View Full Version : Jimmie seems very bitter towards Good Times and the cast..Check this out


sdb7373
10-05-2005, 05:42 PM
I found this on Jimmies OFFICIAL Website www.dynomitejj.com under The Frequently asked Questions Section.....


Frequently Asked Questions

Q. Is there going to be a "Good Times" reunion show?
A. No!

Q. Do you see any of the people from the show, and what are they doing?
A. No! And he's on the road all the time and has no idea what they are doing.

Q. Do you talk to Janet Jackson, and what kind of person is she?
A. No! She was 4 years old at the time, and there wasn't much to say. ...This statement about Janet is false. She was NOT 4 yrs old on the show or was this supposed to be a sarcastic comment?



Im assuming these answers are Jimmie's but It seems like someone was talking for him...I dont know but from these answers he really doesnt wanna be associated with GT anymore.

bansogirl
10-05-2005, 06:20 PM
Yeah, if those answers really are Jimmie's answers, then it sure sounds like he wants to wipe GT off of his mind. The answers do sound quite bitter. What the hell was he talking about Janet being 4 years old? What is wrong with him?

Brieannas21
10-05-2005, 11:38 PM
I think who ever maintains his website answered those questions, So I don't think Jimmie answered them. Look at the wording of the answers. IE...."No! And he's on the road all the time"

Brian Damage
10-05-2005, 11:45 PM
Even though they may not be his exact words, that is still his website. He has control over what is said in it.

TJAMES03
10-11-2005, 08:05 AM
Ironically, I was going through some old magazines of my Grandmother's awhile back and saw a photo with all of the original cast memebers of "GT" at Esther Rolle's memorial service - with the exception of Jimmie Walker. He may have been on the road at the time (I believe that Ms. Rolle died in 1998), but after reading this thread, I wonder if he just didn't stay away on his own accord.

TVFactFan
10-11-2005, 11:23 AM
I found this on Jimmies OFFICIAL Website www.dynomitejj.com under The Frequently asked Questions Section.....


Frequently Asked Questions

Q. Is there going to be a "Good Times" reunion show?
A. No!

Q. Do you see any of the people from the show, and what are they doing?
A. No! And he's on the road all the time and has no idea what they are doing.

Q. Do you talk to Janet Jackson, and what kind of person is she?
A. No! She was 4 years old at the time, and there wasn't much to say. ...This statement about Janet is false. She was NOT 4 yrs old on the show or was this supposed to be a sarcastic comment?



Im assuming these answers are Jimmie's but It seems like someone was talking for him...I dont know but from these answers he really doesnt wanna be associated with GT anymore.



That's always been the case, even in the 70's he stated that he had no friendships with any of the cast members off the set.

sdb7373
10-11-2005, 02:42 PM
He has a problem. What is wrong with him? Why does he act like that?

Edster2973
10-15-2005, 05:47 PM
He has a problem. What is wrong with him? Why does he act like that?

Perhaps with both the 'leading' actors being quite jealous of him, he wasn't the most warmly received. For Esther Rolle & John Amos to put Jimmie as well as J.J. down publicly while the show was airing, you think it's a surprise that he wasn't close to them?

I wouldn't say he's bitter, but I do believe that his 'distance' from the show and his co-stars (although Ja 'net Du Bois always spoke highly of him) may be merited. He may be aloof for all the right reasons. It was also said that Esther Rolle had a problem with Ja 'Net Du Bois. Seems there was quite a few ego problems.

You can't fault him for his celebrity during the airing of the show. If the same opportunity had been given to both Esther Rolle & John Amos, they would've taken it too, even if their sudden celebrity 'upstaged' the leading actors.

It's all quite silly and poor Jimmie may have been caught in the middle. From what I understand, he was just grateful to have a job and he wanted to do it well and hoped that the show ran for as long as it could. It was Esther Rolle and John Amos who was trying to make the show deeper than it was. Black comedy or not, it was still a show that tried to make people laugh in a 24 minute span. It wasn't the Bible.

I think Jimmie got caught in the middle of a backlash between the two leading egos. Who can blame him if he's not close to anyone? Would any of you be?

Ed

TVFactFan
10-15-2005, 06:13 PM
Perhaps with both the 'leading' actors being quite jealous of him, he wasn't the most warmly received. For Esther Rolle & John Amos to put Jimmie as well as J.J. down publicly while the show was airing, you think it's a surprise that he wasn't close to them?

