Does anyone know the case of Michael Martin who was convicted of robbing a gas station? What state did this crime happen in? I was thinking of going to a department of corrections website and typing his name on an offender locator. Also were there any updates in the case of Glen Consagra and Michael Lloyd Self? I can't find anything on them on the internet. I know Jeffrey Macdonald attended a parole hearing this month and a denial of parole was recommended. It's up to the U.S parole commission to decide his fate and they usually don't overturn a hearing examiner's recommendation. The good news is that Larry Race was released last monday after serving 22 years in prison. I believe he is innocent. Surprisingly Tommy Ziegler and Darlie Routier are still on Death Row. The most sad case was the case of the case of one of two black twins who claimed he was innocent. I don't remember their names. The twin claimed his identical brother was responsible for the robbery he was convicted of. They even appeared on Geraldo. Sadly he's still in prison. I looked him up on the North Carolina department of corrections several months ago. I typed in his name and found he out he is still incarcerated. The music at the end of that episode was creepy. So were Robert Stack's last words. "Is it him or the other one". I obviously don't remember the exact words. Sorry for the long post. Does anybody know whether an update was mentioned on the case of Michael Lloyd Self and Glen Consagra? If you do know please reply. Finally what state did Michael Martin live in?

Hi george,

You are new to this board so I'll give you the skinny on a few things a lot of the people who have been posting here for awhile (Kane, crystaldawn, myself) if we have information on the cases we usually follow up quickly with replies but the fact is a lot of the cases on UM are "cold cases" which mean that a lot of them don't have any recent developments to report. In the case of FINAL APPEALS it is very very hard to get off of death row once you are put on it.

I do agree at least the case of Jeff McDonald deserves another look as I feel he is an innocent man but that is just my opinion. The cases you mentioned likely were not updated on UM so we don't have any info on them beyond what we can google.

Which brings me to my next point - Google is a great frame of reference for a lot of the regulars here and it's where we get most of our information. It's not as if we call up the precincts and ask for updates on various cases. There are a lot of cases I would love to know if there are updates on (Jennifer Pratt for one) but in most cases (except when concerning Missing Persons which the DOE NETWORK comes in very handy to see who is still missing) we just search em on google and share the information with you here if we pull something up. Sadly in a lot of cases (especially the older cases from the 80s-early 90s which we all love) the cases at times were very regional in nature and never made nation-wide headlines so you would have trouble locating an update in the case even if there was one. You might want to try a search yourself. Also a lot of the folks you mentioned like Jeff or Darlie have websites run by friends & family devoted to getting them freed so they would be the first to have updates on the case. Believe me in the case of Jeff McDonald if he ever gets released from prison that story was pretty big news in its heyday so I'm sure we'd all know about his release as soon as it happened.

Later.

I did search the internet for info on the cases you mentioned but couldn't find anything. I believe most of them have already exhausted all legal avenues (thats why they're on "Final Appeal") so unless some major evidence was uncovered in their favor they will remain in prison. I will let you know if I find out any info.

Do you happen to know what prison any of them are in? That might be another avenue to search.

I've brought up the Glen Consogra case before and from what other forum members have said he is still in a Florida prison. We all seemed to think he is guilty as hell too. Michael Martin case I brought up too but I don't think I got any replies. I believe he too is guilty.

Hi folks,

One thing that always bothered me with the Martin case...how could those witnesses - who all claimed that Martin was with them during the exact time of the robbery - have their testimony thrown out of court? Why? No explanation was ever given in the segment and to me that's a huge part of the mystery. Does anyone know why their testimonies were overlooked? They all appeared credible but then again, there are always two sides to any story.

A puzzling case..that's for sure.

jeeps

Thanks for the info. I would assume that Michael Martin was released for good behavior. He already served 30 years in prison. I tried searching google but there isn't a single thing on Michael Martin. I can't even find out what happened to Michael Lloyd Self. Jeffrey Macdonald was mentioned in the news a few weeks ago. A denial of parole was recommended. He will never get out of prison. Darlie Routier will probably be executed in several years. On the bright side Larry Race was released from prison last week.

Sadly, I agree Jeffrey MacDonald will never get out of prison. That case was too high profile, aided by the sensationalized fiction book by Joe McGinniss, to allow a parole board to release him. You had several victims including children so conservatism will rule in regard to release. Parole is often determined by expression of remorse and no way MacDonald qualifies since he has always robustly maintained his innocence. A new trial is the only possibility and that's a longshot after more than two decades. The group of hippies who committed the murders are long since dead for the most part, especially the main characters like Helena Stoekley or whatever her name was.

