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What do you think happened?
I was thinking she was part of a kidnapping attempt, and the person (or people) involved decided to throw her from the car. But that doesn’t really hold much weight, considering how neatly her body was placed on the pavement --- you’re not gonna look like that after getting thrown from a car. Her body was obviously placed there by someone, but if you were a criminal would you take the chance of having possible observers spot you?
The whole thing doesn't make any sense.
Blackout 07-28-2005, 01:00 PM i dont know but i absolutely hate that bon jovi song
pjpiazza 07-28-2005, 01:01 PM I was hoping someone would start a thread after seeing the segment today. It was probably a tragic hit and run accident. The whole crime doesn't make sense. I tried looking for any recent information but couldn't find anything. You'd think by now someone would have come forward with new information.
i dont know but i absolutely hate that bon jovi song
Yeah, it was rather hard on the ears.... not like that matters to the case, though.
It was probably a tragic hit and run accident.
But the body was placed so neatly. I don’t think you’d look like that after getting hit by a car, thrown from a car, or accidentally falling from a car. It was eerie how she was facing down.
I agree with the mother --- Katherine was put on that street for her to find.... SICK! I think that the person (or people) involved in this knew the Korzilius family.
crystaldawn 07-28-2005, 01:11 PM I don't like the song either but can never seem to get it out of my head after I see that segment. :rolleyes:
OriginalNightstalker 07-28-2005, 01:30 PM I think it was a kidnapping attempt gone wrong involving someone who is familiar with or lives in the neighborhood, only because the way the body was neatly left on the street. If the kidnapper wasn't familiar with the area then I don't think they would've taken the time to neatly place the body without fear of being seen. I think the kidnapper wasn't worried about not blending in with the area. Also the neighborhood doesn't seem to be in a busy area and I would think that a unfamiliar person(s) in the area would be noticed. Finally crimes like this take some type of scoping the area out.
nohwheregirl 07-28-2005, 02:13 PM This case bothers me every time I see it (and not just because of the song). I just feel like someone in that neighborhood knows what happens, and it's just a matter of time before somebody talks or word gets around.
I think I've mentioned this before, but I used to live in the Austin area. While I didn't live near where the Korzillius family lived, I am a bit familiar with the area. Most of those homes in the hills west of Austin are part of relatively knew developments and only upper-middle class and affluent families can afford to live there. The housing tracts can be sort of isolated. So yes, anyone from outside the neighborhood would have stuck out like a sore thumb.
This is pure speculation, but I feel like perhaps an older child or teenager from the neighborhood could have done this. Perhaps they tried to kidnap or injure Katherine and panicked when they realized how badly she was hurt and left her out in the street so she would be found. Maybe the parents knew what happened and helped their child cover it up. I don't know, just brainstorming....
pjpiazza 07-28-2005, 02:59 PM But the body was placed so neatly. I don’t think you’d look like that after getting hit by a car, thrown from a car, or accidentally falling from a car. It was eerie how she was facing down.
I agree with the mother --- Katherine was put on that street for her to find.... SICK! I think that the person (or people) involved in this knew the Korzilius family.
She was hit then perpatrators panicked and fiddled with the body.
OriginalNightstalker 07-28-2005, 03:31 PM Other people who could fit in without raising suspicion, a deliveryman in the neighborhood who goes there often enough to be familiar with the layout and habits of the homeowners, plus they mentioned getting the mail was a routine that the girl did.
did they mention if the girl had injuries other than her head? If she was hit her body would have more damage impact other than the head.
AngelDoll 07-28-2005, 07:18 PM They did say she had bruises on her body
boco357 07-29-2005, 09:27 AM Maybe far fetched, but what about the possiblity of another child being there and having a dirt bike/moped. Dirt bike would make more sense in the wooded area. Katherine sees the boy there and he gives her a ride around the neighborhood. She falls of the bike near the spot where she is found and he lays here there gently to be found.
The Barbs 07-29-2005, 10:18 AM JMO,,,but I think that she was riding (holding) on the back of the truck her mother was driving and fell off, just an accident.
