Yay or nay?

No

I figure, if I can die for my country, I can drink for it too.

I say no. When I'm older I'm going to crusade for a new prohibition.

that phrase is overused and a cheap card to pull IMO. Unless you're fighting in a war I don't understand the need to use it. If you want to drink the only people stopping you are your parents probably if you're smart about it. anyways, no.

if 18 year olds can smoke, why not drink? At least alcohol doesn't smell like dog ****

In my opinion, people my age are irresponsible enough as it is. We don't need to be drinking. So, no. Keep at 21.

No, keep it at 21.

They do it anyway.

that phrase is overused and a cheap card to pull IMO. Unless you're fighting in a war I don't understand the need to use it.
I agree. These days, fighting in a war is completely voluntary.

I think it should be lowered because teenagers will be less likely to drink stupidly. Some people (stupidly) drink because they get a high off of doing something illegal.... if it's not illegal, they probably wouldn't do it as much. We always want what we can't have.

then more 15 year olds will start drinking because suddenly all of the seniors in high school can drink legally and they want to be cool.

I agree. These days, fighting in a war is completely voluntary.

For now. ;)


In any case, the issue is "If your old enough to be drafted". I am. But I'm not old enough to drink. Many people don't see the reason for that.

if 18 year olds can smoke, why not drink? At least alcohol doesn't smell like dog ****
Have you ever smelt a drunk person? puke:

then more 15 year olds will start drinking because suddenly all of the seniors in high school can drink legally and they want to be cool.

At my school most kids were drinking by 15 anyways.

This won't be popular, but I think alcohol should be banned all together like it was in the early 1900's. I have a long history of alcoholism in my family, and haven't seen one good thing out of alcohol drinking. Iv'e seen someone go through withdrawels, and think leprechauns were coming out of his throat. Iv'e seen someone close to me who had just recently had hip surgery fall after drinking too much, almost shattering his new hip, but Iv'e never seen anything good. I say BAN IT ALL!! All it does is cause trouble and heartache.

We used to have the drinking age at 18, there was a lot of kids getting behind the wheel driving drunk,getting into recks, Don't get me wrong people who are older drink ,kill,getting to recks when there under the influence. Yes it was fun for awhile drinking, but the fun stops if you get a DWI or worst kill someone when driving down the road. I'v known young people who drove drunk they think they can handle it,but they can't and wind up doing 25 to life just because they did not get any body else to drive.or they did not have a drink. I say "no".

Have you ever smelt a drunk person? puke:

At least drinking makes sense. People smoke cigarettes for what? To smell bad?

You can drink for any amount of reasons.


Anyways, I don't want anyone to get the impression of me that I'm this big drinker. I've only drinken about 5 or 6 times, most of which were at big family gatherings. But I still believe people drink more responsibly when they're doing it legally.

This won't be popular, but I think alcohol should be banned all together like it was in the early 1900's. I have a long history of alcoholism in my family, and haven't seen one good thing out of alcohol drinking. Iv'e seen someone go through withdrawels, and think leprechauns were coming out of his throat. Iv'e seen someone close to me who had just recently had hip surgery fall after drinking too much, almost shattering his new hip, but Iv'e never seen anything good. I say BAN IT ALL!! All it does is cause trouble and heartache.

It wouldn't be popular. I don't think something like that is likely to pass again. And if it does, people would be violating it again, even law enforcement would violate, because no matter where you go in life, or who you meet, you'll find someone who drinks. Not alcoholic, per se, but just drinks occasionally. It's a release for many people. And as soon as it's forbidden, it'll become all the more appealing.

At least drinking makes sense. People smoke cigarettes for what? To smell bad?

You can drink for any amount of reasons.


