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Jinxey
08-31-2005, 12:18 PM
Any updates regarding the tag scene???

TVFactFan
08-31-2005, 03:19 PM
Any updates regarding the tag scene???


Yes it was a TAG scene but it was cut on the DVD for some reason. Retrotvcollector is now looking for the ABC version of this episode

Jinxey
08-31-2005, 03:55 PM
Yes it was a TAG scene but it was cut on the DVD for some reason. Retrotvcollector is now looking for the ABC version of this episode

I wonder what happens...I have a feeling it happens to Jack....lol

Jinxey
10-03-2005, 12:54 AM
Did you locate the tag scene???

TVFactFan
10-03-2005, 06:36 PM
Did you locate the tag scene???


Nope

I Love John Ritter
10-05-2005, 12:45 AM
Yes it was a TAG scene but it was cut on the DVD for some reason. Retrotvcollector is now looking for the ABC version of this episode
It certainly looks like there was a tag scene that wasn't included to me, but has this actually been confirmed?

TVFactFan
10-06-2005, 12:14 PM
It certainly looks like there was a tag scene that wasn't included to me, but has this actually been confirmed?


Not until i find the ABC version

GrandGame1440
12-08-2005, 01:05 AM
Did we ever find out whether or not this episode had a tag?

TVFactFan
12-08-2005, 03:14 AM
Did we ever find out whether or not this episode had a tag?


Yes it has a Tag but we won't ever see it unless the ABC version of this episode is found

Jinxey
04-16-2007, 02:54 AM
Any luck on finding the tag scene???

TVFactFan
04-16-2007, 01:03 PM
Any luck on finding the tag scene???


The closet I came to finding the TAG scene is finding the ABC eo that aired the week before on 11/27/79. Ralph's Rival aired on 12/4/79

drew773
07-30-2007, 12:47 AM
Any updates regarding the tag scene???

:wave:

Just got word that RALPH'S RIVAL is on right now (11:30p CT / 12:30a ET).

I'm at work and can't watch it...

If anyone is looking at it now, can you report back on if the TAG scene is there??

Thanks!!!

Skywalker
08-01-2007, 08:42 PM
:wave:

Just got word that RALPH'S RIVAL is on right now (11:30p CT / 12:30a ET).

I'm at work and can't watch it...

If anyone is looking at it now, can you report back on if the TAG scene is there??

Thanks!!!

TV Land has never aired the Tag scene for "Ralph's Rival".


I honestly don't think that there is a tag scene for this episode. There are a lot and I mean A LOT of diehard TC fans, and I think that if there had been a tag scene for "Ralph's Rival", we'd all know it by now and also what happened in the tag scene. Until there is actual proof, it's only an assumption, IMO.

Mr. Television
08-01-2007, 08:52 PM
Maybe that episode ran short because of an Iranian Hostage Crisis update. Their were alot of those at that time.

TVFactFan
08-03-2007, 07:47 PM
TV Land has never aired the Tag scene for "Ralph's Rival".


I honestly don't think that there is a tag scene for this episode. There are a lot and I mean A LOT of diehard TC fans, and I think that if there had been a tag scene for "Ralph's Rival", we'd all know it by now and also what happened in the tag scene. Until there is actual proof, it's only an assumption, IMO.


For some reason I still believe there is a tag scene for Ralph's Rival because why would the other 23 episodes of season 4 have tag scenes and not Ralph's Rival? And even if it's not a tag scene there has to be some kind of reason for it. I feel that something should have been included in the season 4 DVD letting fans know why there was not a Tag scene for Ralph's Rival

TVFactFan
08-03-2007, 07:49 PM
Maybe that episode ran short because of an Iranian Hostage Crisis update. Their were alot of those at that time.


That's the kind of Information that should be in the season 4 DVD-lol

Skywalker
08-03-2007, 10:04 PM
For some reason I still believe there is a tag scene for Ralph's Rival because why would the other 23 episodes of season 4 have tag scenes and not Ralph's Rival? And even if it's not a tag scene there has to be some kind of reason for it. I feel that something should have been included in the season 4 DVD letting fans know why there was not a Tag scene for Ralph's Rival

I agree, there should have been some kind of explanation as to why there was no tag scene. I wonder if there is any way to get in touch with Chris Mann? I know he did some commentaries on the season sets and plus he wrote that TC book a few years back. He may be the only one who knows for sure.

