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crystaldawn
08-12-2005, 05:24 PM
I recently acquired this story in a trade (along with the Ellender segment) and I must say they are so disturbing!!! I can see why Lifetime never chose to show them (to my knowledge). The story of Roxanne Jeeves and her son Christopher was so heartbreaking one of the police being interviewed almost broke down. They did say a black male and hispanic woman was seen at their apartment complex the day of their murder. A gas station attendant later seen Roxanne and Christopher in their car with the black man (seen earlier at her apartment complex). They looked nervous and the attendant picked up on that but the little boy seemed okay so he did nothing. He did say Roxanne kept making eye contact with him and when he went back in the station he said something to the effect "you watch and see if something happens to her because she looked awful nervous". Within hours they were dead. They did mention that Roxanne's brother, Kurt Jeeves, had stayed with her before going into the military and he was into drug dealing. He had apparently made a lot of enemies with some deals that had gone wrong and some people think they were killed in retaliation. Kurt always denied he was responsible and ironically was killed himself 2 years later in a drug deal gone bad. Really disturbing story!!

Composite Sketch
08-12-2005, 05:32 PM
That case is so sad. I remember the suspect sketch had his hand up to his mouth for some reason. Definitely the oddest UM sketch I've seen.

I also recall when the bodies were discovered they were still warm, and they were killed not only on the child's birthday, but on Christmas Day.

Didn't the cop, after discovering the bodies, chase the killer, who narrowly escaped? I seem to remember the killer running away from the crime scene.

crystaldawn
08-12-2005, 06:14 PM
Well I've only seen it once now but they were actually killed on 12-23 and it was his birthday. There were Christmas gifts in the back of the car. :( They didn't show a chase scene, a cop found their car in the middle of a dirt road with the driver's side door open so he looked in a nearby field and the mother and son were there. The mother had been covered with a blanket and the boy was still warm. They did show a man (matching the composite sketch) run into a gas station (not sure how far away it was from the crime scene) and demand she let him use the phone. She wouldn't let him and said to use the pay phone outside and she saw him running away. Maybe thats the running away that you remember.

Pirate-Todd
08-13-2005, 05:29 PM
Hi CrystalDawn

What case is the Ellender segment? I don't recall that

crystaldawn
08-13-2005, 05:39 PM
Hey Todd! Well I should let Justin answer that since he is authority :) but here is a link he posted with some more info.

Him and I have discussed it at length since it stuck in our minds so much...very disturbing. It only aired one time on NBC and I don't think ever on Lifetime. After reading this link I'm curious as to how many of you guys remember this story as well.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=144373&highlight=Ellender

justins5256
08-13-2005, 05:42 PM
Hi CrystalDawn

What case is the Ellender segment? I don't recall that

I'm not Crystaldawn, but I can answer. Eric and Pam Ellender were shot to death in their home in Sulphur, Louisiana in 1991. The police arrested a coke addict named Christopher Prudhomme (sp?) and charegd him with the double homicide, which he later confessed to. Some time later, he hanged himself in his jail cell before he could be tried. Despite Prudhomme's arrest, the family of the Ellenders continued to insist that Prudhomme didn't act alone and that others were involved. There were some very disturbing allegations made including some about a coke party at the house after the Ellenders were killed, and even necrophilia.

This case has never been shown on Lifetime to my knowledge.

crystaldawn
08-13-2005, 07:16 PM
That case is so sad. I remember the suspect sketch had his hand up to his mouth for some reason. Definitely the oddest UM sketch I've seen.

I also recall when the bodies were discovered they were still warm, and they were killed not only on the child's birthday, but on Christmas Day.

Didn't the cop, after discovering the bodies, chase the killer, who narrowly escaped? I seem to remember the killer running away from the crime scene.

I'm really impressed with your memory on this case Composite Sketch! I rewatched it and they did show a toothpick or something in the mouth of the murderer's composite sketch. Also they did say when the police found the two dead the killer was seen running from the scene and at least 8 eyewitnesses reported seeing him running away or hitchhiking.

