i have decided to stop trading at the moment. my colletion is nice size (1500 discs) so im going to catch up on my watching. i will send all the dvds that i am in trades with still but for now im holding off. i work at radioshack and its almost the holiday season. so i will be working ALOT. like 70 hrs a week. so i will probaly start trading agian in like january thanks for all those that understand. agian i will get out all the stuff i have traded for im no theif thats for sure. just thought id let u guys know. i will still be on the bords though------thanks-----chris----aka phiberosmosis

the heads up is great, however I have some outstanding complaints about your previous trades- I have contacted you privately about them- I woudl advice settling up before leaving for even a brief vacation-

tell it out here.... im all caught up excepy for coolpolly and as soon as i send that ill be all caught. im done when i send that tomorrow im caught. listen if anyone has a problem speak right up im ready. othere then the other person i wrote about no one ahould have a complaint----chris

The two I have that are pending are Donna, and a user named Sicgirl- I have emailed you the information

I'm assuming your talking about me with sicgirl cause that is my website. Our trade is not pending. You lied and scammed your way out of it. I saw reacently on your list that you have what I was sending you so you probably set up two trades for the same thing without realizing it, then lied to get out of ours. I know a scammer when I see it, even if you are small time. I want nothing to do with you.

i hate to get back into it jasmion but the reason i didnt trade with u is that at first u said the are u afraid set was like 12 discs then it was 16 then finally when u posted me as a bad trader u told me that it was 20 discs u were out. i just was leary abou this. thats all. this is all im going to say about this as we have already beat this horse. i wound up getting a 6 disc set of are u afraid but it was not to my liking so i tarded it off. agian i can apoligize anymore as i dont really think i was in wrong.:cool:

I'm assuming your talking about me with sicgirl cause that is my website. Our trade is not pending. You lied and scammed your way out of it. I saw reacently on your list that you have what I was sending you so you probably set up two trades for the same thing without realizing it, then lied to get out of ours. I know a scammer when I see it, even if you are small time. I want nothing to do with you.

It seems to me there was a misunderstanding in this situation. Perhaps lagged emails were to blame, or posting the need/want for a show in two areas- getting 2 responses.

If nothign was sent out Jas, maybe you can post what you made, as previously made, ready to be shipped for a new trade?

Phiber-maybe you lacked telling her in the past your tenativeness and that created frustration or harsh feelings.
Maybe being more upfront, in the future would help (politely so) :)

savage u are such a smart and noble person:cool:


It seems to me there was a misunderstanding in this situation. Perhaps lagged emails were to blame, or posting the need/want for a show in two areas- getting 2 responses.

If nothign was sent out Jas, maybe you can post what you made, as previously made, ready to be shipped for a new trade?

Phiber-maybe you lacked telling her in the past your tenativeness and that created frustration or harsh feelings.
Maybe being more upfront, in the future would help (politely so) :)

That is supposed to be a secret

(just kidding)


My secret is talking. communication, communication, communication.



Let me know if I can be of any help in the future.

i hate to get back into it jasmion but the reason i didnt trade with u is that at first u said the are u afraid set was like 12 discs then it was 16 then finally when u posted me as a bad trader u told me that it was 20 discs u were out. i just was leary abou this. thats all. this is all im going to say about this as we have already beat this horse. i wound up getting a 6 disc set of are u afraid but it was not to my liking so i tarded it off. agian i can apoligize anymore as i dont really think i was in wrong.:cool:

Sorry this took me so long to reply but I've been having comp problems. Let me ask you one thing, After I originally said it was 16 discs (Yes I originally said 16) then came back and said it was 21, did I ever ask you for more discs? NO! I got the number wrong the first time and wasn't going to ask you for anything more. The point is you said over and over again that the trade was still on and suddenly it seemed when you realized I was serious about not sending first, you lied and said you cancled the trade. If you really had been leary about the change in number, why didn't you ask me about it?

your right is hould of asked about it. im sorry

You owe me Wonder Years and Simpsons Shorts.
Doug

Well I have emailed you twice to no avail...the first package I sent you of 54 discs gets lost in the mail and you don't get it. Not your fault of course, but it still sucks for me. So we break the trade up to 16 discs, the delivery confirmation says you have gotten your package, but I do not have mine, and I have had no response from you, I just want an update...

