiction writer too, read your latest story on the Moonlighting board.

And about the dog/cat thing, yes someone posted that on a site where you can post online pet memorials...I thought that was really rude...no matter what this person's belief is, she is saddened about the loss of a dear fluffy friend, and I bet she was a wonderful mommy to the dog and will go to heaven (if there is one) just for that, no matter what she believes in.

Well, Michelle, that's nice...I have a good friend who's a Christian and we laugh a lot and we share almost the same interests...so I'd be the last person to say all Christians are bad...but I've had some real bad experience with Christians in the past...especially those who don't accept other people because they are 'different' and that's not what God wants they say. That's a line that does not go that well with me...I had a friend, a Christian, who said very bad things about gays and I clearly stated my point of view and I have a very good co-worker who's a Lesbian and she's a great person and I don't think she's worth less..probably twice as much worth and sweet as any straight person.

Anyway, there's one thing we have in common though, Michelle, we both love Three's Company and Moonlighting..you're a talented fan fiction writer too, read your latest story on the Moonlighting board.

And about the dog/cat thing, yes someone posted that on a site where you can post online pet memorials...I thought that was really rude...no matter what this person's belief is, she is saddened about the loss of a dear fluffy friend, and I bet she was a wonderful mommy to the dog and will go to heaven (if there is one) just for that, no matter what she believes in.
I myself am an animal lover too. I have a long haired chuchawai(sorry if the spelling's wrong). And on the subject of religion, I respect any religion as long as it doesn't believe in killing other people for believeing in something different. In other words, like not thinking the same as they do, say, what they wear,etc. That's what makes the world interesting. Eveyone is different.

I don't think that you are worthless. I have a few friends that are like you. I do my best to love them and let them see that no matter what they are valued and a wonderful part of my life. We can agree to disagree on the whole matter, but I still live my life for God and maybe, just maybe my friend will look at me and say "Hey, maybe there is something to this after all." I don't force anyone to believe as I do, I just love them and hope that one day they will ask me to tell them about my loving and wonderful Lord Jesus. I feel that it is better to use honey than vinegar.

I did have to laugh at the dog/cat question though. Can you believe that I never actually thought about that? LOL!!

Michelle
I agree with what you said Michelle. God looks at everyone as each his own child(individual)(sorry again if the spelling is wrong). I don't force religion on anyone. If someone should ask my opinion, on it, I'll tell them my opinion.

I'm sorry BSDDomi if you thought I was being rude to you, that was not my intent. I simply stated what I believe. Those who are not saved will not go to heaven, that's in the Bible, but that does not mean that I think people who are not saved are less. In fact, I try to spend more time loving them than I do my Christian friends. I don't push my religion on others.

Also, I LOVE animals, but I've talked to many people who say that our pets don't go to heaven or hell because they have no soul. I do believe that God will have animals in heaven, it just may not be our pets.

I do believe that God will have animals in heaven, it just may not be our pets.

There are references to animals in Heaven. In referrece to the future from Isaiah Ch 11:

11:6: The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
11:7: And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
11:8: And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
11:9: They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

There are references to animals in Heaven. In referrece to the future from Isaiah Ch 11:

11:6: The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
11:7: And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
11:8: And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
11:9: They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Exactly, that's why I believe that there are animals in heaven, just not necessarily your pets.

Science can neither prove NOR disprove that God exists, so don't try and say it can. God is beyond man's understanding.

When someone dies you cannot wake them up and they show NO signs of life. They are either buried or cremated. Those are FACTS.

Where are ANY facts to show that ANYONE is still alive after death?? Can anyone show us heaven?? NO. Has ANYONE returned from the dead to show us there is life after death?? NO.

The burden of proof is on the BELIEVER to show that a certain process or thing exists. In this case the process or thing is afterlife and god. No believer will EVER be able to meet that burden.

When someone dies you cannot wake them up and they show NO signs of life. They are either buried or cremated. Those are FACTS.

Where are ANY facts to show that ANYONE is still alive after death?? Can anyone show us heaven?? NO. Has ANYONE returned from the dead to show us there is life after death?? NO.

The burden of proof is on the BELIEVER to show that a certain process or thing exists. In this case the process or thing is afterlife and god. No believer will EVER be able to meet that burden.
That is where faith comes in. Believeing in something you can't see.

John has been gone for over 2 years and it really makes you realize the finality of death since there will be no more John Ritter appearances, TV shows, movies, etc.

