I want to see the the Entrie Ratings for this season not just total viewers overall Ratings too

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,272|||season,00.html

1. CSI
2. American Idol Tuesday
3. American Idol Wednesday
4. Desperate Housewives
5. CSI: Miami
6. Without a Trace
7. Survivor: Palau(Winter-Spring)
8. Survivor: Vanuatu(Fall only)
9. Grey's Anatomy(since Late March)
10. Everybody Loves Raymond

yay CSI!

nice to see CSI reclaiming #1, but I'm disapointed that DH could only be #4, when it should've been #2

nice to see CSI reclaiming #1, but I'm disapointed that DH could only be #4, when it should've been #2
Damn AI. :mumble:

In terms of total viewers:

1. American Idol Tuesday
2. CSI
3. American Idol Wednesday
4. Desperate Housewives
5. Survivor: Palau

nice to see CSI reclaiming #1, but I'm disapointed that DH could only be #4, when it should've been #2

:nod: I agree, DH should be #2 since it was on a whole season unlike AI :mad:

Going by the DH logic, it should have been even further down the list since it didn't air repeats at all.

Going by the DH logic, it should have been even further down the list since it didn't air repeats at all.

It aired one... on March 20th.

It aired one... on March 20th.

I thought they aired a few Sunday repeats :confused:

DH has aired a ton of reruns

I thought they aired a few Sunday repeats :confused:

Yes... but at 10pm. The ratings only reflect the regular timeslot 9pm airings.

Saturday repeats don't count either.

(If they did, it would drop DH down the list quite a bit).

If DH would have ran 7 repeats in its regular slot and averaged 13 million viewers (like the one repeat did), it's season average would have dropped from 23.7 million to 21.3 million.

That is why Lost isn't as high, but still in the top 10-15. ABC aired a ton of repeats in that slot. I wonder what its ratings are for original episodes?

When will we get the official top 30 ratings?

The Hollywood Reporter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/television/feature_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000937471) has a list entitled "Final Ratings and Audience Figures" up at their website. It is part of their 2004-2005 wrapup. You can also see a listing of special events, sports and movies on TV (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/television/feature_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000938516) as well as the Top Ten in various demographics (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/television/feature_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000937481).

Lost's avergae for new episodes is 18 million viewers, compared to 16 in the final ratings.

I personally think that reality shows should be counted as specials as opposed to "regular programming", because reality shows DON'T REPEAT. Shows like Housewives and Lost have the advantage over reality shows that people will be willing to watch the episodes a second time, albeit in smaller numbers than in the original airing. So it's really not fair that shows like American Idol and Survivor, which is all new episodes every season are pitted against other programs that actually make it in repeats.

Of course, now that Reality's been around for about five years, people are beginning to realize what a mistake it was putting all their money and effort on those shows, considering they can't sell American Idol episodes into syndication, etc...

I personally think that reality shows should be counted as specials as opposed to "regular programming", because reality shows DON'T REPEAT. Shows like Housewives and Lost have the advantage over reality shows that people will be willing to watch the episodes a second time, albeit in smaller numbers than in the original airing. So it's really not fair that shows like American Idol and Survivor, which is all new episodes every season are pitted against other programs that actually make it in repeats.

Of course, now that Reality's been around for about five years, people are beginning to realize what a mistake it was putting all their money and effort on those shows, considering they can't sell American Idol episodes into syndication, etc...

That's a good point. I have a hard time re-watching Survivor(which is right up there with DH in terms of likability) but I can watch an episode of DH multiple times. I still when I get bored watch old episodes(from November/December) and even though all the mysteries are solved, it's still as interesting as it was when I first saw them.

Woah. NBC cancelled "Law & Order: Trial By Jury" and it was a top 35 show.

Another interesting thing to note, aside from Everybody Loves Raymond and Two & A Half Men.... Joey was the only sitcom to place in the Top 40. And that's where it is -- 40.

Ouch. Next year looks to be the weakest ever in terms of sitcoms.

Woah. NBC cancelled "Law & Order: Trial By Jury" and it was a top 35 show.

Another interesting thing to note, aside from Everybody Loves Raymond and Two & A Half Men.... Joey was the only sitcom to place in the Top 40. And that's where it is -- 40.

Ouch. Next year looks to be the weakest ever in terms of sitcoms.

Joey was only averaging, what, 12 million viewers a week?

