My room mates and I have begun seperating the episodes of Laverne & Shirley into 3 distinct categories, all based on Shirley; Sexy Shirley, Sucky Shirley, and Non Shirley.

Sexy Shirley episodes are the earliest ones, where she has the cute pixie-ish haircut that is such a dark brown that it's almost black. I would give *anything* to date a woman who looked like Sexy Shirley!

Sucky Shirley episodes are the ones where for some weird reason Shirley decided to grow her hair longer and start dying it a lighter color. In some Sucky Shirley episodes, her hair is nearly the same color as Laverne's!

And then we come to the Non Shirley Episodes, which have more testicular fortitude than any show in the history of television. How can you kep the title "Laverne & Shirley" without Shirley present? It's like Sanford without Son... Chico without The Man... Rocky without Bullwinkle!

My room mates refuse to watch the Non-Shirley episodes, but I will occasionally force myself to watch them. I think it is important to watch these episodes, just to remind ourselves that no matter how good a concept is, sometimes you should just let it go...

I totally agree withy your "Sexy Shirley" "Sucky Shirley" and "No Shirley". I hate it when she dies her hair! She looks like such a geek! Did you notice that they didn't have lenny when shirley left too? I like Squigy better anyway but that's just weird. They should have just quit the show once shirl left.

Later~The T.

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wa wa wa-chachi

I know you know but he dont haveta know-fonz

live fast love hard and don't let anybody use your comb.-fonz

I'm a ten year man!-sargeany belcher

I've been a man all my life-fonz

What does that mean?-marion

Sit on it!-howard cunningham

Hello-Squigy

I totally agree withy your "Sexy Shirley" "Sucky Shirley" and "No Shirley". I hate it when she dies her hair! She looks like such a geek! Did you notice that they didn't have lenny when shirley left too? I like Squigy better anyway but that's just weird. They should have just quit the show once shirl left.

Later~The T.

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wa wa wa-chachi

I know you know but he dont haveta know-fonz

live fast love hard and don't let anybody use your comb.-fonz

I'm a ten year man!-sargeany belcher

I've been a man all my life-fonz

What does that mean?-marion

Sit on it!-howard cunningham

Hello-Squigy

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I think that all sitcom writers should be required to watch the entire run of the last season of L&S to see how NOT to end a series. Did they even have a series finale, or did the show just kind of slip into non-existence?

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[This message has been edited by Freakzilla (edited 06-29-2000).]

I think the last episode of Laverne and Shirley, oddly enough, was an episode about Carmine making his way on Broadway. Weird that they would end a show named Laverne and Shirley with an episode with no Shirley and very little Laverne.

I think the reason why they kept the name Laverne and Shirley was so they could sell the Laverne episodes into syndication. Business-wise, it makes sense. The more episodes they could offer, the more stations would pay for the show.

Yes, Freakzilla is correct that the last episode was when Carmine went to Brodway to try to make it big ("Here Today, Hair Tomorrow" is the official episode name). As far as series finales go, I think they could have done so much better - maybe bringing Shirley back or something. It is definatly true that the show died a slow and painful death - at first it was great, and then starting with around when they moved to California, it became not-so-good. As for Lenny leaving, yes Michael McKean (who plays Lenny) did leave the show around the same time as Cindy Williams (Shirley) to go work on a movie. I sometimes watch the ones with just Laverne, but for the most part, they're all about Squiggy, Mr. DeFazio, or Carmine - who were okay supporting characters, but the show wasn't named "Carmine and Frank" for a reason. It was like "Laverne and Shirley" starring all of their friends. It was Penny and Cindy's great chemistry that made them such a great duo - and that made L&S such a good show.

What they should have done in the 8th season was have a story at the beginning where Shirley meets the man of her dreams and have them get married. It could have been a 4 part episode. In the first part, Laverne and Shirley are on a cruise, Shirley meets a guy she really likes. In second part, the cruise is about end, neither Shirley or the guy can imagine being apart, so the guy proposes to Shirley or vice versa. In the 3rd part, Shirley and the guy get married. And in the 4th part, after they've moved into an apartment near Laverne's, Shirley finds out she's pregnant. That would have provided a plot for the entire season and kept Cindy Williams on the show. Plus, I think that Shirley's labor scene would probably have been funny. Just imagine, Shirley's in labor, and Lenny and Squiggy come running into the room wearing hospital scrubs.

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It's been a long time, and I try to avoid the California episodes... why did Shirley leave, and why did Lenny leave? Did they do special episodes around the characters leaving, or was it just "Oh, Lenny and Shirley are gone"? Can someone *please* post a synopsis of these episodes to refresh my memory? Thank you!

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I thought that Carmine episode was the last one. And Shirley left becuase she got pregnant and Lenny left to do a movie. I didn't see the exact episode where Shirl left but I do remember the one where Laverne finds the one page note from shirl and thinks that she was really rood. Gimme your e-mail and I'll give ya some more info on the ep.

See ya~The T.



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My e-mail address is all over the place! You can click on the link to my web page to contact me through that, if you like. I would definately like some more information! When did Shirley get Knocked-up? Was it a doctor? Man, this sucks!