SitcomsAreTheWay
08-15-2005, 08:28 PM
That is so tragic. :(

Arnold_OldSchool
04-04-2008, 12:14 PM
I'm baffled that the police didn't give chase, as the way UM plays it out, it appears the police witnessed the suspect fleeing.

kadrmas15
04-08-2008, 12:10 AM
I dont think the police actually saw him. Or if they did they didnt know it was him. The Dallas County cops would have gone after this guy had they even had an inkling that was the guy that killed Roxanne and Kristopher. It does seem though that the cops missed George Washington Hicks by mere minutes. This is one of the most sad cases I ever saw profiled on UM. You would have to be a gutless piece of garbage to not only kill a woman and her child but especially killing them so close to Christmas. Just so senseless.

LiveByTheSea
04-19-2008, 08:15 PM
hmm I don't think I've ever seen this episode on Lifetime. it would be interesting to see though.

baton_man
04-22-2008, 09:44 PM
I recently acquired this story in a trade (along with the Ellender segment) and I must say they are so disturbing!!! I can see why Lifetime never chose to show them (to my knowledge). The story of Roxanne Jeeves and her son Christopher was so heartbreaking one of the police being interviewed almost broke down. They did say a black male and hispanic woman was seen at their apartment complex the day of their murder. A gas station attendant later seen Roxanne and Christopher in their car with the black man (seen earlier at her apartment complex). They looked nervous and the attendant picked up on that but the little boy seemed okay so he did nothing. He did say Roxanne kept making eye contact with him and when he went back in the station he said something to the effect "you watch and see if something happens to her because she looked awful nervous". Within hours they were dead. They did mention that Roxanne's brother, Kurt Jeeves, had stayed with her before going into the military and he was into drug dealing. He had apparently made a lot of enemies with some deals that had gone wrong and some people think they were killed in retaliation. Kurt always denied he was responsible and ironically was killed himself 2 years later in a drug deal gone bad. Really disturbing story!!
Crystal
I remember seeing this on one of the DVD's you sent me in the past. Is this the case where the police officer finds their vehicle and looks into the woods and finds the 2 victims.

crystaldawn
04-22-2008, 09:47 PM
Crystal
I remember seeing this on one of the DVD's you sent me in the past. Is this the case where the police officer finds their vehicle and looks into the woods and finds the 2 victims.

Yes. I'm not sure if its two police officers but it seems like he finds the car abandoned with a door open and sees Roxanne and her son in a nearby field dead. :(

slasherman
04-25-2008, 08:09 AM
I'm baffled that the police didn't give chase, as the way UM plays it out, it appears the police witnessed the suspect fleeing.
Yep..looks like the cops was allready in Christmas vacation mode..This case would have been solved that day if the police had done a proper job. Now it propably never going to be....
And agree the person who did this is nothing but GARBAGE !
Hope he died a long painful slowly death if he is dead.

Kane
04-25-2008, 10:03 AM
Yep..looks like the cops was allready in Christmas vacation mode..This case would have been solved that day if the police had done a proper job. Now it propably never going to be....
And agree the person who did this is nothing but GARBAGE !
Hope he died a long painful slowly death if he is dead.

On the contrary, the case has been solved. It just took more than two decades to identify the killer and bring him to justice. George Hicks was linked to the murders through DNA.

He was convicted of the crime last year, and given a sentence of life in prison. However, since he is already serving a lengthy prison term for an unrelated sexual assault, the life sentence he was given for killing Roxann and Kristopher is not expected to begin until the year 2024, at the earliest.

I agree, the killer is nothing but garbage. Since he is a child killer, let's hope that his fellow prisoners are not treating him well.

http://www.wcnc.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/crime/stories/DN-dnahair_30met.ART.State.Edition1.293c14a.html

slasherman
04-26-2008, 07:48 AM
On the contrary, the case has been solved. It just took more than two decades to identify the killer and bring him to justice. George Hicks was linked to the murders through DNA.

He was convicted of the crime last year, and given a sentence of life in prison. However, since he is already serving a lengthy prison term for an unrelated sexual assault, the life sentence he was given for killing Roxann and Kristopher is not expected to begin until the year 2024, at the earliest.