doug theybare done and josh im working on your trade right now

I thought u said u were all caught up? and then u get several posts that u owe people stuff and its been a longggg time?
not cool

I thought u said u were all caught up? and then u get several posts that u owe people stuff and its been a longggg time?
not cool

So here's my question: When does this guy get considered a bad trader? He already admitted lying about our trade and if you go into the archive to see our original discussion you'll see him pulling typical scammer tactics: blaming me when I call him out as being a bad trader, changing his story. He just got caught lying again. Come on! I know some people, including savage, have had good trades with him but I've got an inbox full of people saying he did the same thing only worse since most of them have sent first and are out discs and I never sent him anything. Doesn't it seem funny to anyone that the people that have had good trades with him are either a mod/admin or someone that has been banned?

im neither banned nor a mod, and except for a little bit of speed the first trade(which he usually stayed in contact with me) i have now had 2 successful trades with him.

if there are numersous people emailing you about the bad trades with phiber.....
tell them to contact the moderators, primarilly savage.... about a possible bad trader

i have done 2 small trades with him, he was slow but i got my stuff
i hope he comes through for u all, but if not we need to remedy it

I am actually aware of the situation- and I am in contact with Chris (phiberosmosis) about the situation.

His work schedule shifted to a heavier amount and he had no time to adjust.
He plans on getting caught up and taking a break from trading until the end of holiday season-
And I feel that he will make good on his trades....
I have stressed to Chris communication is going to be important during this, and I know he is eager to get out from underneath it.

~Savage

josh from kc's stuff i just gopt in like 2 days ago and i have been doing all his stuff. so im not behind and i didnt lie. i dont have any teades with u lamont at leats right now. as for u jasmoion i only admitted wrong doing after u wouldnt give up. life us too short to argue about this stuff on the net. i dont really care that much about u. as is tate agian ate foirst the ste was 1 discs then 16 then 20 so i really dont trust u s the number seem yto jump when evr u frelt like it. i have joshes top do then boom i, done and im not tradeing anynore. so there u go. its the christmas rush and im workking about 60 hrs a week at my job so i wont be trading agian til january


I thought u said u were all caught up? and then u get several posts that u owe people stuff and its been a longggg time?
not cool

there are lots more the admind and mods who have goos trades with me so get your facts stat buck-a-roo

So here's my question: When does this guy get considered a bad trader? He already admitted lying about our trade and if you go into the archive to see our original discussion you'll see him pulling typical scammer tactics: blaming me when I call him out as being a bad trader, changing his story. He just got caught lying again. Come on! I know some people, including savage, have had good trades with him but I've got an inbox full of people saying he did the same thing only worse since most of them have sent first and are out discs and I never sent him anything. Doesn't it seem funny to anyone that the people that have had good trades with him are either a mod/admin or someone that has been banned?

if there are people with stories about poor trades, then by all means tell those details first hand with facts and figures

but

its not fair to chris or anyone else to take jabs and drop hints about wrong doing

if a person has been wronged, its their duty as a member of this board to help keep it safe for everyone, and post the first hand account of the event

it helps no one to pm or email the next person and make their case

if theres a story tell it, and give whomever a shot at their side as well

theres no defense when someone drops hints and takes shots

first hand accounts by a couple of those people will put an end to this debate once and for all

and prove the case either way

thats a lot better for all concerned, isnt it

thank u so much. loren this is really nice


if there are people with stories about poor trades, then by all means tell those details first hand with facts and figures

but

its not fair to chris or anyone else to take jabs and drop hints about wrong doing

if a person has been wronged, its their duty as a member of this board to help keep it safe for everyone, and post the first hand account of the event

it helps no one to pm or email the next person and make their case

if theres a story tell it, and give whomever a shot at their side as well

theres no defense when someone drops hints and takes shots

first hand accounts by a couple of those people will put an end to this debate once and for all

and prove the case either way

thats a lot better for all concerned, isnt it

To asnwer Jasimon's question.

To me, someone is labeled a bad trader when one of the three occur.

1-Someone intentionally robs/misrepresents, decieves or manipulates their way into a trade, with no obvious plan to send or make a resolve to equal trade.

2-When someone for a duration of time has poor quality, with no attempt to remake, or redo their items- and not due to carelessness or mistake, simple lazily does a job, so he can fulfill sending something, anything. With no regard to quality, or further contenment.