TVFactFan
08-03-2007, 10:08 PM
I agree, there should have been some kind of explanation as to why there was no tag scene. I wonder if there is any way to get in touch with Chris Mann? I know he did some commentaries on the season sets and plus he wrote that TC book a few years back. He may be the only one who knows for sure.


I'm still bothered that my season 4 DVD is incomplete. I know that there has to be a reason since that was the only ep that was tagless

Mr. Television
08-03-2007, 10:09 PM
I agree, there should have been some kind of explanation as to why there was no tag scene. I wonder if there is any way to get in touch with Chris Mann? I know he did some commentaries on the season sets and plus he wrote that TC book a few years back. He may be the only one who knows for sure.
Chris has posted on SO before. I don't know when he last did it though.

TVFactFan
08-03-2007, 10:16 PM
Chris has posted on SO before. I don't know when he last did it though.


Is there is a way to contact him?

Mr. Television
08-03-2007, 10:27 PM
Is there is a way to contact him?
I don't know. He hasn't been on SO since June 20th.

TVFactFan
08-03-2007, 10:31 PM
I don't know. He hasn't been on SO since June 20th.



Damm, -lol

Skywalker
08-03-2007, 10:33 PM
Chris has posted on SO before. I don't know when he last did it though.

Yeah, I haven't seen him post on here in a long time. I'm gonna send him a PM, but I doubt he'll respond. :lol:

Mr. Television
08-03-2007, 10:36 PM
Yeah, I haven't seen him post on here in a long time. I'm gonna send him a PM, but I doubt he'll respond. :lol:
If he does let us know. :lol:

drew773
08-03-2007, 11:23 PM
I agree, there should have been some kind of explanation as to why there was no tag scene. I wonder if there is any way to get in touch with Chris Mann? I know he did some commentaries on the season sets and plus he wrote that TC book a few years back. He may be the only one who knows for sure.

I've been meaning to get in touch with Chris for some time now -- when i do i'll be sure to ask him if he knows about this. Honestly though, i don't know if he'd have the answer. If it is indeed true that there's never been a tag scene for this episode in syndication, then probably only someone involved in the original production would know for sure. Maybe it'd be better to contact DLT directly...?? :confused:

TVFactFan
08-03-2007, 11:28 PM
I've been meaning to get in touch with Chris for some time now -- when i do i'll be sure to ask him if he knows about this. Honestly though, i don't know if he'd have the answer. If it is indeed true that there's never been a tag scene for this episode in syndication, then probably only someone involved in the original production would know for sure. Maybe it'd be better to contact DLT directly...?? :confused:


This Discussion is about the Tag scene not being on the DVD, not syndication. There are several tag scenes not shown on N@N?local stations but on the DVD the ep-"Ralph's Rival was the only episode without a Tag Scene and everyone is just trying to figure out why

drew773
08-03-2007, 11:32 PM
This Discussion is about the Tag scene not being on the DVD, not syndication. There are several tag scenes not shown on N@N?local stations but on the DVD the ep-"Ralph's Rival was the only episode without a Tag Scene and everyone is just trying to figure out why

Yes -- i know that.

My point is that no one can confirm that there's a tag scene on the episode, because no one's seen it in syndication. If there was never a tag scene shown in syndication, the only way to confirm it (except for getting a direct response from the production company) would be to see an episode taped from the original ABC run.

It's obviously not on the DVD, and that's bothering alot of people... including me. What we're trying to figure out is if there was a tag scene at all.

I'd think there would have been one, since there were tag scenes on all the episodes. But without confirmation from syndicated or original airings, there's no way we can know... and that's what we're trying to figure out!! :cool:

Mr. Television
08-03-2007, 11:34 PM
I wish I could remember since I know I saw it in its original run but my memory's not that good. :lol:

TVFactFan
08-03-2007, 11:58 PM
Yes -- i know that.

