Ok, homosexuality isn't a big issue with me & I've been hearing rumors about his sexuality & what not. I don't know if this has been discussed before but I was watching an episode yesterday. The one where Florida was allergic to the plant & Michael ended up in jail. There was one scene where Florida was wondering where Michael was & she opened the door & there he was kissing a girl who wore a light blue dress. I don't know if my mind was playing tricks on me but I could have sworn that was a dude in drag. They didn't show much of the female. I just wanted to know what everyone thought?

It's been discussed, in this thread. (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=72667) If I've seen this episode, it's been a long time, so I don't remember. I have to wait until it's on dvd or shown on TV Land, but I have a hard time believing they would go through the trouble of having a guy dress like a girl just because Ralph Carter would rather kiss a guy.

Thanks!!

I can also remember this being discussed about a year or so ago. I'd had completely forgot about it and never watched it. Thanks for reminding us. As a matter of fact, I don't even own that particular episode.

Exactly which episode is it. After reading the original thread, there seems to be a mixup in the title.

I was the one who brung up this topic a year ago and yes it was a MAN in drag. There was no way that was a woman, it;s just no way. So that was proof right there that Ralph was Gay not that there is anything wrong with that-lol

Was that the episode when Michael was kissing this person in the hallway. And Penny started giggling. :D

I was the one who brung up this topic a year ago and yes it was a MAN in drag. There was no way that was a woman, it;s just no way. So that was proof right there that Ralph was Gay not that there is anything wrong with that-lol

So you really think at that time Raplh Carter was all out and open to the cast and crew and they had a guy dress as a woman just so he wouldn't actually have to kiss a female? If you're that convinced, I can't wait to see this episode. I gotta see it for myself.

Was that the episode when Michael was kissing this person in the hallway. And Penny started giggling. :D

Yup, you will be able to see it's a light skin man

So you really think at that time Raplh Carter was all out and open to the cast and crew and they had a guy dress as a woman just so he wouldn't actually have to kiss a female? If you're that convinced, I can't wait to see this episode. I gotta see it for myself.


I will bet my remaining paychecks of 2005 that the person Michael was kissing was a male. That's how convinced I am it was not a woman

What season was that?

What season was that?


Season 6

The more I see it, the more it does look like a man! oh my god, How come I didn't see this before? And i'm supposed to be the Good Times fan!

I got that episode on tape. I had to keep looking at that. At first, it looked like a real girl, but when they show the hallway, when Penny and Kim Fields exit, the "girl" and Michael separated, and that's where you could tell that could be a dude. I can't believe after watching GT over and over like I have, I couldn't catch that. But, when you are into the show, you don't look for stuff like that.

I got that episode on tape. I had to keep looking at that. At first, it looked like a real girl, but when they show the hallway, when Penny and Kim Fields exit, the "girl" and Michael separated, and that's where you could tell that could be a dude. I can't believe after watching GT over and over like I have, I couldn't catch that. But, when you are into the show, you don't look for stuff like that.


Yeah that's true. If you were watching this ep for the first Time u probably wouldn't notice it. But Michael was either kissing a very UGLY girl or a Dude Dressed as a Woman-lol

Yeah that's true. If you were watching this ep for the first Time u probably wouldn't notice it. But Michael was either kissing a very UGLY girl or a Dude Dressed as a Woman-lol
Was it Jimmie Walker? :eek:







;)

This reminder is going to be a definite motivational factor for I when I buy the 5th season of Good Times..Thanks!!!

This reminder is going to be a definite motivational factor for I when I buy the 5th season of Good Times..Thanks!!!


Michael kissing a guy in drag is from season 6, not season 5. So you will have to wait atleast another year

Michael kissing a guy in drag is from season 6, not season 5. So you will have to wait atleast another year


Nope, it'll be on TVLand, unless they edit the scene out.