What galls me is how an arbitrary verdict by 12 people determines the supposed truth. The History Channel runs a program on doctors who killed and includes a segment on Jeffrey MacDonald. At the end the moderator flat out states, "Jeffrey MacDonald murdered his wife and children..." instead of saying he was convicted but serious doubt remains. Likewise, here in Las Vegas we had a second trial on the Binion murder which ended in acquittal on the murder charges, and within a few months Sandy Murphy shows up on Larry King being treated like a wronged young lady who served time for something she didn't do, sent away by supposed misleading expert testimony by Dr. Michael Baden. I watched both trials and Murphy and Rick Tabish are guilty as sin. Baden got it right. I would bet my life on it. The original jury foreman was furious at the second verdict but now history will consider them innocent.

awsi dooger, i can't agree with you more. i've followed dr. baden's cases and work for nearly two decades. he is without a doubt the best at what he does. its highly suspiciuos that after years of work that all of a sudden baden has no clue what's going on in this case. what's even more amazing -a case of clear guilt gets retried virtually instantly being tried the first time...and to add insult to injury their both cleared on charges that clearly only pointed to murphy and tabish. on the other hand a case like mcdonald's were other people have come forward and confessed to the crime, along with the fact mcdonald had no business of being found guilty in the first place based on some "very questionably" evidence to begin with. mcdonald can't even get a sniff of a new trial after almost 25 years. go figure!!!!

BuffaloBill, I agree with you more than you agree with me. Especially your point about where the evidence leads. Remarkable. There was tons of evidence of the intruders in the MacDonald case. Not just the confessions. Also a long blonde wig fiber(s) that the prosecution illegally suppressed. There were even sightings of a hippie group matching MacDonald's description of them. I think one of the sightings came from a police officer or military man. If MacDonald just made it all up there shouldn't be any evidence. Plus, look at it this way: if you're inventing a story you would never come up with a crazy large group as the perpretators. You pick out one or two generic persons, like the black guy wearing the stocking over his head like Susan Smith claimed kidnapped her sons after taking her car. That was believable. If you make up a large disjointed group there's no way anyone will claim to have seen them, unless they were actually there a la the MacDonald case.

Murphy and Tabish got plain lucky. Judge Bonaventure is somewhat pro prosecution based on the trials I've seen and his rulings seem to be more intent on letting everything in and getting the trial over with, than he worries about grounds for reversal on appeal. I must admit in the first trial I didn't understand why he let the construction pit charges against Tabish blend in with the murder case. That's why the Nevada Supreme Court ordered a new trial, by one vote. Also, the original prosecutors moved on after the first trial. David Roger is now District Attorney here and David Wall is a judge. They were superb, especially David Wall. The second trial featured young prosecutors who were technically good but they didn't defend Baden's testimony very well or put the defense expert witnesses constantly on the defensive like Roger and Wall did, even with Ceril Wecht.

I believe Murphy and Tabish are innocent. Ted Binion was a major drug addict. He accidentally killed himself with heroin. I'm glad Murphy and Tabish were found innocent.

I thought there was supposed to be some DNA testing this year in the Jeffrey MacDonald case that could either get him a new trial or exonerate him, no?

The lab workers are still working on the DNA tests. They might be finished by the end of the year.

It's interesting how most posters here believe in Jeffrey MacDonald's innocence. However, the posters on the A&E board overwhelmingly believe he's guilty and they make a strong argument.

I think Jeffrey MacDonald is guilty as all get out.

I believe Murphy and Tabish are innocent. Ted Binion was a major drug addict. He accidentally killed himself with heroin. I'm glad Murphy and Tabish were found innocent.

I watched both trials and if they're innocent then every feasible coincidence lined up to scream toward their guilt.

On the day before Ted Binion died, Sandy Murphy told the maid not to come to work the next day, completely unprecedented. When the gardener showed up to do the lawn, the curtains of the house were immediately closed, the first time he had ever seen that. Murphy and Tabish always called each other repeatedly on cell phones. The prosecution demonstrated the calls were extremely frequent except when Murphy and Tabish were together. On the day of Binion's death the calls were nonexistent except for immediately preceding Sandy Murphy's frantic 911 call when she supposedly found Binion's body. At midday Murphy answered the phone and Binion's real estate agent wanted to talk to Ted or come to the house. Murphy rambled through every conceivable excuse why Binion couldn't come to the phone, and wouldn't allow the woman to visit the home.

There was testimony from Tabish's friend from Montana that Tabish solicited him and offered $100,000 to kill a wealthy casino owner from Las Vegas. Tabish mentioned the guy was a heavy drug user and it would be simple to give him drugs and make it look like an accidental overdose. The friend, Kurt Gratzer, was smart enough to tell several people about Tabish's offer and scheme, long before Binion died. He even contacted a pharmacist and asked about the amount of the specific drugs Tabish mentioned it would take to kill someone. When Gratzer read about Binion's death, he talked to Tabish about it the next time he saw him in Montana. It wasn't confrontational, but along the tone of their friendship. Something to the effect of, "You SOB, you went ahead and did it, didn't you? How did you pull it off?" Tabish reportedly smiled and said, "Xanax" before driving away.

I could go on and on. They are stone guilty.

Well the jury decided otherwise.

It wouldn't be the first time that guilty persons were found innocent but what can you do? I guess they got away with the perfect crime..