View Full Version : All In the Family/Jeffersons Opening Credits compared to Maude Opening Credits


TVFactFan
05-19-2005, 10:57 AM
We all know that Maude was based in surburban NY while the Jeffersons and All in the Family were based in NYC. But some odd reason, as soon as the opening credits for Maude is about to roll, there is a close up shot of the Empire State Building. On the other hand, the empire state building is barley visible in the opening credits of the two NYC based sitcoms-All in the Family and the Jeffersons-lol I think this maybe the only sitcom that featured Manhattan and was not based in NYC. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

boechsner
05-20-2005, 04:24 PM
I think the opening credits emphasize the fact that Maude takes place in the suburbs of New York City. They take you from the Empire State Building to the bridges exiting off to the suburbs. That simple.

TripperFan
05-20-2005, 10:43 PM
:yeahthat

I think Maude started just before the WTC was built, so outside of Lady Liberty, people always associate the Empire State Bldg. with NYC - and as he said, that gives more of the idea of heading to the 'burbs with the bridges. I don't think she was that far out of the city though - not like Westchester or anything like that - they weren't that well off.

Pug Lover
08-23-2005, 06:59 PM
It's actually the Chrysler building we see at the beginning of Maude's openning credits.But we did see the Empire State Building at the beginning of the openning credits of Archie Bunker's Place.

TVFactFan
08-24-2005, 09:32 PM
It's actually the Chrysler building we see at the beginning of Maude's openning credits.But we did see the Empire State Building at the beginning of the openning credits of Archie Bunker's Place.



The fact that Maude has nothing at all to do with NYC, the Empire State Building shouldn't have been the first thing you see in the opening credits.

seventies_sitcoms
08-24-2005, 10:48 PM
The fact that Maude has nothing at all to do with NYC, the Empire State Building shouldn't have been the first thing you see in the opening credits.

Well, I saw an episode where Carol returned from shopping and she had a Bloomingdale's bag. Isn't that NYC enough? lol

ThomasE
04-26-2008, 02:07 PM
Well, I saw an episode where Carol returned from shopping and she had a Bloomingdale's bag. Isn't that NYC enough? lol


:lol: That is right. They went to NYC every now and again anyway. I think the concept was brilliant. You start your journey in the big city and then you segway to its outer suburbs.

As far as the Evan's go, Florida's commute could not have been bad at all. She took the bus to tuckahoe. I did a map direction search by typing a random street in Harlem, Manhattan( W 118th st) with the destination being tuckahoe, ny. In fair traffic, a person could get there in 27minutes and 13.5 miles dependt upon where they are going.

If Florida lived in the 200st areas, her commute to tuckahoe would have been around 8.5 miles and 18 minutes. You guys have to excuse me but I just love stuff like this.

Anyways, with all the being said, I see total justification for the NYC shots being used especially since the outerskirts were not that far distance wise.

TVFactFan
05-25-2008, 12:10 PM
:lol: That is right. They went to NYC every now and again anyway. I think the concept was brilliant. You start your journey in the big city and then you segway to its outer suburbs.

As far as the Evan's go, Florida's commute could not have been bad at all. She took the bus to tuckahoe. I did a map direction search by typing a random street in Harlem, Manhattan( W 118th st) with the destination being tuckahoe, ny. In fair traffic, a person could get there in 27minutes and 13.5 miles dependt upon where they are going.

If Florida lived in the 200st areas, her commute to tuckahoe would have been around 8.5 miles and 18 minutes. You guys have to excuse me but I just love stuff like this.

Anyways, with all the being said, I see total justification for the NYC shots being used especially since the outerskirts were not that far distance wise.



That's SHOPPING in NYC, has nothing to do with living there-lol Maybe the closing credits like All in the Family they could have had the NYC skyline but as the first video shot as soon as the credits start made it seem like Maude was in the heart of NYC

ThomasE
05-26-2008, 12:47 AM
That's SHOPPING in NYC, has nothing to do with living there-lol Maybe the closing credits like All in the Family they could have had the NYC skyline but as the first video shot as soon as the credits start made it seem like Maude was in the heart of NYC

No it didn't. It took you to a familiar starting point and then led you to where she was stationed or settled. The Bloomingdales shopping bag represents that NYC was nearby and that there was commuting. Stepping out of the NYC surburbs into NYC is all it really was. Oh, Solomon. :rolleyes: :D

TVFactFan
05-26-2008, 12:40 PM
No it didn't. It took you to a familiar starting point and then led you to where she was stationed or settled. The Bloomingdales shopping bag represents that NYC was nearby and that there was commuting. Stepping out of the NYC surburbs into NYC is all it really was. Oh, Solomon. :rolleyes: :D


It was nothing wrong the the shot of the Empire State building but it just would have fit better in the closing credits. Why not start the opening credits with the shot of the house that was used as Maude's house?