Arnold_OldSchool 07-29-2018, 02:31 AM So who let's a kindergartner walk home "a quarter mile" alone?
rusty spike 09-26-2019, 12:14 PM A lot of free range parents do allow their kids to wander around unsupervised. I also think that she fell off the back of a scooter or bicycle by an older kid in the neighborhood.
Jade_Curtiss 09-26-2019, 09:09 PM My theory: Some guys mowing lawns didn't secure the gate on their trailer. It hit the girl. The guys on the yard crew had questionable immigration status. They left her where they felt she would be found quickly.
Mike82 09-27-2019, 08:28 AM My theory: Some guys mowing lawns didn't secure the gate on their trailer. It hit the girl. The guys on the yard crew had questionable immigration status. They left her where they felt she would be found quickly.
As much as I think this is second to Amy Bradley as the most cut and dry case that should have never aired, that's actually an interesting theory. Just yesterday I narrowly missed being hit by a piece of wood that broke off a poorly secured load. I still think she just fell off the bumper but if I had to pick a second scenario it would be this.
Jade_Curtiss 09-27-2019, 08:49 AM We had a similar incident here (another part of Texas) about 10 years ago. Construction crew had something fall off their trailer, hit someone (an adult), and drove off in a panic. The guy didn't die, but suffered some bad injuries. Since the neighborhood in UM segment looked fully built out, I go with yard crew. And, I almost got hit with a yard crew trailer gate they hadn't closed myself.
mikewho 10-24-2019, 03:44 PM As much as I think this is second to Amy Bradley as the most cut and dry case that should have never aired, that's actually an interesting theory. Just yesterday I narrowly missed being hit by a piece of wood that broke off a poorly secured load. I still think she just fell off the bumper but if I had to pick a second scenario it would be this.
Do you think Amy fell overboard or was taken by the someone on the ship?
As for Katherine, some forecast the mom knows more about what happened. I'm kind of leaning towards Katherine falling off the back of the vehicle but they say it would be too hot so I'm mixed on it
Mike82 10-25-2019, 08:27 AM Do you think Amy fell overboard or was taken by the someone on the ship?
I have almost no doubt that she fell overboard from being highly intoxicated. Whether she was doing something stupid, leaned over from being sick or the ship hit a wave at the worst possible time I don't know but there is zero convincing evidence she was alive when that ship docked. I genuinely feel bad for the family and how they clung to hope.
As for Katherine, some forecast the mom knows more about what happened. I'm kind of leaning towards Katherine falling off the back of the vehicle but they say it would be too hot so I'm mixed on it
I find it puzzling how many seem to take her mother at her word that she looked like she was 'laid' there. I doubt if my child was lying unconscious on the ground I would notice that and I am a trained and experienced first responder! Not to mention there is no one to corroborate this and eyewitnesses in general are notoriously unreliable.
It seems pretty bloody obvious that she stood or sat on the bumper and since it was so hot and/or she had a cast didn't use her arm to hold on. As soon as that first turn was made, she fell. People keep mentioning the extreme heat which as I have already mentioned is exactly the point as she fell almost instantly! The yard crew theory is interesting but it doesn't really stand up because it would leave a significant identifiable mark and none was found.
Killarney Rose 10-25-2019, 09:12 AM I have almost no doubt that she fell overboard from being highly intoxicated. Whether she was doing something stupid, leaned over from being sick or the ship hit a wave at the worst possible time I don't know but there is zero convincing evidence she was alive when that ship docked. I genuinely feel bad for the family and how they clung to hope.
I find it puzzling how many seem to take her mother at her word that she looked like she was 'laid' there. I doubt if my child was lying unconscious on the ground I would notice that and I am a trained and experienced first responder! Not to mention there is no one to corroborate this and eyewitnesses in general are notoriously unreliable.
It seems pretty bloody obvious that she stood or sat on the bumper and since it was so hot and/or she had a cast didn't use her arm to hold on. As soon as that first turn was made, she fell. People keep mentioning the extreme heat which as I have already mentioned is exactly the point as she fell almost instantly! The yard crew theory is interesting but it doesn't really stand up because it would leave a significant identifiable mark and none was found.