Sunday July 24: 11:30p #128 – The Physical

Michael kissing a guy in drag is from season 6, not season 5. So you will have to wait atleast another year
Oh Darn, I am so disappointed :( and next time I need to pay more attention to the other posts on this particular thread...Hello?... :rolleyes:


Where it is stated it is from season 6!!!! (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2521677&postcount=12)

Oh Darn, I am so disappointed :( and next time I need to pay more attention to the other posts on this particular thread...Hello?... :rolleyes:


Where it is stated it is from season 6!!!! (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2521677&postcount=12)


I thought I'd have to wait until the season 6 dvd came out too, but hopefully TVLand will air this infamous scene so I can see what everyone's talking about.

I thought I'd have to wait until the season 6 dvd came out too, but hopefully TVLand will air this infamous scene so I can see what everyone's talking about.
Solomon has definitely got my curiousity piqued... :)

Nope, it'll be on TVLand, unless they edit the scene out.

Sunday July 24: 11:30p #128 – The Physical



I forgot about TV Land-lol

I forgot about TV Land-lol
Well TV Land is pretty FORGETTABLE ;)

What was the name of that episode?

What was the name of that episode?



If you are talking about when Michael kissed the Guy in Drag, it's called "the Physical"

I don't understand something. If that really was a dude, why wouldn't Ralph Carter want a female to kiss even if he's gay or not? I mean it's just acting, it's not like he would have to get involved with the female he's kissing & get married to her! I wondered if any of the audience members noticed that!?

I don't understand something. If that really was a dude, why wouldn't Ralph Carter want a female to kiss even if he's gay or not? I mean it's just acting, it's not like he would have to get involved with the female he's kissing & get married to her! I wondered if any of the audience members noticed that!?



It would have been impossible for the Studio Audience to notice, only the TV Viewers

Then why would Michael kiss that other girl? I forgot the name of the eipsode, but they were having a party and they were locking lips like never before. Wait a minute!! It was when that guy tried kill himself in their apartment. She was the same girl Michael was afraid of in a previous episode. She liked JJ instead. Yvonne was her name.

It would have been impossible for the Studio Audience to notice, only the TV Viewers


Not necessarily. I'm sure the audience can see the actors moving around on the set when they're setting up for the scene. They're not seeing the shot from the same angle as the camera. Unless they had a bag before the person's head and took it off right before they shot the scene to hide the person's gender, the studio audience could probably tell.

Michael was a bold..um guy.. to do that. I wonder what the cast members thought. However, maybe they didn't know that the female would actually be a man indrag. If they did knew, talk about keeping things under wraps for years. And it took us fans to peep it.

Then why would Michael kiss that other girl? I forgot the name of the eipsode, but they were having a party and they were locking lips like never before. Wait a minute!! It was when that guy tried kill himself in their apartment. She was the same girl Michael was afraid of in a previous episode. She liked JJ instead. Yvonne was her name.


Yeah he did kiss the Girl who played Yvonne but I doubt if he enjoyed it-lol-LOL

What was even funnier was what he said to JJ. Something to the effect, 'too bad you're not getting any'.

This episode is on around 4am in the morning. I am going to tape it to see for myself.

This episode is on around 4am in the morning. I am going to tape it to see for myself.


Brian it comes on Tonight at 11:30pm

I don't believe it. I thought it would be something obvious the way some of you guys were carrying on, but now that I've seen it for myself, I'm assuming that was a real female Michael was kissing. I'll admit for one split second at a certain angle I can see why you'd think it was a guy, but it just as easily been like someone said "an ugly girl."

This episode is on around 4am in the morning. I am going to tape it to see for myself.



Brian were you able to catch the ep with Michael kissing that guy with a WIG on?-LOL

On second thought...

I didn't know that scene continued after the commercial break. Now I'm not so sure. The arms and hands look feminine though.

Damn, I'm examining this scene like a ref reviewing a last second shot.

I don't believe it. I thought it would be something obvious the way some of you guys were carrying on, but now that I've seen it for myself, I'm assuming that was a real female Michael was kissing. I'll admit for one split second at a certain angle I can see why you'd think it was a guy, but it just as easily been like someone said "an ugly girl."


Sorry but that person was a GUY. Clearly it was a guy

On second thought...