:rolleyes: thanks God for DNA :lol: ..thanks for updating me :wave:
..anybody got a picture of how garbage look like ? Interesting to compare him with the police sketch..

synthisislab
04-26-2008, 09:51 AM
This case was featured in the book Murderers Among Us by Stephen G. Michaud, which is a great read if you're into unexplained deaths and the like. Heather, do you have this segment on one of your UM volume discs yet? I think I saw it when it was first aired sometime in the late 80s.

crystaldawn
04-26-2008, 10:24 AM
Heather, do you have this segment on one of your UM volume discs yet?

Yes its on volume 3. My opinion is it may have been a sexual motive. UM didn't mention this but Roxann was raped by Hicks and he had been convicted in the past of rape. Its just heartbreaking to think of what they both went through the last few minutes of their life. :(

synthisislab
04-26-2008, 01:21 PM
I lost my copy of the book mentioned above, but went used bookstore hunting and came across a book entitled Reward (Paulette Cooper and Paul Noble) that I used to own back when it was new on the shelf and it also features this case along with a bunch of other unsolved crimes, some of which were featured on UM or AMW. It says in that book that she was not sexually assaulted and then focus on the brother's drug connection. In fact the title of that chapter is The Pusher's Sister. So was the guy they caught the black fellow in the composite? And did they identify the Mexican or Native American that was the black fellow's companion? Also, what ever became of the victim's brother?

And I also would like to know why the composite of the male looks like Dr. Evil. Kidding.

crystaldawn
04-26-2008, 01:27 PM
It says in that book that she was not sexually assaulted and then focus on the brother's drug connection.

Well not sure which source to believe but here's a thread with a link to an article I found about the crime that says she was raped. Isn't that how they linked him, through dna?

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=192692&highlight=Roxann+Jeeves

synthisislab
04-26-2008, 02:08 PM
It's weird because the book sites Lt. Larry Forsyth about details in the case and how the killer left a baggie containing a lemon extract bottle with formaldahyde for people to spray on marijuana cigarettes to make sherm sticks. So I guess he pursued the drug angle. Isn't that what UM focused on as well?

The book also says that the victim's brother Kurt got convicted of a drug charge, went to prison, got out and went to buy some pot. He flashes some money in the wrong part of town and 6 hours later turns up murdered.

It also describes the killer in his early to mid 30s, frizzy shoulder length hair, with a possible pinky horseshoe ring, a heavy keloid scar down the middle of his right hand, and called himself G-man. Also, according to the book, the man who picked up the killer at the gas station drove a 4-door 1954 Buick with faded green paint and rear fins.

In addition to the baggie containing the formaldahyde in the lemon bottle, he left behind a gun hoster with some markings, and they believe the murder weapon was an antique .38 Smith & Wesson, not your normal Saturday night special. Then there was also a black knit cap with a small pin that said "Super Sh*t".

So I wonder if the guy they matched DNA on got convicted of this and if he is the black fellow that they suspected back when this case got some exposure on UM and in these books. Or is it another guy entirely and the composites are just some of Kurt's shady friends that just got falsely associated with the case.

synthisislab
04-26-2008, 03:38 PM
So it was the black guy in the composite. Since I was unable to find a picture of George Hicks, I came across this article that confirms it was the guy with the stocking cap that was with the Mexican/Native American girl with the black eye (another of his murder/rape victims???):
http://http://www.texnews.com/1998/2003/texas/texas_DNA_testi48.html

"DNA testing leads to charges in 1981 murder case


Tuesday, April 8, 2003

DALLAS (AP) - In the 21 years since a mother and her 5-year-old son were found shot to death in rural Dallas County, the image of the two lying dead beside each other has stayed with law enforcement official Larry Forsyth.

"You look at those pictures, and you can see why I've kept it," said Forsyth, who originally handled the case and is now second in charge at the Dallas County Sheriff's Office as executive chief deputy.

With the help of DNA testing, investigators have found the man who they believe killed Roxann Jeeves, 30, and her son Kristopher Korper on Dec. 23, 1981, the boy's birthday.

DNA testing on hair and other evidence preserved from the case pointed to George Washington Hicks II, a Texas inmate, as the killer, sheriff's office spokesman Don Peritz said.

Peritz said Monday that Hicks was charged on March 24 in the shooting deaths of Jeeves and her son.

