Just saw something in my news feed that reminded me of Keith:

https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58b823dee4b0a8ded67aadfe/amp

Creepy!

this was clearly not a suicide, but what I don't get is why the police cover up?One of the kids being related to a police officer maybe?

this was clearly not a suicide, but what I don't get is why the police cover up?One of the kids being related to a police officer maybe?

As a black man, I'm going to tell you how it really is. The police covered it up because they don't care. They didn't want to investigate because he was a person of color, so throwing suicide on his autopsy means less work for them to do. It's not really a cover up, as much as it is disinterest.

I'm from Washington D.C., 20 minutes from Silver Spring, the police out there (anywhere really) could give a rats ass about minorities for the most part.

Think about cases like Andre Jones, Jayson Artis, and Keith Warren, they all have something in common don't they? Clear cases of murder in which the police didn't care about. They said Andre Jones committed suicide, they said Keith Warren committed suicide, despite both men having shown signs that something else occurred.

Seeing people comment on the Andre Jones thread as "suicide" despite him being a black teenager in a southern state prison CLEARLY shows some posters here don't know what they're talking about, or they're playing dumb.

The police didn't care in this case, or Andre's, or Jayson's. Police had nothing to do with this other than disinterest.

Another weird part is who sent the pictures of Keith to the family. First I thought it was someone sympathetic to them, but then didn't it have a threat about Mark Finley being next? Clearly not a good guy

As a black man, I'm going to tell you how it really is. The police covered it up because they don't care. They didn't want to investigate because he was a person of color, so throwing suicide on his autopsy means less work for them to do. It's not really a cover up, as much as it is disinterest.

This is sad, but true. I listened to a podcast on open/cold cases and how many police departments handle them. Many departments are all about the "closure rate" and they either focus on those that seem easier to solve or they just go with Occam's Razor and don't investigate enough.

This is not meant to be a rip on cops. I feel they have a tough job and in many places they are overworked and underpaid. There are also political pressures from various chiefs, mayors, etc. that push them one way or another.

What's sad is that all cases don't get the full invetigation they deserve. I can't even imagine what Keith Warren's mom (and numerous others) have been through in trying to learn the truth and seek justice.

As a black man, I'm going to tell you how it really is. The police covered it up because they don't care. They didn't want to investigate because he was a person of color, so throwing suicide on his autopsy means less work for them to do. It's not really a cover up, as much as it is disinterest.

I'm from Washington D.C., 20 minutes from Silver Spring, the police out there (anywhere really) could give a rats ass about minorities for the most part.

Think about cases like Andre Jones, Jayson Artis, and Keith Warren, they all have something in common don't they? Clear cases of murder in which the police didn't care about. They said Andre Jones committed suicide, they said Keith Warren committed suicide, despite both men having shown signs that something else occurred.

Seeing people comment on the Andre Jones thread as "suicide" despite him being a black teenager in a southern state prison CLEARLY shows some posters here don't know what they're talking about, or they're playing dumb.

The police didn't care in this case, or Andre's, or Jayson's. Police had nothing to do with this other than disinterest.

Yep. It's a sad truth but in America the police are the scum of the earth. Serve and protect? My ass. More like, imprison and extort money from you every chance they get. Oh yeah, don't forget about lying in court to support the state's case against you whenever possible. The US police force is the largest gang in the country and they get away with more crimes every day than anybody else. A lot of people will never agree with this stance and that's the biggest problem. People are conditioned to think of the police as people you can trust but nothing could be further from the truth. Never speak to them and always film any interaction you have with them or you just might end up like Keith Warren. 😡

As to what actually happened to Keith?

His friend who sent the letter to Keith's mother who said he needed to "unload" probably set Keith up. The note, being found murdered later, and Keith being found in his backyard sounds like he had something to do with it. How would the three guys know where to put him? It sounds like a "friend" put him close to home where he could be found.

His other friend's story sounds fishy though. If three guys he never saw before were looking for Keith, that he said Keith wasn't friends with, then how did they know he was Keith's friend? His whole "Keith only hangs out with white people" line was odd as well. Not saying it couldn't have been true, but it was weird. IF the story is true and they were looking for Keith then I think Keith's other friend set him up, or he lied on Keith.

I think the Kurt Sova-esque theory seems plausible, but if those three men were looking for Keith then I don't think he was partying. He was either selling/buying drugs, or was set-up by his friend. Maybe his "friend" lied on Keith to take the heat off of himself, but that got Keith killed and in his guilt he hung Keith in the backyard to be found? His note, and him being found dead seems like he opened his mouth about something.

Yep. It's a sad truth but in America the police are the scum of the earth. Serve and protect? My ass. More like, imprison and extort money from you every chance they get. Oh yeah, don't forget about lying in court to support the state's case against you whenever possible. The US police force is the largest gang in the country and they get away with more crimes every day than anybody else. A lot of people will never agree with this stance and that's the biggest problem. People are conditioned to think of the police as people you can trust but nothing could be further from the truth. Never speak to them and always film any interaction you have with them or you just might end up like Keith Warren. 😡

Absolutely correct. They are scum and not to be trusted.

Yep. It's a sad truth but in America the police are the scum of the earth. Serve and protect? My ass. More like, imprison and extort money from you every chance they get. Oh yeah, don't forget about lying in court to support the state's case against you whenever possible. The US police force is the largest gang in the country and they get away with more crimes every day than anybody else. A lot of people will never agree with this stance and that's the biggest problem. People are conditioned to think of the police as people you can trust but nothing could be further from the truth. Never speak to them and always film any interaction you have with them or you just might end up like Keith Warren. 😡

Wow... That escalated rather quickly. :rolleyes:

While there are MANY issues with the police in this country, I do not think it's fair for a second to say they are all "the scum of the earth." I think there are some great investigators and beat cops out there who do a lot of good on a daily basis. I think many of them are overworked and underpaid (as I said before) and I think there are some issues with how some departments are managed.

Have cops messed up investigations and cases? Yes. Are there crooked cops? Yes, just like there are crooked doctors, teachers, firefighters, lawyers, business people, etc. (If you need proof of that, just watch UM. :)) I'm sorry you have such a negative view of all of the police in America. Yes some things need to be fixed but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I don't think it is fair at all to say all cops are out to get people. I'm not going to argue about this with anyone on here anymore but I couldn't let that statement go unchallenged.

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Wow... That escalated rather quickly. :rolleyes:

While there are MANY issues with the police in this country, I do not think it's fair for a second to say they are all "the scum of the earth." I think there are some great investigators and beat cops out there who do a lot of good on a daily basis. I think many of them are overworked and underpaid (as I said before) and I think there are some issues with how some departments are managed.

Have cops messed up investigations and cases? Yes. Are there crooked cops? Yes, just like there are crooked doctors, teachers, firefighters, lawyers, business people, etc. (If you need proof of that, just watch UM. :)) I'm sorry you have such a negative view of all of the police in America. Yes some things need to be fixed but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I don't think it is fair at all to say all cops are out to get people. I'm not going to argue about this with anyone on here anymore but I couldn't let that statement go unchallenged.

Thank you. I work with amazing police officers, detective, dispatchers, etc. every single day. While I certainly believe that there ARE bad officers out there, I think it is the minority rather than the majority. I remain hopeful that the increasing attention put on police corruption will weed the bad ones out.

As a black man, I'm going to tell you how it really is. The police covered it up because they don't care. They didn't want to investigate because he was a person of color, so throwing suicide on his autopsy means less work for them to do. It's not really a cover up, as much as it is disinterest.

I'm from Washington D.C., 20 minutes from Silver Spring, the police out there (anywhere really) could give a rats ass about minorities for the most part.

Think about cases like Andre Jones, Jayson Artis, and Keith Warren, they all have something in common don't they? Clear cases of murder in which the police didn't care about. They said Andre Jones committed suicide, they said Keith Warren committed suicide, despite both men having shown signs that something else occurred.

Seeing people comment on the Andre Jones thread as "suicide" despite him being a black teenager in a southern state prison CLEARLY shows some posters here don't know what they're talking about, or they're playing dumb.

The police didn't care in this case, or Andre's, or Jayson's. Police had nothing to do with this other than disinterest.

Jayson Artis was a little different from the others--he was killed in Mexico. I do not for a minute believe he committed suicide. He was killed by Mexican police. I just don't understand why.

Thank you. I work with amazing police officers, detective, dispatchers, etc. every single day. While I certainly believe that there ARE bad officers out there, I think it is the minority rather than the majority. I remain hopeful that the increasing attention put on police corruption will weed the bad ones out.

No such thing as a good cop. There are bad cops and there are quiet cops. In the profession you're in, there is no way for you to have an unbiased opinion about that so there's no reason for us to get into it.

Moving on...

I find that most bootlickers are white males, usually middle class or higher, who can't possibly understand what discrimination is. White soccer moms fall into this category as well. Just follow Cop Block or Filming Cops on Facebook and you'll see no shortage of ignorant comments from racist, middle-class pieces of trash on police killing and/or torturing videos that a suspect, "should have complied" when they are laying unconscious on the ground and still being savagely beaten. Cops are on pace to kill over 1,000 people in the USA this year and if anybody doesn't see a problem with that, then they are being willfully ignorant. It's the same idiots that flip out over Colin Kaepernick for peacefully protesting. Seriously, screw all bootlickers and nationalists. You are all so brainwashed that you don't even know it. Might as well head to Charlottesville and hang out with your likeminded pals.

I'm sorry, but this topic is something I'm extremely passionate about and it infuriates the living crap out of me that so many people can support such a corrupt group of lying, cheating, murderous scumbags.

This does not go for forensic scientists, certain types of legit detectives and folks of that ilk. I find that particular field very fascinating and respect it very much. Please don't lump people trying to actually solve crimes in with the losers running around in blue costumes looking for trouble. They're not even the same species.

Jayson Artis was a little different from the others--he was killed in Mexico. I do not for a minute believe he committed suicide. He was killed by Mexican police. I just don't understand why.

Even worse. We went from police being negligent to now killing citizens. I'm not sure why he was killed, maybe he was drunk and a little mouthy, but he was still killed by police. And didn't they try to say he was hit by a car or something? :lol: :lol:

I think it is the minority rather than the majority.

Police corruption is in the majority if you're a minority. We look at life on two different sides of the coin, so I won't argue because your experience is different than mine. But they are scum.

If I was white I'm sure I'd love the police, and think they were wonderful too. It's like if workers of your favorite fast-food restaurant told you about how gross, and nasty the store is behind the scene, but you don't believe them because every time you went it was delicious and you saw no problems. Just because you don't see any problems, don't mean they're not there.

Even worse. We went from police being negligent to now killing citizens. I'm not sure why he was killed, maybe he was drunk and a little mouthy, but he was still killed by police. And didn't they try to say he was hit by a car or something? :lol: :lol:

Yeah, that was pretty laughable. I have no idea what the heck happened, other than I need to stay the hell out of Tijuana.

Police corruption is in the majority if you're a minority. We look at life on two different sides of the coin, so I won't argue because your experience is different than mine.

I'm obviously not a black man, but I'm a Hispanic woman in the middle of Montana. Just saying. :)

So... I don't think there is anyone who is saying that Keith Warren actually committed suicide. Anyone have any new theories on why Keith was murdered?

I'm obviously not a black man, but I'm a Hispanic woman in the middle of Montana. Just saying. :)

So... I don't think there is anyone who is saying that Keith Warren actually committed suicide. Anyone have any new theories on why Keith was murdered?

Huh....? My mind is destroyed....a hispanic Christina Ricci?!

I'm from near the area where he was (Silver Spring), I'm certain he was selling/buying drugs, or his friend got him into something. It sounds gang related, but I'm not sure to what degree. If they were looking for him then it could've been because of drugs, a girl, something along those lines.

Silver Spring is a pretty quiet/good area, that is more middle/upper class, so for them to be riding around and looking for him I think it was drug/money related. His friend who was killed sounded like he introduced Keith to something. I think it's highly possible that Keith was a "fall" guy and was thrown under the bus.

"Le" and the other people who were mentioned in the note that said they were going to die too, I wonder if they killed Keith, and his guilt-ridden friend tried to get back at them but was killed in the process?

Huh....? My mind is destroyed....a hispanic Christina Ricci?!

I'm from near the area where he was (Silver Spring), I'm certain he was selling/buying drugs, or his friend got him into something. It sounds gang related, but I'm not sure to what degree. If they were looking for him then it could've been because of drugs, a girl, something along those lines.

Silver Spring is a pretty quiet/good area, that is more middle/upper class, so for them to be riding around and looking for him I think it was drug/money related. His friend who was killed sounded like he introduced Keith to something. I think it's highly possible that Keith was a "fall" guy and was thrown under the bus.


"Le" and the other people who were mentioned in the note that said they were going to die too, I wonder if they killed Keith, and his guilt-ridden friend tried to get back at them but was killed in the process?

I was going to say, it sounded to me like something along these lines. The thing that really seals it for me though is sending the photos to the family - if you want to randomly snuff someone out, using a comparatively complex method and then sending pics to the family after the fact would be completely off the wall.

