When Did Show Jump The Shark to you?
Choices
Roseanne and Dan win the lottery
Same character, different actor (Becky)
Never Jumped
The "new" Roseanne
Birth (Andy)
Bev Comes Out of The Closet
Too much Tom Arnold
The last season
I Don't (Fred and Jackie)
Tom and Roseanne split
The finale
They go broke
Darlene gets pregnant
Roseanne gets pregnant
Sudden Career Change
Darlene goes to college
Jackie gets stupid
I Do (Darlene)
Roseanne assumes creative control
Puberty (Darlene)
Exit...Stage Left (Tom Arnold)
Dan has a heart attack
The writing gets bad
New Cast Members
DisneyWorld!
Roseanne Barr's psychiatric history revealed
Roseanne and Sara get nose jobs
Special Guest Star (Ellen DeGeneres)
Birth(Jerry Garcia Conner)
I Do (Jackie and Fred)
Dan cheats on Roseanne
Everybody moves in together
Roseambo
Fights and Stuff
It got old
Roseanne sings the National Anthem
Birth(Harris Conner Healy)

I'll go with the finle even though the last season was hit and miss with me overall.

Well I was watching the last season eps on Nick at Nite last night & I hate it.It seemed like the show should have changed to "Roseanne & Jackie's wild adventures!" I mean every episode deals with them going on a trip & getting mixed with some very stuck up,top-notched rich people.I didn't like them winning the lottery... Everything just seems weird so far in the last season.Then I didn't like the ep last night where Dan cheated on Roseanne. I thought Roseanne let Dan off the hook a little too good for me.

I thought Roseanne let Dan off the hook a little too good for me.
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I would say the last season because thats when it truely jumped the shark but i still enjoy that season very much...

Although I still liked the last season, I think the Conners winning the lottery was a little much, and it was rather unbelievable that they won after buying only one ticket (the odds of that are astronomical)

Although I still liked the last season, I think the Conners winning the lottery was a little much, and it was rather unbelievable that they won after buying only one ticket (the odds of that are astronomical)

I think they had been buying them for a while because they mentioned them a couple times before Dan had his Heart Attack to Bev. and This one had to be different Than the ones then they mentioned earlier because they choose all the #'s in the Hospital

It was when they went back to using Becky #2 and then was used like an extra along with Bev. saying the only she could have sex with her ex husband was by going to the convenient store and looking at the playboy pictures.

I think the show officially jumped in the final episode. Good time to go out IMO. Season 9 had a few horrid episodes but for the most part was still a fun ride

Well I was watching the last season eps on Nick at Nite last night & I hate it.It seemed like the show should have changed to "Roseanne & Jackie's wild adventures!" I mean every episode deals with them going on a trip & getting mixed with some very stuck up,top-notched rich people.I didn't like them winning the lottery... Everything just seems weird so far in the last season.Then I didn't like the ep last night where Dan cheated on Roseanne. I thought Roseanne let Dan off the hook a little too good for me.


I felt like the last season was trying to be like Lucy and Ethal, but a very bad version of it. I am just thankful that N@N skips a lot of the really crappy episodes, this is one time I can thank them for skipping.

As for jumping the shark, I enjoy the show most of the time but it jumps on quite a few occassions and then rebuilds itself only to jump again.

I'm picking something that isn't on that list. It jumped when imposter Becky came along.

The real Becky was strong willed and opinionated. The fake Becky was a wet noodle with no opinions on anything.

I'm picking something that isn't on that list. It jumped when imposter Becky came along.

The real Becky was strong willed and opinionated. The fake Becky was a wet noodle with no opinions on anything.
It is on the list. Anyhow, my opinion is when Roseanne became pregnant with her fourth child. It really hit rock bottom when they won the lottery.

It is on the list.
Thanks!

I would say the finale.

along with Bev. saying the only she could have sex with her ex husband was by going to the convenient store and looking at the playboy pictures.


Is it wrong that I laughed at that? :lol:

Not that Beverly being gay was in anyway believable.