Authorities believe the two were taken from the parking lot of their North Dallas apartment complex and shot in a field in southeast Dallas County. Their bodies were found by a sheriff's deputy who searched the area after noticing Jeeves' car parked on the road with its door wipe open.

Investigators said Kristopher was shot once with a .38-calier pistol pressed to the center of his forehead. They believe that Jeeves was forced to watch her son's killing before she was pinned down, held by the throat and shot twice in the head.

Investigators said the suspect left behind several clues in Jeeves' car, including two hairs found in stocking cap. However, DNA technology needed to test such evidence didn't exit in 1981 and the DNA matching tests the state began doing in 1989 would have meant destroying the evidence in order to test it -- a risk Forsyth was not willing to take, Peritz said.

"Even as his career evolved, he never let the case go," Peritz told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram for its Tuesday editions. "Then, a year ago, he passes one of our crime scene detectives in the hallway and just sort of casually asks him if DNA testing has gotten any better, if we could test without losing the evidence, and the guy told him, 'Sure!'

Investigators used the state's Combined DNA Index System and found a match with Hicks.

Authorities are still looking for an unidentified woman who witnesses say they saw with Hicks at Jeeves' apartment complex the morning of the murder. The woman may be a material witness or an accomplice, although it is possible that she does not know the murder occurred, Peritz said. Authorities plan to release a composite image of the woman, believed to be an American Indian about 25 at the time of the killings, at a news conference Tuesday.

Investigators are hoping the woman will be able to tell them if the woman and her son were taken against their will. If they were, that would allow prosecutors to pursue capital murder charges because the two would have been killed during committing another felony.

Charges must be in line with the state's law in 1981. Unlike now, killing a child and committing a multiple murder were not factors allowing for the death penalty, Peritz said.

Jeeves' parents, Bob and Bonnie Jeeves, said news of about the suspect does little to heal the loss of their daughter and grandson.

"After all these years, it was sort of a shock," Bob Jeeves told The Dallas Morning News for its Tuesday editions. "It closes the door a little bit, but not entirely. After Larry called us, Bonnie and I talked about it, and naturally it brings tears."

Hicks, 52, has been incarcerated since 1994 and is currently at a prison in Huntsville serving an 80-year sentence for aggravated sexual assault, said Texas prison spokesman Larry Fitzgerald. Concurrent with that sentence, Hicks is serving two 15-year sentences for aggravated sexual assault and robbery by threat."

synthisislab
04-26-2008, 07:59 PM
Oh wow, I found the whole chapter from Murderers Among Us by Stephen G. Michaud about this case that detailed almost everything, but left out that she was raped: http://www.stephenmichaud.com/murderers.htm
So the killer was a major druggie and a possible rapist too. I think in another article I read, they matched up hairs from that hat that was left in the victim's car, so they didn't need semen to determine who the killer was. I think that is a huge fact to not release to the public, especially by Larry Forsyth, who made this case an obsession. Was the rape aspect only embellished later by the press? And maybe the Mexican girl didn't know anything about this. I wonder what the details are about how and why she left.

mattc
09-27-2009, 01:59 PM
I'm really surprised, given the horrible nature of the crime (rape and child murder), that this monster did not receive the death penalty (especially since it was in Texas). I know he'll never get out of prison, but I would think this type of crime would be exactly why the death penalty exists in that state.
Watching the segment, it is hard to believe it took 21 years to catch the guy... he was at the scene of the crime when the police got there, and he was at a gas station for 20-30 minutes waiting for an accomplice to pick him up. I'm really surprised it took this long... I guess people are right that maybe there were not too many cops on the street at the time due to christmas being a few days away.