Anyways, I don't want anyone to get the impression of me that I'm this big drinker. I've only drinken about 5 or 6 times, most of which were at big family gatherings. But I still believe people drink more responsibly when they're doing it legally.
Drinking doesnt really make sense. To have a little wine or beer or whatever when your 21 or older is ok, but getting drunk and becoming an alchohalic is just as bad if not worse than smoking. What's the point? Getting drunk, acting like an idiot and possibly killing someone or yourself in a car accident? If they lower the drinking age to 18, I bet you that 95% of the 18-20 year olds that drink will drink irresponsibly and get drunk.

I actually used to like the smell of cigarette smoke. Now I can't stand it. I don't know why...

As for alcohol, I'll never touch the stuff. Although there have been people who have threatened to spike my drinks. :eek: I try to keep a careful eye on them now.

It wouldn't be popular. I don't think something like that is likely to pass again. And if it does, people would be violating it again, even law enforcement would violate, because no matter where you go in life, or who you meet, you'll find someone who drinks. Not alcoholic, per se, but just drinks occasionally. It's a release for many people. And as soon as it's forbidden, it'll become all the more appealing.

Sadly, I agree with you about something like that probably never being passed, but one can hope.

Drinking doesnt really make sense. To have a little wine or beer or whatever when your 21 is ok, but getting drunk and becoming an alchohalic is just as bad if not worse than smoking. What's the point? Getting drunk, acting like an idiot and possibly killing someone or yourself in a car accident? If they lower the drinking age to 18, I bet you that 95% of the 18-20 year olds that drink will drink irresponsibly and get drunk.

If 95% of the people in this world drank irresponsibly.... we'd be done for.

You can drink a LOT and not be an alcoholic. You can drink every day of your life and not be an alcoholic. And even if you are an alcoholic, I never said it was an better or worse than being a smoker. But becoming a smoker is a decision. 9 out 10 people that drink aren't alcoholics, they drink responsibly.
However, every single person that smokes is a smoker.

If 95% of the people in this world drank irresponsibly.... we'd be done for.

You can drink a LOT and not be an alcoholic. You can drink every day of your life and not be an alcoholic. And even if you are an alcoholic, I never said it was an better or worse than being a smoker. But becoming a smoker is a decision. 9 out 10 people that drink aren't alcoholics, they drink responsibly.
However, every single person that smokes is a smoker.
I didnt say 95% of everyone in the world, I said 95% of the 18-20 year olds who arent allowed to drink now, but if they lowererd the age limit, would be.

Sadly, I agree with you about something like that probably never being passed, but one can hope.Prohibition didn't work. It just created a black market for alcohol where bootleg stills were created and crime lords like Al Capone ran rampant. It lasted about a decade when the government saw that it was solving nothing.

Because alcoholism exists does not mean that alcohol should be banned. Because promiscuity and adultery exist doesn't mean that sex should be banned. Some people can handle alcohol while others cannot.

I still believe people drink more responsibly when they're doing it legally.

No, they don't. Trust me on this.

;)

then more 15 year olds will start drinking because suddenly all of the seniors in high school can drink legally and they want to be cool.
They do that anyway. Hell...I knew 8th graders who got drunk every weekend. I grew up in a ****ty little town where there was seriously nothing to do up there. It was a mini-Los Angeles town, only without hangouts for the kids.

They do that anyway. Hell...I knew 8th graders who got drunk every weekend. I grew up in a ****ty little town where there was seriously nothing to do up there. It was a mini-Los Angeles town, only without hangouts for the kids.
obviously the drinking age should just be lowered to 15 then, since after all the reason why it should be lowered to 18 is because, "they do it anyway"

Have you ever smelt a drunk person? puke:
do you mean after they've thrown up, peed themself and passed out on the front lawn?

It needs to stay at 21. :)

obviously the drinking age should just be lowered to 15 then, since after all the reason why it should be lowered to 18 is because, "they do it anyway"
No, I don't want it lowered. I'm just saying that no matter what the legal drinking age is, young people are always going to get around it. We can try our damnedest to reduce the numbers, but we will never be able to eliminate underage drinking completely.