ITA on both cases.
jOHnNyD 11-10-2019, 11:23 PM The private investigator is a hired gun by the family. You almost get a sense that this segment was pursued by the family as a crisis management tool to rehab their image. It was pointed out in a prior thread that it’s not a given that the car’s exterior was hot simply because it was a hot day. Once a car is on the road the air will cool it off the exterior pretty quick. I think it was also suggested in the segment that she could not have held on to the latch because it would have opened the trunk door. Again, that’s not a given. With kids in the car the mother may very well have locked the doors while they are inside.
There is no evidence in the segment that plausibly points to foul play by an unknown perpetrator. I think this was an accident of Katherine’s doing, and it’s very tragic. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the family does believe the accident theory but tried to employ a crisis management PR strategy through UM to rehab their image.
TheCars1986 11-11-2019, 09:14 AM You almost get a sense that this segment was pursued by the family as a crisis management tool to rehab their image.
Bingo. The random appearance of Jon Bon Jovi also further proves this point.
LooksLikeCRicci 11-16-2019, 04:42 PM Bingo. The random appearance of Jon Bon Jovi also further proves this point.
Don’t go trash talking my Jon Bon Jovi...
...and I’ve said it before. Until I became a parent myself, I never knew the odd things kids would do. I posted about it before, but my own then-6 year old did something very similar to what Katherine may have done and it was a very surreal for me.
It was absolutely an accident and Mom is in denial.
rusty spike 11-16-2019, 05:24 PM I paid closer attention and the medical examiner/coroner stated that her injuries were mostly likely the result of a fall from a moving vehicle. The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that the mom was at fault.
Maybe Mom had a practice of driving slowly through her neighborhood with her kids sitting near the edge with the doors dangling. Perhaps it was a game and her kids would shrill as mom would go fast around the curves and bumps. Trust me, some parents do risky things with their kids to "be the cool parent".
I think this whole story was concocted to absolve the mom of any wrong-doing; a way to clear her conscience of acting reckless.
freakbook 11-16-2019, 06:38 PM I paid closer attention and the medical examiner/coroner stated that her injuries were mostly likely the result of a fall from a moving vehicle. The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that the mom was at fault.
Maybe Mom had a practice of driving slowly through her neighborhood with her kids sitting near the edge with the doors dangling. Perhaps it was a game and her kids would shrill as mom would go fast around the curves and bumps. Trust me, some parents do risky things with their kids to "be the cool parent".
I think this whole story was concocted to absolve the mom of any wrong-doing; a way to clear her conscience of acting reckless.
I agree with you absolutely 110%. I also think that the children were joyriding with the mother and Katherine fell out.
The one thing that really stuck out to me in her story was the fact that she went directly to her neighbor's house to see if Katherine was there instead of checking in the mailbox area in which she was apparently last walking in. I find that oddly suspicious. If I was a parent the first thing I would do would be to check the last place outside I seen my child at, considering the fact that she could've been hit by a vehicle.
Also why would her brother be crying because she wasn't home yet? He was probably crying because he saw his sister roll out of the vehicle
LooksLikeCRicci 11-16-2019, 07:22 PM I’m not saying it’s not a possibility, but why would they choose to have the show profiled on UM then? If it’s a cover-up as alleged, I feel like the family would not want to draw any more attention to the incident....
jOHnNyD 11-16-2019, 07:40 PM The mother also went to a neighbor looking for Katherine. It’s hard to believe this would be what she chose to do right away in her attempt to cover up anything, or be in any mental condition to do that. She also told the police she sent her son out to look for Katherine. If she actually did this, it’s also quite stunning she would then send her traumatized son out to run to random houses after he just witnessed his sister fly out of his mother’s car.
Todd Mueller 11-16-2019, 07:41 PM I’m not saying it’s not a possibility, but why would they choose to have the show profiled on UM then? If it’s a cover-up as alleged, I feel like the family would not want to draw any more attention to the incident....
I totally agree. I think this was just an accident and the mom really had a hard time accepting that. If this was really a cover-up, why draw all this attention to yourself? I think she felt guilty over what happened and/or was looking for sympathy.