What a horrible crime.

kadrmas15
09-27-2009, 02:13 PM
The reason George Washington Hicks did not get the death penalty was because he was sentenced under 1981 laws. At that time in Texas it was a lot harder to give the death penalty than it is now. In 1981 in Texas killing a child and committing multiple murders did not make it death penalty eligible like it would now. Hicks had to be charged in accordance with 1981 law. So Hicks was sentenced to life in prison. His 80 year prison sentence will not be over until 2024, so he will not start serving the life sentence until then, he will be eligible for parole after 15 years of that as in 1981, if you were sentenced to life in prison for murder in Texas you became eligible for parole after 15 years.

mattc
09-27-2009, 03:49 PM
The reason George Washington Hicks did not get the death penalty was because he was sentenced under 1981 laws. At that time in Texas it was a lot harder to give the death penalty than it is now. In 1981 in Texas killing a child and committing multiple murders did not make it death penalty eligible like it would now. Hicks had to be charged in accordance with 1981 law. So Hicks was sentenced to life in prison. His 80 year prison sentence will not be over until 2024, so he will not start serving the life sentence until then, he will be eligible for parole after 15 years of that as in 1981, if you were sentenced to life in prison for murder in Texas you became eligible for parole after 15 years.

Thanks for clarifying that for me! I appreciate it. I was wondering why in the world he wasn't given the death penalty. Thanks again. What a horrible crime. I'm so glad that the family has some sense of justice.

sdb4884
02-19-2010, 09:54 AM
Should have been fried like a Kentucky chicken this pathetic excuse for human life.

Kerouac98
01-10-2011, 07:36 PM
anyone know if they ever found Hick's supposed accomplice?

Clockworkhigh
01-10-2011, 11:32 PM
anyone know if they ever found Hick's supposed accomplice?

I highly doubt it. A person the caliber of Hicks wouldn't rat out someone else I am assuming. He's in the drug dealing business and the last thing he would want would be having someone else in prison after him for fingering the accomplice (if she had friends in prison that is).

Besides it was 22 years that it took them to catch him. He may not even know her whereabouts either since he was in prison for so long. A name would be nice though.

By the way, Roxanne looked like such a pretty woman, I feel sorry for her fiancee as well who was never interviewed. But the most underrated thing not brought up is her scum of a brother who would have been rolling with this type of crowd

idol
06-10-2011, 10:43 AM
Saw this case last night, very sad. Good to see the garbage is behind bars.

baloony
05-18-2012, 03:17 PM
This is one of the saddest cases ever featured on UM. Maybe someone in prison will take care of Hicks.

WishfulDreamer
05-18-2012, 05:39 PM
Did Hicks say anything pertaining to how the crime actually happened? His reasons? Just curious. It sounds like it was an unfortunate coincidence that he and the woman were in the complex and he saw Christopher alone, then maybe the woman said that Christopher had a pretty mom so he used Christopher to get to her (And had the gun). Sounds like a wrong place, wrong time kind of deal. I have to wonder if the woman didn't live in the complex if she or Hicks knew someone who did. Otherwise, why would they be there?

DALLASTEXAN!!
05-27-2014, 10:09 AM
On the contrary, the case has been solved. It just took more than two decades to identify the killer and bring him to justice. George Hicks was linked to the murders through DNA.

He was convicted of the crime last year, and given a sentence of life in prison. However, since he is already serving a lengthy prison term for an unrelated sexual assault, the life sentence he was given for killing Roxann and Kristopher is not expected to begin until the year 2024, at the earliest.

I agree, the killer is nothing but garbage. Since he is a child killer, let's hope that his fellow prisoners are not treating him well.

http://www.wcnc.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/crime/stories/DN-dnahair_30met.ART.State.Edition1.293c14a.html
I had seen these previously. Didn't realize they wernt on lifetime? But I'm glad that piece of garbage hicks was identified after all those years. Given this was so close to home I always wondered about this gruesome crime and how he could have got away with it.

DALLASTEXAN!!
05-27-2014, 10:17 AM
Did Hicks say anything pertaining to how the crime actually happened? His reasons? Just curious. It sounds like it was an unfortunate coincidence that he and the woman were in the complex and he saw Christopher alone, then maybe the woman said that Christopher had a pretty mom so he used Christopher to get to her (And had the gun). Sounds like a wrong place, wrong time kind of deal. I have to wonder if the woman didn't live in the complex if she or Hicks knew someone who did. Otherwise, why would they be there?
Yeah he was arrested for another sex assault and the first instinct of the officer was finding a rape in progress. They may have gotten distracted by the drug connection because of the prior visitor for her brother but to me it seems unlikely that after a guy leaves for the service that his prior acquainted would murder them like that to get even because it would have done nothing beneficial for them. The brother also said that he did not know anything about the murders. I think it is more likely that sexual assault was the main motive and perhaps it could of been someone that knew her brother because of drugs or it could have been a stranger.