Did the friend's death ever get investigated, or his background combed through at least?

If we're going to be honest about cases, let's look at some facts that conveniently get ignored:

-Keith suffered a "nervous breakdown" (as described by his father) after his parents divorced, and he was hospitalized for four days.

-Keith moved from North Carolina (where he lived with his father) to Maryland to live with his mother after the hospitalization.

-Keith's dad bought him a car, which his mother did not approve of.

-Keith was fired from his job on July 21st.

-Keith's father called him on July 29th and told him he was taking the car away. His father said he was coming up on the 31st to take the car away.

-Keith's car insurance was due on July 31st.

-His mother told the police that she last saw Keith on the 29th.

-Keith's body was found on the 31st.

-Two men were named in the note given to Keith's mother. Mark Finley and another man who's name UM omitted. The other man is still alive today.

-Mark Finley died on a bike path in Wheaton, MD during a early morning bike ride. His front tire fell off and he fell and sustained fatal head injuries. Finley's hands did not have any injuries to them, which many found odd, since if he fell off of his bike, the natural reaction would be to brace yourself from a fall with your hands. But this works both ways. If Finley was followed and beaten to death, where are his defensive wounds?

-Keith's mother reached out to both Finley and the other man after she got the threatening note. Finley called her back and left his "unload" voicemail. But he never called her back. He died a month after he left the voicemail.

-The paramedic who responded to the 911 call said in a sworn affidavit that he was responding to a call about a "possible attempted suicide by hanging". While the paramedic does believe that Keith's death was not a suicide, he also never mentions anything about there being a call about a suicide in a basement or residence.

-No bruises, cuts, or abrasions were found on Keith's body.

-High traces of TCE was found in Keith's body after it was exhumed. TCE is (or was) common in embalming fluid.

So taking all of this into account, if you don't subscribe to suicide as a possibility, Keith had to have been murdered roughly a week after he lost his job and on the same day his father told him he was coming to take his car away.

If we're going to be honest about cases, let's look at some facts that conveniently get ignored:

-Keith suffered a "nervous breakdown" (as described by his father) after his parents divorced, and he was hospitalized for four days.

-Keith moved from North Carolina (where he lived with his father) to Maryland to live with his mother after the hospitalization.

-Keith's dad bought him a car, which his mother did not approve of.

-Keith was fired from his job on July 21st.

-Keith's father called him on July 29th and told him he was taking the car away. His father said he was coming up on the 31st to take the car away.

-Keith's car insurance was due on July 31st.

-His mother told the police that she last saw Keith on the 29th.

-Keith's body was found on the 31st.

-Two men were named in the note given to Keith's mother. Mark Finley and another man who's name UM omitted. The other man is still alive today.

-Mark Finley died on a bike path in Wheaton, MD during a early morning bike ride. His front tire fell off and he fell and sustained fatal head injuries. Finley's hands did not have any injuries to them, which many found odd, since if he fell off of his bike, the natural reaction would be to brace yourself from a fall with your hands. But this works both ways. If Finley was followed and beaten to death, where are his defensive wounds?

-Keith's mother reached out to both Finley and the other man after she got the threatening note. Finley called her back and left his "unload" voicemail. But he never called her back. He died a month after he left the voicemail.

-The paramedic who responded to the 911 call said in a sworn affidavit that he was responding to a call about a "possible attempted suicide by hanging". While the paramedic does believe that Keith's death was not a suicide, he also never mentions anything about there being a call about a suicide in a basement or residence.

-No bruises, cuts, or abrasions were found on Keith's body.

-High traces of TCE was found in Keith's body after it was exhumed. TCE is (or was) common in embalming fluid.

So taking all of this into account, if you don't subscribe to suicide as a possibility, Keith had to have been murdered roughly a week after he lost his job and on the same day his father told him he was coming to take his car away.

Where did you find all this info? Have I missed it in the previous pages? You make a compelling case. I just have issues with the swapped clothing, etc. that are in the fact scenario, too.

If we're going to be honest about cases, let's look at some facts that conveniently get ignored:

-Keith suffered a "nervous breakdown" (as described by his father) after his parents divorced, and he was hospitalized for four days.

-Keith moved from North Carolina (where he lived with his father) to Maryland to live with his mother after the hospitalization.

-Keith's dad bought him a car, which his mother did not approve of.

-Keith was fired from his job on July 21st.

-Keith's father called him on July 29th and told him he was taking the car away. His father said he was coming up on the 31st to take the car away.

-Keith's car insurance was due on July 31st.

-His mother told the police that she last saw Keith on the 29th.

-Keith's body was found on the 31st.

-Two men were named in the note given to Keith's mother. Mark Finley and another man who's name UM omitted. The other man is still alive today.

-Mark Finley died on a bike path in Wheaton, MD during a early morning bike ride. His front tire fell off and he fell and sustained fatal head injuries. Finley's hands did not have any injuries to them, which many found odd, since if he fell off of his bike, the natural reaction would be to brace yourself from a fall with your hands. But this works both ways. If Finley was followed and beaten to death, where are his defensive wounds?

-Keith's mother reached out to both Finley and the other man after she got the threatening note. Finley called her back and left his "unload" voicemail. But he never called her back. He died a month after he left the voicemail.

-The paramedic who responded to the 911 call said in a sworn affidavit that he was responding to a call about a "possible attempted suicide by hanging". While the paramedic does believe that Keith's death was not a suicide, he also never mentions anything about there being a call about a suicide in a basement or residence.

-No bruises, cuts, or abrasions were found on Keith's body.

-High traces of TCE was found in Keith's body after it was exhumed. TCE is (or was) common in embalming fluid.

So taking all of this into account, if you don't subscribe to suicide as a possibility, Keith had to have been murdered roughly a week after he lost his job and on the same day his father told him he was coming to take his car away.

Very interesting...

While this could be evidence as reason(s) for suicide, it also could indicate that Keith was possibly selling drugs for money and/or borrowed money from someone (since he lost his job and needed money for car insurance). That also goes along with the people who were looking for him and Mark Finlay having information about what was going on.

I still believe the whole story is way too fishy for suicide but the information you shared is important and does paint a little different picture.

-Mark Finley died on a bike path in Wheaton, MD during a early morning bike ride. His front tire fell off and he fell and sustained fatal head injuries. Finley's hands did not have any injuries to them, which many found odd, since if he fell off of his bike, the natural reaction would be to brace yourself from a fall with your hands. But this works both ways. If Finley was followed and beaten to death, where are his defensive wounds?

The PI also said it looked like his face was hit with a car or smashed in by a baseball bat.

-No bruises, cuts, or abrasions were found on Keith's body.

He was found loaded with chemicals, and were wearing clothes that weren't his. There was also dirt found in his hair. It's obvious he was met with foul play or someone put him there.


taking all of this into account, if you don't subscribe to suicide as a possibility, Keith had to have been murdered roughly a week after he lost his job and on the same day his father told him he was coming to take his car away.

You make a good case for suicide, but you glossed over the fact that the three men were looking for him, he were wearing clothes that weren't his, and he had dirt in his hair. He was put there. If his car was infact being taken away, then that to me, given with that we already know, sounds like he was possibly dealing drugs to keep/get another car and was killed.

Very interesting...

While this could be evidence as reason(s) for suicide, it also could indicate that Keith was possibly selling drugs for money and/or borrowed money from someone (since he lost his job and needed money for car insurance). That also goes along with the people who were looking for him and Mark Finlay having information about what was going on.

I still believe the whole story is way too fishy for suicide but the information you shared is important and does paint a little different picture.

Bingo.

Where did you find all this info? Have I missed it in the previous pages? You make a compelling case. I just have issues with the swapped clothing, etc. that are in the fact scenario, too.

All available on the Keith Warren website (it was possibly on the other website server which has since changed), and various articles from local newspapers. Unfortunately a lot of the stuff on the website is gone. This (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=196442&page=3&highlight=keith+warren) other thread has a discussion about these things.

His autopsy report (here (https://keithwarrenjusticesite.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/full-autopsy-report-keith-warren.pdf)) states:

There is a history of a very brief hospitalization termed more of a reactionary-type phenomenon referable to the breakup of his parent's marriage but the word depression is not used.

IIRC, the police report mentioned a bag with a change of clothes being found in his car. And we have to remember that his mother was looking at these pictures 6 years after Keith's death. Her memory on what clothes he wore or left in that day would certainly be a little fuzzy.

I've probably brought this up before but why didn't Mark Finley ever make that trip to the Warren's house to 'unload' like he said he would?

If I'm Keith's mother, I'm calling him back again and saying, "Um, you promised to unload. Why aren't you unloading?'"

A whole month passes before his death and he makes no more contact with Keith's family. Was it simply him changing his mind and cutting off all contact?

What happened during that month?

While this could be evidence as reason(s) for suicide, it also could indicate that Keith was possibly selling drugs for money and/or borrowed money from someone (since he lost his job and needed money for car insurance). That also goes along with the people who were looking for him and Mark Finlay having information about what was going on.

His father was going to take his car away on the 31st, because he had no job to pay for the expensive car insurance. Keith was told this on the 29th, the last day he was seen alive. If he was selling drugs, why not assure his father that he could get the money to pay the insurance?

Maybe Keith was selling drugs. That still could have no connection to his death, and would make the Mark Finley desperately searching for him seem fairly innocuous.

I've probably brought this up before but why didn't Mark Finley ever make that trip to the Warren's house to 'unload' like he said he would?

If I'm Keith's mother, I'm calling him back again and saying, "Um, you promised to unload. Why aren't you unloading?'"

A whole month passes before his death and he makes no more contact with Keith's family. Was it simply him changing his mind and cutting off all contact?

What happened during that month?

I've raised the same questions previously. It makes no sense at all for absolutely no contact to have been made for over a month between the two. And it's also interesting that the other man named in the threatening note actually went to the police to report harassment by Keith's mother. And to my knowledge, the mother never handed the threatening note over to the police. She claims her car was broken into and it was stolen.

His father was going to take his car away on the 31st, because he had no job to pay for the expensive car insurance. Keith was told this on the 29th, the last day he was seen alive. If he was selling drugs, why not assure his father that he could get the money to pay the insurance?

Maybe Keith was selling drugs. That still could have no connection to his death, and would make the Mark Finley desperately searching for him seem fairly innocuous.

Because if he was selling for a dealer, it's possible that he didn't get his cut yet., and didn't want to jump the gun. It's also possible that he did tell his father he could pay for it, but since he had no job his father didn't believe him and was going to take it anyway. Maybe the last day he was seen alive, he went to the dealers to try to get some money and an altercation broke out where he was killed.

And if Keith's death was just a plain ol' suicide because his father was taking his car away then why the people searching for him? Why bother sending threatening letters to his mother? Why three men looking for him? Why the dirt in his hair that looked like he was laying on the ground before he was hung?

It's also possible that he stole money from one of them in desperation on his last day seen alive and was killed because of it. Maybe he was caught stealing something to try and get the insurance money if he didn't have enough.

You made some points that the mother never handed over the note, and that the guy mentioned contacted the police about his mother harassing him, so why was Mark murdered? If his mother lied about the note, then why kill Mark?

IRC, the police report mentioned a bag with a change of clothes being found in his car. And we have to remember that his mother was looking at these pictures 6 years after Keith's death. Her memory on what clothes he wore or left in that day would certainly be a little fuzzy.

Wasn't she there when his body was found in the backyard? Wouldn't she obviously have known that the clothes weren't his when he was first found?

Wasn't she there when his body was found in the backyard? Wouldn't she obviously have known that the clothes weren't his when he was first found?

She was notified of his death after he was already taken to a funeral home. She never saw the body at the scene.

You made some points that the mother never handed over the note, and that the guy mentioned contacted the police about his mother harassing him, so why was Mark murdered? If his mother lied about the note, then why kill Mark?

I don't know if his mother lied about the note. I wasn't insinuating that. My point was that since she claimed the note was stolen, and that the other guy went to the police to report her, it doesn't seem like this other guy took her seriously enough to fear for his life. And if the note was never found, it couldn't be verified. It's also important to remember that Mark didn't call Keith's mother until 2 months after finding out that his name was mentioned in the note (according to UM). Prior to Mark's death, no one outside of Mark, Keith's mother, and Keith's sister knew about the existence of the voice mail he left on the mother's answering machine. And if someone else did know about it, why wait a month before killing him?

And why aren't friends or family members of Mark pushing the murder in connection with Keith's death?

She was notified of his death after he was already taken to a funeral home. She never saw the body at the scene.

Until she got the pictures. :eek: :eek:

I've raised the same questions previously. It makes no sense at all for absolutely no contact to have been made for over a month between the two. And it's also interesting that the other man named in the threatening note actually went to the police to report harassment by Keith's mother. And to my knowledge, the mother never handed the threatening note over to the police. She claims her car was broken into and it was stolen.

Really? I've never heard any of that.

My head is spinning now. I don't blame Keith's mother for constantly trying to get answers from this person. Why not do the same with Mark Finley?