I don't care either way. I'm never going to drink, it's stupid.

hah I think we all know my opinion on this matter...hah kidding but seriously, when you compare it to european countries, canada, why not?

No, they don't. Trust me on this.

;)
True. 18-year-olds are not known for having an excess of wisdom!

Lower it. At 18 you're supposed to be an adult. Either you are or you aren't.

Sure bring it down to 15 , and give the 12 year olds machine guns.....oh, im being sarcastic here :p

At least drinking makes sense. People smoke cigarettes for what? To smell bad?

You can drink for any amount of reasons.

Drinking makes just as much sense as smoking does. Alcohol is a horrible thing. It can completely take over someone's life and ruin them.

Also I have known people to have died from Liver problems,Kidney, from drinking to much alcoha posin, Some people can drink social,but I can't I just have to have the last beer,being Clean and sober is the most important thing right now,when I stoped drinking I lookedbetter,feel better, there 's just no any words that I can describe. From not drinking anymore.But, who wants to throw up all the time in the morning after drinking,or you don't remember what you did last night,or who the hell is this person sleeping next to me,or even worst yet,waking up and seeing bars for your bedroom walls.

Lower it. At 18 you're supposed to be an adult. Either you are or you aren't.

18 is an adult by people's standards, but mentally and emotionally, I believe most 18 year olds are far from being adults.

18 is an adult by people's standards, but mentally and emotionally, I believe most 18 year olds are far from being adults.
I know a lot of 30 something people that are the same way. I'm not for drinking. I barely drink myself but if 18 year olds can join the military, get married , and do all the other things that adults can do I don't have a problem with it.

I say keep it at 21.

Drinking makes just as much sense as smoking does. Alcohol is a horrible thing. It can completely take over someone's life and ruin them.

As can sex, or food, or gambling. People can drink responsibly and live completely normal lives. There is no helf defects that come from having an occassional beer or two. However, every single cigarette smoked effects your health.

I know a lot of 30 something people that are the same way. I'm not for drinking. I barely drink myself but if 18 year olds can join the military, get married , and do all the other things that adults can do I don't have a problem with it.

Yep, exactly. If we're legally considered adults at 18, drinking should be allowed when we're adults.

I'm anti-alcohol, but IMO, I think the drinking age should be lowered to 18 since there are a lot of underage drinkers anyway. There are underage smokers too, but I know more underage drinkers than smokers. Lower the drinking age, extend the age to buy tobacco legally to 21.

Drinking doesnt really make sense. To have a little wine or beer or whatever when your 21 or older is ok, but getting drunk and becoming an alchohalic is just as bad if not worse than smoking. What's the point? Getting drunk, acting like an idiot and possibly killing someone or yourself in a car accident? If they lower the drinking age to 18, I bet you that 95% of the 18-20 year olds that drink will drink irresponsibly and get drunk.
Couldn't of said it better myself. I completely agree.

It amazes me how the law is never laid down on underage drinkers. :eek:

I think it should stay at 21 and as for the "if I'm old enough to fight in a war I can drink" well, yea, must of the people are doing that voluntarily and in the case that the draft is reinstated I think it should be older...

**** yes. we're getting trashed already, why not just make it legal? it's so easy to get boos these days anyways.

I think it should be lowered because teenagers will be less likely to drink stupidly. Some people (stupidly) drink because they get a high off of doing something illegal.... if it's not illegal, they probably wouldn't do it as much. We always want what we can't have.

People who are 45 drink stupidly, so I don't think it really matters if it's legal or not. Only difference is how much trouble you have to go to to get the booze.

This won't be popular, but I think alcohol should be banned all together like it was in the early 1900's. I have a long history of alcoholism in my family, and haven't seen one good thing out of alcohol drinking. Iv'e seen someone go through withdrawels, and think leprechauns were coming out of his throat. Iv'e seen someone close to me who had just recently had hip surgery fall after drinking too much, almost shattering his new hip, but Iv'e never seen anything good. I say BAN IT ALL!! All it does is cause trouble and heartache.