I think that Dan's Bike Shop fiasco wrecked the show in many ways. The show became depressing during that time. I've already said in another topic that I thought Becky running off and marrying Mark was unbelievable, too, although I was glad to see Becky gone.

I feel most episodes with Becky #2 suck.

However, when Becky #2 isn't in the epsidoes during seasons 6, 7 and 8, I feel the show is still amazing. So, although the seasons with Becky #2 aren't as good as the original 5 seasons, they are still, overall, funny, witty and groundbreaking.

But the last season truly sucked. So I feel "Roseanne" jumped the shark when the Conner's won the lottery.

The episodes don't even feel or look like "Roseanne". The setting is all weird, the storylines aren't realistic (even for people who won the lottery), and the episodes don't look very rehearsed. They resorted to more slapstick humor and very poor jokes. The show just became full of randomness, surrealism and of poor quality.

I honestly feel season 9 was a spin-off to the show because "Roseanne" was all about being realistic, and season 9 wasn't realistic in the least, even for people who won the lottery. Plus, the quality of the show (the set, the acting, the jokes) all turned to crap.

I'm sorry, I love "Roseanne" and it's my favorite show. I just cannot STAND season 9. It should have ended after the episode "Fights n' Stuff". That was a PERFECT way to end the series, tying DIRECTLY back to the very first episodes titled "Life n' Stuff".

And yes, I know all of season 9 was a dream. But that's a cop-out. Plain and simple.

Sorry, I just get heated about this because I feel the reputation of "Roseanne" as being one of the greatest TV shows of all time is always hindered because of this last season.

^^^^ :clap: You know how I feel abt the show too. I know your love for it and I am with you on that. The finale stinked, though it was a great way to blow the audience away. A la Newhart. :lol: I just wish it could have had the same great intensity in another way without telling us that the last few years was bogus. I was burned once by DALLAS, one of my fave shows, when they gave us that dream season, and here again with ROSEANNE. I can't stand it!!!!! :mad: :lol:

Started going downhill and getting silly in season 8. Less said about season 9, the better.

The lottery!! Enough said. :eek:

The finale

For me the show jumped the shark at the beginning of season 6. In between seasons I think Roseanne had surgery or whatever and came back looking different. That wasn't the problem of course, her character turned bitchy and mean. The show had good episodes seasons 6-8, but I think the beginning of season 6 is when it lost some of it's charm. It just got mean spirited. You could go further by saying when they hit the lottery, that's when things got really bad. But season 6 was the start for me.

I agree i didn't like the character change of Becky, she just wasn't the same character, she was more of a bimbo and i don't like that they made Mark dumb, also David got to sensitive and feminine, what was that all about.
Season nine was definetely a downfall, most of the episoded were just silly and meaningless until Darlene had the baby. Still one of my most favorite shows though.

The ninth season, not so much that they won the lottery, but because Dan left. I with they ended the series at season 8, since John Goodman wanted out.

I'm picking something that isn't on that list. It jumped when imposter Becky came along.

The real Becky was strong willed and opinionated. The fake Becky was a wet noodle with no opinions on anything.

I agree, the show was never the same after fake, generic Becky showed up. :(

I think it's a mixture of Roseanne's character changing and the writing being not as good. Some combination of the two over the course of the show. You could see sprinklings of it as far back as season 4. Season 5 is where it begins after Becky has left the show. I think Roseanne, the show, can be divided into two eras: pre-Becky Roseanne and post-Becky Roseanne. There are other things, but they all lead back to those two.

I think the series started going downhill in season seven. I still enjoyed parts of seasons seven and eight, but they weren't nearly as strong as the earlier seasons.

So I agree with many when they list Roseanne getting pregnant as the point where the series really started its turn toward mediocrity.

Even so, I still enjoyed parts of seasons seven, eight and even nine - but there aren't nearly as many episodes I outright like compared to other seasons.