I also understand why she wouldn't trust the police, which is the only reason I can think of for her not turning the note into them the day it arrived on her doorstep.

But why would she keep that note in her car? And how would someone know to even look in her car to steal it? That makes no sense.

Until she got the pictures. :eek: :eek:

And those pictures are available to view online, if you have the stomach to look at them.

Really? I've never heard any of that.

My head is spinning now. I don't blame Keith's mother for constantly trying to get answers from this person. Why not do the same with Mark Finley?

I also understand why she wouldn't trust the police, which is the only reason I can think of for her not turning the note into them the day it arrived on her doorstep.

But why would she keep that note in her car? And how would someone know to even look in her car to steal it? That makes no sense.

This is what she says in her personal notes about the case:

Also contained in the envelope was a note. This note said that two friends of my son's, Mark Finley and Laurent Berman, would be next. Four months later, Mark Finley was killed in what was called a "freak" bicycle accident. Subsequently, my car was broken into, and among other things taken, was this note.

Source (https://keithwarrenjusticesite.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/personal-notes005.pdf)

What I find odd is that there is no mention at all about the voice mail that Finley left her.

And those pictures are available to view online, if you have the stomach to look at them.

Wow.

That's awful. But I may check the pictures out. Not gonna lie.

EDIT: Okay, I looked. No way was that suicide. I think Cars makes some really great points, but (sorry for the detail that's coming) the rope looks all wrong around his neck. It looks like someone threw the noose around his neck after he was unconscious or already dead. Reading the autopsy report now. Thanks for the link.

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"Those first few months of new friendships were to be the last months of his life. Keith had fallen in with disreputable people, some of whom may have been involved in drugs."

This is what I had figured.

"a suicide had been committed in the basement of the house from which she was calling. The address is 14655 Tynewick Drive, Silver Spring, Maryland.
Rescue personnel arrived on the scene with paramedic Dallas Lipp in charge. Three people, including Mr. Chip Wynn who resided in the house, were seated at the kitchen table. A young lady named Claudia "Michelle" Lawson, who was Mr. Wynn's girlfriend, was also present. It was Ms. Lawson who had called and reported the suicide in the basement. Mr. Lipp informed the people that he was responding to the girl's call about a suicide and asked to be directed to the basement. He was advised that the body was in the woods a short distance from the house."

This tells me what I need to know. Why say he was in the basement if he was in the woods? He was killed in the house and hung up in the woods as a faux suicide.

Wow.

That's awful. But I may check the pictures out. Not gonna lie.

EDIT: Okay, I looked. No way was that suicide. I think Cars makes some really great points, but (sorry for the detail that's coming) the rope looks all wrong around his neck. It looks like someone threw the noose around his neck after he was unconscious or already dead. Reading the autopsy report now. Thanks for the link.

Yeah, I looked and agree too. The way his head/neck looks you can tell it was thrown on as an aftermath. It doesn't look tight enough at all.

The shirtless man in the background of photo #3 is certainly suspicious. Makes you wonder if the shirt Keith is wearing didn't come straight off that dude's back.

Also, his feet are touching the ground with plenty of room to spare. No way could he have hanged himself in that position. That rope looks a bit on the small side too. This was in no way a suicide.

The shirtless man in the background of photo #3 is certainly suspicious. Makes you wonder if the shirt Keith is wearing didn't come straight off that dude's back.

He was one of the residents from the house where the 911 call originated from.

Also, his feet are touching the ground with plenty of room to spare. No way could he have hanged himself in that position. That rope looks a bit on the small side too. This was in no way a suicide.

Michael Carmichael. Was found leaning/hanging up against a closet. Ruled a suicide. David Carradine was found in a similar position as Keith Warren. Also a suicide.

"a suicide had been committed in the basement of the house from which she was calling. The address is 14655 Tynewick Drive, Silver Spring, Maryland. Rescue personnel arrived on the scene with paramedic Dallas Lipp in charge. Three people, including Mr. Chip Wynn who resided in the house, were seated at the kitchen table. A young lady named Claudia "Michelle" Lawson, who was Mr. Wynn's girlfriend, was also present. It was Ms. Lawson who had called and reported the suicide in the basement. Mr. Lipp informed the people that he was responding to the girl's call about a suicide and asked to be directed to the basement. He was advised that the body was in the woods a short distance from the house."

This tells me what I need to know. Why say he was in the basement if he was in the woods? He was killed in the house and hung up in the woods as a faux suicide.

No one said he was in the basement. That's not true. Dallas Lipp's affidavit says he was responding to a call in "an area" of a "possible attempted suicide by hanging".

On or about July 31, 1986, I was assigned to Medic 7 at Kensington Station 25 and my unit was dispatched to an area in Silver Spring, MD to respond to a call reporting a "possible attempted suicide by hanging". When we arrived to the address given, there was no one waiting to guide us to the victim. When we knocked on the door, there was a long pause before anyone answered. The occupants, two males and a female, carried on some discussion among themselves about whether any of them had called, and then told us the victim was back in the woods. One of them reluctantly escorted us to the site.

Affidavit (http://www.thekeithwarrenjusticesite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Dallas-Lipp-affadavit_Page_updated-4-page.pdf) here.

He was one of the residents from the house where the 911 call originated from.



Michael Carmichael. Was found leaning/hanging up against a closet. Ruled a suicide. David Carradine was found in a similar position as Keith Warren. Also a suicide.

If Keith had all of those chemicals in his body, I doubt he was able to tie that rope.

If Keith had all of those chemicals in his body, I doubt he was able to tie that rope.

If those chemicals came from the embalming process that point is irrelevant.

He was one of the residents from the house where the 911 call originated from.



Michael Carmichael. Was found leaning/hanging up against a closet. Ruled a suicide. David Carradine was found in a similar position as Keith Warren. Also a suicide.

I think Robin Williams died in a similar fashion. And inmates are able to hang themselves in jail without their feet leaving the floor.

Like I said, though, I'm not focused on the feet. I'm focused on the rope.

No one said he was in the basement. That's not true. Dallas Lipp's affidavit says he was responding to a call in "an area" of a "possible attempted suicide by hanging".



Affidavit (http://www.thekeithwarrenjusticesite.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Dallas-Lipp-affadavit_Page_updated-4-page.pdf) here.

You're posting alot of sources, some of which are shady and not verified at best. Keith had a high level of toxins in his body. I doubt he was able to tie a coherent noose and then hang himself.

You're getting too distracted by these "sources" and articles, and believing too much of what they say.

If those chemicals came from the embalming process that point is irrelevant.


1-1-1-TCE concentrations with higher concentrations in tissue, toluene, xylene, ethlybenzene, 1,1-dichloroethane were found in Keith’s blood, liver, brain, and Kidney tissues. The forensic pathologist, Dr. Isidore Mihalakis stated "The toxicological findings... do not support a hanging diagnosis based on the levels of TCE I do not believe he would have the ability to hang himself...he would have been immobilized or even dead." "such a case must be considered a homicide until proven otherwise."

Keep in mind this was concluded 8yrs after his death. Dr. Mikhalakis also stated the levels were so high in 1994 he couldn’t image what they were in 1986

And why would he inject himself with embalming fluid?

You're getting too distracted by these "sources" and articles, and believing too much of what they say.

:lol:

These "sources" are from Keith's family run website which loudly proclaims he was murdered and that his case was "the modern day Trayvon Martin".

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These "sources" are from Keith's family run website which loudly proclaims he was murdered and that his case was "the modern day Trayvon Martin".

My mistake then. His mother claimed he was found in the basement, and you said no one said anything about that. This information is conflicting. But common sense says he didn't hang himself in that tree. It's possible he O'D and was hung up, but he didn't tie that rope.

Trayvon Martin? Wasn't the group of people he was hanging around black as is indicated in photo #3 with the shirtless guy in the background?

Found an interesting e-mail exchange Keith's sister posted to websleuths 3 years ago. You can find it here (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?129442-MD-Keith-Warren-19-Silver-Spring-30-July-1986/page8). The highlights:

-Keith's clothing was given to his family by the funeral home, not the police.

-The medical examiner, not the police department, concluded that an autopsy was not necessary. This was prior to Maryland adopting a law in which autopsies were required for deaths that were initially deemed suicides.

-While trying to find Keith's relatives, a detective interviewed a neighbor who had "provided information related to Keith's prior mental history".

-A rep from the funeral home was questioned and said that Keith's body was not embalmed until the family gave permission the next day.

-The Chief of the ISB (different agency from the Montgomery County PD) authorized the tree to be cut down for further analysis. The tree was taken because of the issues raised by Keith's family. "The tree was examined for burn marks that would have indicated hoisting by another individual and no such marks were found. This case was determined closed at the time the tree was cut down."

-The medical examiner was at the scene, and he was the one who ruled the death a suicide.

Okay, I looked. No way was that suicide. I think Cars makes some really great points, but (sorry for the detail that's coming) the rope looks all wrong around his neck. It looks like someone threw the noose around his neck after he was unconscious or already dead. Reading the autopsy report now. Thanks for the link.

Check out this link (http://geoffreye-reedlife.blogspot.com/2011/08/asphyxial-deaths.html). It's GRAPHIC and NSFW, but it does contain some pictures of cases of suicides with hanging. One of them has a picture near identical to the one of Keith from behind.

i think freakbook was right. Most likely Keith's friend got him into some deep **** with a gang. These were probably the same people looking for him. They hung him in a way to send a message.

Cops were just lazy and did not care.

Although I must say this, Keiths family seemed well to do and they lived in a middle class neighbourhood. That could help explain why those unknown black men were looking for him, i.e. how many black families lived in that area at that particular time? Less than so Keith would be easier to find i guess. Plus we do not know if these man had some idea of where he lived and maybe got a bit lost?

freakbook was right

gotta give you props, the crying Jordan meme has been abused to death but I've never seen the smile in tears, surprised this hasn't gone viral.

I went and watched this on Amazon and a statement from the private investigator jumped out at me.

"Mark Findley made a statement at a party, saying that Keith didn't kill himself. I helped hang him in the tree. It just seemed kind of strange that he happened to expire when he made that statement."

It feels like such a throwaway line at the end of the segment and it's used more to shroud Findley's death in mystery than the actual alleged bombshell that he revealed.

How and when did the investigator learn of this admission by Findley? Did other people at that party come forward to him with this info? If I'm him, I'm trying to track down every kid who was at that party.

No one finds it odd that the family initially accepted suicide, but switched months later? Keith's mother, according to the UM segment:

She launched a letter-writing campaign, targeting state and federal officials. But for six long years, Mary Couey hit a stone wall every way she turned.

The story never gained any traction, outside of local newspapers, until JET magazine published an article about it where the mother now believed that Keith was the victim of a lynching. That was in 1994. 2 years later, on UM, the story had shifted to falling into the wrong crowd who either covered up an accidental death or murdered him. I don't blame the mother for wanting answers in her son's death, but the more you have to twist a story to get attention, the less believable it is, IMO.

No one finds it odd that the family initially accepted suicide, but switched months later?

No. As was said in the segment, Keith didn't (atleast to their knowledge) run around with gangs, or shady characters until they knew what happened later on. His friend had told them that some guys were looking for Keith, and the mother received a weird envelope later. Keith had seemed to switch overnight, so it's possible that they knew he suffered from depression/mental illness and thought he could've done it at first, but after learning what they did came to a different conclusion. He was also found with multiple chemicals in his autopsy. It's not hard to grasp.

While this may not be your intent, it seems like you keep trying to blame the mother for trying to get justice for her son. Most of your posts are pointing the finger at his mother for "making things up" and trying to get her son's case solved. You keep questioning her like she's suspicious, but she LOST her son.

Have some common sense and put yourself in her shoes. If you lost your son, and new information kept popping up concerning his death, wouldn't you want a new investigation launched? Even if she's "making stuff up", new information DID come to light, and she wants justice for her son.

It's like you're trying to make the mother seem more suspicious than his death.

No. As was said in the segment, Keith didn't (atleast to their knowledge) run around with gangs, or shady characters until they knew what happened later on. His friend had told them that some guys were looking for Keith, and the mother received a weird envelope later. Keith had seemed to switch overnight, so it's possible that they knew he suffered from depression/mental illness and thought he could've done it at first, but after learning what they did came to a different conclusion. He was also found with multiple chemicals in his autopsy. It's not hard to grasp.

None of that is odd to me. It's the switching of the he was the victim of a modern day lynching to running around with a rough crowd involved with drugs. She knew a few weeks after his death that shady people were looking for him the day before his body was found. And all of the men in the car, per Keith's friend, were black. Why make the leap that Keith was the victim of a lynching because he dated white girls based off of this?

While this may not be your intent, it seems like you keep trying to blame the mother for trying to get justice for her son. Most of your posts are pointing the finger at his mother for "making things up" and trying to get her son's case solved. You keep questioning her like she's suspicious, but she LOST her son.

I'm not blaming the mother for anything. I said that I don't blame her at all for trying to get all of the answers in her sons death. I have never once said she was making anything up.