Everything points that way from the location on the body to the type of injuries (per the ME). These ideas of "the body was posed" and "the door handle was too hot" are just red herrings that have no basis in fact. They never proved she couldn't hang on to the vehicle -- they just assumed that.
It always bothered me that her brother started crying when she wasn't at the neighbors. That is odd since she wasn't missing very long. But maybe that is because he had an idea of what happened and being a kid couldn't bring himself to tell the mom.
The mom is obviously distraught, but she seems to be grasping at wild theories when the most logical conclusion is sitting right there.
freakbook 11-17-2019, 09:20 AM I’m not saying it’s not a possibility, but why would they choose to have the show profiled on UM then? If it’s a cover-up as alleged, I feel like the family would not want to draw any more attention to the incident....
I think this was just an accident and the mom really had a hard time accepting that. If this was really a cover-up, why draw all this attention to yourself? I think she felt guilty over what happened and/or was looking for sympathy.
Good points. I asked myself the same question, but if there was any suspicion/blame on her or her story then going on UM and drumming up the kidnapping theory coupled with her own P.I. and that Bon Jovi song then suspicion/blame would be deflected from her and she would receive sympathy instead.
Let's face it the UM broadcast wasn't to find Katherine's killer, it was to absolve Nancy of any suspicion or wrongdoing hence the P.I., Bon Jovi, etc. Saying someone "laid her body out to be found", her running to the neighbors first, and not noticing she was gone for almost an hour are all highly suspicious to me.
The mother also went to a neighbor looking for Katherine. It’s hard to believe this would be what she chose to do right away in her attempt to cover up anything, or be in any mental condition to do that.
Actually if you were trying to cover something up and trying to look innocent this is exactly what you would do. This is what I call "creating a witness". If the police does question the neighbors then they can for sure say that Nancy did knock on their door looking for Katherine. Like I said previously, if your child was gone for an hour and was last seen outside why panic and run to the neighbors instead of to the mailbox area? From Nancy's own mouth it was super hot that day so wouldn't heatstroke or her getting hit by a car would be two possibilities?
freakbook 11-17-2019, 09:34 AM I’m not saying it’s not a possibility, but why would they choose to have the show profiled on UM then? If it’s a cover-up as alleged, I feel like the family would not want to draw any more attention to the incident....
I think this was just an accident and the mom really had a hard time accepting that. If this was really a cover-up, why draw all this attention to yourself? I think she felt guilty over what happened and/or was looking for sympathy.
Good points. I asked myself the same question, but if there was any suspicion/blame on her or her story then going on UM and drumming up the kidnapping theory coupled with her own P.I. and that Bon Jovi song then suspicion/blame would be deflected from her and she would receive sympathy instead.
Let's face it the UM broadcast wasn't to find Katherine's killer, it was to absolve Nancy of any suspicion or wrongdoing hence the P.I., Bon Jovi, etc. Saying someone "laid her body out to be found", her running to the neighbors first, and not noticing she was gone for almost an hour are all highly suspicious to me.
The mother also went to a neighbor looking for Katherine. It’s hard to believe this would be what she chose to do right away in her attempt to cover up anything, or be in any mental condition to do that.
Actually if you were trying to cover something up and trying to look innocent this is exactly what you would do. This is what I call "creating a witness". If the police does question the neighbors then they can for sure say that Nancy did knock on her door looking for Katherine. Like I said previously, if your child was gone for an hour and was last seen outside why panic and run to the neighbors instead of to the mailbox area?
She also told the police she sent her son out to look for Katherine. If she actually did this, it’s also quite stunning she would then send her traumatized son out to run to random houses after he just witnessed his sister fly out of his mother’s car.
That could be a lie.
freakbook 11-17-2019, 09:44 AM I paid closer attention and the medical examiner/coroner stated that her injuries were mostly likely the result of a fall from a moving vehicle. The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that the mom was at fault.
Maybe Mom had a practice of driving slowly through her neighborhood with her kids sitting near the edge with the doors dangling. Perhaps it was a game and her kids would shrill as mom would go fast around the curves and bumps. Trust me, some parents do risky things with their kids to "be the cool parent".
I think this whole story was concocted to absolve the mom of any wrong-doing; a way to clear her conscience of acting reckless.