Of course, it was against Survivor, so that's not bad.

It would be nice if next season their was a breakout sitcom like what happened with the dramas this season.

BTW cancelling TBJ was stupid.

Joey was only averaging, what, 12 million viewers a week?

Of course, it was against Survivor, so that's not bad.


I defintely don;t see Joey going beyond the 2005-06 season. Next season will defintely be the last

10.2 million for Joey, and much of that was early on. Later on it was well below 10.2 million. I think next season looks pretty good for sitcoms, some promising ones, well except for NBC who again will only go with 4.

So why was L&O: TBJ canceled? Because it mostly was last in its time slot for adults 18-49. It was #59 in that for the season.

10.2 million for Joey, and much of that was early on. Later on it was well below 10.2 million. I think next season looks pretty good for sitcoms, some promising ones, well except for NBC who again will only go with 4.

So why was L&O: TBJ canceled? Because it mostly was last in its time slot for adults 18-49. It was #59 in that for the season.



Well I'm afraid Joey will not make the 2nd season of next year. I see a Cancellation before 2006. They better have some guest apperances quick from the Friends Cast Members-lol

Wow, Charmed is 132nd, tied with Britney Spears reality show. I didn't realize things were THAT bad. What I Like About You is 148th :(

132nd would be bad for any network...except WB or UPN. There's just a lower, overall, set of expectations that come from those two networks.

Ouch 8 Simple Rules is #90. Well, the Friday slot is part of the reason.

132nd would be bad for any network...except WB or UPN. There's just a lower, overall, set of expectations that come from those two networks.
yeah, I thought that as well, but if 7th Heaven can be at 103, I think Charmed should be up higher too. Hopefully the ratings will pick up next season.

Ouch 8 Simple Rules is #90. Well, the Friday slot is part of the reason.


#90 is very Low for a ABC show which tells you why it was AXED.

I've been looking at the list and What I Like About You is 148 and Summerland is 137. I wonder why Summerland was cancelled and WILAY renewed.

I've been looking at the list and What I Like About You is 148 and Summerland is 137. I wonder why Summerland was cancelled and WILAY renewed.

I think Jesse McCartney's career is why Summerland ended. He is pretty popular right now and he probably doesn't want to do a weekly series.

However, it is funny that WB cancelled the show, after making it out like it was their hottest show week after week.

I am surprised Veronica Mars is the lowest rated series on the UPN. Besides Top Model, it's the ONLY UPN show I ever hear anybody talking about.

I've actually never seen an episode but look forward to the DVD. Even tho I know that if you despise cult TV and only like tv shows that score Raymond and Friends ratings, it's not for you.

another thing I don't get.

I never watched the show and I'm not a Wings fan, but "Eyes". ABC cancelled it and didn't even bother to burn off the remaining unaired episodes, but... it actually ranked higher than That 70's Show, a series that Fox dumbfoundedly decided to renew despite it's two most visible stars exiting.

The 18-49 thing kinda surprises me. I had no idea that 18-49 year olds shunned CSI so much. I could see 18-30 year olds maybe, but 30-49?

Same with Veronica Mars, it ranked LOWER with 18-49 year olds than it did alltogether, so you're telling me over-50's are the biggest market for this show?

Kinda nice to see that 7th Heaven ISN'T the #1 WB show in 18-49 markets, that it's tied with #3 with One Tree Hill behind Gilmore Girls and Smallville.

That's hard to believe, my brother is 35 and CSI is his favorite show :)

another surprise is American Dad ranking higher than Family Guy, or does Fox count the premiere after the Super Bowl?

#90 is very Low for a ABC show which tells you why it was AXED.
And #94 "Less than Perfect" tell's you why it was what? Renewed?

And #94 "Less than Perfect" tell's you why it was what? Renewed?

this little "verses" war 8SR have towards LTP is already as tired of the Mariah vs. J. Lo war.

And #94 "Less than Perfect" tell's you why it was what? Renewed?



Maybe ABC felt that LTP could get better and that 8SR couldn't. Ever thought about that?

Maybe ABC felt that LTP could get better and that 8SR couldn't. Ever thought about that?

Thats probably exactly why. LTP is headed in a certain direction, 8SR is all over the place -- and is doomed when the girls go off to college.

The kids were too old when the show started for it to have any staying power, even if John Ritter were still alive.