I didn't know that scene continued after the commercial break. Now I'm not so sure. The arms and hands look feminine though.

Damn, I'm examining this scene like a ref reviewing a last second shot.



all you have to do is look at the face and the hair which is a WIG. Plus i think I noticed a mustache so it's defintely a GUY.

Sorry but that person was a GUY. Clearly it was a guy


Check my last post, I gave in a little. I wouldn't say CLEARLY but I can see your point.

all you have to do is look at the face and the hair which is a WIG. Plus i think I noticed a mustache so it's defintely a GUY.


There are girls who have mustaches.

I don't know, maybe it was a guy. I just have a hard time believing that they would go through the trouble of having a dude dress as a girl for Michael to do a kissing scene. It seems like a lot to go through.

Um, I didn't see this. But I really don't understand why they would have a drag queen come on set to make out with someone. I don't know anything about how much time this person spent on screen, but unless that being a man having a big impact on the episode, I don't think they'd go to the trouble.

Probably an ugly girl.

the character Michael was kissing was not listed in the closing credits which confirms it was a male dressed as a female.

Yeah, that proves it. :rolleyes:

Now, has this episode already aired on TV Land because I want to see for myself. Heh, I've become a Good Times fan literally overnight. Actually, not really a fan, but I like it and I'm posting in this board.

Ah, **** it. This is ludicrous.

wow

this can of worms have been opened again

thats all I'm going to say on this one

Brian were you able to catch the ep with Michael kissing that guy with a WIG on?-LOL

Well, I did see it and tape it. It really happens quick. Keep in mind, I was looking for a dude the whole time. I didn't see it when just watching the episode. I had to review the tape and I have to say, that did look like a guy.

I think that is sick if it really was a guy, because you had two little girls looking at that.

Yeah I saw the episode last night and it does look like a guy dressed as a girl.

Ditto. I finally watched it last night and it surely does look like a "gump". :D

The thing that did it for me is the way he/she nodded after Florida broke up the kiss. It should have been a shy, embarassed feminine nod but it looked like he/she nodded like a guy would nod, not a girl.

I don't understand something. If that really was a dude, why wouldn't Ralph Carter want a female to kiss even if he's gay or not? I mean it's just acting, it's not like he would have to get involved with the female he's kissing & get married to her! I wondered if any of the audience members noticed that!?


It might just be acting, but if you were an actor and asked to kiss another guy for a scene, would you be willing to?

I wouldn't be surprised that the cast and crew were aware of his sexuality, but kept it quiet because he hadn't come out yet. Maybe he asked and they agreed to have a guy (maybe even his real life boyfriend) dress as a female for the scene.

What kills me is that you see females kissing each other (AS females) all the time on shows and nobody makes a big deal about it, but when a guy does it, its news for some reason.

It might just be acting, but if you were an actor and asked to kiss another guy for a scene, would you be willing to?

I wouldn't be surprised that the cast and crew were aware of his sexuality, but kept it quiet because he hadn't come out yet. Maybe he asked and they agreed to have a guy (maybe even his real life boyfriend) dress as a female for the scene.

What kills me is that you see females kissing each other (AS females) all the time on shows and nobody makes a big deal about it, but when a guy does it, its news for some reason.


Because two women kissing is more accepted than 2 men kissing in our society. When it comes to 2 women, guys don;t mind it and even so girls dont but two guys??? Guys or Girls are not interested in that crazy mess

I wouldn't be surprised that the cast and crew were aware of his sexuality, but kept it quiet because he hadn't come out yet. Maybe he asked and they agreed to have a guy (maybe even his real life boyfriend) dress as a female for the scene.

What kills me is that you see females kissing each other (AS females) all the time on shows and nobody makes a big deal about it, but when a guy does it, its news for some reason.


The only thing about this situation is that it seems like an awfully lot to go through. It's not like that scene was so essential to the episode that they couldn't do the episode without that scene, or just have Ralph Carter be an actor and kiss a real girl. If I'm not mistaken he kissed a girl on a previous episode so it's strange to go through all of that (Having a guy dress as a girl) just so he'd be kissing someone he's more comfortable with. I don't have any problem with him kissing a guy. I think people just have a hard time believing that so much effort was put into making him feel comfortable for a two minute scene.