Have some common sense and put yourself in her shoes. If you lost your son, and new information kept popping up concerning his death, wouldn't you want a new investigation launched? Even if she's "making stuff up", new information DID come to light, and she wants justice for her son.

Outside of the chemicals being found in his body, no new information has come to light since the ruling of the suicide.

It's like you're trying to make the mother seem more suspicious than his death.

I don't think she's suspicious. I think she was largely chasing shadows and misinformation given to her by others, thinking that she was uncovering new information about Keith's death. If Mark Finley didn't die in a freak bicycle accident, would this even be worthy of being on Unsolved Mysteries? I just don't understand the level of skepticism placed on certain segments of suicide vs. murder (Jeffrey Digman, Danny Williams, Tony Lombardi) compared to this one.

Edit: on Youtube, if you search "Keith Warren death abc news", there's a 2 part story done by a local news station about the case. Mark Finley's family was contacted by the reporters for this story, and they simply said "no comment".

None of that is odd to me. It's the switching of the he was the victim of a modern day lynching to running around with a rough crowd involved with drugs. She knew a few weeks after his death that shady people were looking for him the day before his body was found. And all of the men in the car, per Keith's friend, were black. Why make the leap that Keith was the victim of a lynching because he dated white girls based off of this?

Yeah, I NEVER thought this was racially motivated whatsoever. What you said is correct, BLACK men were looking for Keith, not white. Even the house that the police investigated that called them about Keith were black.

You're right on that, and I never understood the whole "racially motivated lynching" of this case. Mark, and the men who were looking for Keith were black. I always thought they killed him, or he killed himself, and they just staged the scene. This was definitely not racially motivated. I always thought money/drug related, but not race.

Silver Spring is generally mixed, and not really a racist area, so I don't see a modern day lynching being done there.

Yeah, I NEVER thought this was racially motivated whatsoever. What you said is correct, BLACK men were looking for Keith, not white. Even the house that the police investigated that called them about Keith were black.

You're right on that, and I never understood the whole "racially motivated lynching" of this case. Mark, and the men who were looking for Keith were black. I always thought they killed him, or he killed himself, and they just staged the scene. This was definitely not racially motivated.

Silver Spring is generally mixed, and not really a racist area, so I don't see a modern day lynching done there/

That was what his family was alleging in 1992, which got the attention of the local news station, which in turn gained some ground with the publishing of the article in JET. By 1996, both the family and the PI they hired had changed their theories into Keith either dying accidentally at a party, or that someone deliberately murdered him at one. And in 1992, his mom had already received the envelope with the pictures and the threatening note. And she knew about the occupants in the car looking for Keith prior to finding the note. Which makes the assertion that he was lynched for dating white girls baffling to me.

That was what his family was alleging in 1992, which got the attention of the local news station, which in turn gained some ground with the publishing of the article in JET. By 1996, both the family and the PI they hired had changed their theories into Keith either dying accidentally at a party, or that someone deliberately murdered him at one. And in 1992, his mom had already received the envelope with the pictures and the threatening note. And she knew about the occupants in the car looking for Keith prior to finding the note. Which makes the assertion that he was lynched for dating white girls baffling to me.

Yeah...my only guess would be that citing that it was "racially motivated for dating white girls" was to grab press attention. If they made it racially motivated then they knew more people would become interested in the case.

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I was going to say, it sounded to me like something along these lines. The thing that really seals it for me though is sending the photos to the family - if you want to randomly snuff someone out, using a comparatively complex method and then sending pics to the family after the fact would be completely off the wall.

Did the friend's death ever get investigated, or his background combed through at least? My mom tried to talk to his mother and his family wanted no investigation into Marks death. I have come to learn Mark's mother was/is very good friends with the woman who owned the house the 911 call came from relating to Keith's death. Also recently revealed the funeral home worker who cut Keith's body off the tree was friends with those that live in the house the 911 came from... this would contradict the explanation from the detective that he choose a random funeral home that was closet to the location of the scene to release the body...

If we're going to be honest about cases, let's look at some facts that conveniently get ignored: - PLEASE BE ACCURATE IN THE INFORMATION YOU SHARE

-Keith suffered a "nervous breakdown" (as described by his father) after his parents divorced, and he was hospitalized for four days. -Incorrect Keith suffered a anxieity attack caused by my fathers 2nd wife I have documented proof on the website...Please be accurate in information you share

-Keith moved from North Carolina (where he lived with his father) to Maryland to live with his mother after the hospitalization.- Incorrect Keith moved from Maryland in 1985 to NC to bond with my father and my fathers 2nd wife as a mean and vindictive woman. Keith lived with my dad in NC for 9months- again please be accurate in your information

-Keith's dad bought him a car- incorrect ,The car was one my dad brought in 1976 and preserved it for Keith. which his mother did not approve of. - correct my mother believed the car would attract the wrong crowd.

-Keith was fired from his job on July 21st. - Incorrect- I have a affidavit from employer which states he was not fired. This was a lie from the patrol officer. It took Officer Leverette 5hrs to notify my mother her son was dead when she was only 20min away because he went to Keiths job, the 7-11, and hardware store before he notified mother

-Keith's father called him on July 29th and told him he was taking the car away. His father said he was coming up on the 31st to take the car away. - Incorrect- My father called to discuss transferring the insurance into Keith's name- at this point you are regurgitating everything from the police report. The only issue is you have not mention the Detective used information from a third party, unnamed, unrelated, unidentified source to obtain the information on the police report. So just like the police you are using "HEARSAY" to determine cause of death and then use the "HEARSAY" information to justify sending Keith's body to the funeral home of his choice and no autopsy.

-Keith's car insurance was due on July 31st. - correct

-His mother told the police that she last saw Keith on the 29th. - Correct

-Keith's body was found on the 31st. - His body was found however because of no autopsy or lividity test done there is no definitive date or cause of death.

-Two men were named in the note given to Keith's mother. Mark Finley and another man who's name UM omitted. The other man is still alive today. - correct

-Mark Finley died on a bike path in Wheaton, MD during a early morning bike ride. His front tire fell off and he fell and sustained fatal head injuries. Finley's hands did not have any injuries to them, which many found odd, since if he fell off of his bike, the natural reaction would be to brace yourself from a fall with your hands. But this works both ways. If Finley was followed and beaten to death, where are his defensive wounds? - Incorrect-Marks body was found behind his bike and witness( paramedic who responded to the scene and who have signed affidavit that in their opinion it was NOT accident) the document is on the website

-Keith's mother reached out to both Finley and the other man after she got the threatening note. Finley called her back and left his "unload" voicemail. But he never called her back. He died a month after he left the voicemail. - You failed to mention the part about how I took the tape to MCMPD and gave it to Detective Beasley and the tape is now missing...

-The paramedic who responded to the 911 call said in a sworn affidavit that he was responding to a call about a "possible attempted suicide by hanging". While the paramedic does believe that Keith's death was not a suicide, he also never mentions anything about there being a call about a suicide in a basement or residence. - Incorrect- he told both my mother and our private investigator the first time it came over his radio the explanation was the body was in the basement of the house. You also failed to mention the same paramedic said he walked around Keith's body for 10min trying to figure out how Keith would have used 2 trees and 2 ropes to hang himself and couldn't find nothing. You also failed to mention how the same paramedic signed affidavit that he believed Keith was strung up on the tree. The document is on the website..

-No bruises, cuts, or abrasions were found on Keith's body. - correct

-High traces of TCE was found in Keith's body after it was exhumed. TCE is (or was) common in embalming fluid. Incorrect- per my mother's investigation and the paperwork from Colins funeral home "TCE" was NOT used in their "Power Pack" when they embalmed Keith's body.

So taking all of this into account, if you don't subscribe to suicide as a possibility, Keith had to have been murdered roughly a week after he lost his job and on the same day his father told him he was coming to take his car away. -

Yeah...my only guess would be that citing that it was "racially motivated for dating white girls" was to grab press attention. If they made it racially motivated then they knew more people would become interested in the case. - All of Keith's friends were white. They lived in my house or was on my phone day and night. The day and a half he was missing no one came by my house or called. My mom called someone we thought was one of his best friends on Wednesday night looking for Keith and He told my mother "I know where he is I will get him". On Thursday Keith's body was found on the tree..... Also I believe "TheCars1986" has an agenda or motive to mis-inform people about Keith's death not sure why. Please read through my response to his post below:


If we're going to be honest about cases, let's look at some facts that conveniently get ignored: - PLEASE BE ACCURATE IN THE INFORMATION YOU SHARE

-Keith suffered a "nervous breakdown" (as described by his father) after his parents divorced, and he was hospitalized for four days. -Incorrect Keith suffered a anxieity attack caused by my fathers 2nd wife I have documented proof on the website...Please be accurate in information you share

-Keith moved from North Carolina (where he lived with his father) to Maryland to live with his mother after the hospitalization.- Incorrect Keith moved from Maryland in 1985 to NC to bond with my father and my fathers 2nd wife as a mean and vindictive woman. Keith lived with my dad in NC for 9months- again please be accurate in your information

-Keith's dad bought him a car- incorrect ,The car was one my dad brought in 1976 and preserved it for Keith. which his mother did not approve of. - correct my mother believed the car would attract the wrong crowd.

-Keith was fired from his job on July 21st. - Incorrect- I have a affidavit from employer which states he was not fired. This was a lie from the patrol officer. It took Officer Leverette 5hrs to notify my mother her son was dead when she was only 20min away because he went to Keiths job, the 7-11, and hardware store before he notified mother

-Keith's father called him on July 29th and told him he was taking the car away. His father said he was coming up on the 31st to take the car away. - Incorrect- My father called to discuss transferring the insurance into Keith's name- at this point you are regurgitating everything from the police report. The only issue is you have not mention the Detective used information from a third party, unnamed, unrelated, unidentified source to obtain the information on the police report. So just like the police you are using "HEARSAY" to determine cause of death and then use the "HEARSAY" information to justify sending Keith's body to the funeral home of his choice and no autopsy.

-Keith's car insurance was due on July 31st. - correct

-His mother told the police that she last saw Keith on the 29th. - Correct

-Keith's body was found on the 31st. - His body was found however because of no autopsy or lividity test done there is no definitive date or cause of death.

-Two men were named in the note given to Keith's mother. Mark Finley and another man who's name UM omitted. The other man is still alive today. - correct

-Mark Finley died on a bike path in Wheaton, MD during a early morning bike ride. His front tire fell off and he fell and sustained fatal head injuries. Finley's hands did not have any injuries to them, which many found odd, since if he fell off of his bike, the natural reaction would be to brace yourself from a fall with your hands. But this works both ways. If Finley was followed and beaten to death, where are his defensive wounds? - Incorrect-Marks body was found behind his bike and witness( paramedic who responded to the scene and who have signed affidavit that in their opinion it was NOT accident) the document is on the website

-Keith's mother reached out to both Finley and the other man after she got the threatening note. Finley called her back and left his "unload" voicemail. But he never called her back. He died a month after he left the voicemail. - You failed to mention the part about how I took the tape to MCMPD and gave it to Detective Beasley and the tape is now missing...

-The paramedic who responded to the 911 call said in a sworn affidavit that he was responding to a call about a "possible attempted suicide by hanging". While the paramedic does believe that Keith's death was not a suicide, he also never mentions anything about there being a call about a suicide in a basement or residence. - Incorrect- he told both my mother and our private investigator the first time it came over his radio the explanation was the body was in the basement of the house. You also failed to mention the same paramedic said he walked around Keith's body for 10min trying to figure out how Keith would have used 2 trees and 2 ropes to hang himself and couldn't find nothing. You also failed to mention how the same paramedic signed affidavit that he believed Keith was strung up on the tree. The document is on the website..

-No bruises, cuts, or abrasions were found on Keith's body. - correct

-High traces of TCE was found in Keith's body after it was exhumed. TCE is (or was) common in embalming fluid. Incorrect- per my mother's investigation and the paperwork from Colins funeral home "TCE" was NOT used in their "Power Pack" when they embalmed Keith's body.

So taking all of this into account, if you don't subscribe to suicide as a possibility, Keith had to have been murdered roughly a week after he lost his job and on the same day his father told him he was coming to take his car away. -

I went and watched this on Amazon and a statement from the private investigator jumped out at me.

"Mark Findley made a statement at a party, saying that Keith didn't kill himself. I helped hang him in the tree. It just seemed kind of strange that he happened to expire when he made that statement." - Mark Finely said it at a party and I personally heard it. Mark Finely would get drunk at party's and brag about how he helped put Keith on the tree. The private investigator received the information from me.

It feels like such a throwaway line at the end of the segment and it's used more to shroud Findley's death in mystery than the actual alleged bombshell that he revealed.

How and when did the investigator learn of this admission by Findley? Did other people at that party come forward to him with this info? If I'm him, I'm trying to track down every kid who was at that party. -The private investigator got his information from me (Sherri Warren). We went the route and got shut down every which way from the circle of friends. My mother begged the police to talk to Mark and the detective ignored her request. All this information plus documentation is on the website www.TheKeithWarrenJusticeSite.com. Please go and visit the site read the information/documentation and then form opinion

I was going to say, it sounded to me like something along these lines. The thing that really seals it for me though is sending the photos to the family - if you want to randomly snuff someone out, using a comparatively complex method and then sending pics to the family after the fact would be completely off the wall.