My point is that no one can confirm that there's a tag scene on the episode, because no one's seen it in syndication. If there was never a tag scene shown in syndication, the only way to confirm it (except for getting a direct response from the production company) would be to see an episode taped from the original ABC run.

It's obviously not on the DVD, and that's bothering alot of people... including me. What we're trying to figure out is if there was a tag scene at all.

I'd think there would have been one, since there were tag scenes on all the episodes. But without confirmation from syndicated or original airings, there's no way we can know... and that's what we're trying to figure out!! :cool:


But to find out if there was a tag scene at all someone would have to see the ABC ep like you said, defintely not syndication because tag scenes are nomally not in syndication, only on DVD or Original Network Airings

drew773
08-04-2007, 12:04 AM
But to find out if there was a tag scene at all someone would have to see the ABC ep like you said, defintely not syndication because tag scenes are nomally not in syndication, only on DVD or Original Network Airings

I'm not contradicting you :confused:. Some tags are intact on syndicated airings. I remember seeing different tags and cut scenes on my old local syndication, and different ones on TV Land / N@N.

This isn't an argument -- we're ALL trying to figure out what happened to the tag scene... whether it be in the original run or in syndication... but ultimately on the DVD.

Pavan
08-04-2007, 12:08 AM
To my knowledge Nick at Nite/TV Land are the only ones in syndication that aired some tag scenes. TBS/local channels always aired the scene before the tag, but they would put in a commercial break about 1-2 minutes before the scene would end to make it seem like a tag.

Anyway, no, I have no idea if a tag exists for Ralph's Rival. I've asked Chris Mann I believe when the Season 4 DVD came out, and he didn't know. DLT told me whatever Anchor Bay puts on the DVDs is the ABC versions, so that tag was likely never aired on ABC. Maybe a tag was made but it never aired, like someone said the Iranian Hostage thing was going on at the time, so maybe ABCNews broke in.

TVFactFan
08-04-2007, 12:22 AM
I'm not contradicting you :confused:. Some tags are intact on syndicated airings. I remember seeing different tags and cut scenes on my old local syndication, and different ones on TV Land / N@N.

This isn't an argument -- we're ALL trying to figure out what happened to the tag scene... whether it be in the original run or in syndication... but ultimately on the DVD.


Yeah I know, it's just a discussion. I came very close to finding the ABC ep of Ralp's Rival on 12/4/79, I received the ABC ep-"Love Barge on 11/27/79. Damm, just a week before and still not luck in finding the ABC ep of Ralph's Rival

TVFactFan
08-04-2007, 12:25 AM
To my knowledge Nick at Nite/TV Land are the only ones in syndication that aired some tag scenes. TBS/local channels always aired the scene before the tag, but they would put in a commercial break about 1-2 minutes before the scene would end to make it seem like a tag.

Anyway, no, I have no idea if a tag exists for Ralph's Rival. I've asked Chris Mann I believe when the Season 4 DVD came out, and he didn't know. DLT told me whatever Anchor Bay puts on the DVDs is the ABC versions, so that tag was likely never aired on ABC. Maybe a tag was made but it never aired, like someone said the Iranian Hostage thing was going on at the time, so maybe ABCNews broke in.



But it should have been something in the season 4 DVD explaining why there was no TAG to fill that hole in the set. So season 4 will always be incomplete

BeatleMoe
08-05-2007, 06:17 PM
I am going to assume that there wasn't a tag. The tag would only be about 45 seconds though if there were. I noticed that there wasn't a tag on the season 7 episode NAVY BLUES either, and it ran about 24:10. If there was a tag on Ralph's Rival, I would love to see it, but I am enjoying the set without it just the same.

TVFactFan
08-05-2007, 06:35 PM
I am going to assume that there wasn't a tag. The tag would only be about 45 seconds though if there were. I noticed that there wasn't a tag on the season 7 episode NAVY BLUES either, and it ran about 24:10. If there was a tag on Ralph's Rival, I would love to see it, but I am enjoying the set without it just the same.