I wouldn't say he's bitter, but I do believe that his 'distance' from the show and his co-stars (although Ja 'net Du Bois always spoke highly of him) may be merited. He may be aloof for all the right reasons. It was also said that Esther Rolle had a problem with Ja 'Net Du Bois. Seems there was quite a few ego problems.

You can't fault him for his celebrity during the airing of the show. If the same opportunity had been given to both Esther Rolle & John Amos, they would've taken it too, even if their sudden celebrity 'upstaged' the leading actors.

It's all quite silly and poor Jimmie may have been caught in the middle. From what I understand, he was just grateful to have a job and he wanted to do it well and hoped that the show ran for as long as it could. It was Esther Rolle and John Amos who was trying to make the show deeper than it was. Black comedy or not, it was still a show that tried to make people laugh in a 24 minute span. It wasn't the Bible.

I think Jimmie got caught in the middle of a backlash between the two leading egos. Who can blame him if he's not close to anyone? Would any of you be?

Ed



John Amos never had a reason to be jealous of Jimmy and never will

TVFactFan
10-15-2005, 06:20 PM
Perhaps with both the 'leading' actors being quite jealous of him, he wasn't the most warmly received. For Esther Rolle & John Amos to put Jimmie as well as J.J. down publicly while the show was airing, you think it's a surprise that he wasn't close to them?

I wouldn't say he's bitter, but I do believe that his 'distance' from the show and his co-stars (although Ja 'net Du Bois always spoke highly of him) may be merited. He may be aloof for all the right reasons. It was also said that Esther Rolle had a problem with Ja 'Net Du Bois. Seems there was quite a few ego problems.

You can't fault him for his celebrity during the airing of the show. If the same opportunity had been given to both Esther Rolle & John Amos, they would've taken it too, even if their sudden celebrity 'upstaged' the leading actors.

It's all quite silly and poor Jimmie may have been caught in the middle. From what I understand, he was just grateful to have a job and he wanted to do it well and hoped that the show ran for as long as it could. It was Esther Rolle and John Amos who was trying to make the show deeper than it was. Black comedy or not, it was still a show that tried to make people laugh in a 24 minute span. It wasn't the Bible.

I think Jimmie got caught in the middle of a backlash between the two leading egos. Who can blame him if he's not close to anyone? Would any of you be?

Ed



Well explain why he was't close to the other cast members besides John and Esther? He was just a WEIRDO.

gilligan fanatic
10-15-2005, 06:23 PM
on all the interview shows he seems fine with being associated with the show.

Ireneparalegal
10-15-2005, 06:32 PM
Check out this interview. It's also on AUDIO. I have read/heard it. Very Interesting.


http://standanddeliver.blogs.com/dombo/jimmie_jj_walker/

Edster2973
10-15-2005, 07:59 PM
John Amos never had a reason to be jealous of Jimmy and never will

Here we go again. You know Solomon, as much as I like, you, I am a bit tired of the merry-go-round with this topic. I'm going to try to explain this as succinctly as possible so you'll hopefully understand.

Did John Amos ever have a reason to be jealous of Jimmie Walker?

As far as acting abilities go, I don't think he would have a reason. John Amos is a very credible actor. That goes without saying. But the thing that got his goat was that the show's fandom was more conscious of JJ and his 'dy-no-mite' phrase than they were of John Amos's acting talents. Like it or not, that is how it was. Of course that rubbed John the wrong way. It's totally understandable why it would. But I don't see how anyone can blame Jimmie Walker for that. He was just doing his job. Like I said before, if John Amos was the supporting character and some phrase of his just happened to have caught on, of course John would've ridden it out. He'd be a fool not to.

Whether I agree with how John felt really doesn't matter. I just don't see why, in order to express loyalty to John Amos, you have to dump on Jimmie Walker. If it wasn't Jimmie but some other actor with the same circumstances, the blame game would still be the same. It's unfortunate that it happened, but again, Jimmie just did what the producers and writers expected of him. I don't think John or Esther were entitled to castigate the poor guy over it, that's all.

And please, let's keep John Amos's contribution to the show in its proper perspective. Yes, he did provide a strength to the show, but he wasn't the whole show. If that were the case, the show would've caved in permanently when his character was killed off. Some of you (particularly you Solomon) talk as if John Amos was a god or something. He wasn't. And truth to tell, if you want to be angry with anyone over his firing, then some of the blame has to go to John Amos himself. If he hadn't been such a jerk to work with, he wouldn't have gotten the boot.

Well explain why he was't close to the other cast members besides John and Esther? He was just a WEIRDO.