Because two women kissing is more accepted than 2 men kissing in our society. When it comes to 2 women, guys don;t mind it and even so girls dont but two guys??? Guys or Girls are not interested in that crazy mess


I'm a "girl" and I don't appreciate seeing two others lip-locked!!! :lol: As you know, I've got absolutely nothing against homosexuality, but it just kills me this double-standard. You can tell its still a "man's world" in television production, because I can assure you this trend wouldn't be happening if women were at the helm. It's still homosexuality either way you slice it - just a double-standard.

I know for a fact Solomon that you'd be slamming a show like crazy if they had two guys kissing on it (that wasn't a show geared to that lifestyle).



(sorry for going a bit off topic there!) :D

The only thing about this situation is that it seems like an awfully lot to go through. It's not like that scene was so essential to the episode that they couldn't do the episode without that scene, or just have Ralph Carter be an actor and kiss a real girl. If I'm not mistaken he kissed a girl on a previous episode so it's strange to go through all of that (Having a guy dress as a girl) just so he'd be kissing someone he's more comfortable with. I don't have any problem with him kissing a guy. I think people just have a hard time believing that so much effort was put into making him feel comfortable for a two minute scene.

Oh I know - you've got a good point, but I'm just trying to figure out some sort of reason IF it were a guy - otherwise, again, it seems like a lot of trouble for an insignificant scene, so all I could think of was that it was a specific request for whatever reason.

Think of all the love scenes poor Rock Hudson had to endure throughout his career (maybe Ralph thought he was going to be the next Rock and wanted to nip that in the bud! :lol: )

Honstly, i don;t want to either see that scene anymore because it's really hard to watch. I plan to fast forward in the future

wow this thread has once again turned into a monster :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

wow this thread has once again turned into a monster :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


And it's all because of me paying attention to everything I see in a episode.

And it's all because of me paying attention to everything I see in a episode.


You'll take credit for everrything, huh?

You'll take credit for everrything, huh?


Did you forget I was the TV show analyzer?-lol

Did you forget I was the TV show analyzer?-lol


:lol: I don't recall a vote being taken on that - wasn't that a self-appointment? :p

Did you forget I was the TV show analyzer?-lol


You had me analyzing that scene last night.

The young lady in question, regarding the episode whether Ralph Carter is kissing a guy in drag, is in fact a LADY. Her name is Sarina C. Grant. She also goes by the name Sarina Grant. She has appeared in the following:
The French Connection
Money on the Side (1982)
Hill St. Blues
The Facts of Life
Diff. Strokes
The Jeffersons
She had numerous roles in other movies and television. All it takes is a good search on the internet to find this out.

The young lady in question, regarding the episode whether Ralph Carter is kissing a guy in drag, is in fact a LADY. Her name is Sarina C. Grant. She also goes by the name Sarina Grant. She has appeared in the following:
The French Connection
Money on the Side (1982)
Hill St. Blues
The Facts of Life
Diff. Strokes
The Jeffersons
She had numerous roles in other movies and television. All it takes is a good search on the internet to find this out.

Wrong. That's not who Michael was kissing. Sarina Grant was the darker skinned woman at the police station in that episode. She's appeared on more than one episode of Good Times. All it takes is watching the episode and paying attention to the credits to find this out.

Wrong. That's not who Michael was kissing. Sarina Grant was the darker skinned woman at the police station in that episode. She's appeared on more than one episode of Good Times. All it takes is watching the episode and paying attention to the credits to find this out.


LOL-I would have said WRONG!!!-LOL The poster just knew they were in the right and was dead wrong

The young lady in question, regarding the episode whether Ralph Carter is kissing a guy in drag, is in fact a LADY. Her name is Sarina C. Grant. She also goes by the name Sarina Grant. She has appeared in the following:
The French Connection
Money on the Side (1982)
Hill St. Blues
The Facts of Life
Diff. Strokes
The Jeffersons
She had numerous roles in other movies and television. All it takes is a good search on the internet to find this out.