You know I never realized that until you just brung it up. Now I have to see was Navy Blues the only ep with a Tag

Skywalker
08-05-2007, 07:29 PM
I am going to assume that there wasn't a tag. The tag would only be about 45 seconds though if there were. I noticed that there wasn't a tag on the season 7 episode NAVY BLUES either, and it ran about 24:10. If there was a tag on Ralph's Rival, I would love to see it, but I am enjoying the set without it just the same.

I'm afraid you are wrong about the running time for "Navy Blues". The correct running time for that episode is 25:07. I just checked it out for myself and also there is a season 7 dvd review which lists all the running times for the season 7 episodes. I seriously doubt that there was a Tag scene for "Navy Blues". For one thing, Tag scenes are about 30 seconds long and the lonnest running episode on the season 7 dvd is only 25:10 long and most of the episodes have the same running times, give or take a few seconds.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/threescompanyseason7dvdreview.html

BeatleMoe
08-06-2007, 07:59 PM
I am going to have to recheck that again...

People are hot over this tag thing though, ain't they? I am working on something now. I will repost here in a bit. I feel bad about adding any negativity here, which I am not meaning to do at all. I am probably wrong on the runtime for Navy Blues, but I didn't see a tag there. I am about to check....

And the runtime is 25:07. I feel like such a jerk! I am sorry about that. VERY sorry about it.

Skywalker
08-06-2007, 09:25 PM
I am going to have to recheck that again...

People are hot over this tag thing though, ain't they? I am working on something now. I will repost here in a bit. I feel bad about adding any negativity here, which I am not meaning to do at all. I am probably wrong on the runtime for Navy Blues, but I didn't see a tag there. I am about to check....

And the runtime is 25:07. I feel like such a jerk! I am sorry about that. VERY sorry about it.

It's ok. :) I never even noticed that Navy Blues didn't have a Tag scene until you mentioned it and it is kinda strange that there was no Tag scene for that episode and if that episode had run only 30 seconds shorter, I'd think that the episode was cut.

TVFactFan
08-07-2007, 12:58 AM
It's ok. :) I never even noticed that Navy Blues didn't have a Tag scene until you mentioned it and it is kinda strange that there was no Tag scene for that episode and if that episode had run only 30 seconds shorter, I'd think that the episode was cut.


pavanbadal just confirmed that he has the ABC version of Navy Blues and there was no tag. So season 7 is complete unlike season 4

TVFactFan
08-07-2007, 12:59 AM
It's ok. :) I never even noticed that Navy Blues didn't have a Tag scene until you mentioned it and it is kinda strange that there was no Tag scene for that episode and if that episode had run only 30 seconds shorter, I'd think that the episode was cut.


pavanbadal just confirmed that he has the ABC version of Navy Blues and there was no tag. So season 7 is complete unlike season 4

Jinxey
08-18-2007, 03:36 PM
To my knowledge Nick at Nite/TV Land are the only ones in syndication that aired some tag scenes. TBS/local channels always aired the scene before the tag, but they would put in a commercial break about 1-2 minutes before the scene would end to make it seem like a tag.

Anyway, no, I have no idea if a tag exists for Ralph's Rival. I've asked Chris Mann I believe when the Season 4 DVD came out, and he didn't know. DLT told me whatever Anchor Bay puts on the DVDs is the ABC versions, so that tag was likely never aired on ABC. Maybe a tag was made but it never aired, like someone said the Iranian Hostage thing was going on at the time, so maybe ABCNews broke in.

Wouldn't the episode had to have run uncut when they repeated this episode during the spring/summer of 1980 (assuming it was); if this is the ABC tape, then the tag should be on it.

Did Anchor Bay perform a quality control check and actually look at this episode to see if it appears in it's entirety on the DVD?

Does anyone have this episode on tape (from N@N, TV Land or other station) that can compare it to the DVD to see if all the scenes match up. If they do, then Anchor Bay gave us a syndicated version of the show.

Is there a way someone can locate the script for this episode?