Did the friend's death ever get investigated, or his background combed through at least? - No from what my mother told me his family did not want to investigate his death

Where did you find all this info? Have I missed it in the previous pages? You make a compelling case. I just have issues with the swapped clothing, etc. that are in the fact scenario, too. - The information is inaccurate. All documentation and information are on the website www.TheKeithWarrenJusticeSite.com . Below are answers to his question:

If we're going to be honest about cases, let's look at some facts that conveniently get ignored: - PLEASE BE ACCURATE IN THE INFORMATION YOU SHARE

-Keith suffered a "nervous breakdown" (as described by his father) after his parents divorced, and he was hospitalized for four days. -Incorrect Keith suffered a anxieity attack caused by my fathers 2nd wife I have documented proof on the website...Please be accurate in information you share

-Keith moved from North Carolina (where he lived with his father) to Maryland to live with his mother after the hospitalization.- Incorrect Keith moved from Maryland in 1985 to NC to bond with my father and my fathers 2nd wife as a mean and vindictive woman. Keith lived with my dad in NC for 9months- again please be accurate in your information

-Keith's dad bought him a car- incorrect ,The car was one my dad brought in 1976 and preserved it for Keith. which his mother did not approve of. - correct my mother believed the car would attract the wrong crowd.

-Keith was fired from his job on July 21st. - Incorrect- I have a affidavit from employer which states he was not fired. This was a lie from the patrol officer. It took Officer Leverette 5hrs to notify my mother her son was dead when she was only 20min away because he went to Keiths job, the 7-11, and hardware store before he notified mother

-Keith's father called him on July 29th and told him he was taking the car away. His father said he was coming up on the 31st to take the car away. - Incorrect- My father called to discuss transferring the insurance into Keith's name- at this point you are regurgitating everything from the police report. The only issue is you have not mention the Detective used information from a third party, unnamed, unrelated, unidentified source to obtain the information on the police report. So just like the police you are using "HEARSAY" to determine cause of death and then use the "HEARSAY" information to justify sending Keith's body to the funeral home of his choice and no autopsy.

-Keith's car insurance was due on July 31st. - correct

-His mother told the police that she last saw Keith on the 29th. - Correct

-Keith's body was found on the 31st. - His body was found however because of no autopsy or lividity test done there is no definitive date or cause of death.

-Two men were named in the note given to Keith's mother. Mark Finley and another man who's name UM omitted. The other man is still alive today. - correct

-Mark Finley died on a bike path in Wheaton, MD during a early morning bike ride. His front tire fell off and he fell and sustained fatal head injuries. Finley's hands did not have any injuries to them, which many found odd, since if he fell off of his bike, the natural reaction would be to brace yourself from a fall with your hands. But this works both ways. If Finley was followed and beaten to death, where are his defensive wounds? - Incorrect-Marks body was found behind his bike and witness( paramedic who responded to the scene and who have signed affidavit that in their opinion it was NOT accident) the document is on the website

-Keith's mother reached out to both Finley and the other man after she got the threatening note. Finley called her back and left his "unload" voicemail. But he never called her back. He died a month after he left the voicemail. - You failed to mention the part about how I took the tape to MCMPD and gave it to Detective Beasley and the tape is now missing...

-The paramedic who responded to the 911 call said in a sworn affidavit that he was responding to a call about a "possible attempted suicide by hanging". While the paramedic does believe that Keith's death was not a suicide, he also never mentions anything about there being a call about a suicide in a basement or residence. - Incorrect- he told both my mother and our private investigator the first time it came over his radio the explanation was the body was in the basement of the house. You also failed to mention the same paramedic said he walked around Keith's body for 10min trying to figure out how Keith would have used 2 trees and 2 ropes to hang himself and couldn't find nothing. You also failed to mention how the same paramedic signed affidavit that he believed Keith was strung up on the tree. The document is on the website..

-No bruises, cuts, or abrasions were found on Keith's body. - correct

-High traces of TCE was found in Keith's body after it was exhumed. TCE is (or was) common in embalming fluid. Incorrect- per my mother's investigation and the paperwork from Colins funeral home "TCE" was NOT used in their "Power Pack" when they embalmed Keith's body.

So taking all of this into account, if you don't subscribe to suicide as a possibility, Keith had to have been murdered roughly a week after he lost his job and on the same day his father told him he was coming to take his car away. - So taking into account you like to spread inaccurate information, try reading the information and then sharing.
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Very interesting...

While this could be evidence as reason(s) for suicide, it also could indicate that Keith was possibly selling drugs for money and/or borrowed money from someone (since he lost his job and needed money for car insurance). That also goes along with the people who were looking for him and Mark Finlay having information about what was going on.

I still believe the whole story is way too fishy for suicide but the information you shared is important and does paint a little different picture.
"TheCars1986" is inaccurate in his statement. Please go to www.TheKeithWarrenJusticeSite.com and read the information.

If we're going to be honest about cases, let's look at some facts that conveniently get ignored: - PLEASE BE ACCURATE IN THE INFORMATION YOU SHARE

-Keith suffered a "nervous breakdown" (as described by his father) after his parents divorced, and he was hospitalized for four days. -Incorrect Keith suffered a anxieity attack caused by my fathers 2nd wife I have documented proof on the website...Please be accurate in information you share

-Keith moved from North Carolina (where he lived with his father) to Maryland to live with his mother after the hospitalization.- Incorrect Keith moved from Maryland in 1985 to NC to bond with my father and my fathers 2nd wife as a mean and vindictive woman. Keith lived with my dad in NC for 9months- again please be accurate in your information

-Keith's dad bought him a car- incorrect ,The car was one my dad brought in 1976 and preserved it for Keith. which his mother did not approve of. - correct my mother believed the car would attract the wrong crowd.

-Keith was fired from his job on July 21st. - Incorrect- I have a affidavit from employer which states he was not fired. This was a lie from the patrol officer. It took Officer Leverette 5hrs to notify my mother her son was dead when she was only 20min away because he went to Keiths job, the 7-11, and hardware store before he notified mother

-Keith's father called him on July 29th and told him he was taking the car away. His father said he was coming up on the 31st to take the car away. - Incorrect- My father called to discuss transferring the insurance into Keith's name- at this point you are regurgitating everything from the police report. The only issue is you have not mention the Detective used information from a third party, unnamed, unrelated, unidentified source to obtain the information on the police report. So just like the police you are using "HEARSAY" to determine cause of death and then use the "HEARSAY" information to justify sending Keith's body to the funeral home of his choice and no autopsy.

-Keith's car insurance was due on July 31st. - correct

-His mother told the police that she last saw Keith on the 29th. - Correct

-Keith's body was found on the 31st. - His body was found however because of no autopsy or lividity test done there is no definitive date or cause of death.

-Two men were named in the note given to Keith's mother. Mark Finley and another man who's name UM omitted. The other man is still alive today. - correct

-Mark Finley died on a bike path in Wheaton, MD during a early morning bike ride. His front tire fell off and he fell and sustained fatal head injuries. Finley's hands did not have any injuries to them, which many found odd, since if he fell off of his bike, the natural reaction would be to brace yourself from a fall with your hands. But this works both ways. If Finley was followed and beaten to death, where are his defensive wounds? - Incorrect-Marks body was found behind his bike and witness( paramedic who responded to the scene and who have signed affidavit that in their opinion it was NOT accident) the document is on the website

-Keith's mother reached out to both Finley and the other man after she got the threatening note. Finley called her back and left his "unload" voicemail. But he never called her back. He died a month after he left the voicemail. - You failed to mention the part about how I took the tape to MCMPD and gave it to Detective Beasley and the tape is now missing...

-The paramedic who responded to the 911 call said in a sworn affidavit that he was responding to a call about a "possible attempted suicide by hanging". While the paramedic does believe that Keith's death was not a suicide, he also never mentions anything about there being a call about a suicide in a basement or residence. - Incorrect- he told both my mother and our private investigator the first time it came over his radio the explanation was the body was in the basement of the house. You also failed to mention the same paramedic said he walked around Keith's body for 10min trying to figure out how Keith would have used 2 trees and 2 ropes to hang himself and couldn't find nothing. You also failed to mention how the same paramedic signed affidavit that he believed Keith was strung up on the tree. The document is on the website..

-No bruises, cuts, or abrasions were found on Keith's body. - correct

-High traces of TCE was found in Keith's body after it was exhumed. TCE is (or was) common in embalming fluid. Incorrect- per my mother's investigation and the paperwork from Colins funeral home "TCE" was NOT used in their "Power Pack" when they embalmed Keith's body.

So taking all of this into account, if you don't subscribe to suicide as a possibility, Keith had to have been murdered roughly a week after he lost his job and on the same day his father told him he was coming to take his car away. -

The PI also said it looked like his face was hit with a car or smashed in by a baseball bat. - The paramedic on scene signed sworn affadavit to that affect that Mark looked as if he was beaten



He was found loaded with chemicals, and were wearing clothes that weren't his. There was also dirt found in his hair. It's obvious he was met with foul play or someone put him there. - Please visit www.TheKeithWarrenJusticeSite.com . The funeral home which the Detective choose to send Keith's body provided documention which is on the website showing they did not use TCE in their "power packs".




You make a good case for suicide, but you glossed over the fact that the three men were looking for him, he were wearing clothes that weren't his, and he had dirt in his hair. He was put there. If his car was infact being taken away, then that to me, given with that we already know, sounds like he was possibly dealing drugs to keep/get another car and was killed. "TheCars1986" is using the same techniques as the police did and ignore the one key question.....

"WHAT AT 130PM ON THE AFTERNOON OF JULY 31ST DID DETECTIVE BEASLEY SEE TO PROVE THAT THIS WAS A SUICIDE?"

ANSWER: NOTHING- Keith's body should have gone to the county morgue or coroners office not the funeral home of the detective choice.

All available on the Keith Warren website (it was possibly on the other website server which has since changed), and various articles from local newspapers. Unfortunately a lot of the stuff on the website is gone. This (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=196442&page=3&highlight=keith+warren) other thread has a discussion about these things.

His autopsy report (here (https://keithwarrenjusticesite.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/full-autopsy-report-keith-warren.pdf)) states: The correct website is www.TheKeithWarrenJusticesite.com



IIRC, the police report mentioned a bag with a change of clothes being found in his car. And we have to remember that his mother was looking at these pictures 6 years after Keith's death. Her memory on what clothes he wore or left in that day would certainly be a little fuzzy. - There is no clothing mention on the police report. Supposedly the police/detective didnt even know where Keith's car was. They never searched his car.

I've probably brought this up before but why didn't Mark Finley ever make that trip to the Warren's house to 'unload' like he said he would? - Correct his was killed before he "made it to my house"

If I'm Keith's mother, I'm calling him back again and saying, "Um, you promised to unload. Why aren't you unloading?'" - My mother did that she even went to the police department. I personally took the tape to the police and gave it to the detective and now its missing.

A whole month passes before his death and he makes no more contact with Keith's family. Was it simply him changing his mind and cutting off all contact? - No one but Mark can answer that question.

What happened during that month? - No one but Mark can answer that question.

Everyone overlooks the most damning question:

WHAT AT 130 ON THE AFTERNOON OF JULY 31ST DID DECTECTIVE BEASLEY SEE AT THAT CRIME SCENE TO CLASSIFY IT AS A SUICIDE AND THEN SEND THE BODY TO THE FUNERAL HOME OF HIS CHOICE ORDERING NO AUTOPSY?"

She was notified of his death after he was already taken to a funeral home. She never saw the body at the scene. - My mother was notified 5hrs after his body was found and was already at the funeral home. Keiths body was sent to the funeral home by 2pm.

Wasn't she there when his body was found in the backyard? Wouldn't she obviously have known that the clothes weren't his when he was first found? - Keiths body was found approximately 500 yards from our house in our neighborhood at 130pm. My mother was at work. Keith's body was found at approx 130pm my mother was notified at 5pm at her job at Walter Reed 20min down the road. There is no mention of clothing in the police report. The explanation given in 2012 concerning the clothing from MCMPD was that my brother took a change of clothing, 1 40 foot rope, 2 pack of wine cooler, and a duffle bag of tapes walked 450 feet from where his car was parked to hang himself.

Until she got the pictures. :eek: :eek: - Correct

I don't know if his mother lied about the note. I wasn't insinuating that. My point was that since she claimed the note was stolen, and that the other guy went to the police to report her, it doesn't seem like this other guy took her seriously enough to fear for his life. And if the note was never found, it couldn't be verified. It's also important to remember that Mark didn't call Keith's mother until 2 months after finding out that his name was mentioned in the note (according to UM). Prior to Mark's death, no one outside of Mark, Keith's mother, and Keith's sister knew about the existence of the voice mail he left on the mother's answering machine. And if someone else did know about it, why wait a month before killing him? - The only person that can explain Marks actions is Mark. You seem to have a lot to say about human nature and how one responds to situation without having prior interaction or knowledge of that person.

