problem with a Disc or Tape? "Well it must be your player because it worked fine on my Player"


Why would a trader make that statement instead of trying to find out if they need to copy on a different brand disc or if there was a bad burn? This statement tell me the trader doesn't give a sh*T as long as they got what they wanted. I would never tell any trader anything like that because I want everything I send out to be atchable/enjoyable. A trader recently said this to me, a guy a been trading with for 2 years and I was really bothered by this statement because I thought we were friends. I never expected a statement like that from a guy I been trading with for so long. Anyone else agree that a trader should never make this statement?

This issue wouldn't come up so frequently if people stopped using crap media and started using higher quality blank dvds.

It happens. A couple of months back I sent some discs that wouldn't play for me to Agent 13 and she had no problems with them. No one can predict media-player compatibility so get used to it, it will happen again. Luckily the solution is simple: put the disc into your computer's drive, copy the files and burn them onto media you know your player likes. Obviously if the disc won't copy either, then you have a bad burn and will need to go back to the source to get it again. But assuming he told you the truth when he said it played for him, chances are high it will copy fine for you and problem solved.

It happens. A couple of months back I sent some discs that wouldn't play for me to Agent 13 and she had no problems with them. No one can predict media-player compatibility so get used to it, it will happen again. Luckily the solution is simple: put the disc into your computer's drive, copy the files and burn them onto media you know your player likes. Obviously if the disc won't copy either, then you have a bad burn and will need to go back to the source to get it again. But assuming he told you the truth when he said it played for him, chances are high it will copy fine for you and problem solved.



Doesn't matter if they played for him, he has to find out a solution for the trade to be complete. So hearing the statement-"It's Your Player" tells me that I should go and buy a NEW DVD PLAYER because they worked fine for me. That's the vibe it gives off

i just thought of an idea that could work for situations like these before someone makes a trade find out what brands of discs the other persons player is compatable with. what they prefer etc. if you traded with this person before and they used to same discs as before and those work then i dont see why they wouldnt work with a different show.

You answered it in a nutshell. Problem is some only have a duplicator and no burner in their computer. This gives them one chance and one chance only. I have burners in 3 computers and no duplicators. I wish I had a penny for each time I put a disk in one computer and it would not copy with Nero, could not copy the video file to the hard drive or decrypter spit it out. Unrecoverable error, cycle redunancy error, everything. Put it in another machine and it read and copied perfectly. At least 50 percent of the time I can save it this way. Decrypter is a GOD send. Many times it takes 20 or 30 retries and finally reads it. Sometimes you take the disk out, run it thru lukewarm water, dab it with a tissue, dabbing inside out and then it reads. If you just have a duplicator you have but one chance and many, many times it's not enough. I have had it fail on three machines, go to my friend and bingo he reads it. Point is when someone says it plays for me and it maybe is your equipment, it just might be. You must have two sources to work form.


Harvey

In all honesty sometimes it is our individual equiptment.

As dvds progress, things like SPEED, and FORMATTING change.

Some of the dvds I used to brun at 1 x (oh the olden days) Don't play on my oldest player.

Even my pc won't reburn them.

Where as some of my newer, wont play on my first dvd player.
Technology and equipment does make a difference and it does have its hand in things.

TO be told "Oh it isn't me, things worked fine here" doen'st fix anything, and it doen'st help.
But if one finds he is running into the problem a lot- maybe he has to consider spending the money on a new player.

I talked to someone recently who didn't know they COULD clean their dvd laser - and once they had, most of their problems were eliminated.
ANother who didn't know you could burn at a lower speed.

Sometimes you have to break down the issues.

I myself about a year ago, found 4 out of 5 of mys ummer trades, stuttered, didn't play. ANd I KNEW it wasnt' the fault of all 4 traders.
I was using an APEX brand model dvd player.
Turns out they simply wont play 4x discs.
Dunno why. Different brands, different shows. It won't play them.
I ended up out of curiousity bringing them to my mom's and sitting there for 4 hours putting them all in, start to finish.

Went to Amazon, bought that player for 29.55 and since then, not a problem.
It was my player- and unfortunately I had complained to the first sender, and made them replace 11 discs before finding out.

There are many steps to making a dvd as well as good playback, sometimes we do have to break it down. And sometimes, we do have to replace things.

I wouldn't say self doubt is the way to go, but since player hsave come down in price, it might be worth checking out.

There are some video stores here that rent dvd players, might be a good investment, or even a pawn shop- I have asked to use things for a bit, before making a decision.

Do I think someone shoudl falt out say "hey its you not me" No.
I think it shoudl be addressed, as to where the problem is and then problem solved- becuase it coudl be you. it oculd be him, hell it could be HIS in YOURS.
Meaning player compatiability.

It gets so chaotic.

Guess what it comes down to- Don't let them assume its your fault-
But, don't assume it isn't either.

In all honesty sometimes it is our individual equiptment.

As dvds progress, things like SPEED, and FORMATTING change.

Some of the dvds I used to brun at 1 x (oh the olden days) Don't play on my oldest player.

Even my pc won't reburn them.

Where as some of my newer, wont play on my first dvd player.
Technology and equipment does make a difference and it does have its hand in things.

TO be told "Oh it isn't me, things worked fine here" doen'st fix anything, and it doen'st help.
But if one finds he is running into the problem a lot- maybe he has to consider spending the money on a new player.

I talked to someone recently who didn't know they COULD clean their dvd laser - and once they had, most of their problems were eliminated.
ANother who didn't know you could burn at a lower speed.

Sometimes you have to break down the issues.

I myself about a year ago, found 4 out of 5 of mys ummer trades, stuttered, didn't play. ANd I KNEW it wasnt' the fault of all 4 traders.
I was using an APEX brand model dvd player.
Turns out they simply wont play 4x discs.
Dunno why. Different brands, different shows. It won't play them.
I ended up out of curiousity bringing them to my mom's and sitting there for 4 hours putting them all in, start to finish.