Thats probably exactly why. LTP is headed in a certain direction, 8SR is all over the place -- and is doomed when the girls go off to college.

The kids were too old when the show started for it to have any staying power, even if John Ritter were still alive.



I couldn't believe the Short Daughter was in her 20's in real life.

I couldn't believe the Short Daughter was in her 20's in real life.

:eek:

I couldn't believe the Short Daughter was in her 20's in real life.
A lot of shows do that though. Henry Winkler was in his 30's when he was still doing Happy Days.

this little "verses" war 8SR have towards LTP is already as tired of the Mariah vs. J. Lo war.

:yeahthat

Maybe ABC felt that LTP could get better and that 8SR couldn't. Ever thought about that?

That's a possibility, IMO LTP never got bad, it was always good, so basically it hasn't "jumped the shark", maybe ABC is seeing it's potential(and I'm giving ABC alot of credit saying that) ;)

another surprise is American Dad ranking higher than Family Guy, or does Fox count the premiere after the Super Bowl?

It shouldn't... because that was not it's normal timeslot. I believe it didn't air until almost 11pm Eastern time.

I think Jesse McCartney's career is why Summerland ended. He is pretty popular right now and he probably doesn't want to do a weekly series.

However, it is funny that WB cancelled the show, after making it out like it was their hottest show week after week.
I agree.

this little "verses" war 8SR have towards LTP is already as tired of the Mariah vs. J. Lo war.

I'm not talking about the war, just people saying the ONLY reason 8SR was axed is ratings :mad:

I'm not talking about the war, just people saying the ONLY reason 8SR was axed is ratings :mad:

It was axed because bad ratings, and it was headed nowhere but down. LTP has kept around the same number of viewers. 8SR has declined yearly.

It was axed because bad ratings, and it was headed nowhere but down. LTP has kept around the same number of viewers. 8SR has declined yearly.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. :lol:

A ton of people flocked to 8SR after John Ritter died, but left in droves in every episode after.

Pav said it was axed because it would be too hard to air in syndication with one episode with John, then episodes with David and James. I guess it would be too confusing for new viewers(read the Reasons 8SR was cancelled thread at the 8SR board)

Pav said it was axed because it would be too hard to air in syndication with one episode with John, then episodes with David and James. I guess it would be too confusing for new viewers(read the Reasons 8SR was cancelled thread at the 8SR board)

I don't get it... everyone who has followed TV in the last many years knows John Ritter died. It was all over every news organization for days.

Maybe in 20 years it'll be confusing to the young crowd(who aren't born til after he died), but it probably won't even be in syndication then.

It was axed because bad ratings, and it was headed nowhere but down. LTP has kept around the same number of viewers. 8SR has declined yearly.
Ofcourse 8SR has declined, it has lost John Ritter and moved to a worse night.
It was achieving better than it did Post-Ritter during Season 2, and still beats LTP - It built up ground during this season and held its ratings, LTP has been consistently low.

Networks would rather have a show that has consistent ratings each season(yes even if they're low) than a show that's ratings drops each season

Ofcourse 8SR has declined, it has lost John Ritter and moved to a worse night.
It was achieving better than it did Post-Ritter during Season 2, and still beats LTP - It built up ground during this season and held its ratings, LTP has been consistently low.

It's cancelled, get over it.

It's cancelled, get over it.
I'm not annoyed its cancelled, more that people here blame everything on ratings. Head over to the 8SR board and read Pavan's explanation of cancellation or stop blaming everything on ratings.

Pav said it was axed because it would be too hard to air in syndication with one episode with John, then episodes with David and James. I guess it would be too confusing for new viewers(read the Reasons 8SR was cancelled thread at the 8SR board)

well, I know situational it was different as Ritter died (as opposed to someone opting out of the show). But I don't think seeing Ritter episodes in syndication then Garner/Spade episodes would be that much different than seeing a Diane episode followed by a Rebecca episode of Cheers, or a Prue episode followed by a Paige episode of Charmed, or even when it comes to John Ritter: a Chrissie episode followed by a Cindy or Terri episode of Three's Company.

another thing I don't get.

I never watched the show and I'm not a Wings fan, but "Eyes". ABC cancelled it and didn't even bother to burn off the remaining unaired episodes, but... it actually ranked higher than That 70's Show, a series that Fox dumbfoundedly decided to renew despite it's two most visible stars exiting.