And why aren't friends or family members of Mark pushing the murder in connection with Keith's death? - I have explained this in one of my many responses to your inaccurate information

And since you have a lot to say about things relating to Keith death.... please explain "WHAT AT 130 ON THE AFTERNOON OF JULY 31ST DID DETECTIVE BEASLEY SEE AT THAT CRIME SCENE TO CLASSIFY IT AS A SUICIDE AND THEN SEND THE BODY TO THE FUNERAL HOME OF HIS CHOICE ORDERING NO AUTOPSY?"

Why was Detective Beasley able to use "hearsay" information from a third party, unrelated, undocumented, un verified source to back up his determination as sucide? This was confirmed in writing from MCMPD in 2014 and the documentation is on the website.... www.TheKeithWarrenJusticesite.com

So in 1986 if I walked by a crime scene being investigated by MCMPD and told the detective the victim was a drug dealer and walked away.... per their explanation in 2014 that information could have been used against the victim.

Really? I've never heard any of that.

My head is spinning now. I don't blame Keith's mother for constantly trying to get answers from this person. Why not do the same with Mark Finley?

I also understand why she wouldn't trust the police, which is the only reason I can think of for her not turning the note into them the day it arrived on her doorstep.

But why would she keep that note in her car? And how would someone know to even look in her car to steal it? That makes no sense. - My mother kept the entire file in her car because she was going to meet her private investigator and thought the items would be safe in her car. The answers to "TheCars1986" questions are below. Please visit www.TheKeithWarrenJusticesite.com

If we're going to be honest about cases, let's look at some facts that conveniently get ignored: - PLEASE BE ACCURATE IN THE INFORMATION YOU SHARE

-Keith suffered a "nervous breakdown" (as described by his father) after his parents divorced, and he was hospitalized for four days. -Incorrect Keith suffered a anxieity attack caused by my fathers 2nd wife I have documented proof on the website...Please be accurate in information you share

-Keith moved from North Carolina (where he lived with his father) to Maryland to live with his mother after the hospitalization.- Incorrect Keith moved from Maryland in 1985 to NC to bond with my father and my fathers 2nd wife as a mean and vindictive woman. Keith lived with my dad in NC for 9months- again please be accurate in your information

-Keith's dad bought him a car- incorrect ,The car was one my dad brought in 1976 and preserved it for Keith. which his mother did not approve of. - correct my mother believed the car would attract the wrong crowd.

-Keith was fired from his job on July 21st. - Incorrect- I have a affidavit from employer which states he was not fired. This was a lie from the patrol officer. It took Officer Leverette 5hrs to notify my mother her son was dead when she was only 20min away because he went to Keiths job, the 7-11, and hardware store before he notified mother

-Keith's father called him on July 29th and told him he was taking the car away. His father said he was coming up on the 31st to take the car away. - Incorrect- My father called to discuss transferring the insurance into Keith's name- at this point you are regurgitating everything from the police report. The only issue is you have not mention the Detective used information from a third party, unnamed, unrelated, unidentified source to obtain the information on the police report. So just like the police you are using "HEARSAY" to determine cause of death and then use the "HEARSAY" information to justify sending Keith's body to the funeral home of his choice and no autopsy.

-Keith's car insurance was due on July 31st. - correct

-His mother told the police that she last saw Keith on the 29th. - Correct

-Keith's body was found on the 31st. - His body was found however because of no autopsy or lividity test done there is no definitive date or cause of death.

-Two men were named in the note given to Keith's mother. Mark Finley and another man who's name UM omitted. The other man is still alive today. - correct

-Mark Finley died on a bike path in Wheaton, MD during a early morning bike ride. His front tire fell off and he fell and sustained fatal head injuries. Finley's hands did not have any injuries to them, which many found odd, since if he fell off of his bike, the natural reaction would be to brace yourself from a fall with your hands. But this works both ways. If Finley was followed and beaten to death, where are his defensive wounds? - Incorrect-Marks body was found behind his bike and witness( paramedic who responded to the scene and who have signed affidavit that in their opinion it was NOT accident) the document is on the website

-Keith's mother reached out to both Finley and the other man after she got the threatening note. Finley called her back and left his "unload" voicemail. But he never called her back. He died a month after he left the voicemail. - You failed to mention the part about how I took the tape to MCMPD and gave it to Detective Beasley and the tape is now missing...

-The paramedic who responded to the 911 call said in a sworn affidavit that he was responding to a call about a "possible attempted suicide by hanging". While the paramedic does believe that Keith's death was not a suicide, he also never mentions anything about there being a call about a suicide in a basement or residence. - Incorrect- he told both my mother and our private investigator the first time it came over his radio the explanation was the body was in the basement of the house. You also failed to mention the same paramedic said he walked around Keith's body for 10min trying to figure out how Keith would have used 2 trees and 2 ropes to hang himself and couldn't find nothing. You also failed to mention how the same paramedic signed affidavit that he believed Keith was strung up on the tree. The document is on the website..

-No bruises, cuts, or abrasions were found on Keith's body. - correct

-High traces of TCE was found in Keith's body after it was exhumed. TCE is (or was) common in embalming fluid. Incorrect- per my mother's investigation and the paperwork from Colins funeral home "TCE" was NOT used in their "Power Pack" when they embalmed Keith's body.

So taking all of this into account, if you don't subscribe to suicide as a possibility, Keith had to have been murdered roughly a week after he lost his job and on the same day his father told him he was coming to take his car away. –

This is what she says in her personal notes about the case:



Source (https://keithwarrenjusticesite.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/personal-notes005.pdf) The correct website is www.TheKeithWarrenJusticesite.com

What I find odd is that there is no mention at all about the voice mail that Finley left her. - Inaccurate, it was not a "voicemail" it was a recording left on our answering machine. I then took the tape to MCMPD and gave it to Detective Beasley thinking I was doing something right. I was a minor at the time and could not speak officially with anyone without my mom. The tape came up missing like the noose (we got the rope back but not the noose) which MCMPD has admitted they lost.

Found an interesting e-mail exchange Keith's sister posted to websleuths 3 years ago. You can find it here (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?129442-MD-Keith-Warren-19-Silver-Spring-30-July-1986/page8). The highlights:

-Keith's clothing was given to his family by the funeral home, not the police. - I never said that. We received his clothing from the police who claim they got them from the funeral home, however the funeral stated the only personal items they removed from the scene was the body and the clothing on the body. This is also on the website.

-The medical examiner, not the police department, concluded that an autopsy was not necessary. This was prior to Maryland adopting a law in which autopsies were required for deaths that were initially deemed suicides. - It has NEVER been proven Keith's body was examined by anyone with a medical background. There is no definitive date or time of death and the Coroner went as far a lying on his report saying he spoke to me. I was a minor and was not in the state at the time.

-While trying to find Keith's relatives, a detective interviewed a neighbor who had "provided information related to Keith's prior mental history". You like to spread lies... it is on the website on the original email to me from MCMPD Major Jones that Detective Beasley used information from a undocumented, unrelated, and unknown source basically used "hearsay".

-A rep from the funeral home was questioned and said that Keith's body was not embalmed until the family gave permission the next day. - it is in Detective Beasley notes given to me in 2014 he called Collins funeral home at 10am on Friday 8/1 and was told the body was processed. My uncle did not identify the body until 1pm

-The Chief of the ISB (different agency from the Montgomery County PD) authorized the tree to be cut down for further analysis. The tree was taken because of the issues raised by Keith's family. "The tree was examined for burn marks that would have indicated hoisting by another individual and no such marks were found. This case was determined closed at the time the tree was cut down." - You like to omit certain information. The tree was cut down 1 month after Keith's death. Detective Beasley told my mother the case was closed 1 day after the body was found. There is no pictures or information on this mystery branch. And Now Im convinced you work for MCMPD because I nor my mother have EVER mention ISB in any conversation.

-The medical examiner was at the scene, and he was the one who ruled the death a suicide. - If in fact he was there why is there no definitive time or day of death?

Wow.

That's awful. But I may check the pictures out. Not gonna lie.

EDIT: Okay, I looked. No way was that suicide. I think Cars makes some really great points, but (sorry for the detail that's coming) the rope looks all wrong around his neck. It looks like someone threw the noose around his neck after he was unconscious or already dead. Reading the autopsy report now. Thanks for the link. - I believe "Cars" works for MCMPD or is affiliated because he missed quoted me and used a term that me or my mother ever used and even knew about in relation to MCMPD

@freakbook @JannTosh @ToddMueller @HotJock @LookslikeCRicci @Huskerz85 @dynogay88 @Ontariobi thank you for contiuing to keep Keiths name a topic of conversation. I would caution you to be aware of "TheCars1986". I believe "Cars" works/worked for MCMPD or is affiliated because he missed quoted me and used a term that me or my mother ever used and even knew about in relation to MCMPD. I am a supporter of freedom of speech, however when false information is given to mislead that is a problem for me. Please visit www.TheKeithWarrenJusticesite.com for documentation and verifiable information. I would be very careful in the information given by "TheCars1986". I believe he is confident that no one will fact check him and he is into "alternative facts". Once he missed quoted me, I now have a major issue with him and whatever his opinion may be.

PLEASE BE ACCURATE IN THE INFORMATION YOU SHARE

Everything I've shared was made public on various websites devoted to Keith Warren's case, as well as a forum you posted on over at websleuths.

Incorrect Keith suffered a anxieity attack caused by my fathers 2nd wife I have documented proof on the website...Please be accurate in information you share

I quoted directly from his autopsy report.

Incorrect Keith moved from Maryland in 1985 to NC to bond with my father and my fathers 2nd wife as a mean and vindictive woman. Keith lived with my dad in NC for 9months- again please be accurate in your information

All of this information came from the police reports on the case.

incorrect ,The car was one my dad brought in 1976 and preserved it for Keith. which his mother did not approve of. - correct my mother believed the car would attract the wrong crowd.

That's literally the same thing as buying him a car.

I have a affidavit from employer which states he was not fired. This was a lie from the patrol officer. It took Officer Leverette 5hrs to notify my mother her son was dead when she was only 20min away because he went to Keiths job, the 7-11, and hardware store before he notified mother

This information is in the police report.

at this point you are regurgitating everything from the police report.

Because this information is not well known due to the misrepresentation the Unsolved Mysteries segment did.

His body was found however because of no autopsy or lividity test done there is no definitive date or cause of death.

I've never disputed this.

Incorrect-Marks body was found behind his bike and witness( paramedic who responded to the scene and who have signed affidavit that in their opinion it was NOT accident) the document is on the website

I've acknowledged that people believed that Finley's condition caused them to think he was beaten to death. That does not mean that he was. Nor does it explain why he never contacted your mother again for the 2 months after his voicemail before his death.

You failed to mention the part about how I took the tape to MCMPD and gave it to Detective Beasley and the tape is now missing...

I was unaware of that. And it's kind of an irrelevant point.

Incorrect- he told both my mother and our private investigator the first time it came over his radio the explanation was the body was in the basement of the house. You also failed to mention the same paramedic said he walked around Keith's body for 10min trying to figure out how Keith would have used 2 trees and 2 ropes to hang himself and couldn't find nothing. You also failed to mention how the same paramedic signed affidavit that he believed Keith was strung up on the tree. The document is on the website..

I didn't fail to mention anything. He failed to mention any of those things in his sworn affidavit, which I quoted in full.

Incorrect- per my mother's investigation and the paperwork from Colins funeral home "TCE" was NOT used in their "Power Pack" when they embalmed Keith's body.

The Chief Medical Examiner of Baltimore said that San Veino was used in the embalming process. San Veino contains TCE.

I would caution you to be aware of "TheCars1986". I believe "Cars" works/worked for MCMPD or is affiliated because he missed quoted me and used a term that me or my mother ever used and even knew about in relation to MCMPD. I would be very careful in the information given by "TheCars1986". I believe he is confident that no one will fact check him and he is into "alternative facts". Once he missed quoted me, I now have a major issue with him and whatever his opinion may be.

My mother was 4 months pregnant with me at the time of Keith's death. I do not work nor have I ever worked for any law enforcement agency. Most of my "alternative facts" came from various sources of documentation from YOUR various websites, as well as 2 or 3 articles from the Washington Post. I've sourced and noted my information. If you have issues with that, that's okay by me. I am sorry for the loss of your brother, and your mother. But that doesn't mean that I have to agree with you about the cause of your brother's death.

Everything I've shared was made public on various websites devoted to Keith Warren's case, as well as a forum you posted on over at websleuths.



I quoted directly from his autopsy report. - You are a person that will read something put your own spin on it and then apply it to the situation to make your point. The "AUTOPSY' you are referring to is the one my Mother paid for.