Went to Amazon, bought that player for 29.55 and since then, not a problem.
It was my player- and unfortunately I had complained to the first sender, and made them replace 11 discs before finding out.

There are many steps to making a dvd as well as good playback, sometimes we do have to break it down. And sometimes, we do have to replace things.

I wouldn't say self doubt is the way to go, but since player hsave come down in price, it might be worth checking out.

There are some video stores here that rent dvd players, might be a good investment, or even a pawn shop- I have asked to use things for a bit, before making a decision.

Do I think someone shoudl falt out say "hey its you not me" No.
I think it shoudl be addressed, as to where the problem is and then problem solved- becuase it coudl be you. it oculd be him, hell it could be HIS in YOURS.
Meaning player compatiability.

It gets so chaotic.

Guess what it comes down to- Don't let them assume its your fault-
But, don't assume it isn't either.



You brung up a interesting point. Maybe a disc needs to be burnt at a lower speed. And all I want is for a trader to address the issue and not tell me to invest in another DVD player

OK I work with high tech electronic equipment for a living
I deal with issues like this a lot

and my recommendation is that EVERY trader who deals with dvds, needs to have AT LEAST 2 players and a computer to avoid such issues ----
here is why

myself, I have about 7 dvd players at home, counting recorders, and also a dvd drive on the computer

OFTEN i get discs that will not play properly on 1 or more of the players, SOME DISCS will NOT EVEN LOAD on the Apex but will play perfect on the Sanyo, some discs wont play properly on the PANASONIC (lock up or such) BUT they play perfect on another player

When I have a problem disc, I TEST IS ON ALL MY PLAYERS and computer drive BEFORE i complain to the person I got it from, BECAUSE
if the disc will play on 1 player at all that i have then the disc IS NOT DEFECTIVE, it just has compatibility issues, there is no NATIONWIDE STANDARD for dvd players, and compatibility issues do exist, between brands of discs, speeds, and individual players,
THAT IS WHY ALL TRADERS NEED TO HAVE ACCESS to more than 1 player, b/c just b/c a disc wont play on your machine, it very well might be your machine, and to be honest 99% of the time it IS your machine

THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOUR MACHINE is bad, just that is has issues with certain discs

Yes, some machines do not do as well with certain speeds, BUT YOU CAN ALMOST ALWAYS DOWNLOAD a firmware update on a computer, burn to a disc and fix that problem yourself.....

Yes, some machines dont like some brands of discs, and you should let the other party know if thats the case.

ALSO u need to clean your lasers fairly frequently, you can go to ebay and buy a dvd cleaner for like $5. I have found that 3/4 of people NEVER CLEAN THEM, and this can cause jumping and skipping, and these problems are 10 times more likely to happen with BURNED DVDS than store bought./

IF A DISC IS BAD, its bad NO MATTER WHAT, i u test it on 10 machines and it plays on 1, then the disc is JUST FINE. Even good players, have issues. I have all types from a $400 panasonic dvd player down to a walmart cheapo $40 sanyo.... sometimes the $400 wont play a disc and the cheapo will...

It is just how the ball bounces, so to avoid issues, I think all traders need to have more than 1 dvd player to test on, OR AT LEAST Must have a computer or a friend or neighbor they can test on. If you have a computer, u can reburn the disc to another brand or speed and avoid all problems.

Yes, bad burns do happen, and yes that is a fact of life, but more often than not, its simply a compatibility issue that can be fixed yourself, if you have the right equipment.

I am just putting the info out there, I work with electronics on a daily basis. I get bad discs in trade sometime, and I always try to test it on other players and if possible reburn and fix it myself, Before I tell the sender that the disc is bad.

BY THE WAY, anyone who wants leftover turkey and ham, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, as I have a ton! :wave:

PS if your dvd player is having an issue
and u dont want to invest in another

go online and see if you can get a FIRMWARE UPDATE for your model
u can download for free and burn to a disc, and some places will mail u a disc for a low price if u need it
pop it in and update

OR you can have a friend take the dvd home and test it and see

again this is NOT directed just at retrotv.... because this issue is a LEGIT ISSUE and to be honest, when i first switched to dvd trading, i have lots of compatibility issues and had to learn all the ins and outs and learn what discs and speeds work with what players and things like that

im just putting out the info so that we can all learn and make it a better trading community with less issues and headaches for all of us

:happyface :happyface :happyface

One last one

if all else fails, put it on vhs and send it that way

its a big pain, yes
but that is what retro and i worked out for our compatibility issue

i am sending him the shows he wanted on vhs tapes, so that way we are both happy

sometimes it is better just to not worry about where the problem lies and simply try to find out what can be done to make everyone happy!

OK I work with high tech electronic equipment for a living
I deal with issues like this a lot

and my recommendation is that EVERY trader who deals with dvds, needs to have AT LEAST 2 players and a computer to avoid such issues ----
here is why

myself, I have about 7 dvd players at home, counting recorders, and also a dvd drive on the computer

OFTEN i get discs that will not play properly on 1 or more of the players, SOME DISCS will NOT EVEN LOAD on the Apex but will play perfect on the Sanyo, some discs wont play properly on the PANASONIC (lock up or such) BUT they play perfect on another player

When I have a problem disc, I TEST IS ON ALL MY PLAYERS and computer drive BEFORE i complain to the person I got it from, BECAUSE
if the disc will play on 1 player at all that i have then the disc IS NOT DEFECTIVE, it just has compatibility issues, there is no NATIONWIDE STANDARD for dvd players, and compatibility issues do exist, between brands of discs, speeds, and individual players,
THAT IS WHY ALL TRADERS NEED TO HAVE ACCESS to more than 1 player, b/c just b/c a disc wont play on your machine, it very well might be your machine, and to be honest 99% of the time it IS your machine

THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOUR MACHINE is bad, just that is has issues with certain discs

Yes, some machines do not do as well with certain speeds, BUT YOU CAN ALMOST ALWAYS DOWNLOAD a firmware update on a computer, burn to a disc and fix that problem yourself.....

