What would you guys nominate as the rarest UM story?

Here's mine: (According to the episode guide it first aired on Oct. 5, 1988 during the same episode as the Gail Delano story). A man in Florida claimed to have photographed a UFO at close range as it hovered over the side of a highway. The photo seemed very realistic to investgators because the lights from the UFO were clearly reflected in the wet pavement. After UM broadcast the story, it turned out that the photo was a fake when a model of the UFO was found in the man's attic. I would LOVE to see this episode again, as I was 12 when it first aired and therefore didn't scrutinize the photo as much as I would have liked to!

P.S. If anyone has this story recorded, perhaps you can set up a deal with Echoes of Fear so that we might all enjoy this rare episode! :D

What would you guys nominate as the rarest UM story?

Here's mine: (According to the episode guide it first aired on Oct. 5, 1988 during the same episode as the Gail Delano story). A man in Florida claimed to have photographed a UFO at close range as it hovered over the side of a highway. The photo seemed very realistic to investgators because the lights from the UFO were clearly reflected in the wet pavement. After UM broadcast the story, it turned out that the photo was a fake when a model of the UFO was found in the man's attic. I would LOVE to see this episode again, as I was 12 when it first aired and therefore didn't scrutinize the photo as much as I would have liked to!

P.S. If anyone has this story recorded, perhaps you can set up a deal with Echoes of Fear so that we might all enjoy this rare episode! :D

But I don't collect UFO stories anyhow. Perhaps "Lifetime" won't air it due to it being fleshed out as a total fraud. I dunno?

But the rarest stuff would be the segments aired during the Burr or Malden specials - They haven't been seen on "Lifetime" ever and are unlikely ever to be aired again and haven't been seen in almost twenty years probably.

Later.

What would you guys nominate as the rarest UM story?

Without a doubt, the Ellender double homicide case profiled in 1995.

Regarding the UFO story: I used to be really into UFOs. The photo was taken by Ed Walters in Gulf Breeze Florida. I have a book he wrote about that and other incidents. Believe it or not, I also have a poster size copy of the photo in question.

I MAY be able to get that episode.

Justin...what is the Ellender double homicide......does not ring a bell to me.

Well my nominee for the list would be the one about the mother and young son who were murdered on the boys birthday. Kane recently posted an article about it. Until I found this board I had never even heard of this story and certainly have never seen it nor do I know anyone who has it on tape.

What would you guys nominate as the rarest UM story?

Here's mine: (According to the episode guide it first aired on Oct. 5, 1988 during the same episode as the Gail Delano story). A man in Florida claimed to have photographed a UFO at close range as it hovered over the side of a highway. The photo seemed very realistic to investgators because the lights from the UFO were clearly reflected in the wet pavement. After UM broadcast the story, it turned out that the photo was a fake when a model of the UFO was found in the man's attic. I would LOVE to see this episode again, as I was 12 when it first aired and therefore didn't scrutinize the photo as much as I would have liked to!

P.S. If anyone has this story recorded, perhaps you can set up a deal with Echoes of Fear so that we might all enjoy this rare episode! :D



Here's a site with information and the actual photos taken by Ed Walters :

http://ufocasebook.com/gulfbreeze.html

Well my nominee for the list would be the one about the mother and young son who were murdered on the boys birthday. Kane recently posted an article about it. Until I found this board I had never even heard of this story and certainly have never seen it nor do I know anyone who has it on tape.

Doh! You beat me to the punch, Crystaldawn. ;)

I consider that to be one of the rarest UM episodes, especially since I only saw it once on NBC (in 1994), and it was never rerun on Lifetime. But the fact that the boy happened to have been murdered on his fifth birthday in December of 1981 was one of the main reasons why I remember that episode.

For years, I couldn't remember the names of the victims until a recent search through the internet. The boy's name was Kristopher Korper, and her mother was Roxann Jo Jeeves. The double homicide went unsolved until 2003, when a man named George Washington Hicks (serving time in a Texas prison for unrelated offenses) was linked through DNA. At this point, I don't know if he has been tried for the murders.

Justin...what is the Ellender double homicide......does not ring a bell to me.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=144373

Well my nominee for the list would be the one about the mother and young son who were murdered on the boys birthday. Kane recently posted an article about it. Until I found this board I had never even heard of this story and certainly have never seen it nor do I know anyone who has it on tape.