Steve W.
01-09-2017, 08:52 PM
Yeah, I've wondered if that piece of crap Hicks killed them solely for his own enjoyment or if he did it because he was connected to Kurt Jeeves' drug dealing in some way. I still don't think there has been a clear answer to that.

baloony
04-06-2017, 04:38 PM
Yeah, I've wondered if that piece of crap Hicks killed them solely for his own enjoyment or if he did it because he was connected to Kurt Jeeves' drug dealing in some way. I still don't think there has been a clear answer to that.

That is what I have always wanted to know.

DALLASTEXAN!!
04-14-2017, 05:51 AM
Yeah, I've wondered if that piece of crap Hicks killed them solely for his own enjoyment or if he did it because he was connected to Kurt Jeeves' drug dealing in some way. I still don't think there has been a clear answer to that.
you are correct not a clear answer. there are not many details on this case other than it was solved through DNA and it appears he has a life sentence now. At one point I read somewhere they he could be paroled, but that either changed or was wrong.(thank god)

I think the police rightfully focused on the drug angle because drug violence is inevitable. but I think this was a crime of opportunity. Hicks was repeat violent crime/sex offender. He most certainly did drugs and that could be how he knew of Roxanne through her brother or the other lady in the complex. Or he could have not known of her at all until that day.

DALLASTEXAN!!
04-15-2017, 06:06 PM
According to Texas dept of corrections he is serving a life sentence but is eligible for porole in 2028. And given his repeat violent crimes I doubt he would be paroled. That would put him at nearly 80.

Steve W.
04-16-2017, 03:34 AM
you are correct not a clear answer. there are not many details on this case other than it was solved through DNA and it appears he has a life sentence now. At one point I read somewhere they he could be paroled, but that either changed or was wrong.(thank god)

I think the police rightfully focused on the drug angle because drug violence is inevitable. but I think this was a crime of opportunity. Hicks was repeat violent crime/sex offender. He most certainly did drugs and that could be how he knew of Roxanne through her brother or the other lady in the complex. Or he could have not known of her at all until that day.

It would be nice to know just for the sake of clarification.

I wonder if authorities have ever gotten Hicks to speak (on or off-the-record) about it.

DALLASTEXAN!!
04-16-2017, 05:00 AM
It would be nice to know just for the sake of clarification.

I wonder if authorities have ever gotten Hicks to speak (on or off-the-record) about it.
I'm there with you. And That's another good question. There are articles online about this case before and after it was solved. They are posted on the wiki page. One of the pages has some personal comments made about the case from friends and another victim of his. It sheds light to me personally that it was drugs and sexual assault. It doesn't have any info more about the guy nor are there many comments from the lead investigator who was retired when the case was solved. I wonder what his take was and if he made attempts to speak to the guy?

After searching... One article states he refused to speak about it. So maybe that's it. He was already serving hard time for multiple sexual assaults that he committed after the murders. Yet in spite of this he has had parole on the horizon at one point.

This is probably my worst case ever shown on UM or right there. especially since it was close to where I lived.

Steve W.
04-16-2017, 10:23 AM
Do you remember seeing a news story about this case when it first happened or did you learn about it for the first time from watching UM?

Apparently this case was featured on ID's On The Case with Paula Zahn: Field Of Nightmares:

https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2007/03/03/update-roxann-and-kristopher-jeeves-murder/


I found a lengthy, detailed 1991 article about the case: http://stephenmichaud.com/murderers.htm

Sort of OT: I found this page about Roxann's brother: http://peacetime-casualties.mooseroots.com/l/3033/Kurt-Robert-Jeeves

DALLASTEXAN!!
04-16-2017, 01:29 PM
Do you remember seeing a news story about this case when it first happened or did you learn about it for the first time from watching UM?