Yes, some machines dont like some brands of discs, and you should let the other party know if thats the case.

ALSO u need to clean your lasers fairly frequently, you can go to ebay and buy a dvd cleaner for like $5. I have found that 3/4 of people NEVER CLEAN THEM, and this can cause jumping and skipping, and these problems are 10 times more likely to happen with BURNED DVDS than store bought./

IF A DISC IS BAD, its bad NO MATTER WHAT, i u test it on 10 machines and it plays on 1, then the disc is JUST FINE. Even good players, have issues. I have all types from a $400 panasonic dvd player down to a walmart cheapo $40 sanyo.... sometimes the $400 wont play a disc and the cheapo will...

It is just how the ball bounces, so to avoid issues, I think all traders need to have more than 1 dvd player to test on, OR AT LEAST Must have a computer or a friend or neighbor they can test on. If you have a computer, u can reburn the disc to another brand or speed and avoid all problems.

Yes, bad burns do happen, and yes that is a fact of life, but more often than not, its simply a compatibility issue that can be fixed yourself, if you have the right equipment.

I am just putting the info out there, I work with electronics on a daily basis. I get bad discs in trade sometime, and I always try to test it on other players and if possible reburn and fix it myself, Before I tell the sender that the disc is bad.

BY THE WAY, anyone who wants leftover turkey and ham, PLEASE LET ME KNOW, as I have a ton! :wave:



All that is true but a trader should still HELP the person resolve the issue. Not saying it's the traders fault but it's very rude to tell someone-"well I suggest you invest in another DVD Player" instead of saying-Ok let me see what I can do. I never go through this on the Sports Trading Board. I received a bad disc over the weekend and when I told the guy I had problems with freeezing, he didn't hesistant to help me which is what a good trader does. Someone complain to me about a problem and I reaaranged my entire VHS and DVD setup just so I could fix the problem.

Saying the trader should help resolve the problem is all well and good. But what is the person doing to resolve the problem.? Saying "it don't work", means squat. Has the person tried it it one more then one device, done something to try to rectify the problem?, or just says"it don't work, what are you going to do about it? Many people take one shot and expect the other party to do everything. I have seen pepole say after a trade of say 12 disks say, " 5 don't work, send me 5 more". To me five not working tells me there is a problem at your end but some don't want to hear it.

Harvey

Saying the trader should help resolve the problem is all well and good. But what is the person doing to resolve the problem.? Saying "it don't work", means squat. Has the person tried it it one more then one device, done something to try to rectify the problem?, or just says"it don't work, what are you going to do about it? Many people take one shot and expect the other party to do everything. I have seen pepole say after a trade of say 12 disks say, " 5 don't work, send me 5 more". To me five not working tells me there is a problem at your end but some don't want to hear it.

Harvey



It's not COMPLAINING to the trader, It's only bringing to his attention that I'm unable to watch the show and do u think he can help me find out why. So it's not about WHO THE BAME, it's the Technology and I just try and see if we both can work together to resolve it.

I agree the person who sent the discs that cannot work on the other persons player should try to work with you to resolve

BUT Harvey is right also

the person who receives the discs should do everything in their power also
WHICH to me means, they should have more than 1 dvd player to test them on, or a computer with a dvd drive

I mean, someone might have a dvd player that has a problem playing certain discs, suppose that person and me do a trade for 200 discs and the receiver cant get them to play right on HIS machine, BUT the 200 discs are all fine, what makes more sense?--- should I have to redo all 200 discs BECAUSE they dont have a 2nd player? or should the other person run down to WAL MART and buy a $40 SANYO that WILL play them?? It goes both ways

Both parties need to do what it takes to make it better.... and YES, i have found that the $40 cheapo SANYO from walmart, will play ALMOST ALL DISCS WITH NO PROBLEMS at all

Look at is this way---- Suppose I had an old 1974 2 head, vhs player
and someone sent me vhs tapes that are recorded on a 4 head player, THERE MIGHT BE A PROBLEM with tracking or sound crackles, as I have seen it happy.... should the person who sent the video tapes be to blame b/c the other person only has 1 vhs player?

I mean to me, If the disc is defective that is one thing, BUT if it just doesn't work on your player that is another..... So both sides need to be willing to do what it takes.... and yes, sometimes that does mean that the other party needs to buy a new player. I have 1 dvd player that is less than a year old, BUT IT WILL NOT READ TAIYO discs at all, NOT A SINGLE ONE! It is a very good player and costs like $200, but it wont read those discs for some reason....Now these T Y discs are the top of the line, best dvd-rs u can buy, and if I only had 1 player and it was that player, then I might think that every trader who sent me TAIYO discs, sent me junk, when in fact, it would be my players fault. The sender should try to make it right to the receiver, but sometimes it would better in the long run, for the receiver to get another player or computer, so that the problem doesn't keep popping up.....
BECAUSE if you have a dvd player that has problems reading SOME discs,
IT IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE, b/c the technology advances SO FAST these days, that within 6 months or a year, that player will most likely have trouble playing more and more and more discs.....