I'm pretty sure I saw the NBC broadcast, but I forgot about it until Kane mentioned it a few years back.

FWIW, one of the stories from that episode was solved, and they added a somewhat lengthy update. So, the story probably got bumped.

I hate it when updates or commercial-time cause whole segments to be cut. Case in point, Special 4. Wasen't that entire Wanted case taken out? I saw no reason to do so, as few of the cases on the special were solved.

This is why I think Lifetime should have an Unsolved Mysteries month, where everyday from 3 - 6 PM, they show unedited episodes, starting from the first episode they are allowed to show (Special 4?) all the way to the farthest episode they can get to.

That would be awesome.

My rare episode is a alien abduction of some black guy who claimed aliens visited him all his life. I only saw it once after it premiered. It was one of the first episodes I believe. Please someone tell me they recognize this story before I go crazy. I believe the guy was in the Army/Navy.

Yeah, it's the Missing Time episode, probably the first UFO episode from UM I ever watched. It was shown early in the show's first season.

I hate it when updates or commercial-time cause whole segments to be cut. Case in point, Special 4. Wasen't that entire Wanted case taken out? I saw no reason to do so, as few of the cases on the special were solved.

Lifetime swapped stories from different episodes all the time.

In special 4, they deleted the "wanted" story about Strickland and Munday and stuck in the story about the Rhode Island murder/beating which was originally a part of special 7.

My rare episode is a alien abduction of some black guy who claimed aliens visited him all his life. I only saw it once after it premiered. It was one of the first episodes I believe. Please someone tell me they recognize this story before I go crazy. I believe the guy was in the Army/Navy.

I think I remember that one. Wasn't he walking home from a convenience store, and was in the parking lot when he saw a strange light?

That's all I seem to remember.

He got off a bus in front of a closed convenience store and was waiting for an Army jeep to pick him up and take him to the base when he saw the strange lights.

the rarest ones are the pre-stack specials, im under the impression Lifetime cannot legally air them without paying royalties

that, or some of the short half-hour stories that weren't on the hour-long episodes first

I'd love to see the one about the woman who stops at a deserted store after dark to buy a drink from a machine and all of a sudden, she gets attacked. The man stabs her, she plays dead to keep him away, and he leaves. A couple minutes later, she gets up and drives for help, only to run up on the guy that had stabbed her!!! He somehow realizes it's her, turns around after her, but she's made it to someone's house, and he just glares at her from the driveway. I haven't seen that one since 2001 or 2002. It scared the POOPOO out of me that day, and it was played at noon or so. I'd hate to have to watch that one by myself at dark!!!

By now a lot of us have seen the pre-Stack episodes thanks to the kind people of the board who trade...and for those who haven't I'm sure Echoes of Fear will have them on file shortly! :D
If I'm not mistaken, Echoes also has the woman abducted from in front of the soda machine (New Hampshire/Vermont serial killer). I think the one with the man abducted by a UFO in front of the convinence store is on the UFO DVD...

The Roxanne Jo Jeeves/Kristopher Korper murder and the Ellender double homicide are great nominees! I'm surprised that Lifetime doesn't show the Jeeves/Korper episode because it still hasn't been solved! I realize it's been 24 years now but certainly a little airtime wouldn't hurt! :rolleyes:

The Roxanne Jo Jeeves/Kristopher Korper murder and the Ellender double homicide are great nominees! I'm surprised that Lifetime doesn't show the Jeeves/Korper episode because it still hasn't been solved! I realize it's been 24 years now but certainly a little airtime wouldn't hurt! :rolleyes:

Actually, I mentioned that there was a break in the Jeeves/Korper case. In 2003, a Texas inmate named George Washington Hicks was linked to the case through DNA. So that case has practically been solved, even though I'm not sure if Hicks has been tried for the murders.

Just thought of another rarity:

I remember a story about a man who was hunting or fishing in the woods when he came upon an unidentified couple. The woman was pregnant and gave birth. Then her male companion strangled the newborn, and the pair fled. They didn't know the witness saw them. He was able to lead police back to the scene and the newborn's body was recovered.

IIRC, this story was shown on the same episode that carried the Larry Race case, and the disturbing story about the grandmother brainwashing her grandson with satanic videos. This episode has received almost no play on Lifetime. I think I've seen it only once in all the years I've been watching.