Because the execs at ABC are morons. They saw that it didn't achieve DH, Lost, or Grey's Anatomy ratings and canned it. Had it debuted, say, 03-04 season, or on another network, it'd probably still be around. I think that is just so shallow of ABC. I think they really are scared of success.

Wow, Charmed is 132nd, tied with Britney Spears reality show.

That's embarrassing. Tying with Britney is BAD.

There are also things were don't know about the cancellation, and I would bet that a big part of it hinged on cast salaries. James Garner has to be earning big bucks, and I'm sure David Spade and Katey Segal were not that far behind. LTP doesn't have anybody like that in their cast.

At any rate, I could care less. I found the show to be too teen centric and wouldn't have watched it anyway.

There are also things were don't know about the cancellation, and I would bet that a big part of it hinged on cast salaries. James Garner has to be earning big bucks, and I'm sure David Spade and Katey Segal were not that far behind. LTP doesn't have anybody like that in their cast.

At any rate, I could care less. I found the show to be too teen centric and wouldn't have watched it anyway.

I don't think salary was an issue. John Ritter was making less than a 100K per episode (30K I think) when he was on and certainly Garner and Spade wouldn't get even that. That tells you a lot about Ritter, he wasn't after money.

Final numbers for the season (Sept 20 - May 25):

-Households:
CBS: 8.4/14 (no change), ABC: 6.5/11 (+10), NBC: 6.5/11 (-11), Fox: 6.1/10 (no change), UPN: 2.3/ 4 (no change), WB: 2.2/ 4 (- 8)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 12.92 million (- 1), ABC: 10.05 (+11), Fox: 10.04 (+ 3), NBC: 9.78 (-12), UPN: 3.35 (- 1), WB: 3.35 (- 8)

-Adults 18-49:
Fox: 4.1/11 (no change), CBS: 4.0/11 (+ 3), ABC: 3.7/10 (+16), NBC: 3.5/ 9 (-17), UPN: 1.4/ 4 (no change), WB: 1.4/ 4 (- 7)

-Adults 18-34:
Fox: 3.8/12 (- 5), ABC: 3.0/ 9 (+15), CBS: 2.9/ 9 (+ 7), NBC: 2.9/ 9 (-19), WB: 1.5/ 4 (- 6), UPN: 1.4/ 4 (no change)

-Adults 25-54:
CBS: 4.9/12 (no change), ABC: 4.3/10 (+13), Fox: 4.3/10 (+ 2), NBC: 4.2/10 (-12), UPN: 1.4/ 3 (no change), WB: 1.4/ 3 (- 7)


NBC is trash! And FOX is only even close in total viewers because of the Super Bowl. That is the only reason they won in adults 18-49 too, or CBS would have slightly won that.

ABC is officially back from the dead and NBC is dying.

FOX is nothing without Idol(they don't have the Super Bowl next year)

NBC will be second next year in adults and viewers, bumping ABC or Fox to third and fourth. Why? The Olympics.

Actually, if you count only regular programming from this season, NBC was number 2, Fox boosted by the Super Bowl and baseball, and ABC by college football/NFL playoffs. Next season is going to be pretty wild, especially if ABC has more series that click, NBC has the Olympics, and CBS is, well, CBS. I really see ABC and NBC in a very tight race for second.

I'm still going with Fox taking the crown in adults 18-49. Without the Superbowl, Fox averaged a 3.85 rating. If they can show 20% gains in the fall (which is quite possible considering the dumpster they were in last fall), Fox could very well take it again. CBS is not likely to go anywhere as it's rebuilding somewhat (it's taking a big leap on Fridays that could backfire and Mondays will take a slight hit sans ELR). I see ABC with modest gains in the 5 to 10% range (it does have the Superbowl) Fox flat or up slightly, CBS flat or down slightly and NBC up 5-15% thanks to the Olympics, the UPN up 5-10% (moving WWE Smackdown to Fridays is genious and the industry sees Everybody Hates Chris actually beating Joey in adults. There was even a rumour that CBS would swipe it if it does really well) and the WB flat or down.

The wildcard is the Olympics. If they do really well, NBC is back in the game. If they don't, NBC is still up overall. The other networks are going to take a hit in February because they will be airing mostly repeats in what is traditionally the highest rated month of the year. So it's unpredictable, really.

Network TV in general is going to have a very good year next season.