I agree the person who sent the discs that cannot work on the other persons player should try to work with you to resolve

BUT Harvey is right also

the person who receives the discs should do everything in their power also
WHICH to me means, they should have more than 1 dvd player to test them on, or a computer with a dvd drive

I mean, someone might have a dvd player that has a problem playing certain discs, suppose that person and me do a trade for 200 discs and the receiver cant get them to play right on HIS machine, BUT the 200 discs are all fine, what makes more sense?--- should I have to redo all 200 discs BECAUSE they dont have a 2nd player? or should the other person run down to WAL MART and buy a $40 SANYO that WILL play them?? It goes both ways

Both parties need to do what it takes to make it better.... and YES, i have found that the $40 cheapo SANYO from walmart, will play ALMOST ALL DISCS WITH NO PROBLEMS at all

Look at is this way---- Suppose I had an old 1974 2 head, vhs player
and someone sent me vhs tapes that are recorded on a 4 head player, THERE MIGHT BE A PROBLEM with tracking or sound crackles, as I have seen it happy.... should the person who sent the video tapes be to blame b/c the other person only has 1 vhs player?

I mean to me, If the disc is defective that is one thing, BUT if it just doesn't work on your player that is another..... So both sides need to be willing to do what it takes.... and yes, sometimes that does mean that the other party needs to buy a new player. I have 1 dvd player that is less than a year old, BUT IT WILL NOT READ TAIYO discs at all, NOT A SINGLE ONE! It is a very good player and costs like $200, but it wont read those discs for some reason....Now these T Y discs are the top of the line, best dvd-rs u can buy, and if I only had 1 player and it was that player, then I might think that every trader who sent me TAIYO discs, sent me junk, when in fact, it would be my players fault. The sender should try to make it right to the receiver, but sometimes it would better in the long run, for the receiver to get another player or computer, so that the problem doesn't keep popping up.....
BECAUSE if you have a dvd player that has problems reading SOME discs,
IT IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE, b/c the technology advances SO FAST these days, that within 6 months or a year, that player will most likely have trouble playing more and more and more discs.....



First of all no one should be doing a 200 Disc Trade-LOL

We all know your feelings on large trades, and that is certainly your choice not to do them, but the overwhelming majority of dvd traders do particiapte in large trades, to each his own...

but the main point remains the same, technology advances by leaps and bounds, right not most dvd burners/dupers max out at 16X speed, by the end of next year 16X will be outdated, and if someone has a player with issues on playing discs today, then in 6 months or a year, that same player is going to be having discs playing MOST discs being burnt

just a year ago, most people were burning on 4 X discs, now you can barely find 4 X discs for sale ANYPLACE

most traders I know have to update their equipment at least once or twice a year to stay on top of things, thats just the nature of the beast :wave:

i deal with as many different dvd people as anyone

i have found that useing top quality media--in my experience

solves most of the problems before they happen

then another thing i do is not use a crap burner, i have gone to all nec 3520 and 3540 models

i threw away the hp i had

i stopped useing the crap pioneer 107 thats in my sony vaio

this also helped

then there are still some people who have problems

and it is in most cases their player

i used to tell people to send them back, and that just became a postal cost circuis

since i could play aboiut 99% of them on my philips 642 player

so no sir, i would not keep sending out set after set to replace the perfectly good one they already have, just becuase their player was the problem

in this hobby, its part of the persons responsibility to have some lnowledge and some equipment to deal with what comes in

you just cant sit back and cry when things dont jump in the machine and run

there needs to be some effort and expense put forth

i have cut off traders and paying customers alike, that kept haveing self impossed problems

hint---go on ebay---look for a philips 642 that has the old chip in it--it will be region free, will play pal, and will play almost anything thats shoved into it

for about $80 shipped

its far cheaper than the hard feelings your getting now

this is the second such problem this week that you have had

on a different note

harvey refered to the same problem on the copy end

some folks think a duplicator solves allt he problems

this is the same thing he was talking about most things dulpicate

some need to be done on a different drive

some in the computer

some times i use 5 different programs, before i get one to roll

this is part of the game we choose to get involved in

it takes investment in software, in drives, in knowledge, and in time

We all know your feelings on large trades, and that is certainly your choice not to do them, but the overwhelming majority of dvd traders do particiapte in large trades, to each his own...

but the main point remains the same, technology advances by leaps and bounds, right not most dvd burners/dupers max out at 16X speed, by the end of next year 16X will be outdated, and if someone has a player with issues on playing discs today, then in 6 months or a year, that same player is going to be having discs playing MOST discs being burnt

just a year ago, most people were burning on 4 X discs, now you can barely find 4 X discs for sale ANYPLACE

most traders I know have to update their equipment at least once or twice a year to stay on top of things, thats just the nature of the beast :wave:



Do you think burning at a lower speed will prevent freezing?

i honestly dont know
BUT its far more likely that its the player

that has been my experience

i have some players that dont like some discs and brands and so on, and have just had to upgrade a lot to keep on top of such things

i deal with as many different dvd people as anyone

i have found that useing top quality media--in my experience

solves most of the problems before they happen

then another thing i do is not use a crap burner, i have gone to all nec 3520 and 3540 models

i threw away the hp i had

i stopped useing the crap pioneer 107 thats in my sony vaio

this also helped

then there are still some people who have problems

and it is in most cases their player

i used to tell people to send them back, and that just became a postal cost circuis

since i could play aboiut 99% of them on my philips 642 player

so no sir, i would not keep sending out set after set to replace the perfectly good one they already have, just becuase their player was the problem

in this hobby, its part of the persons responsibility to have some lnowledge and some equipment to deal with what comes in

you just cant sit back and cry when things dont jump in the machine and run

there needs to be some effort and expense put forth

i have cut off traders and paying customers alike, that kept haveing self impossed problems

hint---go on ebay---look for a philips 642 that has the old chip in it--it will be region free, will play pal, and will play almost anything thats shoved into it