I think the series started going downhill in season seven. I still enjoyed parts of seasons seven and eight, but they weren't nearly as strong as the earlier seasons.

So I agree with many when they list Roseanne getting pregnant as the point where the series really started its turn toward mediocrity.

Even so, I still enjoyed parts of seasons seven, eight and even nine - but there aren't nearly as many episodes I outright like compared to other seasons.

I agree that there was a few good episodes through the later seasons. :)

Is it wrong that I laughed at that? :lol:

Not that Beverly being gay was in anyway believable.

I think that Dan's Bike Shop fiasco wrecked the show in many ways. The show became depressing during that time. I've already said in another topic that I thought Becky running off and marrying Mark was unbelievable, too, although I was glad to see Becky gone.

I agree with you. I thought the whole storyline of Bev being gay was incredibly unrealistic, and was a plot the show could have done without. As for the Bike Shop, it is true that the series got a bit too serious and a tad dark for what was suppose to be a comedy sitcom. They found a way to make it funny, but I thought the whole season was filled with many dark/depressing storylines. Dan losing the Bike shop and him not speaking to Becky because of her eloping, Roseanne and Jackie's dad dying, David planning to run away and Roseanne letting him move in with them after seeing how verbally abusive his mother was to him, Rosie finding out that Jackie was being phsyically abused by her boyfriend...this though it had a few of the most real episodes that I had seen were very dark and dramatic.

See, I disagree. I think that's what made Roseanne such a hit - the fact it blended comedy and drama so very well. It was like real life and not everything was resolved with a happy ending.

Up until that point, most sitcoms always had everything wrapped up by the end of the thirty minutes and it was done, generally, anyway, in a happy, everything will be fine fashion. Roseanne was never like that. Even in the first couple seasons where they battled to keep their little universe going.

Sure, the series took on a bit more darker tone after season two, but it was done very well (up until season six). At least that's how I've always felt.

That's not to say season six and beyond didn't muck it up with the drama aspect of it. Dan's heart attack, cheating on Roseanne, Bev coming out of the closet, the entire baby storyline left me thinking there was just too much going on in those final two seasons and the humor wasn't nearly as strong.

But the series did balance the line between comedy and drama very well up until the final two seasons.

At least that's my take, anyway.

See, I disagree. I think that's what made Roseanne such a hit - the fact it blended comedy and drama so very well. It was like real life and not everything was resolved with a happy ending.

Up until that point, most sitcoms always had everything wrapped up by the end of the thirty minutes and it was done, generally, anyway, in a happy, everything will be fine fashion. Roseanne was never like that. Even in the first couple seasons where they battled to keep their little universe going.

Sure, the series took on a bit more darker tone after season two, but it was done very well (up until season six). At least that's how I've always felt.

That's not to say season six and beyond didn't muck it up with the drama aspect of it. Dan's heart attack, cheating on Roseanne, Bev coming out of the closet, the entire baby storyline left me thinking there was just too much going on in those final two seasons and the humor wasn't nearly as strong.

But the series did balance the line between comedy and drama very well up until the final two seasons.

At least that's my take, anyway.


I agree with you that part of the charm and popularity of Roseanne was the fact that while they had many serious topics on the show, such as unemployment, child abuse, teenage marriage, and death through them all they always found a way to bring the appropriate amount of humor into the situation without seeming over the top or that they were making fun of matters. I wasn't saying that at all, but what my point was the fifth season was the most drama filled and had a lot of dark themed episodes. However, these are episodes that I enjoy the most just because the emotion is just so real that you really feel for the characters and what they are going through, while the same time adding comedy so the situation doesn't become too serious and feel like you are watching a soap oprea instead of a sitcom.