I personally have never picked up on that sort of thing, but if he was, I would totally understand why. It could be that he doesn't talk to the other cast members simply because they lost touch with each other, not because of anything hostile. Haven't you lost touch with friends that you knew just 5 years ago? Does it mean you hate their guts? No, it means you have a life and that time has passed by and you've moved on to other places and people.

Nothing more, nothing less...

Ed (who knows Solomon is going to rattle off some one or two line answer about how either John Amos was the TRUE star of Good Times :rolleyes: or how much of a jerk Jimmie Walker was, or how John Amos was never jealous... whatever...)

TVFactFan
10-15-2005, 08:12 PM
Here we go again. You know Solomon, as much as I like, you, I am a bit tired of the merry-go-round with this topic. I'm going to try to explain this as succinctly as possible so you'll hopefully understand.

Did John Amos ever have a reason to be jealous of Jimmie Walker?

As far as acting abilities go, I don't think he would have a reason. John Amos is a very credible actor. That goes without saying. But the thing that got his goat was that the show's fandom was more conscious of JJ and his 'dy-no-mite' phrase than they were of John Amos's acting talents. Like it or not, that is how it was. Of course that rubbed John the wrong way. It's totally understandable why it would. But I don't see how anyone can blame Jimmie Walker for that. He was just doing his job. Like I said before, if John Amos was the supporting character and some phrase of his just happened to have caught on, of course John would've ridden it out. He'd be a fool not to.

Whether I agree with how John felt really doesn't matter. I just don't see why, in order to express loyalty to John Amos, you have to dump on Jimmie Walker. If it wasn't Jimmie but some other actor with the same circumstances, the blame game would still be the same. It's unfortunate that it happened, but again, Jimmie just did what the producers and writers expected of him. I don't think John or Esther were entitled to castigate the poor guy over it, that's all.

And please, let's keep John Amos's contribution to the show in its proper perspective. Yes, he did provide a strength to the show, but he wasn't the whole show. If that were the case, the show would've caved in permanently when his character was killed off. Some of you (particularly you Solomon) talk as if John Amos was a god or something. He wasn't. And truth to tell, if you want to be angry with anyone over his firing, then some of the blame has to go to John Amos himself. If he hadn't been such a jerk to work with, he wouldn't have gotten the boot.



I personally have never picked up on that sort of thing, but if he was, I would totally understand why. It could be that he doesn't talk to the other cast members simply because they lost touch with each other, not because of anything hostile. Haven't you lost touch with friends that you knew just 5 years ago? Does it mean you hate their guts? No, it means you have a life and that time has passed by and you've moved on to other places and people.

Nothing more, nothing less...

Ed (who knows Solomon is going to rattle off some one or two line answer about how either John Amos was the TRUE star of Good Times :rolleyes: or how much of a jerk Jimmie Walker was, or how John Amos was never jealous... whatever...)


Well 'm not even going to debate whether Amos was the star of the show because we all know he was. It's just a shame Jimmy wasn't normal enough to present Young Black Men on TV in a Positive Way. That's the point John and Esther was trying to make. They were slipping in negative stereotypes of Blacks on the Oldest Child on the show beacuse the actor who played the oldest child ALLOWED it to happen.

Edster2973
10-15-2005, 08:16 PM
Well 'm not even going to debate whether Show was the star of the show

Show was the star of the show? Hmmm, I didn't know that. So how many seasons was Show on the show? I can't seem to remember....

because we all know he was. It's just a shame Jimm wasn't normal enough to present Young Black Men on TV in a Positive Way. That's the point John and Esther was making. They were slipping negative stereotypes of Blacks on the Oldest Child on the show beacuse the actor who played the oldest child ALLOWED it to happen.

Hey, wait a minute. If Jimmie Walker had enough clout to stop it from happening, then that would mean he was the star. Only stars have that kind of power and influence. But you say he wasn't. Esther & John were the stars. So why didn't they stop it? Hmmm? And why is it that when they did moan and groan, they both backed down when Norman Lear gave them raises? Before pointing a finger at Walker for selling out, you better take a closer look at your two 'idols' (heaven help you!)... :rolleyes:

Ed

TVFactFan
10-15-2005, 08:23 PM
Show was the star of the show? Hmmm, I didn't know that. So how many seasons was Show on the show? I can't seem to remember....