for about $80 shipped

its far cheaper than the hard feelings your getting now

this is the second such problem this week that you have had

on a different note

harvey refered to the same problem on the copy end

some folks think a duplicator solves allt he problems

this is the same thing he was talking about most things dulpicate

some need to be done on a different drive

some in the computer

some times i use 5 different programs, before i get one to roll

this is part of the game we choose to get involved in

it takes investment in software, in drives, in knowledge, and in time



Well I was asking the guy to reburn ONE DISC and how much time and shipping costs does that take?-lol Now I can see how one would be annoyed if they had to do an entire set over but I was asking about ONE DISC and the fact that it was a hesistation it really pissed me off

ok well 1 disc is to be expected some times, i get a box of 100 discs in, and most likely ill have a bad 1 or so mixed in, bad burns happen, even the best discs are NOT 100% success rates

but if the same problem occurs with multiple trades, as seems to be the case here
a different solution might work best in the long run

ok well 1 disc is to be expected some times, i get a box of 100 discs in, and most likely ill have a bad 1 or so mixed in, bad burns happen, even the best discs are NOT 100% success rates

but if the same problem occurs with multiple trades, as seems to be the case here
a different solution might work best in the long run


It's not all the time just sometime. But I will say it's more than 50% of the Time. Like 65%.

When I first started in with DVDs, I had many problems with discs dragging or freezing in my Mintek player. Though I assumed that they were problem discs, I didn't confront the traders and demand replacements. I'm glad that I didn't because once I bought a Panasonic DVD player I had far fewer problems. Most (if not all) of the shows that played poorly on the Mintek played absolutely fine with the Panasonic. My Panasonic seems to be made to play homemade discs.

As long as a set plays on at least one of my players, I consider the discs a good trade. If they don't play well on any of them, that's when I confront the trader. Since I've seen shows play differently on different players, this leads me to realize that the problems aren't so much with the discs as with the compatibility of the player.

If you're going to do much of any DVD trading, it'd be in your best interest to get at least one other brand of DVD player, or else you'll lose more trading friends and/or make a lot more enemies in the process of complaining.

There are many ways of handling something like this if it ends up your
disc is the one that someone is saying is a problem.

I've had a couple of discs where I had a problem reading them.
I tried it 2 dvd players, 2 home computer players
using 5 different programs etc. That's when I prepared to say
"hey, it could be the DVD".

now, the person in question, we've kinda gone from them saying
"It could be your DVD player (which for all instances it could) to saying
that they must have demanded that it was your fault and not theres.
This does become unfair as far as intention because it's possible they really
didn't intend to come off as blaming, but was just trying to make a suggestion.
hard to say with tone or intonation involved.

Still, there isn't anything wrong with trying different methods of reading
that disc before someone announces that it's just your own darn fault
for having that DVD player.

What's amazing about this topic is that Retrotv has posted 8 times and not once hinted that maybe the problem is at his end and maybe he is considering upgrading his equpment or adding to it. All I hear is it's only one disk and no one should be nasty. Retro has heard from about 7 or 8 people that you have to update or add to but I'm sure he will respond about good manners and what are we going to do to help him.

Harvey

What's amazing about this topic is that Retrotv has posted 8 times and not once hinted that maybe the problem is at his end and maybe he is considering upgrading his equpment or adding to it. All I hear is it's only one disk and no one should be nasty. Retro has heard from about 7 or 8 people that you have to update or add to but I'm sure he will respond about good manners and what are we going to do to help him.

Harvey



I did upgrade in January of 2005 when I paid $185 for a Sony DVD player. Before that I had a $49 DVD player. So to hear I need a upgrade sounds silly. So i guess I need a downgrade because only CHEAP DVD Players play burned DVD"s?

sorry solomon

you just put the nail in the coffin right there

i will jump out and state this as loud as i can

sony dvd players are crap

period

you paid a lot for a junk player

i sure wish you would have said that in the first remarks

heres how much junk they are

i have a sony vaio top of the line desktop

its the av center version

sony didnt even put sony drives in their own machine

they put a liteon reader and a pioneer 107 burner


of all the serious problems i have had--its mostly been people with sony players

all but 1 was solved with a trial in a different palyer

one person was a knot head and insisted that i was a thief and his $$$ sony was great


im sorry for you that you bought it


but

if you would have researched it even a little

you would have found this to be true and you would have not purchased it

there are numerous sits that rate these things, and of course there are many info boards that feature dvd and video as their topic


sony used to be a top brand, but thats long since past being true

theres nothing worse than buying a lemon

please everyone out there

before you buy anything

take an hour and do some reading

it will pay off big time in the long run

theer are lots of $60 and under players that are great

walmart sells a progressive scan cyberhome at $36

also a philips 642 at $57

both are superior machines for the money

Solomon will never admit to being wrong, so everyone might as well go home. :lol:

I've had similar experiences with expensive dvd players, like Sony and Toshiba. They would either not play dvd-r/+r dvds, or just play them poorly (skipping and freezing). I purchased an Apex and now a Cyberhome dvd player, and have never had a problem since. Some dvd players are just not compatible or poorly compatible with various dvd brands.

Traders can't be responsible for the other party not having a compatible player. If they are correctly burned and have no media flaws/corruption, the trade is valid (in my opinion).

I have a sony DVD player from 1996 that was not ever designed to play DVD-/+ R but it will play anything I put in it. I have other newer players that will not always play the discs I put in them. I also have a SONY PS2 that will play all of my DVD-R without problem. I am not saying sony is top of the line DVD player but I have never had a problem with any of mine.

When I do a trade with someone and they say they are having issues with a disc not playing or other problems, the first thing I tell them is to try another DVD player. Thats normally the problem.

I burn most of my discs at 8X. I really don't think you will get a better quality burn by burning it slower. I have also burned at 16X without issues.