I can't believe Roseanne's kiss with (was it?) Mariel Hemmingway wasn't mentioned as a JTS moment! :eek:

I agree with you that part of the charm and popularity of Roseanne was the fact that while they had many serious topics on the show, such as unemployment, child abuse, teenage marriage, and death through them all they always found a way to bring the appropriate amount of humor into the situation without seeming over the top or that they were making fun of matters. I wasn't saying that at all, but what my point was the fifth season was the most drama filled and had a lot of dark themed episodes. However, these are episodes that I enjoy the most just because the emotion is just so real that you really feel for the characters and what they are going through, while the same time adding comedy so the situation doesn't become too serious and feel like you are watching a soap oprea instead of a sitcom.

Sorry, I was really replying to the post you were originally replying to in your reply (say that five times fast).

I agree with you. The drama added to the series, I think.

Sorry, I was really replying to the post you were originally replying to in your reply (say that five times fast).

I agree with you. The drama added to the series, I think.

I apologize then, I didn't mean to be rude if I was.

No. Not rude at all. Just wanted to clarify that I was more or less agreeing with you. :D

No. Not rude at all. Just wanted to clarify that I was more or less agreeing with you. :D

Thank you then. :)

I can't believe Roseanne's kiss with (was it?) Mariel Hemmingway wasn't mentioned as a JTS moment! :eek:

It was revealed on the TVland Awards that the kiss almost didn't make it to air just becauase stuff like that had never been done on TV before and the networks I think were unsure of allowing such behavior but like everything, Roseanne had to fight for what she wanted and won.

It was revealed on the TVland Awards that the kiss almost didn't make it to air just becauase stuff like that had never been done on TV before and the networks I think were unsure of allowing such behavior but like everything, Roseanne had to fight for what she wanted and won.

Yeah, ABC was really pushing against the idea.

In fact, Roseanne threatened to move the series to another network if ABC didn't allow the kiss (which would've been huge, since, at the time, Roseanne was the 4th watched television show that year).

I think it jump the shark in Season 8. Season 8 was still good and still had some funny episodes but it's got to wacky and too much fantasy but I think it's still had a lot of Good episodes, Season 9 was okay but was worse then season 8 well the worst of the whole series. Season 9 still managed to have some good episodes(Thanksgiving, Christmas, A Second Chance The Miracle) I think the last great Season was 7.

I am not a fan of season 1 or 2, I don't know why but i am not just not that fond of those first 2 Season especially 1. Season 1 is still a good seasons with lots of good episodes and it's better then season 8 and 9, It was still a good start to a long running Successful program. But something just bugs me about that season, Season 2 was better then Season 1 I think, What I notice was in Season 2 when Roseanne got more control(Had control but not complete Control) and they started hiring new peoples and fired peoples(Some) from season 1 including Matt Williams the show really started to pick up. The writing and acting got better, Season 3 was it peak season and that when it hit it stride, Season 3 is better the the first 2 in my opinion. Every epiode was a good one, I think the besy years of the Show are season 3-7, With 4-6 Top Notch.

My Favorite seasons:
4 Favorite
3
5
6
7
2
1
8
9 Least Favorite

1 # The Connors Winning the Lottery
2 # Cheating Dan
3 # Bev Being Gay
4 # Crazy Jackie ( As the seasons went on Jackie just got louder and much more insane)
5 # Jerry Garcia Connor (The Connors didn't need to have another baby)
6 # Jackie and Fred Getting Divorced
7 # Darlene gets pregnant
8 # Becky 2
9 # Darlene Going To College
10# Crystal Marrying Ed

1 # The Connors Winning the Lottery
2 # Cheating Dan
3 # Bev Being Gay
4 # Crazy Jackie ( As the seasons went on Jackie just got louder and much more insane)
5 # Jerry Garcia Connor (The Connors didn't need to have another baby)
6 # Jackie and Fred Getting Divorced
7 # Darlene gets pregnant
8 # Becky 2
9 # Darlene Going To College
10# Crystal Marrying Ed


I agree with your list.IT still baffles the mind as to why they did any of those things.Especially Dan cheating.

I think Bev announcing she was a lesbian was the bigest JTS moment. That was just whack!