All of this information came from the police reports on the case. - If you go to the website you will find documentation from an internal investigation that questions the information on the police report by those working for MCMPD



That's literally the same thing as buying him a car. - ok so we are going to play semantics... the car was brought 10yrs prior to his death



This information is in the police report. - Please see prior response- if you are going to be biased when you "quote" something then you are one sided in your opinion



Because this information is not well known due to the misrepresentation the Unsolved Mysteries segment did. - Unlike you... UM did do research and chose not to use information that was not verifiable. If you call that "misrepresentation" then what do you call yourself doing when you mis-quote me and put our half truth's



I've never disputed this.



I've acknowledged that people believed that Finley's condition caused them to think he was beaten to death. That does not mean that he was. Nor does it explain why he never contacted your mother again for the 2 months after his voicemail before his death. - Again unless you spoke to Mark Finely directly you cannot speak on his mind set or dispute the fact that I personally heard the message, took the tape to MCMPD and gave it Detective Beasley and now the tape like the noose is missing.



I was unaware of that. And it's kind of an irrelevant point. - Its an irrelevant point when it does not fit into your box.



I didn't fail to mention anything. He failed to mention any of those things in his sworn affidavit, which I quoted in full. - Once again you go off of half information and form opinion. I spoke directly to him directly and I know the situation. So because you are not aware of it, it dosent matter and you discredit it. I feel for any other familes and their loved ones on the forum you have addressed.



The Chief Medical Examiner of Baltimore said that San Veino was used in the embalming process. San Veino contains TCE. - Just like the Chief Medical Examiner DIDNOT do autopsy. So now yiou are arguing the information given by the funeral home which actually did the autopsy. Again it is unfortunate.



My mother was 4 months pregnant with me at the time of Keith's death. I do not work nor have I ever worked for any law enforcement agency. Most of my "alternative facts" came from various sources of documentation from YOUR various websites, as well as 2 or 3 articles from the Washington Post. I've sourced and noted my information. If you have issues with that, that's okay by me. I am sorry for the loss of your brother, and your mother. But that doesn't mean that I have to agree with you about the cause of your brother's death. - I am not asking for your approval. What I am asking for is if you ever "quote" me again you are correct. I was not there, I cannot for 100% sure say Keith "didnot" do it, taking emotion and relation away from the bigger picture "ALL" evidence, actions, and words show proof Detective Beasley did everything in his power to change the narrative of my brother death to fit nicely in his box of lies and deceit."

You are a person that will read something put your own spin on it and then apply it to the situation to make your point. The "AUTOPSY' you are referring to is the one my Mother paid for.

I literally quoted the exact lines from the autopsy report. From YOUR website here (https://keithwarrenjusticesite.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/full-autopsy-report-keith-warren.pdf).

If you go to the website you will find documentation from an internal investigation that questions the information on the police report by those working for MCMPD

And yet, multiple law enforcement agencies have reviewed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1993/04/08/mother-seeks-probe-of-sons-suicide/ff73559d-43aa-4d5c-85cb-90851a17a4b8/?utm_term=.8a1efb1f851e) this case numerous (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/sister-on-mission-to-prove-brother-didnt-take-his-own-life/2012/02/17/gIQATe2ZAS_story.html?utm_term=.8c85d714f7b3) times and have all reached the same conclusion.

Please see prior response- if you are going to be biased when you "quote" something then you are one sided in your opinion

I'm not understanding how quoting something from a document is somehow biased.

Unlike you... UM did do research and chose not to use information that was not verifiable. If you call that "misrepresentation" then what do you call yourself doing when you mis-quote me and put our half truth's

I call me just some random dude who enjoys UM, flaws and all.

Again unless you spoke to Mark Finely directly you cannot speak on his mind set or dispute the fact that I personally heard the message, took the tape to MCMPD and gave it Detective Beasley and now the tape like the noose is missing.

They literally told you back in 2012 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?129442-MD-Keith-Warren-19-Silver-Spring-30-July-1986/page8), as provided by you:

The noose was not lost but believed to be destroyed in evidence as a result of being involved in a closed case. This is normal procedure for evidence involved in these types of cases. There is documentation that a Chief directed early in the investigation not to release the noose to your mother. We have no further documentation related to this matter or decision.

Its an irrelevant point when it does not fit into your box.

I mean it's irrelevant to the fact as to what Keith's cause of death was.

Once again you go off of half information and form opinion. I spoke directly to him directly and I know the situation. So because you are not aware of it, it dosent matter and you discredit it. I feel for any other familes and their loved ones on the forum you have addressed.

I don't discredit anything. I've never said he didn't doubt Keith's death was a suicide. I said he made no mention that a call came in to a body in a basement on it. And I linked the actual affidavit.

Just like the Chief Medical Examiner DIDNOT do autopsy. So now yiou are arguing the information given by the funeral home which actually did the autopsy. Again it is unfortunate.

Here's (https://keithwarrenjusticesite.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/meeting-with-md-sec-of-health-1995.pdf) a record of a meeting it appears your mother had with the MD Secretary of Health.

There were two reports (Dr. Mihalakis' and Dr. Mason's); the pathologist reported no injuries to the body; the only mark was that of the ligature. This is consistent with Dr. Rogers' report (which also mentioned) maggots; (thus the) funeral home used SanVeino to delay decomposition. As for the other chemicals, benzene (wrong), toluene... in 1986 there was no (MSDS) requirement .. so it is likely they were contained in SanVeino...

If someone had subdued (Keith Warren) - but we saw no injury - we have no experience with the use of multiple chemicals... the use of two chemicals, maybe. it was more likely from the embalmer.

I am not asking for your approval. What I am asking for is if you ever "quote" me again you are correct. I was not there, I cannot for 100% sure say Keith "didnot" do it, taking emotion and relation away from the bigger picture "ALL" evidence, actions, and words show proof Detective Beasley did everything in his power to change the narrative of my brother death to fit nicely in his box of lies and deceit."

I have quoted your website and documentation extensively. Just because I read the information and have reached a different conclusion does not mean I am misquoting or misrepresenting anything. Look, I get where you are coming from. It appears like the detective on the scene wanted to close the case as quickly as possible and move on. But IMO, that does not mean that his initial reaction was incorrect. And Dr. Rogers, the medical examiner, was the one who declined to due an autopsy, because he too believed Keith's death was a suicide.

Sherri - I’m very sorry about the loss of your brother. I can’t imagine losing a sibling, especially under such horrible circumstances. You have my deepest sympathies.

I have a question and if you don’t want to answer, I understand. (I also apologize if this has been asked before). Why is your father so against continuing the investigation? Is he just fed up or does he think Keith really committed suicide? Does his opinion have anything to do with him being a former cop? I’m not trying to bring up any family pain — I’m just honestly curious why he took such a different path than you and your mom.

Good luck with your pursuit for the truth. I hope one day you will find the answers you seek, and I hope that brings you peace.

Sherri - I’m very sorry about the loss of your brother. I can’t imagine losing a sibling, especially under such horrible circumstances. You have my deepest sympathies.

I have a question and if you don’t want to answer, I understand. (I also apologize if this has been asked before). Why is your father so against continuing the investigation? Is he just fed up or does he think Keith really committed suicide? Does his opinion have anything to do with him being a former cop? I’m not trying to bring up any family pain — I’m just honestly curious why he took such a different path than you and your mom.

Good luck with your pursuit for the truth. I hope one day you will find the answers you seek, and I hope that brings you peace. Thank you for being considerate and respectful in your question. This situation has torn my family apart and I choose not to speak on my father and respect his privacy. I choose to stay on task and base my argument and opinion on facts related to the actions by the Detective and the responding officer that seem to get convoluted in the discussion..

Thank you for being considerate and respectful in your question. This situation has torn my family apart and I choose not to speak on my father and respect his privacy. I choose to stay on task and base my argument and opinion on facts related to the actions by the Detective and the responding officer that seem to get convoluted in the discussion..

I understand, and I appreciate the reply.

I literally quoted the exact lines from the autopsy report. From YOUR website here (https://keithwarrenjusticesite.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/full-autopsy-report-keith-warren.pdf). - "Clinical history is in contention......" No where did it say Keith was suicidal..



And yet, multiple law enforcement agencies have reviewed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1993/04/08/mother-seeks-probe-of-sons-suicide/ff73559d-43aa-4d5c-85cb-90851a17a4b8/?utm_term=.8a1efb1f851e) this case numerous (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/sister-on-mission-to-prove-brother-didnt-take-his-own-life/2012/02/17/gIQATe2ZAS_story.html?utm_term=.8c85d714f7b3) times and have all reached the same conclusion. - I have several LE officals who have reviewed this and have said this was mishandled and needs to be reopen as a murder. Like I was told by someone working for the Washington post, there was a since of relief when my mom passed away because MCMPD thought that along with her death, this situation would go away. I was also told that News is sometimes selective is their pursuits because they dont want to piss off local law enforcement because it will then shut them out of any breaking news/ news headlines. You are not privy to everything just as Im not.



I'm not understanding how quoting something from a document is somehow biased.



I call me just some random dude who enjoys UM, flaws and all.



They literally told you back in 2012 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?129442-MD-Keith-Warren-19-Silver-Spring-30-July-1986/page8), as provided by you:





I mean it's irrelevant to the fact as to what Keith's cause of death was.



I don't discredit anything. I've never said he didn't doubt Keith's death was a suicide. I said he made no mention that a call came in to a body in a basement on it. And I linked the actual affidavit. - What you said was it was not on the affidavit and so because it was not on the affidavit you read it didnt apply,



Here's (https://keithwarrenjusticesite.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/meeting-with-md-sec-of-health-1995.pdf) a record of a meeting it appears your mother had with the MD Secretary of Health. -FYI over time new information and evidence will come to light and you made my point. you will read something from 22yrs ago use it as fact and then run with it.





I have quoted your website and documentation extensively. Just because I read the information and have reached a different conclusion does not mean I am misquoting or misrepresenting anything. Look, I get where you are coming from. It appears like the detective on the scene wanted to close the case as quickly as possible and move on. But IMO, that does not mean that his initial reaction was incorrect. And Dr. Rogers, the medical examiner, was the one who declined to due an autopsy, because he too believed Keith's death was a suicide.- Based off of the actions of the detective alone is the entire reason why we are having this conversation, so you cannot dismiss the actions of MCMPD and yes we can say that 90% of the issue is lack of them not doing a thorough job. Once again and to repeat there is no confirmation Rogers didnt get his information over the phone from the detective. If in fact Rogers was on scene why is it that the officer pronounced Keith dead? The officers name is on the death certificate as the one who pronounced Keith dead. You then get to the issue of why not do the job (detective beasley) you are paid to do? It is called cause/effect. If the detective had even remotely tried to do an efficient job 90% of the question poised would have answers. Once again Im am not looking for your approval or sympathy what I am looking for and will stay on task is that justice and accountability be given in the death of my brother and my mothers struggle.

- I believe "Cars" works for MCMPD or is affiliated because he missed quoted me and used a term that me or my mother ever used and even knew about in relation to MCMPD

Not a good belief. The odds of him working for MCMPD are equal likelihood of Donald Trump's approval rating rising to unanimous 100% tomorrow. Cars applies the same style on every case. He pursues every new article or tidbit among cases that interest him most. He has a ton of energy and opinion. Consequently he'll often use phrases like, "I'm starting to think...," when he's gathered another boatload of (supposed) information on a case, and it's triggered something to change his opinion.

On this forum the threads remain available so it's hardly atypical to read a post from 2005 and then another from the current year by the same poster. You can see the evolution of thought and when/how it happened. That is virtually unheard of on other sites, where threads are locked and archived so nothing but recent contributions are available.

Due to your family tragedy I suspect you read the Keith Warren threads and don't pay much attention to other cases discussed here. If you did sample other threads, you'd note that Cars applies the familiar style time after time. Evolving opinions even though nothing has changed in the case for 20 or 30 or 40 years. It's not my preferred technique -- to say the least -- but I respect it.

Not a good belief. The odds of him working for MCMPD are equal likelihood of Donald Trump's approval rating rising to unanimous 100% tomorrow. Cars applies the same style on every case. He pursues every new article or tidbit among cases that interest him most. He has a ton of energy and opinion. Consequently he'll often use phrases like, "I'm starting to think...," when he's gathered another boatload of (supposed) information on a case, and it's triggered something to change his opinion.

On this forum the threads remain available so it's hardly atypical to read a post from 2005 and then another from the current year by the same poster. You can see the evolution of thought and when/how it happened. That is virtually unheard of on other sites, where threads are locked and archived so nothing but recent contributions are available.

Due to your family tragedy I suspect you read the Keith Warren threads and don't pay much attention to other cases discussed here. If you did sample other threads, you'd note that Cars applies the familiar style time after time. Evolving opinions even though nothing has changed in the case for 20 or 30 or 40 years. It's not my preferred technique -- to say the least -- but I respect it. - I respect the train of thought and appreciate the conversation and multiple view point....however I know for fact "TheCars1986" has a direct connection to LE not necessarily MCMPD, which goes back to one of my earlier points which is until Law Enforcement brings down the wall of "blue silence" and fellow officers start calling to the carpet wrong/misbehavior of fellow LE we will continue to have conversations like this and apply it to other situations.