Joining in late but reiterating what's already been said many times over... I have four DVD players & a computer. Not all dvds are compatible with all players (check your owner's manual - some play only DVD+R, DVD-R, or both, some play mpgs, etc.) Even if the dvd is supposed to be compatible with a player, they may not play or may play distored. I've got a very old DVD player that some of the DVDs play distorted - the image is "stretched" too big for the screen - yet it plays fine on the other three & the computer. And that's happened on DVD's I've created myself!!! Some of these issues are how the DVD is authored (if it's not a retail rip) because you can select parameters regarding the screen. Some are burn issues. I NEVER burn at max speed. When I said that once before here, someone poo-pooed me, but you check ANY hard core DVD copying/creating/authoring site & if you're having burn problems, the first thing they say is to check your burn speed. Plus, it worked for me, after taking their advice.

But the bottom line is that when dealing with DVDs, initially the burden is upon the recipient. Try different players. Does it play on your computer? Once you've tried different players and/or computers & cannot get it to play or copy, then it may be a bad disc.

Same thing goes when copying...you simply need an array of tools. Multiple readers and software.

It sucks but that's just the way it is. Given all that, I STILL prefer to deal with DVDs because:

I can take 5-6 of them along on a trip & play them on an airplane.

I can store three copies in less space than 1 VHS tape.

Discs are cheaper than tapes & less expensive to mail.

If I'm making copies for a trade, it takes ~15 minutes to make a copy of a DVD with 2-3 hours of programming on it - would take 2-3 hours to make a VHS copy.

You don't lose resolution when making a copy of a DVD in a computer or duplicator.

Solomon ,

What if the guy that recieved the disk to begin with says everything is fine with the disk , and it plays well , then a month later emails the trader to let him know " oh can you reburn that disk for me , because it is now freezing ". When the trader suggests that it must be your player , because every DVD disk that you get ( from all different sources ) freeze , would you get mad at that person for making such a statement ? What would you do in that situation Solomon ? Think about this carefully before you answer - you know what I mean ?

Ben

from what i read and from what i have experienced

the nurn speed concern is really only important, whne you try and over speed your discs

there are many people who buy a 4x and try to run at 16x

and the same with an 8x, at 16x

thats where the problem comes in

if a good quality disc is designed to run at 16x, then the good quality burner should have no problem makeing a good disc at 16x

thats why you buy the 16x media

folks that buy the crapola brands, have trouble at 2x,and much more problems when they roll at 12 or 16x

a top quality disc like a taiyo yuden 8x, can easily handle a 12 x burn, they are under rated on their claim, where most media is overstaed on the package

so from what i have read and experienced, a burn speed of 2x and a burn speed of 16x, on top quality 16x media,with a high quality burner, will yield the same results

Joining in late but reiterating what's already been said many times over... I have four DVD players & a computer. Not all dvds are compatible with all players (check your owner's manual - some play only DVD+R, DVD-R, or both, some play mpgs, etc.) Even if the dvd is supposed to be compatible with a player, they may not play or may play distored. I've got a very old DVD player that some of the DVDs play distorted - the image is "stretched" too big for the screen - yet it plays fine on the other three & the computer. And that's happened on DVD's I've created myself!!! Some of these issues are how the DVD is authored (if it's not a retail rip) because you can select parameters regarding the screen. Some are burn issues. I NEVER burn at max speed. When I said that once before here, someone poo-pooed me, but you check ANY hard core DVD copying/creating/authoring site & if you're having burn problems, the first thing they say is to check your burn speed. Plus, it worked for me, after taking their advice.

But the bottom line is that when dealing with DVDs, initially the burden is upon the recipient. Try different players. Does it play on your computer? Once you've tried different players and/or computers & cannot get it to play or copy, then it may be a bad disc.

Same thing goes when copying...you simply need an array of tools. Multiple readers and software.

It sucks but that's just the way it is. Given all that, I STILL prefer to deal with DVDs because:

I can take 5-6 of them along on a trip & play them on an airplane.

I can store three copies in less space than 1 VHS tape.

Discs are cheaper than tapes & less expensive to mail.

If I'm making copies for a trade, it takes ~15 minutes to make a copy of a DVD with 2-3 hours of programming on it - would take 2-3 hours to make a VHS copy.

You don't lose resolution when making a copy of a DVD in a computer or duplicator.



That's why VHS will always be better than DVD's because it's not a such thing as a VHS Tape not playing in a certain VCR or watching a Tape and seeing it freeze. One Guy said he has a VHS backup for everything he has on DVD and I suggest all DVD traders do the same

That's why VHS will always be better than DVD's because it's not a such thing as a VHS Tape not playing in a certain VCR or watching a Tape and seeing it freeze. One Guy said he has a VHS backup for everything he has on DVD and I suggest all DVD traders do the same

Well, I disagree. Copying VHS ALWAYS has a reduction in quality in the newly made copy. And tapes DO get stuck in players. And tapes DO get damaged even, when stored properly over time. And yes, a very old tape my husband had would not play in one player but did in another. So yes, it does happen. And if you don't have a VHS backup or a player that WILL play it so you can get a new (lesser quality) version, you've lost your show. But we all know your aversion to new technology and that you'll never get there. And that's ok. It's a free country & all that. :D

Well, I disagree. Copying VHS ALWAYS has a reduction in quality in the newly made copy. And tapes DO get stuck in players. And tapes DO get damaged even, when stored properly over time. And yes, a very old tape my husband had would not play in one player but did in another. So yes, it does happen. And if you don't have a VHS backup or a player that WILL play it so you can get a new (lesser quality) version, you've lost your show. But we all know your aversion to new technology and that you'll never get there. And that's ok. It's a free country & all that. :D


From hearing you what said, DVD's and VHS have negatives but DVD's have a little more. I know I been using VCR's for 18 years and no Tape ever was stuck in the VCR

From hearing you what said, DVD's and VHS have negatives but DVD's have a little more. I know I been using VCR's for 18 years and no Tape ever was stuck in the VCR