3-When someone lies about their list, and or their inventory to simply get ahead- and gian inventory. Sending nothing and or blanks- stating they never received anything, or other various deceit that basically is done to get their stuff, and get out of the picture. Multiple id's, multiple emails and so forth.

There are more, to each situation. But this is an OUTLINE of what we as moderators and vetran traders look for.


Chris, has occasioanlyl gotten behind. Due to a burner probem, lakc of mdeia, work schedule changes etc.
But has completed every trade he has made.
He is working on better communication (ahem) :)
And above all is responsive to working things out.

Lately there was a situation I helped him moderate, in to which he was completely and utterly willing to work things out, after being displeased with the other persons items, to which I was able to actually see the quality and agree to, to a certian extent.

I don't believe this makes him a bad trader.

Yes at times I have stepped in, and reminded him to send an email, and there have been times I feel he took on too many trades.
But that is simply being a little greedy and a little too busy- and I know from experience many of us have encountered that.

So when does Chris become a bad trader?

When he stops trying. Stops emailing, stops working things out. When he completly and utterly ceases communication and stops responding to constructive criticism.

Having a misundertanding over the amount of discs, does not make a bad trader.

My advice to Chris, and all- is slow down. There is time to trade everything I firmly believe that.
-Ask for help, or patience if need be. Emailing is great, but make sure you get a response.
and 3- Realize that although your life may have changed, work, home etc- someone is waiting for your items- tell them whats going on, talk to them- bump up shipping if need be, but put yourself in their shoes.

And don't be afraid to contact me or another moderator for help. If you feel you got the bad end of the deal- if someone is being unfair- that is what we are here for.

Most of all, remember this is a hobby and supposed to be fun.
Let's not attack each other, over something long since happened. Be open minded, but most of all be forgiving now and then too.



~Savage

hi there
i was not slamming u

we did 2 or 3 small trades and i got my stuff, and for the most part all was well.... a bit slow, but ok

the reason i was asking if u were caught up or not was we emailed a few weeks back remember and i asked about a small trade, and u had to get caught up first

rsvp

i was not trying to seem like a jerk at all

:crazy:

im not taking on anymor etrades so that should rectify the situation:cool:


To asnwer Jasimon's question.

To me, someone is labeled a bad trader when one of the three occur.

1-Someone intentionally robs/misrepresents, decieves or manipulates their way into a trade, with no obvious plan to send or make a resolve to equal trade.

2-When someone for a duration of time has poor quality, with no attempt to remake, or redo their items- and not due to carelessness or mistake, simple lazily does a job, so he can fulfill sending something, anything. With no regard to quality, or further contenment.

3-When someone lies about their list, and or their inventory to simply get ahead- and gian inventory. Sending nothing and or blanks- stating they never received anything, or other various deceit that basically is done to get their stuff, and get out of the picture. Multiple id's, multiple emails and so forth.

There are more, to each situation. But this is an OUTLINE of what we as moderators and vetran traders look for.


Chris, has occasioanlyl gotten behind. Due to a burner probem, lakc of mdeia, work schedule changes etc.
But has completed every trade he has made.
He is working on better communication (ahem) :)
And above all is responsive to working things out.

Lately there was a situation I helped him moderate, in to which he was completely and utterly willing to work things out, after being displeased with the other persons items, to which I was able to actually see the quality and agree to, to a certian extent.

I don't believe this makes him a bad trader.

Yes at times I have stepped in, and reminded him to send an email, and there have been times I feel he took on too many trades.
But that is simply being a little greedy and a little too busy- and I know from experience many of us have encountered that.

So when does Chris become a bad trader?

When he stops trying. Stops emailing, stops working things out. When he completly and utterly ceases communication and stops responding to constructive criticism.





Having a misundertanding over the amount of discs, does not make a bad trader.

My advice to Chris, and all- is slow down. There is time to trade everything I firmly believe that.
-Ask for help, or patience if need be. Emailing is great, but make sure you get a response.
and 3- Realize that although your life may have changed, work, home etc- someone is waiting for your items- tell them whats going on, talk to them- bump up shipping if need be, but put yourself in their shoes.

And don't be afraid to contact me or another moderator for help. If you feel you got the bad end of the deal- if someone is being unfair- that is what we are here for.

Most of all, remember this is a hobby and supposed to be fun.
Let's not attack each other, over something long since happened. Be open minded, but most of all be forgiving now and then too.



~Savage