ThomasE
05-26-2008, 01:07 PM
No viewer would have known what major location she was near. To start at a place that is familiar and I see nothing wrong with that. It is a little cool journey. I loved the concept and it is brilliant.

TVFactFan
05-26-2008, 01:16 PM
No viewer would have known what major location she was near. To start at a place that is familiar and I see nothing wrong with that. It is a little cool journey. I loved the concept and it is brilliant.


I was just surprised they didn't follow the opening of AITF by starting out in the neighborhood she lived in

ChristinaV
10-22-2008, 10:05 AM
[QUOTE=ThomasE]:lol: That is right. They went to NYC every now and again anyway. I think the concept was brilliant. You start your journey in the big city and then you segway to its outer suburbs.

As far as the Evan's go, Florida's commute could not have been bad at all. She took the bus to tuckahoe. I did a map direction search by typing a random street in Harlem, Manhattan( W 118th st) with the destination being tuckahoe, ny. In fair traffic, a person could get there in 27minutes and 13.5 miles dependt upon where they are going.

If Florida lived in the 200st areas, her commute to tuckahoe would have been around 8.5 miles and 18 minutes. You guys have to excuse me but I just love stuff like this.

Thanks, ThomasE. This is fascinating! Helpful, too, as I have a few ideas for fan fiction stories in the works, and I need to know this kind of detail.

So, I also wonder if the streets mentioned occasionally in the show actually exist in Tuckahoe. Marshall--if I heard correctly--is where Walter's stor is located. Crenshaw is the street where their house is. :) Anyone know anything else? This should be its own thread...sorry!

TVFactFan
10-22-2008, 07:27 PM
[QUOTE=ThomasE]:lol: That is right. They went to NYC every now and again anyway. I think the concept was brilliant. You start your journey in the big city and then you segway to its outer suburbs.

As far as the Evan's go, Florida's commute could not have been bad at all. She took the bus to tuckahoe. I did a map direction search by typing a random street in Harlem, Manhattan( W 118th st) with the destination being tuckahoe, ny. In fair traffic, a person could get there in 27minutes and 13.5 miles dependt upon where they are going.

If Florida lived in the 200st areas, her commute to tuckahoe would have been around 8.5 miles and 18 minutes. You guys have to excuse me but I just love stuff like this.

Thanks, ThomasE. This is fascinating! Helpful, too, as I have a few ideas for fan fiction stories in the works, and I need to know this kind of detail.

So, I also wonder if the streets mentioned occasionally in the show actually exist in Tuckahoe. Marshall--if I heard correctly--is where Walter's stor is located. Crenshaw is the street where their house is. :) Anyone know anything else? This should be its own thread...sorry!



I don't think I ever heard the name of their streett mentioned, tells you much I watched Maude-lol

ThomasE
10-23-2008, 03:18 PM
[QUOTE=ThomasE]:lol: That is right. They went to NYC every now and again anyway. I think the concept was brilliant. You start your journey in the big city and then you segway to its outer suburbs.

As far as the Evan's go, Florida's commute could not have been bad at all. She took the bus to tuckahoe. I did a map direction search by typing a random street in Harlem, Manhattan( W 118th st) with the destination being tuckahoe, ny. In fair traffic, a person could get there in 27minutes and 13.5 miles dependt upon where they are going.

If Florida lived in the 200st areas, her commute to tuckahoe would have been around 8.5 miles and 18 minutes. You guys have to excuse me but I just love stuff like this.

Thanks, ThomasE. This is fascinating! Helpful, too, as I have a few ideas for fan fiction stories in the works, and I need to know this kind of detail.

So, I also wonder if the streets mentioned occasionally in the show actually exist in Tuckahoe. Marshall--if I heard correctly--is where Walter's stor is located. Crenshaw is the street where their house is. :) Anyone know anything else? This should be its own thread...sorry!

I tried doing a search but came up with no results. "Crenshaw" could have been a fictitous street? :confused: I want to hop on a bus from Harlem and take it into Tuckahoe just for fun.

TVFactFan
10-23-2008, 06:28 PM
[QUOTE=ChristinaV]

I tried doing a search but came up with no results. "Crenshaw" could have been a fictitous street? :confused: I want to hop on a bus from Harlem and take it into Tuckahoe just for fun.