I didn't realize that was a rare one as I taped it off Lifetime a few months ago. It happened in Oklahoma and was a "Special Alert". They said a hunter watched helplessly across the lake as the male companion beat the newborn infant to death. It was so sad seeing those policemen carrying that newborn coffin and I don't know if either of them has been arrested. :(

I didn't realize that was a rare one as I taped it off Lifetime a few months ago. It happened in Oklahoma and was a "Special Alert". They said a hunter watched helplessly across the lake as the male companion beat the newborn infant to death. It was so sad seeing those policemen carrying that newborn coffin and I don't know if either of them has been arrested. :(

Yes, I've seen that special alert on Lifetime a couple times. And I also have it taped. A very sad story and the music that was playing in the background as the policemen carried the small coffin really sets the tone of this tragic event.

From what I remember, the couple was described as looking very young (late teens, early 20's probably). There were so many other ways of handling this if they really weren't prepared for parenthood, yet they still stooped this low. It's going to take an very extreme amount of luck if this case is to ever be solved. :(

Years ago UM aired a segment about the mysterious death of a woman who apparently left her house abruptly and was later found in a burned out car. As I remember it, the woman left the hose running by the pool in the backyard and may have even left the iron on. Her car either ran into a bridge or ran off the bridge, but she was dead when police arrived at the scene. I also remember something about a church bulletin being found near the scene of the accident. Is this segment ever shown on Lifetime? I saw it once, many years ago, and always wondered if there was an update.

Well, I just read some earlier posts and found out this segment (the woman's name was Aileen Conway) did air fairly recently on Lifetime. I truly thought it was rarely (if ever shown) because I had just seen it the one time during its original airing on NBC. Sorry for the confusion. :rolleyes:

This case is on Echo's of Fear website.

I'd love to see the one about the woman who stops at a deserted store after dark to buy a drink from a machine and all of a sudden, she gets attacked. The man stabs her, she plays dead to keep him away, and he leaves. A couple minutes later, she gets up and drives for help, only to run up on the guy that had stabbed her!!! He somehow realizes it's her, turns around after her, but she's made it to someone's house, and he just glares at her from the driveway. I haven't seen that one since 2001 or 2002. It scared the POOPOO out of me that day, and it was played at noon or so. I'd hate to have to watch that one by myself at dark!!!

Can you please tell me exactly how to get to where I can download the vending machine attack on that site? I'm having a lot of trouble finding my way through everything there.

The more I think about it, the more rare stories I think of.

When was the last time Lifetime showed the story about the RFK assassination conspiracy theory? Not the more recent story about Scott Enyart's photos, but the original report from the early nineties.

The Keith Reinhart (sp?) case. I didn't even know this story existed, and probably never would have, had I not left my VCR running late one night to catch the 2am 30 minute installment. I've never seen the story at any other time.

I didn't realize that was a rare one as I taped it off Lifetime a few months ago. It happened in Oklahoma and was a "Special Alert". They said a hunter watched helplessly across the lake as the male companion beat the newborn infant to death. It was so sad seeing those policemen carrying that newborn coffin and I don't know if either of them has been arrested. :(

I suppose rarity is, in some cases, in the eye of the beholder. As I said, I have only seen the episode in question once.

Can you please tell me exactly how to get to where I can download the vending machine attack on that site? I'm having a lot of trouble finding my way through everything there.


You click on Multimedia Files in the menu at the top left. Then choose Unsolved Mysteries, click on Wanted and it will list the stories. The one you want to select is titled "New Hampshire Attack" then click on download. Hope this helps.

You know JS I've been thinking about the Keith Reinhard case a lot recently. I would love to know if he has ever been found.

You know JS I've been thinking about the Keith Reinhard case a lot recently. I would love to know if he has ever been found.

You and me both. What do you think happened to him?