To prove more of what you were saying I added the map layout from UM of their neighborhood. If you look at the map they took the longest way around the neighborhood to get home from the mailboxes instead of the shorter way. Why? The only reason I would think she would take the long way would be joyriding with the kids.
Like you said, they were probably sitting with the doors dangling as mom gave them a "ride" around the neighborhood and Katherine slipped out.
jOHnNyD 11-17-2019, 10:00 AM For sure she could be lying. Though I think it’s harder to bring in a small child into a conspiracy than one might think. The kid may not be interviewed by the police, but then again why not? They have trained officers who would at least take a crack at questioning the kid. He might very well have said he saw Katherine fall in a moment of honesty. That fact alone would have thrown this case in a whole new direction and exposed the mother’s lie. Also who’s to say he wouldn’t say what really happened to someone at some point later, i.e. a teacher, a friend, doctor, etc, maybe days later or even years later. There are other cases where people tried to cover up theirs culpability before the police arrived, but the small inconsistencies eventually unraveled the coverup. Most people aren’t criminal masterminds.
freakbook 11-17-2019, 10:05 AM For sure she could be lying. Though I think it’s harder to bring in a small child into a conspiracy than one might think. The kid may not be interviewed by the police, but then again why not? They have trained officers who would at least take a crack at questioning the kid. He might very well have said he saw Katherine fall in a moment of honesty. That fact alone would have thrown this case in a whole new direction and exposed the mother’s lie. Also who’s to say he wouldn’t say something good to someone at some point later, i.e. a teacher, a friend, doctor, etc. There are other cases where people tried to cover up theirs culpability before the police arrived, but the small inconsistencies eventually unraveled the coverup. Most people aren’t criminal masterminds.
I get your point, but she could've easily coached Chris on what to say, or she could've even told investigators that he's too shaken up to answer questions. I agree that it's hard to coach a child on a case like this because they could have an easy slip of the tongue, but if you're trying to be seen as innocent or cover something up then I'd suspect that she'd do whatever she could to have Chris keep his lips sealed/away from questioning.
Nancy and her husband had long money, I'm sure if they wanted Chris to keep quiet then they could've done so easily. The same way she hired a P.I. to absolve her of any wrongdoing.
Todd Mueller 11-17-2019, 11:30 AM To prove more of what you were saying I added the map layout from UM of their neighborhood. If you look at the map they took the longest way around the neighborhood to get home from the mailboxes instead of the shorter way. Why? The only reason I would think she would take the long way would be joyriding with the kids.
I can't remember if they explained this on the UM show or not, but the reason she went the long way is because the mailboxes were past the first turnoff for their street. She drove past it to get to them and rather then backup or turn around, it was easier to go forward, turn right, and then follow the street to their house even though it was a little longer.
The more I thought about this the more it made zero sense for KK to be on that part of the street unless she was riding on the vehicle. The investigators kept saying the car was too hot and her hand was injured so she couldn't hold on, but that is 100% speculation. They have no idea how hot the car really was and never underestimate a determined child.
freakbook 11-17-2019, 11:42 AM I can't remember if they explained this on the UM show or not, but the reason she went the long way is because the mailboxes were past the first turnoff for their street. She drove past it to get to them and rather then backup or turn around, it was easier to go forward, turn right, and then follow the street to their house even though it was a little longer.
The more I thought about this the more it made zero sense for KK to be on that part of the street unless she was riding on the vehicle. The investigators kept saying the car was too hot and her hand was injured so she couldn't hold on, but that is 100% speculation. They have no idea how hot the car really was and never underestimate a determined child.
Thanks for the clarification of the mailbox. I still think she was letting the kids joyride which is why I think Katherine was found where she was at.
There's only two explanations for her being found on that part of the street; she was either skitching on the back of the truck or she fell out of the vehicle. Either way the mother is suspicious and is hiding something.
unsolved88 11-17-2019, 09:13 PM This always seemed like an accident to me, although I go back and forth on whether or not the family covered anything up. I’ve always believed that the show may not have even considered doing a segment on Katherine’s death had there not been the connection to Bon Jovi.