I think Bev announcing she was a lesbian was the bigest JTS moment. That was just whack!
I agree lol that and crazy Jackie we're right up there.I think the show could of lasted longer.If those things didn't happen.

9 # Darlene Going To College
I don't see how Darlene going to College is a "Jump the Shark" moment. I thought this was a great storyline, that, for the the most part, was handled well.

I may be in the minority here, but I LOVED the completely over-the-top Jackie in later years. :lol:

I don't see how Darlene going to College is a "Jump the Shark" moment. I thought this was a great storyline, that, for the the most part, was handled well.

I may be in the minority here, but I LOVED the completely over-the-top Jackie in later years. :lol:



I was fine with Darlene going to college.Even the Jackie thing wasn't so bad.But Bev being gay and Dan Cheating i didn't like or Dan dying.I thought it should of ended on a happier note.And not got so off the wall over the top.

I was fine with Darlene going to college.Even the Jackie thing wasn't so bad.But Bev being gay and Dan Cheating i didn't like or Dan dying.I thought it should of ended on a happier note.And not got so off the wall over the top.


Bev being gay was so far beyond being realistic that it's not even funny, and Dan cheating I didn't like that either I thought that was wrong. I understand that this is a common thing with women who lose their husband quite suddenly that they do feel betrayed and feel that they left them and worked it into the story. Dan dying I do have to agree that was a bit depressing and would have been happier, but I think what they were trying to let us know is that life is full of unexpected surprises and it doesn't end happily that way we would hope. However, even without Dan she seemed to end this a somewhat happier note but talking about all "real" people in her life and how they influenced her life.

Bev being gay was so far beyond being realistic that it's not even funny, and Dan cheating I didn't like that either I thought that was wrong. I understand that this is a common thing with women who lose their husband quite suddenly that they do feel betrayed and feel that they left them and worked it into the story. Dan dying I do have to agree that was a bit depressing and would have been happier, but I think what they were trying to let us know is that life is full of unexpected surprises and it doesn't end happily that way we would hope. However, even without Dan she seemed to end this a somewhat happier note but talking about all "real" people in her life and how they influenced her life.



I just don't think. Dan was the type of guy.That would do something like that.And i completley agree with you,About the Bev being gay thing.Yeah,After 60 years,She's going to come out of the closet lol.I just wanted it to end.With Dan and Roseanne together and him alive.But you are right.I guess she was trying to be realistic.And in reality things very seldom Do end Happy,But at the same time.That's why i always loved sitcoms.Because things usally did turn out for the best.Unlike real life.

I just don't think. Dan was the type of guy.That would do something like that.And i completley agree with you,About the Bev being gay thing.Yeah,After 60 years,She's going to come out of the closet lol.I just wanted it to end.With Dan and Roseanne together and him alive.But you are right.I guess she was trying to be realistic.And in reality things very seldom Do end Happy,But at the same time.That's why i always loved sitcoms.Because things usally did turn out for the best.Unlike real life.
It was revealed in the series finale that he did not cheat.

It was revealed in the series finale that he did not cheat.


I don't remember that.I remember them fighting after he confessed to it.How could they all of a sudden say he didn't cheat?

I don't remember that.I remember them fighting after he confessed to it.How could they all of a sudden say he didn't cheat?



And i'm pretty sure.I remember the last episode too.That is where Dan had a heart attack at Darlenes wedding right?

I don't remember that.I remember them fighting after he confessed to it.How could they all of a sudden say he didn't cheat?
It is revealed in the series finale that the 9th season was a fantasy of Roseanne's. She fell into a drepression when Dan died at Darlene and David's wedding at the end of season 8. She 'imagined' Dan cheating on her, because she felt cheated when he died, and that was her way of dealing with it. She snapped out of her depressed state when Darlene's baby was born premature. They never won the lottery. Dan never cheated.