How's work, Justin? :)

You know I initially thought that he went up in the mountains to end his life like I believe Tom Young did (I definitely think it was suicide). I realize he was going through a midlife crisis and was obsessed with Young and what happened to him. The passage they found in his computer the day he left was also chilling. But the more I've been thinking, maybe he ran off and wanted everyone to think he ended up like Tom Young. As far as all the witnesses said, he had nothing with him (no gun) that was visible anyway. Who goes into the mountain on purpose to die of exposure? It doesn't seem plausible. Then I remembered that RS said he seemed fascinated with the idea of going to WV. Maybe he laid the plan out and told everyone he encountered that afternoon he was walking up the mountain, then left for another part of the US. They did say there was an extensive search and he is the only person that has never been found up there. Maybe he never was up there. Did anyone actually see him start up the mountain? Of course you could say why would he leave his family to worry about him but he didn't appear to be thinking clearly at the time so he may have not thought this through. Bottom line, I initially thought no doubt he went up in the mountains and died much like Tom Young but upon further thinking about some other details believe it could also be possible that he staged his whole "climbing the mountain" story and left for somewhere else. Your thoughts?

How's work, Justin? :)

Very good. They had me following a cheating husband last week. Fun. At the moment we're trying to locate a guy who is owed some money. So far as we know, he himself does not know money is coming his way. I can't wait to bring it to him. I never thought in a million years I would be doing this kind of work, but I think it is a nice place for me to be right now. Thanks for asking.

Your thoughts?

I understand your position, but I still think Reinhart killed himself. Just because no one saw a gun does not mean he didn't have one concealed somewhere, or didn't grab one at home or at the shop before embarking on the "hike". And why did he have to end his life in the mountains? I mean, that town looked pretty desolate. I think he probably could have found another equally out of the way location to shoot himself, and since he told people he was going to climb the mountain, it's not like they would be searching anywhere else. I agree about the mid-life crisis, but what motivation did he have to leave town all together? He may not have been thinking rationally, but did they ever find any evidence that he left the state? Surely a plane ticket, money missing from a bank account, or some other clue would have surfaced. Not to mention the fact that Reinhart embarked on the climb at four o' clock in the afternoon not carrying anything with him but the clothes on his back, and was never seen again by anyone. How would he have made it out of the state? Again, I think the mid-life crisis was a reality. I also think Reinhart was disillusioned by the realization that Young, a man he admired, and whom the main character in his novel was based on, had simply taken his own life. Young's death was not the cloak and dagger affair Reinhart believed it to be (recall the scene in which Reinhart told a friend his "theory" of what happened to Young). Rather, Young ended his life simply, and there is little doubt in my mind that Reinhart followed suit.

Works sounds very exciting and rewarding Justin. Keep me posted! Also I'm dying to know if you wear your RS trenchcoat when you're out working. :)

Yes, I completely understand your view on Keith. The one thing that seems odd to me is that they mentioned in all the times they've searched the mountains for missing people he is the only one they haven't located. Even Tom Young's body eventually surfaced. Of course there is no update but its possible they have found his body and we just don't know it. I noticed he isn't listed on any of the missing websites I checked so that makes you wonder.

Works sounds very exciting and rewarding Justin. Keep me posted! Also I'm dying to know if you wear your RS trenchcoat when you're out working. :)

Are you kidding?! The heat index today is 94! They did give me a badge though.

Yes, I completely understand your view on Keith. The one thing that seems odd to me is that they mentioned in all the times they've searched the mountains for missing people he is the only one they haven't located. Even Tom Young's body eventually surfaced. Of course there is no update but its possible they have found his body and we just don't know it. I noticed he isn't listed on any of the missing websites I checked so that makes you woner.

Yeah, that is strange. I wonder if they did find him in the mountains afterall. It took some time before Tom Young's remains were found, so I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Keth was found too, and Lifetime didn't give us an update. Especially considering how often they play that particular story.

What about Keith Reinhard? I think they only showed this one once. Also, I know they couldn't show any of the Burr/Malden specials d/t royalties. Those started our UM obsession.

I nominate the JonBenet episode that everyone seems to be hunting for! (And when someone finds it, let me know. I want to see it too!)

The Ed barber (or Barbara) case. Iam still looking for a copy of this segment which I believe aired only once

94 is nice to me .. i just got back from arizona a couple weeks ago .. When i was there it was 105 , 110..

Wow, I don't work for them anymore.

What an old thread.

I know someone who has the Ed Barbara story, but they are a pain to deal with.

What an old thread.



Yep, I was thinking the same thing. So how is your job Justin? :lol:

Yep, I was thinking the same thing. So how is your job Justin? :lol:

Pretty good. I sue people who don't pay their bills. Much more rewarding than PI work.