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Michael McKean left to work on the movie "This is Spinal Tap" Cindy WIlliams left because she felt they were trying to force her off the show. She was going to take off for 10 episodes while they were going to pay her in full for those 10 episodes, then she was going to come back. Since she felt she was being forced off the show, she sued Paramount for $20 million. She eventually dropped the lawsuit, but she quit the show to raise her baby. They wrote her off by having her marry some army medic wrapped up like a mummy, getting pregnant, and moving overseas with her new family. They kept the name Laverne & Shirley because Penny Marshall didn't want people to think she forced Cindy Williams off the show.

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"Well, Laverne is sort of childish"

"Childish? Childish? COming from a grown woman who throws tea parties for her stuffed cat!"

"Well at least I don't sew L's on everything I wear!"

"Well that would be pretty stupid considering your name's Shirley!"

WOw... thank you L&S! That's *exactly* the information I was looking for! I never knew that tthere was such bad blood between Shirley and the studio... I wonder why they decided to write her out of those 10 episodes? Perhaps we will never know...

So how did they write off the character of Lenny?

Cindy Williams was supposed to be out of those 10 episodes because in real life she actually was pregnant, and she needed to be with her baby (obviouslly). hey didn't really write Lenny out of the series. He just never showed up, but they did mention him all the time (Such as, in "The Ghost Story", Squiggy says "I'm gonna hide where no ghost will ever look. Underneath Lenny's bed!")

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"Well, Laverne is sort of childish"

"Childish? Childish? COming from a grown woman who throws tea parties for her stuffed cat!"

"Well at least I don't sew L's on everything I wear!"

"Well that would be pretty stupid considering your name's Shirley!"

Laverneshirley, you ROCK! May I ask how old you are?

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I just turned 13 this June

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"Well, Laverne is sort of childish"

"Childish? Childish? COming from a grown woman who throws tea parties for her stuffed cat!"

"Well at least I don't sew L's on everything I wear!"

"Well that would be pretty stupid considering your name's Shirley!"

That is interesting about shirley! I didn't know that! WoW! Cool! Thanks for sayin that!

see ya~The T

13?!?!? How the hech does a 13 year old get to be so knowledgeable in the fine art of television sit-coms? I salute you, LaverneShirley!

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LoL, thanks! In answer to your question, it's pretty simple. I'm obsessed. I have most of the episodes on tape, I have Garry Marshall's autobiography, and I've been to about every L&S site there is on the web. I could introduce you to a lot of 13 and 14 year old fanatics who know as much (and probably more) about the show than I do.

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"Well, Laverne is sort of childish"

"Childish? Childish? COming from a grown woman who throws tea parties for her stuffed cat!"

"Well at least I don't sew L's on everything I wear!"

"Well that would be pretty stupid considering your name's Shirley!"

Oh, sure... introduce me to all those 13 and 14 year olds, and people are gonna think I'm sort of internet-stalking kid toucher! The type of guy who drives around in an old van with no windows, playing that distorted "Icecream truck" music through my tape deck... spray painted "ICE CREAM" on the side of the van, asking all the little girls "Do you like Strawberry? I'll bet you do! I think I have some in the back here... why don't you come inside, and I'll see if I can find some!"

*shudder*... sometimes, when i write, I even creep MYSELF out! Sorry about all that...

So how the heck did L&S get so popular with you kids these days? What is it about the show that appeals to you?

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Yeah what is it that appeals to you? i find that strange that so many teenagers like L&S with all the other sick shows out there.

See ya~The t

I don't know... I've never been able to answer that question! I guess it's just because it's funny and it has a good cast and... and... well, I don't know... As for the sick shows, that's exactly the reason I stopped watching newer shows. N@N is a safe haven... except in 20 or 25 years when it's schedule is made up of shows that are on today...okay, that's a scary thought... Dawson replacing Fonzie is NOT a happy thought...

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"Well, Laverne is sort of childish"

"Childish? Childish? COming from a grown woman who throws tea parties for her stuffed cat!"

"Well at least I don't sew L's on everything I wear!"

"Well that would be pretty stupid considering your name's Shirley!"

Ooh, THAT'S an interesting thought... Dawson's Creek on Nick at Night? Naaaaah... but I'm sure we'll soon see shows such as Friends, Sienfeld, Will & Grace, and possibly others! Personally,, I'd like to see Growing Pains on there, but it looks like Disney has the rights to all of that...

Hmmmmm...

I think this may be a new topic for the General Questions board!

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Oh I see. I don't think N@N will be putting seinfeld on there any time soon. At least I don't think so. They still play reruns all the time.

See ya~The T

Well, I did say in 20-25 years, and by then they might even have shows that won't even premiere for another couple years. Ya never know with N@N. I mean, L&S had only been off the air for 15 years when it came to N@N. And Happy Days...well, I don't know when it came to N@N, but it was a few years before L&S came, and HD lasted one more season after L&S canceled (or was it two?). Anyway, right now it only has sitcoms (I think that's all it has) but it might take on dramas...

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"Well, Laverne is sort of childish"

"Childish? Childish? COming from a grown woman who throws tea parties for her stuffed cat!"

"Well at least I don't sew L's on everything I wear!"

"Well that would be pretty stupid considering your name's Shirley!"

Okay, that's it... I'm OFFICIALLY moving this subject to the General Discussion board. This is too important for just us L&S fans to decide!

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Good point!

See ya~The T