Then consider yourself one of the fortunate few. And you seem to be overlooking the many ADvantages DVD has over VHS that have been mentioned...selective vision, perhaps?:)

Then consider yourself one of the fortunate few. And you seem to be overlooking the many ADvantages DVD has over VHS that have been mentioned...selective vision, perhaps?:)


even though DVD has many advantages over VHS, the freeze factor still gives VHS the slight edge in my opinion. I'm receiving a TREAT on VHS in a couple of days and I know I will be able to sit back, relax and enjoy the program without any interruptions. When watching a DVD, one eye is watching the program and the other eye is watching out for the posible FREEZE-lol

One Guy said he has a VHS backup for everything he has on DVD and I suggest all DVD traders do the same

That's sorta like having a horse as a backup for my car! Of course with the price of gas... :crazy:

But seriously, I think you're making the dvd issue out to be larger than it really has to be. If you use good quality dvd media, or transfer the stuff you get in trade to good quality media, most problems go away. Storage of dvds is soooo much easier than VHS (I have over 5,000 now, I'd need a 2nd house to store that many tapes - not to mention find a specific one when I need it!). DVD to DVD duplicates are perfect copies (DVD-R/+R I'm talking). Many more advantages than I could list...

BTW: I do make backups of my favorite stuff - but to another dvd. Going to tape would be going backwards.

That's sorta like having a horse as a backup for my car! Of course with the price of gas... :crazy:

But seriously, I think you're making the dvd issue out to be larger than it really has to be. If you use good quality dvd media, or transfer the stuff you get in trade to good quality media, most problems go away. Storage of dvds is soooo much easier than VHS (I have over 5,000 now, I'd need a 2nd house to store that many tapes - not to mention find a specific one when I need it!). DVD to DVD duplicates are perfect copies (DVD-R/+R I'm talking). Many more advantages than I could list...

BTW: I do make backups of my favorite stuff - but to another dvd. Going to tape would be going backwards.



The backup is for me. Something that I really enjoy watching and know I will go back to it at some point like -"The Miracle of The Meadowlands"from 1978.

"The Miracle of The Meadowlands"from 1978.
Is that when Herm Edwards picked up a fumble, or made an interception at the end of the game to win it for the Eagles?

Backup, backup, backup? If I have a dvd that goes bad and of course it happens, I can call one of ten people and have a new one sent out. A bad tape?. I don't who to go to. Why would anyone in their right mind want to tape something off tv to a tape and then when wanting to share it with someone spend a bunch of time copying it to another tape with a loss of quality, and have a increase in postage. The Edison phonograph was tops in it's time also.

Harvey

Is that when Herm Edwards picked up a fumble, or made an interception at the end of the game to win it for the Eagles?



Yes it is. Can't wait to see it since I was only 3 years old when Herm picked up the ball-lol

I never trust that a tape made in one VCR will play as well in another. One of the biggest issues I've encountered in nearly 30 years of trading is incompatibility of players. I've also had a couple of instances where tapes were eaten by the VCR, the tape came off the spool and had to be repaired, and head tracking was so different, it was impossible to track the tape on any of my decks (and vice versa). Universal compatibility of VHS is a lovely dream, but very, very far from the reality I've experienced.

And that's not even accounting for the particulate and general crap left on the VCR heads by really cheap tapes or tapes that have lost their magnetic integrity.

I find that much less with DVDs, although I do on occasion have problems with discs made by a friend in the business - his stuff will play great on certain DVD players, but have been known to lock up other players. Seriously, trip to the repair shop bad.

I don't like to do more than a disc or two in exchange with someone the first time around, because I do not automatically expect perfect compatibility. That's just based on a lot of experience - better to be disappointed with one disc or tape than to be unable to watch a whole 10-year series ... :<

The one thing I won't do is automatically dump my original off-air recordings when I've converted to DVD. I've recycled some recent shows that quickly came out on commercial DVD, and I continue to record some shows - like Smallville, CSI and Alias - on VHS because I know I will be quickly upgrading to DVD when the retail releases come out. But the over 5,000 videotapes in my collection that I've accumulated over, what, 27 years? I keep those. A lot of new shows I record direct to disc, but the older stuff ... for the stuff I really like, or the really rare stuff in my collection, I figure a better form of preservation may come along, or I might end up with better equipment for converting those tapes, so why not hold on to them, and consider the current DVD copies to be snapshots that may be improved upon later.

That's why VHS will always be better than DVD's because it's not a such thing as a VHS Tape not playing in a certain VCR or watching a Tape and seeing it freeze. One Guy said he has a VHS backup for everything he has on DVD and I suggest all DVD traders do the same


Hmm.. lets see, do you think I should backup all of my audio CD's onto cassettes? Thats asinine. I thought it was common knowledge that DVD is superior to VHS, especially if you are trading. Why would someone want to backup their DVD's to VHS? If you have a DVD thats been traded, I would bet you could get it again if something happened to it. A DVD freezing does not happen that often. A VHS tape with tracking problems is more of an occurence.

Well I got to go, going to go backup all of my VHS onto beta.

Hmm.. lets see, do you think I should backup all of my audio CD's onto cassettes? Thats asinine. I thought it was common knowledge that DVD is superior to VHS, especially if you are trading. Why would someone want to backup their DVD's to VHS? If you have a DVD thats been traded, I would bet you could get it again if something happened to it. A DVD freezing does not happen that often. A VHS tape with tracking problems is more of an occurence.

Well I got to go, going to go backup all of my VHS
onto beta.