You are NEW, DETAILED, and WRONG!!!!!!!!-LOL

Kudos to Solomon for spotting it, because I would've never picked that up. My best guess, is that it was his real life boyfriend in drag. I mean you've got to be suspicious, because...

1. You never see "her" face.

2. The "girl" had no lines.

You are NEW, DETAILED, and WRONG!!!!!!!!-LOL


:lol:
I was thinking, paralegal: you just lost your first case.

Kudos to Solomon for spotting it, because I would've never picked that up. My best guess, is that it was his real life boyfriend in drag. I mean you've got to be suspicious, because...

1. You never see "her" face.

2. The "girl" had no lines.




Those are two very good points Brian. And your two points prove that the person was a Guy

Those are two very good points Brian. And your two points prove that the person was a Guy


Plus, I looked at her hands and they did look a bit masqueline.

One other point, she was never credited on the show. I find that very suspicious.

I guess he/she was uncredited, they're not listed in the official press kit:

"The Physical"

Florida Evans Esther Rolle Keith Anderson Ben Powers
Willona Woods Ja'Net DuBois Kim Kim Fields
Michael Evans Ralph Carter Wanda Helen Martin
Thelma Evans BernNadette Stanis Sergeant Charles Hallahan
Penny Gordon Janet Jackson Bessie Sarina C. Grant
Bookman Johnny Brown

Florida's efforts to pass an important medical exam for work may be thwarted by a well meaning gift from the very children she cares about most. Things turn from bad to worse when Michael's attempts to deal with the troublesome gift land him in the city jail.

Ah NUTS - is THAT the episode? ARGH - I saw it in the guide yesterday, but thought it wasn't anything special so I missed THAT one too.

Crap - the two episodes I wanted to see most I missed.


Well, there ya go - either I wait for it to be run again on TVLand (julienned of course) or I at least rent the DVD....can anyone get a screen cap of it???

Can someone with the DVD of this episode please check it out. When Michael mentioned the girl's name (the alleged "guy") he called her "Bessie". The closing credits listed Bessie being played by Sarina c.Grant. If I am wrong, I will admit it, but I specifically watched this episode to see what everyone was claiming and when her name was mentioned, I then checked the closing credits and from there searched on the internet to see if there were any photos/images of her. Just found the acting credits. Can anyone check this out for me?

Can someone with the DVD of this episode please check it out. When Michael mentioned the girl's name (the alleged "guy") he called her "Bessie". The closing credits listed Bessie being played by Sarina c.Grant. If I am wrong, I will admit it, but I specifically watched this episode to see what everyone was claiming and when her name was mentioned, I then checked the closing credits and from there searched on the internet to see if there were any photos/images of her. Just found the acting credits. Can anyone check this out for me?


The name of Michael's girl in this episode was Betty, not Bessie. Again, Bessie was the woman at the police station.

The name of Michael's girl in this episode was Betty, not Bessie. Again, Bessie was the woman at the police station.


Was it betty or BEN?-lol :lol:

ah, i see, then i just heard wrong. Hmmm, wondering now

Was it betty or BEN?-lol :lol:


Solomon you are too much.. :lol:
Have you ever consider becoming a comedian or a comedy writer?..there are times when you are absolutely hilarious :lol:

Solomon you are too much.. :lol:
Have you ever consider becoming a comedian or a comedy writer?..there are times when you are absolutely hilarious :lol:


Is this the former Lady T? I didn't know that was you.

Me either, all these name changes confuse me.

Solomon you are too much.. :lol:
Have you ever consider becoming a comedian or a comedy writer?..there are times when you are absolutely hilarious :lol:


Not really, but i have always enjoyed making people laugh.

I found this quote from Janet Jackson:
Janet received her first kiss from actor Ralph Carter. Janet recalls: "I was 12 years old, and it was our last episode of Good Times. He wanted to say good-bye. So he called me in the room and he gave me a kiss on my lips".
Apparently, Ralph wasn't totally opposed to kissing females. Maybe he just liked them young.