Hey, wait a minute. If Jimmie Walker had enough clout to stop it from happening, then that would mean he was the star. Only stars have that kind of power and influence. But you say he wasn't. Esther & John were the stars. So why didn't they stop it? Hmmm? And why is it that when they did moan and groan, they both backed down when Norman Lear gave them raises? Before pointing a finger at Walker for selling out, you better take a closer look at your two 'idols' (heaven help you!)... :rolleyes:

Ed



Why couldn't Jimmie go to the producers and say

1."You know I think the Blue Hat is a bit much"

2."Can we cut down on the number of Times J.J says Dynomite"

3."Can the J.J character start dressing and acting more mature?"

No that Idiot just wanted to look CRAZY-lol

Edster2973
10-15-2005, 10:21 PM
Why couldn't Jimmie go to the producers and say

1."You know I think the Blue Hat is a bit much"

2."Can we cut down on the number of Times J.J says Dynomite"

3."Can the J.J character start dressing and acting more mature?"

No that Idiot just wanted to look CRAZY-lol

Well, the ironic thing is, had he spoken up and made a fuss, he would've gotten his way. There is no way the show would've gotten rid of JJ. But he chose not to. You can choose to read into this as him lacking integrity as a black actor (whatever that means... :rolleyes: ) or you can read it as him trying to just do the job that he was hired to do. If he had half of an ego or star complex, he would've demanded more money at some point. And the thing is, I don't recall him EVER doing that. Seems to me he just wanted to go to work and do what the producers asked of him. It's kind of sad that this has to be misconstrued as not having black pride in order to make it seem like the other two ego-maniac actors were justified in having a pole up their rear ends...

Ed

TVFactFan
10-15-2005, 10:41 PM
Well, the ironic thing is, had he spoken up and made a fuss, he would've gotten his way. There is no way the show would've gotten rid of JJ. But he chose not to. You can choose to read into this as him lacking integrity as a black actor (whatever that means... :rolleyes:) or you can read it as him trying to just do the job that he was hired to do. If he had half of an ego or star complex, he would've demanded more money at some point. And the thing is, I don't recall him EVER doing that. Seems to me he just wanted to go to work and do what the producers asked of him. It's kind of sad that this has to be misconstrued as not having black pride in order to make it seem like the other two ego-maniac actors were justified in having a pole up their rear ends...

Ed



He should have just stayed the way he was in season 1, No Blue Hat, and No Dynomite. He could have been funny without LOOKING and ACTING Crazy.

Ireneparalegal
10-15-2005, 11:06 PM
Well, the ironic thing is, had he spoken up and made a fuss, he would've gotten his way. There is no way the show would've gotten rid of JJ. But he chose not to. You can choose to read into this as him lacking integrity as a black actor (whatever that means... :rolleyes:) or you can read it as him trying to just do the job that he was hired to do. If he had half of an ego or star complex, he would've demanded more money at some point. And the thing is, I don't recall him EVER doing that. Seems to me he just wanted to go to work and do what the producers asked of him. It's kind of sad that this has to be misconstrued as not having black pride in order to make it seem like the other two ego-maniac actors were justified in having a pole up their rear ends...

Ed
Hi, ever been to Lizzie Borden's family home????:D

Edster2973
10-16-2005, 08:50 AM
Hi, ever been to Lizzie Borden's family home????:D

What does that have to do with anything?

Ed

Edster2973
10-16-2005, 09:17 AM
He should have just stayed the way he was in season 1, No Blue Hat, and No Dynomite. He could have been funny without LOOKING and ACTING Crazy.

Again, you make it seem like he had a say in this. How do you know if he did?

Besides, what is wrong with the blue hat? It doesn't add or take away any more than James's brown shirt. What's the big deal? The failure of Good Times is partly due to JJ's blue hat? Get a life man!

And the 'dy-no-mite' phrase wasn't a bad thing. The show just needed to be more than that, that's all. But again, taking the phrase out, what would we be left with for a show? If it turns out to be nothing, how is this Jimmie Walker's fault? He didn't write the scripts. Again, he did what was expected of him. It's no different than Fred Sanford's line of "Oh, Elizabeth, this is the big one. I'm coming to join ya honey." You mean to say that line took away from Sanford & Son?

The show just happened to revolve around his character saying the 'dy-no-mite' phrase. It was set up for it. Does that demean the show a bit? Depends on your perspective. But I don't see how Jimmie Walker gets to be blamed for that. He didn't tell the writers/producers to focus on him, no more than Johnny Brown told the show to get in as many 'buffalo butts' as possible. These people showed up for work and tried to do the best show that they could.