I have always felt that Keith was murdered and it was not a case of suicide. Also haven't seen the police photos in a while but a few things stood out to me if I remember correctly
1) it looked like Keith had been hoisted up
2) he had leaves on his back and maybe his hair as if lying on the ground and then lifted up
3) the rope and setup seemed too elaborate for a suicide although not entirely impossible but still seem highly unlikely

Just the photos alone (to me) look like murder and not suicide. Haven't watched the case in a while but plan to watch it again tonight

- I respect the train of thought and appreciate the conversation and multiple view point....however I know for fact "TheCars1986" has a direct connection to LE not necessarily MCMPD, which goes back to one of my earlier points which is until Law Enforcement brings down the wall of "blue silence" and fellow officers start calling to the carpet wrong/misbehavior of fellow LE we will continue to have conversations like this and apply it to other situations.

Can you please share with us how you know for sure that TheCars1986 has a direct connection to LE?

As Cars stated in a different thread in the many Keith Warren threads that have been commented on in the last few days, he was about 4 months old when Keith Warren died.

He has explained where he has gotten his information. I do not take from his replies that he is affiliated in any way with law enforcement. As Awsi Dooger pointed out, Cars has made numerous analysis of several cases profiled on UM. I can think of several, actually, where he has flat out said that law enforcement has botched the case or that police officers have been hiding information. Based on that knowledge, I'm not comfortable with the suggestion that Cars is trying to hide behind the Blue Wall of Silence.

I appreciate Awsi's comments. I could not have said it better myself. I think the point has been made that Keith's sister and several other posters disagree with his ultimate assessment of the case. I feel it's safe to say that we can move on and discuss those differences of opinions rather than to question the motives of a particular poster.

I also want it to be known that I say everything I just said while still maintaining the belief that Keith did not commit suicide. I don't know if his death was an accident or if he was murdered, but I do not believe he killed himself, even though Cars has made a very compelling argument for suicide.

Can you please share with us how you know for sure that TheCars1986 has a direct connection to LE?

Don't do that, my secret could finally get out.

Can you please share with us how you know for sure that TheCars1986 has a direct connection to LE? I will respect the privacy of "TheCars86" but will stand by my previous post which I stated there is a direct connect to law enforcement.

I will respect the privacy of "TheCars86" but will stand by my previous post which I stated there is a direct connect to law enforcement.

I did watch old reruns of Cagney & Lacey when I was a kid, so there's that.

As Cars stated in a different thread in the many Keith Warren threads that have been commented on in the last few days, he was about 4 months old when Keith Warren died.

I wasn't even born yet.

I wasn't even born yet.

That dose not dismiss the fact that one of your immediate family members, associates or friends of family had/has some connection with LE. You are not 12 now so again lets not play with semantic.

I did watch old reruns of Cagney & Lacey when I was a kid, so there's that. Yep you probably did I did as well it was a great show. You probably watched it in the company of a close relative or family friend.

That dose not dismiss the fact that one of your immediate family members, associates or friends of family had/has some connection with LE. You are not 12 now so again lets not play with semantic.

While I don't agree with TheCars, and I think that Keith was hung by someone else, accusing him of being a cop doesn't make sense. It's just his opinion. Save the energy for finding justice for Keith, not accusing him of being a cop.

Constantly accusing him is destroying any credibility you have, and people aren't going to take you seriously.

I did watch old reruns of Cagney & Lacey when I was a kid, so there's that.

I was a Spencer For Hire fan myself. The reason behind me becoming a private detective. I'm still looking for a sidekick like Hawk.

While I don't agree with TheCars, and I think that Keith was hung by someone else, accusing him of being a cop doesn't make sense. It's just his opinion. Save the energy for finding justice for Keith, not accusing him of being a cop.

Constantly accusing him is destroying any credibility you have, and people aren't going to take you seriously.

Yes, initially I accused him of being a cop, and to be clear I am responding to his post. Just like I addressed him in a prior post, new information can update an opinion. I have information he has a direct affiliation with LE and will stand by that statement. As I said in prior response I will respect his privacy . Unlike Cars, I dont throw out conjecture or half truths break the window and walk away. We can now move on from this topic and he can continue to throw out whatever his opinion my be, however in relation to my family I will continue to challenge him and whatever half truths he like to throw out.

Yep you probably did I did as well it was a great show. You probably watched it in the company of a close relative or family friend.

I've also gotten a DUI back in 2008. So that would have also hampered my ability to become a police officer. Not to mention, had I had connections, I probably would've been able to avoid that pesky little thing known as jail.

I've also gotten a DUI back in 2008. So that would have also hampered my ability to become a police officer. Not to mention, had I had connections, I probably would've been able to avoid that pesky little thing known as jail.

Yes, initially I accused you of being a cop, and to be clear I am responding to your post. Just like I addressed you in a prior post, new information can update any opinion. I have information you have a direct affiliation with LE and will stand by that statement. As I said in prior response I will respect your privacy . Unlike you, I dont throw out conjecture or half truths break the window and walk away. We can now move on from this topic and you can continue to throw out whatever your opinion my be, however in relation to my family I will continue to challenge you and whatever half truths you like to throw out. You have a blessed and positive day.

I have information you have a direct affiliation with LE and will stand by that statement. As I said in prior response I will respect your privacy.

Everyone who knows me outside of this board know that this is absolutely, patently, 100% false.


You have a blessed and positive day.

Thank you, you as well.

Everyone who knows me outside of this board know that this is absolutely, patently, 100% false.

Yep... just like politics is a honest and trust worthy occupation.. again have a blessed day.




Thank you, you as well.

I have information you have a direct affiliation with LE and will stand by that statement.

Give it a rest already. Mr Cars has no hidden agenda here. Hes just another web sleuth opining on a case from a popular tv show. Something he has done for hundreds of cases. I appreciate you wanting justice for your brother. You are coming at it from the wrong angle, however. Get control of your emotions and channel that want in a more constructive way.

Give it a rest already. Mr Cars has no hidden agenda here. Hes just another web sleuth opining on a case from a popular tv show. Something he has done for hundreds of cases. I appreciate you wanting justice for your brother. You are coming at it from the wrong angle, however. Get control of your emotions and channel that want in a more constructive way.

Thank you, you are absolutely correct.

I please ask everyone to take time and read through the information both past (from my mom) and present. As of 2014 new information/documentation received from MCMPD provided proof the detective used hearsay to classify Keith's death as a suicide. Please see below a list of questions to consider:

1. If Keith had ID on him, Leverette had no business speaking to neighbors or showing death photos of deceased. Because at that point ID was not in question—only Death Notification procedures remained. Why did he go to my neighbor’s house and show her a picture of Keith and identify Keith prior to notifying next of kin? Was this policy/procedure in1986?

2. Did MCMPD have a Victim’s Advocate Unit at the time of this incident? From what I understand VAU is supposed to go with a law enforcement officer to family for death notifications. Also, in researching other states and counties, police departments usually do not make death notifications—a sheriff office will do this. I would like to see the policy/procedure in 1986 for Death Notification however supposedly there is no copy of this manual anywhere in the county.

3. If Beasley was on the scene, Leverette, as the initial / first officer on scene handed the scene over to Beasley. So, if Beasley showed up, any investigation of the body, the scene, etc., is the responsibility of Beasley and not Leverette. Beasley should have made the next of kin notification. Why did Leverette go around the neighbor, 711, Hechinger’s, and Keith’s job flashing around a death photo and letting non-family members know of Keith’s death when they had no need to know? Was this policy/procedure of the department?

4. From my understanding that photo of Keith Leverette was using to show everyone was physical evidence and should have been treated as such. Please show me in the Policy and Procedure manual where it was ok for Leverette to carry around evidence and show it to people. Was this policy/procedure

5. There were several violations of procedure, carelessness, lack of judgment on the part of Leverette: scene not taped off, no investigation done to confirm suicide vs. homicide, no autopsy/tox performed, next-of-kin not notified right away, several people notified before my mom, body hastily embalmed w/o ID or authorization of next-of-kin. This was proven in the notes received in 2014 where Beasley noted he called Collins funeral home at 10am and was told “the body was processed”. Was this policy/procedure in 1986? Why was this allowed and was there any disciplinary actions taken against Beasley or Leverette?

6. Why was Leverette doing the interview with my mother rather than Beasley? Was this policy/procedure?

7. During his time with my mom Leverette did not ask for a witness to comfort my mom. A witness is not necessary when interviewing someone. However, asking the grieving if there is someone they can call—PRIOR TO NOTIFICATION—that person would have been there to comfort my mom. This shows Leverette was not versed in interviewing a grieving person. And MCMPD should have known that & not allowed Leverette to do any of the actions he has taken after leaving the scene.


8. Whatever information my mom gave Leverette about Keith should NOT have been taken as fact since it was ONLY hearsay / guessing / opinion. Yes, she was his mother but mothers have bias just like everyone else and they are NOT the best person to ask when it comes to what their children did / did not do or what they were or were not into.
* In other words, everything my mom told Leverette should have been taken with a grain of salt and not as factual information used to determine whether it was a suicide or a homicide.

9. Where was Beasley? Why was Beasley not around and that no one required body identification prior to his body going to the funeral home? From my understanding the photo should not have stood as identification of body…. pictures lie, and from what I have read the grieving can see what is not there or not see what is there (ie: they can misidentify with pictures due to emotional state which is why identification of actual physical body is required….)

One thing, If it was not for TheCars posting and you coming back and replying to him this thread would have been to far at the bottom for me to get to. So in a way he his helping this thread stay active and Keith's case alive. Maybe in not the way you wanted but at least we are learning more.

What do you and the family think happen

One thing, If it was not for TheCars posting and you coming back and replying to him this thread would have been to far at the bottom for me to get to. So in a way he his helping this thread stay active and Keith's case alive. Maybe in not the way you wanted but at least we are learning more.

What do you and the family think happen

Let me first say that I am thankful and grateful that the situation and issues surrounding Keith's death continues to be a topic of conversation.

I believe that Keith was involved with those he thought was his friends. I had a forensic toxicologist review the autopsy my mom had to pay for and his conclusion was that Keith was dead at min 3-4 hours prior to being found based on the chemicals and the path by which he body had process them. Because there was no autopsy or lividty test we dont know the day or time of death. If we use the timeline MCMPD gave then that would put Keith in a wooded area 12am-1am in the morning with no street light to illuminate the area. That would suggest Keith tied a 40 foot rope around 2 trees in a dimly lit are sat and drank 8 wine coolers left the scene momentarily to go throw the bottles away then come back climb 2 trees and find some object in the dark to hang himself.

To give you a definitive answer your question... I cannot. Everything always goes back to the question which has never been answered "What at 130pm on the afternoon of July 31st did Detective Beasley see at that scene to make the determination of suicide? From documents I received and the response from MCMPD Det. Beasley used information from a 3rd party, undoc, unnamed, unrelated source to conclude Keiths death as a suicide.

Ms. Warren,

I apologize if my post caused you any duress. I was NOT criticizing you or any of your family re any beliefs re your brother's horrific death. I was merely stating that I thought UM itself didn't entirely portray your family in a fair light. I pray that one day you will find justice.

Ms. Warren,

I apologize if my post caused you any duress. I was NOT criticizing you or any of your family re any beliefs re your brother's horrific death. I was merely stating that I thought UM itself didn't entirely portray your family in a fair light. I pray that one day you will find justice.

Thank you for kind and considerate note. I appreciate your time and energy in taking the time to send it. I respect the opinions of others and I appreciate this board for continuing to keep Keith's story as a topic of conversation. I take nothing for granted.

I want to take this opportunity to explain my reaction to others on this board and the commentary that has taken place. My mom and now myself have fought half truth's, spent thousands of dollars, fought hearsay, and what if's when it comes to Keith story. I dont know the agenda of others but I can tell you mine, and that is to use facts, evidence and truth to get to the answers as to why Keith ended up on the tree.

Based on fact, statements and evidence collected by my mother, her supporters and myself, we have proven Keith couldnt have put himself on the tree. There is NO factual information or evidence to prove Keith put himself on the tree other than the statement which my mother disputed and due to lack of procedure from MCMPD we dont know what exactly what was said. Every road on this journey goes back to 130pm on the afternoon of July 31 1986. What evidence was at that crime scene to make this a determination of suicide?

After watching the case again looking at the photos, I don't see any evidence of suicide and would be shocked if any competent law enforcement stated suicide also. Guess anything is possible but the facts support murder and law enforcement that states suicide is most likely incompetent

After watching the case again looking at the photos, I don't see any evidence of suicide and would be shocked if any competent law enforcement stated suicide also. Guess anything is possible but the facts support murder and law enforcement that states suicide is most likely incompetent

It is unfortunate and an unfair fight for families like my own fighting to right the wrong that was perpetrated on our love ones when you go up against the county, city, and state government. When you dont have a national headline, money and notoriety, the battle for truth and justice is a everyday struggle. The perpetrator and their accomplishes hope that the loved ones will give up and go away.... Im not granted that wish in the death of Keith.