Is this the former Lady T? I didn't know that was you.


So THAT'S what happened to them!!! Geez!!

We should have some sort of page that can cross reference all these name changes!! :lol:


Back On Topic - if you can spot an adam's apple on BettyBen there - it'll be proof positive! "Man hands" are also a good clue, but I knew a petite chick who couldn't have ripped 10 lb lobsters apart, so its not definitive - the adams apple is tho! ;)

I found this quote from Janet Jackson:

Apparently, Ralph wasn't totally opposed to kissing females. Maybe he just liked them young.

Does Ralph have any children?

I was the one who brung up this topic a year ago and yes it was a MAN in drag. There was no way that was a woman, it;s just no way. So that was proof right there that Ralph was Gay not that there is anything wrong with that-lol


HAHAHAHA!!!!!
I thought so too when I saw the marathon on TV land. Can anyone prove this with a screen capture?
Also, what was the name on the closing credits?

Another thing I found strange about the episode was that Michael (just like JJ in the second-season episode JJ Becomes A Man) was arrested for a crime he didn't commit, and the real criminal looked like someone completely different.

You know it was time for Good Times to throw in the towel...lol

HAHAHAHA!!!!!
I thought so too when I saw the marathon on TV land. Can anyone proves this with a screen capture?
Also, what was the name on the closing credits?

Another thing I found strange about the episode was that Michael (just like JJ in the second-season episode JJ Becomes A Man) was arrested for a crime he didn't commit, and the real criminal looked like someone completely different.

You know it was time for Good Times to throw in the towel...lol



The guy Michael was kissing wasn't listed in the closing credits

The guy Michael was kissing wasn't listed in the closing credits

Interesting......I do remember seeing an adam's apple

HAHAHAHA!!!!!
I thought so too when I saw the marathon on TV land. Can anyone prove this with a screen capture?
Also, what was the name on the closing credits?

Another thing I found strange about the episode was that Michael (just like JJ in the second-season episode JJ Becomes A Man) was arrested for a crime he didn't commit, and the real criminal looked like someone completely different.

You know it was time for Good Times to throw in the towel...lol
Irene already posted this abt Good Times referring to old episodes and rewriting them. NEXT... LOL

Link please.....

LMAO, If it were a guy I think it would have come out by now. Look at the big deal Ellen and Roseanne had to go through.

Evidently, it was probably his boyfriend at the time who he was kissing.So they had the other one dress up as a girl.Ralph's boyfriend was probably the jealous type.. I don't want no one kissing you but me!!

LMAO, If it were a guy I think it would have come out by now. Look at the big deal Ellen and Roseanne had to go through.
I'm with you Brieannas!!!!

In the episode a Friend in Need where they were having a party Michael was kissing a girl Yevone. I know for sure she was a girl. She was in a previous episode. I'm sure that was a guy in drag in the episode you are talking about.

I can't believe that this topic is still being discussed.

I can't believe that this topic is still being discussed.


Well Brieannas, it was a ODD thing to see on a sitcom, you have to admit.

In the episode a Friend in Need where they were having a party Michael was kissing a girl Yevone. I know for sure she was a girl. She was in a previous episode. I'm sure that was a guy in drag in the episode you are talking about.


That must have been very hard for him-lol

Yeah, Well I don't believe that it was a man in drag. I'm an adult I'm not 12

Yeah, Well I don't believe that it was a man in drag. I'm an adult I'm not 12
:clap :clap :clap :rock: :mango

I can't believe these people believe that too. Do you really think in this day and age that something like that would go undedected??? How could anyone make a judgment call like that on a scene with a person that appeared very very briefly, split seconds??? I have seen bad wigs on people, masculine looking hands on women, etc. Doesn't mean a thing. please don't answer my post. Just rhetorical questions. OMG, let's get a new thread on here. Pleeeeeeeeeze!!!!!! :p :p :p :cool: