View Full Version : Nine Planets in the Solar System? Not No More...WE HAVE TEN!


Chelsea
07-29-2005, 08:49 PM
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050729_new_planet.html

Astronomers have discovered a new planet in our solar system, a world larger than Pluto.

It is the first time an object so big has been found in our solar system since the discovery of Pluto 75 years ago.

The discovery, announced today by Mike Brown of Caltech, came just hours after another newfound object, one slightly smaller than Pluto, was announced.

The new planet, temporarily named 2003 UB313, is about three times as far from the Sun as is Pluto.

"It's definitely bigger than Pluto," said Brown, who is professor of planetary astronomy. The object could be up to twice as large as Pluto, Brown told reporters in a hastily called teleconference Friday evening.

It was found using the Samuel Oschin Telescope at Palomar Observatory.

The object is highly inclined to the main plane of the solar system, where most of the other planets orbit. Some astronomers may view it as a Kuiper Belt Object and not a planet. Pluto itself is called a Kuiper Belt Object by many astronomers.

"Pluto has been a planet for so long that the world is comfortable with that," Brown said in the teleconference. "It seems to me a logical extension that anything bigger than Pluto and farther out is a planet."

The assertion is one that several astronomers have dreamed of making in recent years as a bevy of objects roughly half the size of Pluto have been found.

The new world is about 97 astronomical units from the Sun. An astronomical unit is the distance between the Sun and Earth. The new planet becomes the farthest-known object in the solar system, and the third brightest of the Kuiper belt objects.

Backyard astronomers with large telescopes may be able to spot the planet No. 10.

"It will be visible over the next six months and is currently almost directly overhead in the early-morning eastern sky, in the constellation Cetus," says Brown, who made the discovery with colleagues Chad Trujillo, of the Gemini Observatory, and David Rabinowitz, of Yale University, on Jan. 8.

The team had hoped to analyze the data further before announcing the planet but were forced to do so Friday evening because word had leaked out, Brown said.

Brown and Trujillo first photographed the new planet with the 48-inch Samuel Oschin Telescope on Oct. 31, 2003. However, the object was so far away that its motion was not detected until they reanalyzed the data in January of this year. In the last seven months, the scientists have been studying the planet to better estimate its size and its motions.

Scientists infer the size of a solar-system object by its brightness and distance. The reflectiveness of the new planet is not known, however, which is why the estimate of it's diameter ranges from one to two times the size of Pluto. But those constraints are well supported by the data, Brown said.

"Even if it reflected 100 percent of the light reaching it, it would still be as big as Pluto," says Brown. "I'd say it's probably one and a half times the size of Pluto, but we're not sure yet of the final size. But we are 100 percent confident that this is the first object bigger than Pluto ever found in the outer solar system."

The upper size limit is constrained by results from the Spitzer Space Telescope, which records heat in the form of infrared light. Because the Spitzer can't detect the new planet, the overall diameter must be less twice Pluto's size, Brown said.

Brown and his colleagues have proposed a name for the new planet to the International Astronomical Union, and they are awaiting the decision of this body before announcing the name.

Hollow
07-29-2005, 08:57 PM
MAYBE THA ASTROMONONERS JUS UNKNOWINGINGLY HAD A LIL BALL ATTACHED 2 THA TELESCOPE AND THEY THOT IS WAS A PLANET.

*Pleasant Tomorrow*
07-29-2005, 09:02 PM
Seriously?!?! That's effing awesome...[/spacenerd] Ahah, I seriously have this whole space encyclopedia I just started reading.

Chad22
07-29-2005, 09:18 PM
Awesome News!

Tuesday Weld
07-29-2005, 09:22 PM
Wow! :D

Nighthawk76
07-29-2005, 09:22 PM
This is really cool news.

EmoJoe
07-29-2005, 09:41 PM
Cool :D

Rhiannon
07-29-2005, 09:47 PM
thumbs up

Brent88
07-29-2005, 10:02 PM
There goes the

"My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas" to remember the planet names.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

TJL
07-29-2005, 10:08 PM
Do you think they'll have a contest to come up with a name?

Better yet, some corporation will pay money to name it!

"Planet iPod"

I like that...

Fleet
07-29-2005, 10:12 PM
Amazing.
I used to read a lot of Astronomy books back in the 1970s, and some of them speculated that there may be another planet orbiting past Pluto. It looks like they are right! I wonder if this planet has rings like the "giant" planets do (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune).

Hey, maybe this is the planet that "Kang" and "Kodos" (of the Simpsons) are from. :confused:

Fleet
07-29-2005, 10:13 PM
Do you think they'll have a contest to come up with a name?

Better yet, some corporation will pay money to name it!

"Planet iPod"

I like that...
I think it should be called "Aldarin" or "Tatoonie."
Or, even better, "Vulcan."

barwars
07-29-2005, 10:15 PM
I think it should be called "Aldarin"

Ohh great, so now it's doomed to be exploded.

barwars
07-29-2005, 10:17 PM
There goes the

"My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas" to remember the planet names.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I always thought it was....
My Very Educated Mother Just Showed Us Nine Planets

TJL
07-29-2005, 10:19 PM
I think it should be called "Aldarin" or "Tatoonie."
Or, even better, "Vulcan."

:lol:

George Lucas probably would go along with it..

Majel Barrett Roddenberry? She'd sue..

;)

Fleet
07-29-2005, 10:20 PM
Ohh great, so now it's doomed to be exploded.
:lol:
Well maybe Yoda will be around to prevent that from happening. ;)
(In spirit form, of course.)

PZelda
07-29-2005, 10:24 PM
I always thought it was....
My Very Educated Mother Just Showed Us Nine Planets
With me, it was:

My Very Excited Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas

:D

Stormtracker TF
07-29-2005, 10:34 PM
That's awesome.