It is revealed in the series finale that the 9th season was a fantasy of Roseanne's. She fell into a drepression when Dan died at Darlene and David's wedding at the end of season 8. She 'imagined' Dan cheating on her, because she felt cheated when he died, and that was her way of dealing with it. She snapped out of her depressed state when Darlene's baby was born premature. They never won the lottery. Dan never cheated.
I only vaguely remember the last season. I just remember John Goodman wanted off the show, but was back for the finale. I didn't realize, everything, including winning the lottery, was a dream! Me thinks they had regrets about the 9th season plot, thus dismissing it as Roseanne's fantasy.

I only vaguely remember the last season. I just remember John Goodman wanted off the show, but was back for the finale. I didn't realize, everything, including winning the lottery, was a dream! Me thinks they had regrets about the 9th season plot, thus dismissing it as Roseanne's fantasy.
It was originally intended to be that way, by Roseanne. It was so over the top and downright campy at times. She knew she would resolve it in the end. John Goodman didn't want off the show; He was filming a movie during the TV season and needed time off to do so. They were under the impression there would be a 10th season...

The flow and understanding may be better if you watch Darlene and David's wedding, then follow it up with the series finale. I've done that myself years ago.

It was originally intended to be that way, by Roseanne. It was so over the top and downright campy at times. She knew she would resolve it in the end. John Goodman didn't want off the show; He was filming a movie during the TV season and needed time off to do so. They were under the impression there would be a 10th season...

The flow and understanding may be better if you watch Darlene and David's wedding, then follow it up with the series finale. I've done that myself years ago.



I think i kind of remember it being revealed as a fantasy now.I guess i will just have to order them all from the library and watch them again.Thanks for the information.It's been a long time since ive seen it.

I think i kind of remember it being revealed as a fantasy now.I guess i will just have to order them all from the library and watch them again.Thanks for the information.It's been a long time since ive seen it.
Just to point it out, Bev was not a Lesbian. This was also part of Roseanne's depression-fantasy.

Here's the final moments of the iconic series, which sums up that whacky final year;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Y6BUgq320

Is it wrong that I laughed at that? :lol:

Not that Beverly being gay was in anyway believable.

I think that Dan's Bike Shop fiasco wrecked the show in many ways. The show became depressing during that time. I've already said in another topic that I thought Becky running off and marrying Mark was unbelievable, too, although I was glad to see Becky gone.

That's the way I felt about Darlene leaving too. I didn't find it believable at all that after seeing their oldest daughter ruined her chances of a good education by marrying her boyfriend would they have left her go to College. If that had been real-life, Dan and Roseanne would have told her no and made her finish High School. They wouldn't let what happened to Becky, happened to Darlene too and would fight to make sure that she completed her education. That's what I think anyway.

I didn't think letting Darlene go off to college was unrealistic. I think it had been established throughout the series Darlene was hardly like Becky and while every parent is going to be concerned seeing their child off, the ultimate premise still holds up: Roseanne & Dan want what's best for their kids and that was the best possible situation for Darlene.

Now when it became clear she was doing drugs and they allowed her to return, well, that's a different point entirely. But in the end, I think it was an okay story line.

I always felt the series officially jumped the shark when Roseanne got pregnant. So, really, at the start of Season Seven. I still felt the season had some strong episodes - Skeleton in the Closet is hilariously funny and I liked Thanksgiving '94, as well as Couch Potatoes. But that season really started showing a decline in the series. DJ became increasingly annoying, the story lines weren't nearly as good and Roseanne started becoming even more unbearable at times.

The remaining two seasons really illustrate this decline. But it's hard for me to say that it jumped the shark at the end of Season 5. I really did enjoy Season 6 and jumping the shark implies the series really started its decline at that point. Maybe I'm in the minority, but as I said, I really did enjoy Season 6. In fact, some of my favorite episodes aired during that season:

A Stash from the Past - Unbelievably funny when they get high in the bathroom. That episode is maybe the funniest of the series, IMO.

Halloween V - Another classic Halloween episode.

Guilt by Imagination - Loved the call back to Phyllis Zimmer.

Thanksgiving '93 - Probably one of the best Thanksgiving episodes the series did.