TVFactFan
08-18-2007, 03:42 PM
Wouldn't the episode had to have run uncut when they repeated this episode during the spring/summer of 1980 (assuming it was); if this is the ABC tape, then the tag should be on it.

Did Anchor Bay perform a quality control check and actually look at this episode to see if it appears in it's entirety on the DVD?

Is there a way someone can locate the script for this episode?



When watching the episode you just get a incomplete feel at the end

Jinxey
08-18-2007, 04:04 PM
When watching the episode you just get a incomplete feel at the end

I know....since there's that gap after the break then the closing credits appear with applause from the studio audience. I think we may have a syndicated version. I never taped the syndicated version, but if someone did and can match it up to the DVD scene-for-scene, then we know we got stuck with a syndicated version.

For all you Jeffersons fans, I think might replace the term "syndicated version" with the abbreviation GALIAB (George and Louise In a Bind). If you're not sure what I mean by that...goto the Jefferson's forum....LOL

Pavan
08-18-2007, 06:00 PM
Jinxey, to answer your question TV Land has several scenes edited out in their version of Ralph's Rival compared to the DVD version. The DVD version is NOT a syndicated episode. All the Three's Company on DVD episodes are unedited from the ABC versions. The only thing that is remotely questionable is if there was a tag on Ralph's Rival. The only way we will EVER know is if someone has this episode from its original run.

Jinxey
08-18-2007, 07:52 PM
Jinxey, to answer your question TV Land has several scenes edited out in their version of Ralph's Rival compared to the DVD version. The DVD version is NOT a syndicated episode. All the Three's Company on DVD episodes are unedited from the ABC versions. The only thing that is remotely questionable is if there was a tag on Ralph's Rival. The only way we will EVER know is if someone has this episode from its original run.


OK...no GALIABs here.....but if ABC's copy has no tag, who else could possibly have an original copy?

TVFactFan
08-18-2007, 09:57 PM
Jinxey, to answer your question TV Land has several scenes edited out in their version of Ralph's Rival compared to the DVD version. The DVD version is NOT a syndicated episode. All the Three's Company on DVD episodes are unedited from the ABC versions. The only thing that is remotely questionable is if there was a tag on Ralph's Rival. The only way we will EVER know is if someone has this episode from its original run.


Hoping to have it by this time next year or before if things go as planned

TVFactFan
08-18-2007, 10:02 PM
OK...no GALIABs here.....but if ABC's copy has no tag, who else could possibly have an original copy?


I believe ABC's copy did have a TAG which creates two mysteries.

Why wasn't the Tag on the DVD?

If there wasn't a Tag then why was there not something inside the DVD stating why since the other 23 eps had Tag scenes?

Jinxey
08-19-2007, 01:59 PM
Hoping to have it by this time next year or before if things go as planned


Now...that's what I'm talking about. We will uncover this mystery once and for all. I'm still pissed off about the Jefferson's GALIAB episodes so at least we'll have a victory here.


I believe ABC's copy did have a TAG which creates two mysteries.

Why wasn't the Tag on the DVD?

If there wasn't a Tag then why was there not something inside the DVD stating why since the other 23 eps had Tag scenes?

That's why I thought there might be an video transfer issue that the tag scene was omitted. Is there anyway that Anchor Bay can go back and check this episode to see if this omission might have been an accident?

TVFactFan
08-19-2007, 02:05 PM
Now...that's what I'm talking about. We will uncover this mystery once and for all. I'm still pissed off about the Jefferson's GALIAB episodes so at least we'll have a victory here.




That's why I thought there might be an video transfer issue that the tag scene was omitted. Is there anyway that Anchor Bay can go back and check this episode to see if this omission might have been an accident?



I guess they figured we wouldnt care that much about it but they were wrong because I don't miss anything.

YELLOW11
06-26-2008, 01:31 AM
Any updates?

TVFactFan
06-26-2008, 06:49 PM
Any updates?


Nope, the closest I came to getting that ep on ABC is finding a episode that aired two weeks before Ralph's Rival which was the ep about Old man Leo