It's good for insomnia...that is if you're lucky enough to be one of those people who can drink half a drink and start sawing logs.

I don't recommend it for daily use though.

Drinking doesnt really make sense. To have a little wine or beer or whatever when your 21 or older is ok, but getting drunk and becoming an alchohalic is just as bad if not worse than smoking. What's the point? Getting drunk, acting like an idiot and possibly killing someone or yourself in a car accident? If they lower the drinking age to 18, I bet you that 95% of the 18-20 year olds that drink will drink irresponsibly and get drunk.

Spending $5 on something with really no nutritional value (especially in the 100 degree summers as it makes a worthless rehydriant) only to either barf it up or piss it out in 30 minutes makes as much sense as spending $25 for a carton of cigs that you watch burn and put tar in your lungs.

Alcohol makes more sense only if it's done like, a drink at dinner or at a celebration and only like, a glass or two.

I actually used to like the smell of cigarette smoke. Now I can't stand it. I don't know why...

As for alcohol, I'll never touch the stuff. Although there have been people who have threatened to spike my drinks. :eek: I try to keep a careful eye on them now.

People who cannot except the fact that someone chooses not to drink alcohol and try to make them drink it really :censored: me off.

It's sort of sad when you see an old man drunk on the street in the afternoon making an idiot of himself. I see it all the time.

I'm 16, and in the UK the drinking age is 18- but the UK has one of the biggest underage drinking problems. People are calling for the drinking age to be raised to 21 (and smoking to be raised to 18- smoking bans are popping up everywhere too fortunately) and I agree- when you're in high school you're amongst 18 year olds- many yonuger students know the older ones well, and it's sometimes the older students who get alcohol for the younger ones.

As well as that, off-licenses are irresponsible- there are people going in who obviously aren't 18 getting served alcohol. The drinking age shouldn't be lowered in the USA, and should be raised in the UK.

Drinking makes just as much sense as smoking does. Alcohol is a horrible thing. It can completely take over someone's life and ruin them.


Finally! Somebody who sees the truth! It's every bit as bad as smoking for the drinker, and their family and society. Living with an alcoholic is pure hell and dangerous to others and is worse than living with a smoker. Living with someone addicted to BOTH is even worse.

I can't believe they're putting tighter restrictions on smoking (which they should), but NOT on drinking. If anything, they seem to be relaxing it more and more. I don't like going to a stadium, and having some loudmouthed, rowdy drunk sitting around me spilling his beer over me and putting up with the smell just as much as people don't like smelling cigarette smoke. Then you know that same clown is going to get behind the wheel of his car in a couple of hours.

They'll NEVER ban alcohol again (for starters, it just doesn't work - it would make it another "underground" thing like the drug trade). Besides, these companies are huge lobbyists that would block any proposal. It's still the "socially acceptable" drug. They might change their mind if they ever saw firsthand what it can do to someone and their family.

Keep it at 21.

I dont drink or smoke ( And never have ), and watching those who do, I know i made the right decisions,,,,thx Uncle Gilles for forcing me to take a swig of your beer and a puff from your pipe when i was 4, you did me a big favour!!!
I honestly dont know why anyone puts that crap in their bodies on purpose!! :shocked

Drinking and smoking are both nasty, so I don't care.

Spending $5 on something with really no nutritional value (especially in the 100 degree summers as it makes a worthless rehydriant) only to either barf it up or piss it out in 30 minutes makes as much sense as spending $25 for a carton of cigs that you watch burn and put tar in your lungs.

Alcohol makes more sense only if it's done like, a drink at dinner or at a celebration and only like, a glass or two.
****ing Amen.

hell no. the less idiots there are ending up killing others while drunk there are, the better. 18 is too irresponsible anyway.

Now I feel dumb. =/

Teenagers do not need alcohol in their lives, really no person does. As a Christian, I feel that
the use of alcohol as a recreational beverage is morally wrong and it destroys lives.