For the record, JJ (and Jimmie Walker) wasn't my favorite part of the show. Far from it. To me, my favorite 'funny' character was Willona. Her comedy always seemed less forced and more natural, like in real life, although this doesn't mean I preferred the show the way it was during Season 5. I just understand why the show took the direction it did during Season 5 since its primary star had an ego-complex. Esther Rolle left during Season 5 because she wanted more money and they didn't give it to her. It had nothing to do with JJ or Jimmie Walker. The woman was greedy and out for her own stardom and resented the implication that she was part of an ensemble rather than the core of the show. Sure, she was missed during Season 5, but she's totally to blame for that happening. She thought of her wallet first, and you insist to blame Jimmie Walker for selling out?

How do you justify her continuiing to sell out with those psychic hotlines that basically pandered to the African-American community (her own people that she pretended to crusade for during Good Times when in actuality she was just using that as a front to get more money) while robbing them with hidden fees that were enormously overpriced?

I know it's sad that she's gone (hey, we're all going to die someday) but the facts seem to indicate that she always tried to milk whatever she was involved in for as much $$ as she could get. Money is what drove her, deceased or not. She is still one of my favorite actresses, however (the woman did have talent, that's for sure), but as a person, she seemed to be the one to 'sell out' for the money.

Jimmie Walker, on the other hand, always made it clear that he never considered himself a real actor but as a stand-up comedienne who 'lucked' into something good. He always showed up with his lines learned and did what was expected of him. To me, his antics (which came from the writers/producers) were no more silly than Fred Sanford's on Sanford & Son or George Jefferson's on The Jeffersons. How come no one complains about the lack of black integrity on these two shows, hmmm? At least Jimmie comes across as being grateful for having been on the show, whereas Esther Rolle & John Amos seemed to put the show down. As a fan of Good Times, that always bothered me. Since I like the show so much, when they put the show down as being stupid, I felt like they were calling the show's fans stupid as well. One would have to be stupid to like something that is stupid, no?

Funny how no one calls either actor on that. I guess Esther Rolle being dead qualifies her for sainthood, and the fact that John Amos's character James was killed off does the same for him. These actors were nothing like their characters, and neither was Jimmie Walker. Try to see beyond the fiction and look at the actions of these actors behind the scenes. If they had been white actors, would your opinions of Rolle & Amos be the same if they had acted the same way?

Ed

TVFactFan
10-16-2005, 12:12 PM
Again, you make it seem like he had a say in this. How do you know if he did?

Besides, what is wrong with the blue hat? It doesn't add or take away any more than James's brown shirt. What's the big deal? The failure of Good Times is partly due to JJ's blue hat? Get a life man!

And the 'dy-no-mite' phrase wasn't a bad thing. The show just needed to be more than that, that's all. But again, taking the phrase out, what would we be left with for a show? If it turns out to be nothing, how is this Jimmie Walker's fault? He didn't write the scripts. Again, he did what was expected of him. It's no different than Fred Sanford's line of "Oh, Elizabeth, this is the big one. I'm coming to join ya honey." You mean to say that line took away from Sanford & Son?

The show just happened to revolve around his character saying the 'dy-no-mite' phrase. It was set up for it. Does that demean the show a bit? Depends on your perspective. But I don't see how Jimmie Walker gets to be blamed for that. He didn't tell the writers/producers to focus on him, no more than Johnny Brown told the show to get in as many 'buffalo butts' as possible. These people showed up for work and tried to do the best show that they could.

For the record, JJ (and Jimmie Walker) wasn't my favorite part of the show. Far from it. To me, my favorite 'funny' character was Willona. Her comedy always seemed less forced and more natural, like in real life, although this doesn't mean I preferred the show the way it was during Season 5. I just understand why the show took the direction it did during Season 5 since its primary star had an ego-complex. Esther Rolle left during Season 5 because she wanted more money and they didn't give it to her. It had nothing to do with JJ or Jimmie Walker. The woman was greedy and out for her own stardom and resented the implication that she was part of an ensemble rather than the core of the show. Sure, she was missed during Season 5, but she's totally to blame for that happening. She thought of her wallet first, and you insist to blame Jimmie Walker for selling out?

How do you justify her continuiing to sell out with those psychic hotlines that basically pandered to the African-American community (her own people that she pretended to crusade for during Good Times when in actuality she was just using that as a front to get more money) while robbing them with hidden fees that were enormously overpriced?

I know it's sad that she's gone (hey, we're all going to die someday) but the facts seem to indicate that she always tried to milk whatever she was involved in for as much $$ as she could get. Money is what drove her, deceased or not. She is still one of my favorite actresses, however (the woman did have talent, that's for sure), but as a person, she seemed to be the one to 'sell out' for the money.