Apparently this case was featured on ID's On The Case with Paula Zahn: Field Of Nightmares:

https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2007/03/03/update-roxann-and-kristopher-jeeves-murder/


I found a lengthy, detailed 1991 article about the case: http://stephenmichaud.com/murderers.htm

Sort of OT: I found this page about Roxann's brother: http://peacetime-casualties.mooseroots.com/l/3033/Kurt-Robert-Jeeves

Definitely saw it first on UM. I never saw it on the Dallas news. I was born in 83. So to be fair it was before my time, but I do not ever recall this case being revised by the Dallas media like some of the other famous cases.

I read a couple of those articles. And I have not seen the Paula zahn episode I cannot find it online but will keep looking. There's another thread on here with some of our posters talking about that episode when it first premiered.

Steve W.
04-16-2017, 10:06 PM
Definitely saw it first on UM. I never saw it on the Dallas news. I was born in 83. So to be fair it was before my time, but I do not ever recall this case being revised by the Dallas media like some of the other famous cases.

I read a couple of those articles. And I have not seen the Paula zahn episode I cannot find it online but will keep looking. There's another thread on here with some of our posters talking about that episode when it first premiered.

same here! (born in '83)

It's Season 10, Episode 8 of the series. It's titled Field Of Nightmares.

DALLASTEXAN!!
04-20-2017, 04:29 AM
same here! (born in '83)

It's Season 10, Episode 8 of the series. It's titled Field Of Nightmares.
oh wow. It seems like quite a few of us here are around the same age.


thanks, I was able to find that episode online but when I tried to watch it said it was not viewable in my country. I will keep looking. Paula Zahn's show circulates here so I can set them to record. based on some of the reviews of field of nightmares not sure I want to watch it though.....

James T
07-08-2018, 11:39 AM
That car wash guy is really annoying-he thought something was wrong & said if anything happened to them he wouldn't be surprised etc, yet didn't call the cops & give a description of the vehicle & occupants. Still confused exactly how he got into their car, why was she with this guy & other woman? Where did the other woman go to? Was she herself mixed up in drugs like her brother? Was she paying off her brothers debts in some way? It doesn't sound like he & his companion just ended up there by accident & immediately pulled a gun on her.

DALLASTEXAN!!
07-08-2018, 12:47 PM
That car wash guy is really annoying-he thought something was wrong & said if anything happened to them he wouldn't be surprised etc, yet didn't call the cops & give a description of the vehicle & occupants. Still confused exactly how he got into their car, why was she with this guy & other woman? Where did the other woman go to? Was she herself mixed up in drugs like her brother? Was she paying off her brothers debts in some way? It doesn't sound like he & his companion just ended up there by accident & immediately pulled a gun on her.
Yeah if something was going to stop the crime the gas/petrol attendant was probably her only hope.(back then in Texas and many other states, petrol stations had petrol attendants) I would assume that the guy threatened to kill her and her son. that would be the only way that I think she would keep quiet in hopes that he would let them go in the end.

This was a crime of opporutnity. You can tell he did not plan well ahead based on the way everything played out as retold by witnesses and the evidence. More than likely the guy knew of her through her brother. He probably hung around the brother when she was not around and they did/sold drugs together. the murderer and his female companion probably knew someone else in the apartment complex that sold or did drugs which is likely what brought them there. as far as how he got into her car all he had to do was grab her son, which was witnessed by the neighbor. at that point he had control over her. as far as the other woman I'm sure once she saw what was happening she walked away and unfortunately never came forward.

thinwhiteduke74
07-17-2018, 10:04 PM
Is this one of the few profiled cases in which eyewitness testimony was so numerous and accurate?

DALLASTEXAN!!
08-04-2018, 09:28 AM
Is this one of the few profiled cases in which eyewitness testimony was so numerous and accurate?

Definitely. It seems like everyone but law enforcement saw him escaping the scene. Despite being in dallas county, It was a rural area where the crime took place. He was extremely lucky to get away. Apparently there was a good witness that came forward after many years. He approached their house near the scene asking for help and they were suspicious of his actions but turned him away. in fear of being involved they did not come forward until some time later when she claimed that she could ID him if given the chance. I imagine linking these witnesses with the gas station attendants they were able to piece together his actions. Then they had a dna match that sealed the case.