First of all you are a A$$HOLE, I'm talking about backup for the shows that are my Favorites. And why would anyone need audio backup for a CD when they can just purchase a new f*uckin CD. You are a JACKA$$

First of all you are a A$$HOLE, I'm talking about backup for the shows that are my Favorites. And why would anyone need audio backup for a CD when they can just purchase a new f*uckin CD. You are a JACKA$$


What is your problem? I can't comment on your post? I didn't call you any names, why would you say such things to me? You don't know me. I just can't think of any reason someone would want to backup any DVD to a VHS tape, thats all. Have you ever heard of anyone making a music CD of their favorite songs and putting them on a CD, guess not.

Solomon will never admit to being wrong, so everyone might as well go home. :lol:
Believe me yet? :lol:

What is your problem? I can't comment on your post? I didn't call you any names, why would you say such things to me? You don't know me. I just can't think of any reason someone would want to backup any DVD to a VHS tape, thats all. Have you ever heard of anyone making a music CD of their favorite songs and putting them on a CD, guess not.



Isn't obvious I can't make DVD copies at the moment? Which is why I said VHS backup for shows I want to watch again. Read the F*uckin post next time.

Believe me yet? :lol:


go away

Not what you stated - it was "One Guy said he has a VHS backup for everything he has on DVD and I suggest all DVD traders do the same"...

That 'suggestion' makes no sense to almost all DVD traders that I know of (except yourself). I think that's all scottdvd was trying to point out. The language was definitely uncalled for.

This is ridiculous here


retrotvcollector wrote--
First of all you are a A$$HOLE, I'm talking about backup for the shows that are my Favorites. And why would anyone need audio backup for a CD when they can just purchase a new f*uckin CD. You are a JACKA$$

I mean, retrotv
ive got the shows u wanted transfered to vhs for you

and the analogy between backing up dvds onto vhs and backing up cds onto cassette tapes makes perfect sense

i understand that you might disagree, but I think its totally inappropriate and dare i say, a bit immature to use language like that, not to mention its against the rules of the board

some people are making things way too personal here and it is just plain bizarre

:(

Isn't obvious I can't make DVD copies at the moment? Which is why I said VHS backup for shows I want to watch again. Read the F*uckin post next time.


What I quoted you on was this:

Originally Posted by RetroTVCollector
That's why VHS will always be better than DVD's because it's not a such thing as a VHS Tape not playing in a certain VCR or watching a Tape and seeing it freeze. One Guy said he has a VHS backup for everything he has on DVD and I suggest all DVD traders do the same

And that is what I talked about. I read the post quite fine.

Not what you stated - it was "One Guy said he has a VHS backup for everything he has on DVD and I suggest all DVD traders do the same"...

That 'suggestion' makes no sense to almost all DVD traders that I know of (except yourself). I think that's all scottdvd was trying to point out. The language was definitely uncalled for.


I meat to say the guy said he wanted to hold on to his VHS Masters because u never know what can happen with a DVD

This is ridiculous here


retrotvcollector wrote--
First of all you are a A$$HOLE, I'm talking about backup for the shows that are my Favorites. And why would anyone need audio backup for a CD when they can just purchase a new f*uckin CD. You are a JACKA$$

I mean, retrotv
ive got the shows u wanted transfered to vhs for you

and the analogy between backing up dvds onto vhs and backing up cds onto cassette tapes makes perfect sense

i understand that you might disagree, but I think its totally inappropriate and dare i say, a bit immature to use language like that, not to mention its against the rules of the board

some people are making things way too personal here and it is just plain bizarre

:(


I apologize, i meant to say HOLDING ON TO VHS MASTERS for the shows that were converted to DVD

What I quoted you on was this:

Originally Posted by RetroTVCollector
That's why VHS will always be better than DVD's because it's not a such thing as a VHS Tape not playing in a certain VCR or watching a Tape and seeing it freeze. One Guy said he has a VHS backup for everything he has on DVD and I suggest all DVD traders do the same

And that is what I talked about. I read the post quite fine.


I was saying holding on to VHS masters. I stated it wrong. My fault

But I think that instead of apologizing for mistating your point about saving the vhs copy

you SHOULD be apologizing for publicly cussing another board member out and insulting them for no reason

again, just my 2 cents worth

But I think that instead of apologizing for mistating your point about saving the vhs copy

you SHOULD be apologizing for publicly cussing another board member out and insulting them for no reason

again, just my 2 cents worth


Rob the apology was for both

I am absolutely stunned at the language being used on this thread.

This thead is locked, and I am personally under the impression this follows under the catagory of personal attacks.

I would just like it stated for the record- that due to decision I mad to ban Retor I have recieved numerous complaints.

And I would like ot point out, the reason the banning took place was due to numerous complaints.

This is the exact situation that a moderator hates.
Being darned if you do and darned if you don't.


Had I ignored this particular situation, I would have had unjustice cries from those stating Vetran users need to set an example and shoudn't be above the rules of conduct.
Had I ignored it, I would have been questioned that I was allowing a Vetran user to say and do as he wishes, no consequences for actions that any other user has to uphold to.

By banning him for a week, I receive complaints that I am beeing to ridgid and my expecations are too high.

No matter what decision I made, there woudl have been a complaint from somewhere.

So my decision was not based on what others thought, or what others wanted done.
My decision was based on rules that are already set in motion, the fact he was contacted and my request to curtain the behaviour denied.
My decision was based on the expecation that all uses have the right to use the site freely and be respected, and that all users be show courteous replies, and allow to share this hobby with a younger section without being exposed to certain language.
My decision was based on the fact that everyone here has the right to be talked to as an adult, maturely and respectfully and not be intimidated.

I stand by my decision.

Anyone who has any complaints on this choice, has every right to go above me, beyodn me and talk to any other modeartors as well as the owner.
If you think you can do a better job, and have more wisdom and insight, I welcome that.


I didn't choose this job for popularity. I chose it for my basic opinion, on upholing basic rights.
I do what I can, as well as I can.

Savage~