Remember, this case aired in the second-to-last season of the show’s initial run. By this time, the show was losing steam and featured many segments involving celebrities (the death of Bobby Fuller, Elvis’ twin, etc.) and/or trying to cash in on the latest TV or movie hit (Men in Black, Amazon women featuring clips of Xena: Warrior Princess) in an obvious attempt to recapture viewer interest.
mikewho 11-26-2019, 12:13 PM I have almost no doubt that she fell overboard from being highly intoxicated. Whether she was doing something stupid, leaned over from being sick or the ship hit a wave at the worst possible time I don't know but there is zero convincing evidence she was alive when that ship docked. I genuinely feel bad for the family and how they clung to hope.
I find it puzzling how many seem to take her mother at her word that she looked like she was 'laid' there. I doubt if my child was lying unconscious on the ground I would notice that and I am a trained and experienced first responder! Not to mention there is no one to corroborate this and eyewitnesses in general are notoriously unreliable.
It seems pretty bloody obvious that she stood or sat on the bumper and since it was so hot and/or she had a cast didn't use her arm to hold on. As soon as that first turn was made, she fell. People keep mentioning the extreme heat which as I have already mentioned is exactly the point as she fell almost instantly! The yard crew theory is interesting but it doesn't really stand up because it would leave a significant identifiable mark and none was found.
Watched the Katherine episode again last night, and it seems to me now that the mom probably did it (by accident) and then after that they tried to take the spotlight away from the mom. The more I watch it the more it seems clear the mom knew what happened but didnt want to get blamed for it. I think Katherine held on the back and eventually fell off. Seems like that's what the evidence really points to
Todd Mueller 11-26-2019, 12:41 PM Watched the Katherine episode again last night, and it seems to me now that the mom probably did it (by accident) and then after that they tried to take the spotlight away from the mom. The more I watch it the more it seems clear the mom knew what happened but didnt want to get blamed for it. I think Katherine held on the back and eventually fell off. Seems like that's what the evidence really points to
It's funny looking at back at it now. Her mom completely discounted the possibility she was riding on the car (even though the evidence all fits that) and she can't eliminate that possibility, yet she is willing to keep pushing the theory that somebody abducted her daughter, murdered her daughter, and then moved her to a place on the road that made no sense, all in a very short period of time. I can't believe I didn't see this for what it is sooner.
I don't think her mom knew for sure at the time, but I think she is in denial now. I would be willing to bet that in part led to her parents' divorce.
jOHnNyD 11-27-2019, 04:37 PM Curious as to why the parents are interviewed separately. It could be purely due to the logistics of interviewing the father because of his travel schedule, but his demeanor might reveal more. The mother sounds desperate to convince the audience (and even herself it seems at some points) that this could not be her doing. Contrast that with the father who doesn’t sound skeptical at all when he discusses the police’s theory. Wonder if they were estranged at this point.
Todd Mueller 11-28-2019, 11:50 AM Contrast that with the father who doesn’t sound skeptical at all when he discusses the police’s theory. Wonder if they were estranged at this point.
I have to wonder if the mom couldn't accept what was staring at her in the face (that her daughter fell off) and she was having trouble dealing with that, so the husband pushed to get the story aired and asked Jon Bon Jovi for help. Maybe it was in attempt to give his wife peace and/or save their marriage. And maybe it was already too late.
The fact that JBJ was interviewed makes me think the husband was there to in order to set it up. That was probably most likely in New York or maybe LA. If most of the filming was done in Texas, I doubt JBJ was there. I'm sure KK's dad would want to be there to help run through things with JBJ.
Bon Jovi made the song (which was just a filler song on an album) to help the dad who they were close to. I'm sure KK's dad was torn up by this, but as you said jOHnNyD, it almost seemed by the time UM was filmed her dad seemed to be more skeptical. Maybe after his grief wore off he was able to see what most likely happened, where her mom just couldn't ever get over that.
I'm sure her dad traveling for work a lot wasn't easy on the marriage to begin with, but KK dying was probably also the slow death of their marriage. I hope the mom was able to get help and/or find peace from this. There really isn't much on her now but it appears she still lived in Texas, at least for a long time. I think this was mentioned before, but KK's dad got remarried and there are pictures of him and his new wife online. They both look pretty happy together.