Except for The Olympics NBC doesn't have much. Their new series don't look to good and their old series are getting older. I only watch 4 shows on NBC and 2 of them are Law And Order series.

I don't think salary was an issue. John Ritter was making less than a 100K per episode (30K I think) when he was on and certainly Garner and Spade wouldn't get even that. That tells you a lot about Ritter, he wasn't after money.

Ritter was only making 30k an episode?!!??!? That's a shame, 30k was standard in 1982, but 2002? That's kinda sad a TV legend like him was only making 30k when the Friends were making 1 million an episode, and Kelsey Grammar and Ray Romano were making even more than that. When I think 30,000 for a tv show, I picture a supporting character on a minor show, not someone who was on a classic like Three's Company and also had some success on the big screen.

That's amazing about Ritter... that's MUCH MUCH lower than I was expecting. It was 2002 afterall.

The wildcard is the Olympics. If they do really well, NBC is back in the game. If they don't, NBC is still up overall. The other networks are going to take a hit in February because they will be airing mostly repeats in what is traditionally the highest rated month of the year. So it's unpredictable, really.

The Olympics always do well don't they? Certainly if the other networks air repeats they will rule.

I wonder if ABC will run their "hits" against the Olympics? Lost and DH plus any others they have next season.

Nobody will run any shows against the Olympics, it just doesn't make sense. "DH" might attract 15-20 million viewers, but the continuity will be lost for the other 10-15 million who will be watching the show next season, and could impact ratings down the road. It also makes sense for the network to save those shows for the other months when ABC will be able to make big bucks from advertizing, rather than below average returns opposite the Olympics, and then air repeats later on.

The Olympics are touch and go. They will average 25 million viewers at least, like the games in SLC in 2002, but the 1994 Olympics in Lillehamer averaged more than 50 million (of course, the Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan drama was a big part of that). Telecasts from the 1994 Olympics actually rank in the top 50 broadcasts of all time, higher than almost all of the Superbowls.

On NBC, they can't do a whole lot worse than they're already doing, the iffy slots at Mondays at 8pm, Tuesdays were a disaster this season and anything will be an improvement, Wednesday 8-10pm (which was not that great this season), Thursday 8-9pm (which probably went as low as it will in the spring of this season). Friday is the huge wild card, if it's a disaster a la Miss Match/Dateline/Boomtown from 2003/2004, NBC really has nothing to come back with. That season it stuck in Third Watch and did okay. It literally has nothing to fall back on next season. That's why it was so stupid to cancel Trial By Jury.

Looks like Season 8 will be the end for Will & Grace. Megan Mullally's talk show is a 95% go. I guess they could go on, but Will & Grace without Karen would be one sad, sad show.
http://www.nbcumv.com/release_detail.nbc/nbcuniversaltelevisiondistribution-2005531114416-meganmullallysigns.html

Yeah... I really don't think NBC can get much worse. Cancelling TBJ was pretty dumb though(sure... it was getting 2nd behind CBS, but what's not to say that this new show won't be in 3RD behind CBS AND ABC?)

Ritter was only making 30k an episode?!!??!? That's a shame, 30k was standard in 1982, but 2002? That's kinda sad a TV legend like him was only making 30k when the Friends were making 1 million an episode, and Kelsey Grammar and Ray Romano were making even more than that. When I think 30,000 for a tv show, I picture a supporting character on a minor show, not someone who was on a classic like Three's Company and also had some success on the big screen.
and yet in hindsight, still much, much, much more than 99.9% of actors are worth. More in one week than many people make in one year is ridiculous.

We must remember as well that Ritter wasn't exactely a hot property in the decade before 8 Simple Rules premiered. That show brought him back to a lot of people's
consciousnesses, but where he only did the first season, he was unfortunately unable to capitalize on that.

We must remember as well that Ritter wasn't exactely a hot property in the decade before 8 Simple Rules premiered. That show brought him back to a lot of people's
consciousnesses, but where he only did the first season, he was unfortunately unable to capitalize on that.

Disagree. John was guest starring on numerous shows in the 90s and was critically acclaimed in many movies (Sling Blade, Panic). John never had a period where he was never working. He was highly sought after.

Disagree. John was guest starring on numerous shows in the 90s and was critically acclaimed in many movies (Sling Blade, Panic). John never had a period where he was never working. He was highly sought after.
Yea it wasn't like when Redd Foxx attempted his comeback with The Royal Family.