Jimmie Walker, on the other hand, always made it clear that he never considered himself a real actor but as a stand-up comedienne who 'lucked' into something good. He always showed up with his lines learned and did what was expected of him. To me, his antics (which came from the writers/producers) were no more silly than Fred Sanford's on Sanford & Son or George Jefferson's on The Jeffersons. How come no one complains about the lack of black integrity on these two shows, hmmm? At least Jimmie comes across as being grateful for having been on the show, whereas Esther Rolle & John Amos seemed to put the show down. As a fan of Good Times, that always bothered me. Since I like the show so much, when they put the show down as being stupid, I felt like they were calling the show's fans stupid as well. One would have to be stupid to like something that is stupid, no?

Funny how no one calls either actor on that. I guess Esther Rolle being dead qualifies her for sainthood, and the fact that John Amos's character James was killed off does the same for him. These actors were nothing like their characters, and neither was Jimmie Walker. Try to see beyond the fiction and look at the actions of these actors behind the scenes. If they had been white actors, would your opinions of Rolle & Amos be the same if they had acted the same way?

Ed



What was silly about Fred and George?

Edster2973
10-16-2005, 03:27 PM
What was silly about Fred and George?

Nothing. I mentioned them to suggest that their antics were no less silly or better than JJ's, yet nobody complains about them. That's the only point I was trying to make. George Jefferson's dancing or Fred Sanford's fake heart attacks are no less dignified or silly than JJ's 'dy-no-mite' phrase, don't you think? Still, they all served to make us laugh.

Ed

TVFactFan
10-16-2005, 03:48 PM
Nothing. I mentioned them to suggest that their antics were no less silly or better than JJ's, yet nobody complains about them. That's the only point I was trying to make. George Jefferson's dancing or Fred Sanford's fake heart attacks are no less dignified or silly than JJ's 'dy-no-mite' phrase, don't you think? Still, they all served to make us laugh.

Ed


I don't think Fred should be in the same category as George and J.J, because he wasn't the BUTT of all Jokes like they were. George Dancing didn't make him look foolish, it was how he was disrepected by every character on the show. Fred was never the butt of any Joke and when someone tried to make him look fooliish, he would turn around and make them look foolish. George and J.J never had any combacks, both just were the Clowns of the House. Can't say that about My Man James and Fred. My Top two TV Dads of the 70's.

Edster2973
10-16-2005, 06:18 PM
I don't think Fred should be in the same category as George and J.J, because he wasn't the BUTT of all Jokes like they were. George Dancing didn't make him look foolish, it was how he was disrepected by every character on the show. Fred was never the butt of any Joke and when someone tried to make him look fooliish, he would turn around and make them look foolish. George and J.J never had any combacks, both just were the Clowns of the House. Can't say that about My Man James and Fred. My Top two TV Dads of the 70's.

Fred always looked foolish, he just didn't know it. He was like Archie Bunker in that respect. And remember, your top two TV Dads of the 70s are James and Fred, not John & Redd...

Ed

TVFactFan
10-16-2005, 06:28 PM
Fred always looked foolish, he just didn't know it. He was like Archie Bunker in that respect. And remember, your top two TV Dads of the 70s are James and Fred, not John & Redd...

Ed



OK Ed let me explain it to you because u are not understanding what I mean. The Fred character was respected by his Son, and James was respected by his Family. On the otherhand, George was viewed by his maid, wife, and Son as a IDIOT and J.J was viewed by his parents and siblings as a IDIOT. So both played the BUFOON role which angered some people during the time.

Edster2973
10-16-2005, 07:47 PM
OK Ed let me explain it to you because u are not understanding what I mean. The Fred character was respected by his Son, and James was respected by his Family. On the otherhand, George was viewed by his maid, wife, and Son as a IDIOT and J.J was viewed by his parents and siblings as a IDIOT. So both played the BUFOON role which angered some people during the time.

Hey, I get your point. I just think it's all so silly. Yes, they were buffoons, but their buffoonish antics are what helped provide the comedy. Plain and simple. Besides, there are buffoons of all shapes and color, some of them are white and some of them are black. I just don't see why such a big stink was made about it. It wasn't necessary. I think it served more as a cover-up so that Rolle & Amos had a reason to demand more money. If it wasn't JJ, then it would've been something else.

And please answer this for me. Why is it that both Rolle & Amos shut up temporarily each time Lear caved in and gave them raises? If it wasn't about the money, then they should've still bickered, but they didn't. I rest my case...