Hockeygirl 04-11-2020, 08:40 PM Just thought out that her brother Christopher was killed during his morning commute. My heart breaks for his family. :( Thoughts go out to his loved one.
https://www.dignitymemorial.com/en-ca/obituaries/austin-tx/christopher-korzilius-9090538
1990 UM fan 04-11-2020, 11:37 PM I was about to mention that Katherine's parents divorced sometime after her death. Nancy still lives in the Elder Circle edition of Austin, TX that they had lived in back in the 1990s. Paul and his second wife live in Vancouver, British Columbia.
mwcarolina 05-24-2020, 06:06 PM I always felt that this was an attempted abduction and she got away and jumped from the car. And the guy who tried to abduct her then set up her body and bailed. I get the theory about her getting on her moms car, but i feel if she did that, we’d know it by now
I don’t think there’s any way they questioned Christopher (RIP). I just don’t think that happens in situations like this. If he had seen a suspect or something like that, they might talk to him to get a description. Plus the mother was with him the whole time. They’d only question him if they were suspicious that the mother intentionally hurt Katherine, which I don’t think was one of the possibilities, and they wanted to build a case against her, which they had no intention of ever doing.
Even if the mother didn’t want to admit she was responsible for the whole thing, which could be the case, it was in all likelihood an accident. Even If they knew she was lying about an accident, they’d still likely never try to arrest her for it.
mwcarolina 05-24-2020, 09:18 PM The reason I don’t think this was an accident is the police never seemed to think this was an accident though it’s possible that her mom didn’t know, i still feel she jumped from an abducter’s car
jjseven11 07-07-2020, 11:34 PM Forgive me for being late to the party. This segment has stuck with me since I first saw it. My personal opinion is that she, unfortunately, fell off the back of the car. When I was about the same age as her I would do the same thing when my family would go camping and we made it to the campground. I'd get on the bumper and hold on tight. Sometimes I'd make it to the campsite, sometimes I'd have to jump off and a few times I actually did fall off. The speed limit there was 5 mph though, I feel like their car was probably going much faster, it definitely was in the recreation. Here are my thoughts.
1. There was no where she could hold on to the vehicle. Children have tiny hands, anything with a lip is a potential handhold, the space between the doors, the lip of the window, the giant hinge that the PI almost grabbed while demonstrating that there was no where to grab.
1.a. I feel these go hand in hand really. The PI and mom both said she would've been seen in the rear view mirror. Sure, that is possible, if she looked in the rear view. Most people don't though, especially on such a short drive. Also, that was a big vehicle, like a suburban I think. They have massive blind spots, plus the back doors are huge, there's like two and a half feet between the bumper and window, if she was crouching even a little she probably would've gone unnoticed.
2. The heat, it was too hot to handle... Well the vehicle had been driven for awhile, the moving air would cool it off. But, maybe it was still kind of hot, maybe that's why she lost her grip and fell off.
3. She looked like she was laid out there to be found. Her mom found her lying in the road, and that must've been one of the worst moments of being a mom, it would be kind of weird if she took the time to study every little detail of her, her clothes and her hair while at the same time scooping her up to take her to the emergency room. I feel like that was selective memory.
4. K9 units picked up her scent. Yep, that'll happen in an area where she had walked before and probably played a few times as well.
What I belive happened is she walked home, she may have even asked to hitch a ride on the back and was told no. Kids being kids, she got on the bumper and held on as long as she could. Maybe the car was hot on her hands, maybe her thumb in the splint made getting a good grip tough, maybe it was too fast or turned too hard, or a combination of everything added up, but she couldn't hold on and fell off where they ended up finding her. I can understand why her mom is looking for a different answer though. It must be a terrible feeling believing that just a little more awareness and you could've prevented your daughter's death. It really is a horrible story and my heart does go out to her family, but I do feel like it was just a very bad accident. Out living 2 children makes it even more heartbreaking.