What is the name of that Bridge in the Opening Credits?

ThomasE
10-24-2008, 01:30 AM
Solomander, I tried but sadly that bridge in the opening is G.W. I have been on that bridge a few times myself. I pulled up pics of the Tappan Zee bridge (the one that actually takes you to the suburbs) and hoped that was it but alas it wasn't. G.W. takes you into New Jersey. Error! Major error in the opening!

TVFactFan
10-24-2008, 01:38 AM
Solomander, I tried but sadly that bridge in the opening is G.W. I have been on that bridge a few times myself. I pulled up pics of the Tappan Zee bridge (the one that actually takes you to the suburbs) and hoped that was it but alas it wasn't. G.W. takes you into New Jersey. Error! Major error in the opening!


Major Error-lol I been on the GW bridge myself when going back and forth from Connecticut

ThomasE
10-24-2008, 02:31 AM
I hate when people pull mess like that. If it was Tappan Zee, then I could understand or simply taking the westside highway (9A) all the way up.

TVFactFan
10-24-2008, 02:33 AM
I hate when people pull mess like that. If it was Tappan Zee, then I could understand or simply taking the westside highway (9A) all the way up.


Sounds like Maude should have based in NYC-lol

ThomasE
10-24-2008, 02:21 PM
Sounds like Maude should have based in NYC-lol


Only you, Solomon. Only you. :rolleyes: :D :lol:

TVFactFan
10-24-2008, 06:59 PM
Only you, Solomon. Only you. :rolleyes: :D :lol:


Especially since the Empire State Building is the first thing you see as soon as the opening starts-lol

ChristinaV
10-27-2008, 04:16 AM
Well, is there some other reason they might have used this bridge in the opening. Is it more picturesque than the Tappan Zee, perhaps. :)

I guess they assumed that most of the viewers wouldn't know any better.

ThomasE
10-27-2008, 11:26 PM
I hear ya ChristineV but I would not have used that. In today's time that would not fly. Back then, they could get away with it but that is truly false. I actually drove the route yesterday via (9A) . I took 9A north just like the car was doing in the opening. I saw the bridge from afar like the car in the opening did. The only difference was that I passed by the bridge and did get on it. I did not drive through Tuckahoe though but went to Yonkers instead. You can take (9A) all the way to go to the town.

jimmo
05-20-2016, 11:46 PM
:yeahthat

I think Maude started just before the WTC was built, so outside of Lady Liberty, people always associate the Empire State Bldg. with NYC - and as he said, that gives more of the idea of heading to the 'burbs with the bridges. I don't think she was that far out of the city though - not like Westchester or anything like that - they weren't that well off.



Actually, "Maude Findlay" lived exactly in Westchester County, as the village of Tuckahoe is in the town of Eastchester, New York, which is located in Westchester County.

And Westchester County is only about a 35-45 minutes drive from Manhattan, depending upon traffic. I looked it up online, and there is even a commuter train stop in Eastchester.

And as far as "well-off" goes, the "Findlays" certainly were "well-off," if they could afford to have a maid (first "Florida Evans," then "Mrs. Nell Naugatuck," then "Victoria Butterfield").

I seem to recall the "Findlay" home was owned by "Maude" before she married "Walter Findlay," as "Maude Chadbourne" (maiden name) had been married four times, first to "Barney" (from whom "Maude" was widowed), then to "Chester" (from whom "Maude" was divorced), then to "Albert Hilliard" (who died and left "Maude" a second-time widow), and finally to "Walter." If "Maude" had inherited her "Tuckahoe" home, from either of her two husbands who died or her second husband in a divorce, chances are the mortgage was paid down substantially by then or even paid off by the time "Maude" and "Walter" married in 1968. In any case, with "Walter" having owned his own retail store, "Findlay's Friendly Appliances," chances are the "Findlays" were upper-middle class, very typical of residents in Westchester County.

Remember, too, "Rob and Laura Petrie:" of "The Dick Van Dyke Show" also lived in Westchester County, in the town of New Rochelle, NY, based on the reality of a younger television writer named Carl Reiner having lived in New Rochelle while writing for Sid Caesar in NBC-TV's "Your Show of Shows" in the early-to-mid 1950s

Jack77
12-08-2017, 04:32 AM
For everyone on this thread who keeps stating that is the Empire State Building in the opening shot. You are WRONG!
It is the Chrysler Building!!
So stop referring to it as the ESB!
Thank you...