Ed

Ireneparalegal
10-16-2005, 11:03 PM
Hey, I get your point. I just think it's all so silly. Yes, they were buffoons, but their buffoonish antics are what helped provide the comedy. Plain and simple. Besides, there are buffoons of all shapes and color, some of them are white and some of them are black. I just don't see why such a big stink was made about it. It wasn't necessary. I think it served more as a cover-up so that Rolle & Amos had a reason to demand more money. If it wasn't JJ, then it would've been something else.

And please answer this for me. Why is it that both Rolle & Amos shut up temporarily each time Lear caved in and gave them raises? If it wasn't about the money, then they should've still bickered, but they didn't. I rest my case...

Ed
I didn't know this was a trial....case??? it's crazy...let it go guys.

TVFactFan
10-16-2005, 11:17 PM
I didn't know this was a trial....case??? it's crazy...let it go guys.


Irene me and ED have these TV debates all the time. We are not arguing at all. He is one of my favorite posters. I didn;t want you to think it was serious.

Trishalla
10-25-2005, 01:48 PM
Hello out there everyone in sitcomsonline.com world

my life has been in crisis
so I'm not on as often

but as far as I'm concerned

Jimme Walker

if it was not for the Show GoodTimes

everyone on this board would be like "jimmy who?"

and after the marathon on TVLAND being one of the most highest rated shows for that weeked, having over a Million viewers, having people searching online on yahoo, and other search engines on the internet for info on goodtimes

I would think he would drop the ego

granted, whatever the case was that Walker didn't get along with Amos and Rolle, I find it sick that he would trash the show that gave him fame, whether he got along with other cast members or not!

Even though I think if you look more online you will see that he is coming around to embrace the ticket that game him fame.

but still I'm very disapointed that he would trash the show in the first place!

nerrad
10-25-2005, 01:56 PM
LOL. JJ probably reads the internet. If not, the magazines. I'm sure he probably read what John Amos and Esther Rolle said about his character.

Edster2973
10-25-2005, 04:47 PM
I would think he would drop the ego

granted, whatever the case was that Walker didn't get along with Amos and Rolle, I find it sick that he would trash the show that gave him fame, whether he got along with other cast members or not!

Even though I think if you look more online you will see that he is coming around to embrace the ticket that game him fame.

but still I'm very disapointed that he would trash the show in the first place!

Firstly, who said that he trashed the show? This thread's topic is based on someone assuming he 'seemed' bitter. He has never ever spoken out against the show.

Secondly, he has gone on record as stating that as far as Good Times was concerned, he lucked onto a good thing since he never considered himself a 'real' actor. Seems humble enough to me, no?

I think some of you are under the misconception that in order to support Esther Rolle and/or John Amos, you have to turn on Jimmie Walker. I don't think that's really necessary, do you?

And just so you know, Jimmie Walker was far from my favorite on the show. My fave was actually Willona. Her humor seemed the most natural and less forced. I just don't think anyone should judge Jimmie based on falsehoods.

Yes, if it wasn't for Good Times, we very well may be saying "Jimmie who?", but I think it's fair to say that if it wasn't for Jimmie (in part anyway), we may also be saying "Good Times? What's that? Never heard of it."

Let's give credit (and blame) where it is due, ok?

Ed

GeorgeWBushGOP
10-25-2005, 05:17 PM
Yes, if it wasn't for Good Times, we very well may be saying "Jimmie who?", but I think it's fair to say that if it wasn't for Jimmie (in part anyway), we may also be saying "Good Times? What's that? Never heard of it."

Let's give credit (and blame) where it is due, ok?

Ed


Exactly.

If it wasn't for Happy Days we'd all be saying Henry who?

And Charlie's Angels we'd all be saying Farrah who?

And if it weren't for Batman we'd all be saying Adam who?

and if...well you get the picture.

Edster2973
10-25-2005, 06:11 PM
Exactly.

If it wasn't for Happy Days we'd all be saying Henry who?

And Charlie's Angels we'd all be saying Farrah who?

And if it weren't for Batman we'd all be saying Adam who?

and if...well you get the picture.

Right. It's a matter of one hand washing the other. I just wanted to point out that it wasn't just Jimmie who benefitted from being on Good Times. The show also benefitted from having him (as well as the other talented cast members) on it.

Ed

Ireneparalegal
10-25-2005, 06:15 PM
Right. It's a matter of one hand washing the other. I just wanted to point out that it wasn't just Jimmie who benefitted from being on Good Times. The show also benefitted from having him (as well as the other talented cast members) on it.