I no longer believe Reinhardt committed suicide, so that has changed too. I had some crazy ideas back then. :lol:

I no longer believe Reinhardt committed suicide, so that has changed too. I had some crazy ideas back then. :lol:

I no longer believe he committed suicide either. Reading those newspaper articles and the letter he wrote his wife shortly before he disappeared definitely changed my mind.

Avatar - is that Batman and Robin?

I no longer believe he committed suicide either. Reading those newspaper articles and the letter he wrote his wife shortly before he disappeared definitely changed my mind.

Do you still think he intentionally disappeared? I believe that he did go to climb the mountain to conquer his fear of heights, but ended up perishing, perhaps from a fall, or maybe he suffered a stroke or heart attack as someone on here suggested. Climbing a mountain requires a great deal of physical exertion and he didn't really seem prepared to embark on something like that.

What do you think of the illegal dumping theory?


Avatar - is that Batman and Robin?

You're kidding right? It's the sixties Green Hornet and Kato. Way cooler than the sixties Batman. :lol:

Do you still think he intentionally disappeared? I believe that he did go to climb the mountain to conquer his fear of heights, but ended up perishing, perhaps from a fall, or maybe he suffered a stroke or heart attack as someone on here suggested. Climbing a mountain requires a great deal of physical exertion and he didn't really seem prepared to embark on something like that.

What do you think of the illegal dumping theory?


You're kidding right? It's the sixties Green Hornet and Kato. Way cooler than the sixties Batman. :lol:

I think its more likely that he died accidentally than that he saw something he shouldn't have and was murdered. He suffered from vertigo (why someone with vertigo would want to climb a mountain is beyond me) and his friend posted on here recently said he was quite a drinker so if he was intoxicated when he started the walk he could have been even more likely to lose his balance and fall. Plus if he happened to be intoxicated (just speculation on my part, no evidence that he was) it may have gave him more courage in thinking he could conquer the mountain.

Green Hornet, Kato, Batman, Robin.....same difference. :p :lol:

I think its more likely that he died accidentally than that he saw something he shouldn't have and was murdered. He suffered from vertigo (why someone with vertigo would want to climb a mountain is beyond me) and his friend posted on here recently said he was quite a drinker so if he was intoxicated when he started the walk he could have been even more likely to lose his balance and fall. Plus if he happened to be intoxicated (just speculation on my part, no evidence that he was) it may have gave him more courage in thinking he could conquer the mountain.

Green Hornet, Kato, Batman, Robin.....same difference. :p :lol:

Yes, I did forget the drinking angle. Good point. I must say that if your theory is correct, this would be a very mundane solution to a not-so-mundane case as presented by UM. You would think there was treachery afoot going by what was presented in the segment.Take a few minutes to think about it logically and the simple explanation does make a lot of sense. It usually does.

I only saw this one once on NBC and never again. It was about this guy who was held hostage in the middle east. After he gets back he starts getting phone calls from somebody with a little kids voice saying "I'm going to kill you" They called the mystery caller "L'enfant". I remember this guy had a nervous breakdown because of the calls. Anyone know the guy's name or remember this case?

I only saw this one once on NBC and never again. It was about this guy who was held hostage in the middle east. After he gets back he starts getting phone calls from somebody with a little kids voice saying "I'm going to kill you" They called the mystery caller "L'enfant". I remember this guy had a nervous breakdown because of the calls. Anyone know the guy's name or remember this case?

The victim's name was Bashir Kouchacji. Search his name on here and you'll probably find some other threads on the case.

It's been on Lifetime numerous times.

I nominate the JonBenet episode that everyone seems to be hunting for! (And when someone finds it, let me know. I want to see it too!)
Agree ..

So what does everyone think... Why do you think some cases were "rarer" than others, and never shown again on TV?

Also, does anyone think that every episode will ever be "officially" released?

I recently saw a clip from echoes of fear with the original host, and THAT was weird.

So what does everyone think... Why do you think some cases were "rarer" than others, and never shown again on TV?

Also, does anyone think that every episode will ever be "officially" released?

I recently saw a clip from echoes of fear with the original host, and THAT was weird.

This thread will blow your mind. Speculation as to why some of these segments never materialized is covered there too.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=219882