Teenagers do not need alcohol in their lives, really no person does. As a christian, I feel that
the use of alcohol as a recreational beverage is morally wrong and it destroys lives.

As a Christian, it should be spelled with a capitol C. In the words of Peter Griffin - "woah, is this really the blood of Christ? He must have been wasted 24/7"

I figure, if I can die for my country, I can drink for it too.

I'm not totally sure about this, but I believe you can drink on a military base even if you are underage. (18 of course). Whether it's legal or not I dont know. So if you want to drink at 18, join the service. That excuse worked in the 70s but after vietnam, it's pretty lame. That's why they raised it back to 21 when I was little, apparently the little 18 year olds couldnt handle it.

capitol C
capital C

I'll be 21 soon anyway, so I don't care.

If you're going to be an irresponsible drinker, you're going to be one whether you're 18 or you're 35.

Drinking makes just as much sense as smoking does. Alcohol is a horrible thing. It can completely take over someone's life and ruin them.
Finally! Somebody who sees the truth! It's every bit as bad as smoking for the drinker, and their family and society. Living with an alcoholic is pure hell and dangerous to others and is worse than living with a smoker. Living with someone addicted to BOTH is even worse.

I can't believe they're putting tighter restrictions on smoking (which they should), but NOT on drinking. If anything, they seem to be relaxing it more and more. I don't like going to a stadium, and having some loudmouthed, rowdy drunk sitting around me spilling his beer over me and putting up with the smell just as much as people don't like smelling cigarette smoke. Then you know that same clown is going to get behind the wheel of his car in a couple of hours.

They'll NEVER ban alcohol again (for starters, it just doesn't work - it would make it another "underground" thing like the drug trade). Besides, these companies are huge lobbyists that would block any proposal. It's still the "socially acceptable" drug. They might change their mind if they ever saw firsthand what it can do to someone and their family.

Yep. I have seen what can happen to a person when they get addicted to alcohol. I bet more than half the people in jail are there because they were drunk or high when they broke the law.

I would raise the drinking age by one more year, so undergrads don't waste away the best years of their lives drinking from kegs of cheap beer in basements.


I figure, if I can die for my country, I can drink for it too.

It is sad, but if you have access to a commissary, then chances are nobody will card you, not unless you try and buy multiple cases of beer.

The difference for people in the military is they can't slack off. If they get drunk one night, and don't report for PT the next morning at 6am, they will have someone in their room at 6:05am chewing them out and making them run, hung over, puking, and feeling like crap. They will also probably loose two weeks pay, and be restricted from leaving the base for a month. The punishment for being irresponsible is so high in the military, soliders can't screw up.

In the civilian world, if some college kid who is 18 goes to a party, drinks til 3am, and then skips their 10am math class, nobody is going to knock on his door and ask where he was and why he missed class.

I think it should be 21. People are more irresponsible at younger ages.

i think 21 is way too late, how do you americans ever cope :eek:
thank god its 18 for the drinking age here :happyface

i think 21 is way too late, how do you americans ever cope :eek:
thank god its 18 for the drinking age here :happyface


lucky you..

how do we cope? we drink anyway. ;)

in all seriousness, im not sure how i feel about this. there are arguements on both sides, drunk driving fatalities do tend to be higher with the younger crowd, if youre serving in the military you can drink, which cancels out that old defense.
but i do think young people would be less irresponsible about it if it were legal, if they could go to a bar and have a few drinks instead of making god-awful jungle juice in the dorm room and hiding it from people. the law really doesnt stop the people who are going to drink from drinking underage.

meh, ive yet to be fully convinced either way. cheers.

The drinking age should remain at 21. 18 year olds are not responsible enough to be allowed to drink. I sure wasn't responsible enough to drink when I was 18. Neither were any of my friends. Of course a lot of teenagers are going to drink anyway (I did) , which is perfectly normal, but I don't think we should encourage it. Lowering the drinking age to 18 would be doing that.