Ed
not to say that it may have hindered him as well, as you can tell from our many posts on this forum that he gets alot of negative things said abt him. He also is sstereotyped as JJ forever. But it's better he be thought of someone who made us laugh rather than never be thought of at all. Or worse, that he fall into the "what ever happened to..."

Brieannas21
10-25-2005, 07:37 PM
I've never said anything negative about Jimmie, But I have said some negative things about the character he played. SOME people can't seem to tell the difference between the character and the actual person. A lot of people on this bored has said that Esther didn't like Jimmie. When in fact she liked Jimmie, she just didn't like the character he played. And just because a celebrity has a website doesn't mean that they go on there and read every little thing that's printed about them, that's why they have personal assistants. Some celebrities just doesn't care as long as it's truthful LOL

Trishalla
10-26-2005, 11:43 AM
Firstly, who said that he trashed the show? This thread's topic is based on someone assuming he 'seemed' bitter. He has never ever spoken out against the show.

Secondly, he has gone on record as stating that as far as Good Times was concerned, he lucked onto a good thing since he never considered himself a 'real' actor. Seems humble enough to me, no?

I think some of you are under the misconception that in order to support Esther Rolle and/or John Amos, you have to turn on Jimmie Walker. I don't think that's really necessary, do you?

And just so you know, Jimmie Walker was far from my favorite on the show. My fave was actually Willona. Her humor seemed the most natural and less forced. I just don't think anyone should judge Jimmie based on falsehoods.

Yes, if it wasn't for Good Times, we very well may be saying "Jimmie who?", but I think it's fair to say that if it wasn't for Jimmie (in part anyway), we may also be saying "Good Times? What's that? Never heard of it."

Let's give credit (and blame) where it is due, ok?

EdOh Brother

Give Me a Break

(and I'm not talking about Neil Carter)

Jimmy was better in the first season anyway, because that was what the character was suppose to be.

No one is judging Walker on Falsehoods

its stuff that he said

and I am not saying this to support Amos and Rolle

Because I loved every single character on that show

So no one is turning on Walker

Don't get so emotional about it

its not my fault that Walker has a bad habit of running off at the mouth

Ireneparalegal
10-26-2005, 04:37 PM
I've never said anything negative about Jimmie, But I have said some negative things about the character he played. SOME people can't seem to tell the difference between the character and the actual person. A lot of people on this bored has said that Esther didn't like Jimmie. When in fact she liked Jimmie, she just didn't like the character he played. And just because a celebrity has a website doesn't mean that they go on there and read every little thing that's printed about them, that's why they have personal assistants. Some celebrities just doesn't care as long as it's truthful LOL
u know Brie, i believe the reason some people can't separate the character from Jimmie is the fact that they are one in the same. Not 100%, but close enough. Alot of what JJ did was based on what Jimmie did in rehearsals. The dynomite phrase was Jimmie's thing. He did it in rehearsals and it was there that the producers liked what they saw and included that into the character. Jimmie's website is called Dynomite. He had his face marketed on products with that catchphrase. He wore the hat on several appearances in the 70's.

Brieannas21
10-26-2005, 11:59 PM
u know Brie, i believe the reason some people can't separate the character from Jimmie is the fact that they are one in the same. Not 100%, but close enough. Alot of what JJ did was based on what Jimmie did in rehearsals. The dynomite phrase was Jimmie's thing. He did it in rehearsals and it was there that the producers liked what they saw and included that into the character. Jimmie's website is called Dynomite. He had his face marketed on products with that catchphrase. He wore the hat on several appearances in the 70's.

Yeah I understand the whole catch phrase thing. But people have to remember that JJ is a character that Jimmie played. If you were to go back and read Jimmie's Bio you could see that he was a hard worker who grow up fast. When you look at the things that JJ did on Good Times, Jimmie never did those things, Yeah JJ bacame a hard worker towards the end of Good Times. Just because a person says something doesn't mean that they are the person that they portray on television. It's kinda like with Kim Fields, when people see her they call her Tootie LOL. A lot of people keep saying that Esther and John didn't like Jimmie, She liked Jimmie, she just didn't like the character that he played. So people just have to separate fact from fiction. That's all I'm saying

Also Jimmie made a lot of money off those Dy-no-mite Tshirts and Hats and dolls. It's great marketing, that's kinda the business that I'm in. If you want to make money you have to sell yourself sort to speak.