The abduction theory leaves only a 15 minute window from pulling up to the mailboxes and finding her there. That's a short window for someone to randomly drive by on an out of the way cul de sac, abduct her, have her jump out of the car, he then gets out to make sure her hair and shoes are straight and sets her up to be found then skiddaddles. All the while the mom still drives home and drives around then neighborhood and doesn't see anyone else, which would make the window much, much smaller.
Ron Jon Jovi was just a big name drop for the audience.
PsychedelicShrugs 07-10-2020, 10:21 PM I think she probably fell off the back of the vehicle, without mom knowing she was there, and the brother perhaps saw or heard her fall, told mom, she dismissed him and assured him Katherine was just walking home. They arrive home and when Katherine doesn’t show up, the brother gets worried because he knows what he saw. Mom reassured him that she must have stopped at the neighbours, and when they eventually go to the neighbours, he is crying because he has legitimate reason to be panicked. Mom sets out to find her and there’s Katherine, exactly where her son said she had fallen. And then panic and cover up ensue.
mikewho 07-23-2020, 09:20 PM My theory has changed a few times over the years. I think now I feel like she held on to her moms vehicle and ended up falling off. Her mom may have given her permission or maybe she didn’t realize it until it was too late. On the segment it seemed like they really tried to either defend the mom or to take away the blame. I now kind of feel like it was an accident with the moms vehicle but who knows.
pardilia 07-26-2020, 02:11 PM My theory has changed a few times over the years. I think now I feel like she held on to her moms vehicle and ended up falling off. Her mom may have given her permission or maybe she didn’t realize it until it was too late. On the segment it seemed like they really tried to either defend the mom or to take away the blame. I now kind of feel like it was an accident with the moms vehicle but who knows.
With all the time that has passed, more information has leaked out via gossip, etc.
Word is that she definitely held onto the car and it was a (stupid) game Mom would do with the kids on occasion. Everyone knew it wasn't an attempted kidnapping, etc. but didn't want the Mom arrested/charged. The event led to their divorce and supposedly the father was fine letting the mom keep the house as he couldn't go through the neighborhood without thinking of his daughter.
Father didn't know the truth of events - and that it was something that she had done with the kids before - until sometime after the UM episode. Neighbors told him they'd seen the kids riding on the car, etc.
Same gossipy story was posted in comments on various articles/postings about the son's recent death, too. :(
This is one of the instances where I think "gossip" isn't exactly gossip and likely has the story correct.
This is one where I'd also be REALLY curious to know what Cosgrove/Mueller think of it - especially since they got Bon Jovi on their show out of airing the segment.
FanfromES 03-18-2021, 05:40 PM Hi there, i recently watched this segment, and i was surprised by the mother's behaviour during the interview, when mothers of victims are interviewed in UM, they look sad, distressed and almost weeping. In this case the mother seemed almost analytical of the whole situation, very cold.
THis made me think she had something to do with it, i dont think she killed her daughter, but maybe did something irresponsible that lead to KK demise.
Maybe she pushed KK off the car for some reason, and KK died accidentally.
Ijustwantchocolate 03-23-2021, 02:45 PM With all the time that has passed, more information has leaked out via gossip, etc.
Word is that she definitely held onto the car and it was a (stupid) game Mom would do with the kids on occasion. Everyone knew it wasn't an attempted kidnapping, etc. but didn't want the Mom arrested/charged. The event led to their divorce and supposedly the father was fine letting the mom keep the house as he couldn't go through the neighborhood without thinking of his daughter.
Father didn't know the truth of events - and that it was something that she had done with the kids before - until sometime after the UM episode. Neighbors told him they'd seen the kids riding on the car, etc.
Same gossipy story was posted in comments on various articles/postings about the son's recent death, too. :(
This is one of the instances where I think "gossip" isn't exactly gossip and likely has the story correct.
This is one where I'd also be REALLY curious to know what Cosgrove/Mueller think of it - especially since they got Bon Jovi on their show out of airing the segment.
I belonged to an UM FB page and someone came in with this same story and it made a lot of sense. That is was a terrible accident gone wrong and no one wanted the mom charged so some stuff was hushed up. I believe the son was in the service and he passed away as well. Poor family! Dad now lives in Canada, I believe.
I never thought the mom killed her - falling off a car does not guarantee death. It is probable, but not guaranteed.
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