And of course there won't be that long awaited 3s Comany reunion that so many of us wanted!

Please LET IT GO! John Ritter made it clear several times he would never play Jack in a Three's Company reunion even though the other cast members agreed to. John knew what a garbage role Jack Tripper was. It's quite fitting that John is best-known for Eight Simple Rules, and NOT Three's Company.

There are references to animals in Heaven. In referrece to the future from Isaiah Ch 11:

11:6: The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
11:7: And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
11:8: And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
11:9: They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

This religious crap has NO PLACE here. I am going to report you.

raise them up with Cahtolic values(sorry if the spelling is wrong

Yeah. The word Catholic is SO hard to spell. :rolleyes: Moron.

Just like any message board you could have some topics that some people don't care about but we all have the right to post here.

That's where you're wrong. You DO NOT have a right to post here. It is a privilege, not a right.

Science validates the Bible more and more as time goes by.

Our increased understanding of natural phenomena and history is often in direct odds with the Bible. The Bible serves as a spiritual guide to many, but it is a poor science or history book. Many, even in the church hierarchy, consider the Bible to be full of theological allegories rather than literal history or science in light of conflicting evidence.


It would make more sense to live your life as if there was a God and to die and find out that there wasn't than to live your life as if there wasn't a God and find out that there is. In other words, you have nothing to lose, and everything to gain, by believing.

This isn't very rational. There are countless divine beliefs and concepts, you can't be sure you have picked the right one. What if Allah or the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the true god? Furthermore, with your rational, we should continue to believe in Santa Claus because we have nothing to lose and everything to gain by believing.


Faith is believing in something that you can't see or touch. We can't see the air around us, but we know it is there.

But there is evidence for the existence of air. We even know that it's composition is made up of mostly nitrogen and oxygen with carbon dioxide and other gases. On the other hand, there is no evidence whatsoever of the existence of a divine power. If there were, the belief in it's existence wouldn't be called faith.


Those who are not saved will not go to heaven, that's in the Bible, but that does not mean that I think people who are not saved are less.

But can't you see how some view this as paternalistic and offensive? How would you react to someone who steadfastly believes just because you don't believe in the same things he does, you deserve to be punished forever, be it being disallowed from heaven or suffering eternally in hell? And what's ironic is that although he thinks you don't warrant eternal happiness as he does, he doesn't think any less of you.


I respect any religion as long as it doesn't believe in killing other people for believeing in something different. In other words, like not thinking the same as they do, say, what they wear,etc.

The Bible, especially the Old Testament, is incredibly intolerant:

Exodus 23:24 Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.

Here's 526 more instances of intolerance in the Bible:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html


We certainly are on a tangent here. Getting back to the OP, I think we can reach a consensus that John Ritter, no matter how religious, was one of the good guys and will continue to be missed.

Our increased understanding of natural phenomena and history is often in direct odds with the Bible. The Bible serves as a spiritual guide to many, but it is a poor science or history book. Many, even in the church hierarchy, consider the Bible to be full of theological allegories rather than literal history or science in light of conflicting evidence.




This isn't very rational. There are countless divine beliefs and concepts, you can't be sure you have picked the right one. What if Allah or the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the true god? Furthermore, with your rational, we should continue to believe in Santa Claus because we have nothing to lose and everything to gain by believing.




But there is evidence for the existence of air. We even know that it's composition is made up of mostly nitrogen and oxygen with carbon dioxide and other gases. On the other hand, there is no evidence whatsoever of the existence of a divine power. If there were, the belief in it's existence wouldn't be called faith.




But can't you see how some view this as paternalistic and offensive? How would you react to someone who steadfastly believes just because you don't believe in the same things he does, you deserve to be punished forever, be it being disallowed from heaven or suffering eternally in hell? And what's ironic is that although he thinks you don't warrant eternal happiness as he does, he doesn't think any less of you.




The Bible, especially the Old Testament, is incredibly intolerant:

Exodus 23:24 Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.

Here's 526 more instances of intolerance in the Bible:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html


We certainly are on a tangent here. Getting back to the OP, I think we can reach a consensus that John Ritter, no matter how religious, was one of the good guys and will continue to be missed.

Very true. I'm sure that whatever mistakes that he made when he was here, he has already been accounted for them. As to we all will be accounted for ours(myself included.). When our time comes.