So, yeah, I think the decline really became apparent after Roseanne found out she was pregnant.

I didn't think letting Darlene go off to college was unrealistic. I think it had been established throughout the series Darlene was hardly like Becky and while every parent is going to be concerned seeing their child off, the ultimate premise still holds up: Roseanne & Dan want what's best for their kids and that was the best possible situation for Darlene.

Now when it became clear she was doing drugs and they allowed her to return, well, that's a different point entirely. But in the end, I think it was an okay story line.

I always felt the series officially jumped the shark when Roseanne got pregnant. So, really, at the start of Season Seven. I still felt the season had some strong episodes - Skeleton in the Closet is hilariously funny and I liked Thanksgiving '94, as well as Couch Potatoes. But that season really started showing a decline in the series. DJ became increasingly annoying, the story lines weren't nearly as good and Roseanne started becoming even more unbearable at times.

The remaining two seasons really illustrate this decline. But it's hard for me to say that it jumped the shark at the end of Season 5. I really did enjoy Season 6 and jumping the shark implies the series really started its decline at that point. Maybe I'm in the minority, but as I said, I really did enjoy Season 6. In fact, some of my favorite episodes aired during that season:

A Stash from the Past - Unbelievably funny when they get high in the bathroom. That episode is maybe the funniest of the series, IMO.

Halloween V - Another classic Halloween episode.

Guilt by Imagination - Loved the call back to Phyllis Zimmer.

Thanksgiving '93 - Probably one of the best Thanksgiving episodes the series did.

So, yeah, I think the decline really became apparent after Roseanne found out she was pregnant.



I enjoyed every season.I just enjoyed the last one the least.

I enjoyed every season.I just enjoyed the last one the least.

Well I do too. But relative to where the series was at its peak, the final three seasons were far more hit & miss with me. The last season, while I do enjoy some of the fantasy elements of it, just didn't feel like Roseanne.

Well I do too. But relative to where the series was at its peak, the final three seasons were far more hit & miss with me. The last season, while I do enjoy some of the fantasy elements of it, just didn't feel like Roseanne.
"Jumping The Shark" isn't necessarily about the decline in quality. Roseanne "Jumped The Shark" when they started losing all sense of reality, and the show went nuts. Like Fonzie literally jumping a shark on Happy Days - someone in a '50s sitcom jumping over a shark completely ruined the premise of that show.

I loved Roseanne all the way through, but would say they "jumped it" somewhere during season 7. I think Roseanne was at it's peak in seasons 5 and 6, and don't think it was ever any better than those two years.

"Jumping The Shark" isn't necessarily about the decline in quality. Roseanne "Jumped The Shark" when they started losing all sense of reality, and the show went nuts. Like Fonzie literally jumping a shark on Happy Days - someone in a '50s sitcom jumping over a shark completely ruined the premise of that show.

I loved Roseanne all the way through, but would say they "jumped it" somewhere during season 7. I think Roseanne was at it's peak in seasons 5 and 6, and don't think it was ever any better than those two years.

Well see, you and I agree. It jumped it around season seven, even if the quality didn't decrease dramatically.

I felt the show began it's decline mid-season six, right after Jackie had her baby. I'm not sure what happened, but the show just lost so much steam at this point. I found it impossible to like Jackie with that hideous butch haircut. I cannot fathom why anyone would intentionally do that to their hair. From that point on, Jackie looked and acted like a lesbian. Nancy looked straight in comparison. Fred was such a snooze. David became a one-note wimp. Darlene's character became bland and unfunny. The writing in thhe final two years was abysmal. Mostly what irritated me the most was Jackie's butch, oover-the-top performance.

Let me just clarify one thing. I do think LM is extraordinarily talented at playing lesbian characters. She is extremely convincing when portraying women who are sexually attracted to other women. She is eerily good. The look of desire in her eyes is almost palpable. But Jackie was supposed to be straight (disregarding the ridiculous series finale).

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Sean i feel your pain dude. :(