Hollow
07-29-2005, 10:44 PM
There goes the

"My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas" to remember the planet names.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
oh caaaam aaaan, we can just add to it.

EmoJoe
07-29-2005, 10:50 PM
oh caaaam aaaan, we can just add to it.
Yeah :lol:

robyrob
07-29-2005, 11:06 PM
Amazing.
I used to read a lot of Astronomy books back in the 1970s, and some of them speculated that there may be another planet orbiting past Pluto. It looks like they are right! I wonder if this planet has rings like the "giant" planets do (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune).

Hey, maybe this is the planet that "Kang" and "Kodos" (of the Simpsons) are from. :confused:
too small to have rings

i vote they call it "Marvin"

*Pleasant Tomorrow*
07-30-2005, 12:02 AM
I vote they call it :racist:

TheHappyBurgerMeister
07-30-2005, 12:40 AM
that's way cool! They really should have a contest to name it!

Fleet
07-30-2005, 01:07 AM
that's way cool! They really should have a contest to name it!
I think it should be called "Michael Jackson" because that's probably where he's from (he sure ain't from Earth)!

Fleet
07-30-2005, 01:09 AM
too small to have rings

i vote they call it "Marvin"
Yeah, it probably is too small for that. Has the diameter been mentioned? All I've heard is "bigger than Pluto."

"Marvin?" :confused:

Karen*
07-30-2005, 01:35 AM
WTF? :eek: I'm surprised, but that's awesomeness. :D

Dutabi84
07-30-2005, 05:20 AM
Sweet. I was getting pretty bored with the 9 other planets anyhow.

Magnum
07-30-2005, 07:50 AM
They found 2 new plantes past pluto three years ago, but a year later decided they were very large comets and ice.

Pluto was dicovered not that long ago.

What we need are manned space missions to far away places. I would like to see NASA build a space station on one of the more stable moons of Saturn. A halfway point between the earth and edge of our solar system. Maybe they can move the International Space Station one planet over.

Wouldn't it be cool to have bubble cities on other planets.

And people would stop aging. For example, if a person wanted to go to alpa centuri (the next closest star), and we had shuttles that go the speed of light, time would stop for the person traveling at that speed. It would be possible for a person to take a 10 year trip at the speed of light, and for that person, when they come back it will seem like everything happened instantly, they would not have aged at all. Meanwhile, to everyone else, 10 years would have passed.

I love science fiction. It gives so many good ideas to real science.

theshark8777
07-30-2005, 08:08 AM
If we had shuttles the speed of light, then we could go back in time. That would be sweeeeeeeeeet.

theshark8777
07-30-2005, 08:10 AM
And people would stop aging. For example, if a person wanted to go to alpa centuri (the next closest star), and we had shuttles that go the speed of light, time would stop for the person traveling at that speed. It would be possible for a person to take a 10 year trip at the speed of light, and for that person, when they come back it will seem like everything happened instantly, they would not have aged at all. Meanwhile, to everyone else, 10 years would have passed.


Kinda sounds like the premise of the movie "Flight of the Navigator"

Also they have been debating on if pluto was a real "planet" or just some frozen rocks. I don't know where they landed on that.

Magnum
07-30-2005, 08:18 AM
If we had shuttles the speed of light, then we could go back in time. That would be sweeeeeeeeeet.

I don't know if it is theoretically possible to go backwards in time. Is it?

I know the faster some object goes, the slower time passes for that object relative to everything else.

An example would be the atomic clocks NASA owns. They are very precise, they can tell time better than any clocks, to .00001 of a second. Think of them as the worlds best stopwatches. What NASA did was they had two identical clocks. They put one on a space shuttle, and one was left on earth. When the shuttle returned, they compared the time on the two clocks. NASA discovered the clock on the shuttle shows less time passed than the one on earth.

theshark8777
07-30-2005, 08:22 AM
I don't know if it is theoretically possible to go backwards in time. Is it?



Well Einstein's theory of relativity didn't rule out time travel, so I'm not either. ;)

theshark8777
07-30-2005, 08:27 AM
Well Einstein's theory of relativity didn't rule out time travel, so I'm not either. ;)

I will add that I think he said you can only go one way, I'm thinking forward, but I'm not sure on that.

Magnum
07-30-2005, 08:40 AM
I will add that I think he said you can only go one way, I'm thinking forward, but I'm not sure on that.

That is what I thought too, that people can only go forward in time.

If you want to read something cool, pick up a book on superstring theory. Michio Kaku has a really good book called Hyperspace. He is a physicist from Princeton or Harvard, one of the better schools, and he thinks that there are more dimensions than just X, Y, Z, and time. He thinks that humans are limited in what they can percieve.

theshark8777
07-30-2005, 08:45 AM
Yes I think you are right about forward only, but don't ruin my fantasy of going backwards!!

Titania
07-30-2005, 12:38 PM
thats really cool.


anyone else remember hearing about "planet x" awhile back but they had never proved its existance?

Dutabi84
07-30-2005, 02:28 PM
The problem with ridiculous speeds are the ridiculous G-forces that are impossible for a human to sustain. Otherwise, space/time travel, and the possibilities of what can happen in a black hole are all really interesting ideas.

Fleet
07-30-2005, 05:04 PM
Pluto was dicovered not that long ago.

Wouldn't it be cool to have bubble cities on other planets.

Let's see... this is from memory. I know that Pluto was discovered in 1930.
I believe Uranus was first discovered in 1781 and Neptune in 1846.

Yes, it would be cool if "Mary Ann" and "Janet Wood" were sharing the same bubble with me. ;) :grineyes: