Do you think its fair for a teacher to force a student who is harassed by her classmates every day,to go away on a school camp with those people? Just wondering,because my cousin doesn't get along with hardly anyone in her grade because they bully her,and she has to go on a camp next week,and she's really in distress over this,and has been losing sleep even,I dont think its fair for teachers to expect her to go on a camp with people who make her miserable,whether the camp is compulsory or not.
What does everyone else think?

That really sucks :(

And no, they shouldn't be forced.

Don't her parents have a say in this? :confused:

I agree - she shouldn't be forced.

I remember when I was in Brownies and had to go away for a weekend with the troupe. I got picked on all weekend and was just MISERABLE - they wouldn't even let me sleep. The worst part was that my parents were the last ones to come and pick me up too so I had to sit there listening to the kids pick on me the longest.

Its now thirty-something years later and I still remember the experience. Hopefully she'll get out of it. She should have her parents speak to someone at the school.

Tell her she has a cough coming on... cough cough ;)


I hardly went on any of my seventh grade feild trips. I didn't feel like being cooped up in buses with loads of people I disliked. So- I developed a cold... what a coincidence. lol

No she shouldn't be forced to go. Nobody should be forced to go anywhere with people who bully them.

Have her parents call and say she won't be going. I wouldn't want to go if people bullied me. Maybye she can transfer schools also. I wish your cousin well.

i would kick that teacher's ass. if she doesn't want to go, she should REFUSE to go no matter what, and show the teacher how much she hates those kids and that she's not kidding. tell her to fight it and be stubborn about it no matter what the teachers say or do. if the teacher tries to FORCE her to go, let her tell her parents so they can stop it themselves. make me proud of her. nothing makes me happier than when people rebel against idiots like that.

Tell her she has a cough coming on... cough cough ;)


I hardly went on any of my seventh grade feild trips. I didn't feel like being cooped up in buses with loads of people I disliked. So- I developed a cold... what a coincidence. lol

:thumbsup: A convenient headache got me out of a lot of school crap.

Good grief, sounds like teachers I had in school. They weren't going through it, so why should they care? What a crock. :rolleyes:

In my opinion, she should not be forced to go along.

Are you sure she HAS to? Cause most trips have permission slips and stuff

Not only should she not be forced to go camping with her tormentors, the bullying issue should be dealt with in itself. Her parents and the school have to get together to start punishing the punks. If I was her mother, I'd be at the school raising the roof.

Not only should she not be forced to go camping with her tormentors, the bullying issue should be dealt with in itself. Her parents and the school have to get together to start punishing the punks. If I was her mother, I'd be at the school raising the roof.



What she said. That girl is entitled to an education without people harassing or bullying her. She should go to school feeling safe.

This reminds me of a not so pleasent experience that I had in the 6th grade. All the sixth grade classes took a three day trip to George Williams College in Wisconsin. We stayed two nights in their dorms and I ended up sharing a room with two of the biggest jerks in the entire sixth grade. It was bad enough that they were jerks to begin with, but they had it out for me because my mom was a student teacher in their classroom and they didn't like her. We were to be graded on a journal that we were supposed to keep. I kept the journal, but come Friday morning one or both of them had erased everything in my journal. I was never someone that normally really got picked on, but these two picked on me big time. I remember trying to stay up both nights because I was affraid what they might do to me if I feel asleep. Those were three of the most miserable days in my life.

This reminds me of a not so pleasent experience that I had in the 6th grade. All the sixth grade classes took a three day trip to George Williams College in Wisconsin. We stayed two nights in their dorms and I ended up sharing a room with two of the biggest jerks in the entire sixth grade. It was bad enough that they were jerks to begin with, but they had it out for me because my mom was a student teacher in their classroom and they didn't like her. We were to be graded on a journal that we were supposed to keep. I kept the journal, but come Friday morning one or both of them had erased everything in my journal. I was never someone that normally really got picked on, but these two picked on me big time. I remember trying to stay up both nights because I was affraid what they might do to me if I feel asleep. Those were three of the most miserable days in my life.
It sounds awful. :(

This reminds me of a not so pleasent experience that I had in the 6th grade. All the sixth grade classes took a three day trip to George Williams College in Wisconsin. We stayed two nights in their dorms and I ended up sharing a room with two of the biggest jerks in the entire sixth grade. It was bad enough that they were jerks to begin with, but they had it out for me because my mom was a student teacher in their classroom and they didn't like her. We were to be graded on a journal that we were supposed to keep. I kept the journal, but come Friday morning one or both of them had erased everything in my journal. I was never someone that normally really got picked on, but these two picked on me big time. I remember trying to stay up both nights because I was affraid what they might do to me if I feel asleep. Those were three of the most miserable days in my life.

Whoa, Michael. :(

I sure hope those jerks got what they deserved. :mad:

This reminds me of a not so pleasent experience that I had in the 6th grade. All the sixth grade classes took a three day trip to George Williams College in Wisconsin. We stayed two nights in their dorms and I ended up sharing a room with two of the biggest jerks in the entire sixth grade. It was bad enough that they were jerks to begin with, but they had it out for me because my mom was a student teacher in their classroom and they didn't like her. We were to be graded on a journal that we were supposed to keep. I kept the journal, but come Friday morning one or both of them had erased everything in my journal. I was never someone that normally really got picked on, but these two picked on me big time. I remember trying to stay up both nights because I was affraid what they might do to me if I feel asleep. Those were three of the most miserable days in my life.

Sounds Horrible ohno: I hated camp too, although it wasn't so much the people in my class as much as it was that the people at the camp didn't feed us enough, kookaburras kept swooping our food and it we weren't camping in bush or on grass, it was dust! And a bee flew into the shower while I was in there. :eek: So much screaming :p

Sounds Horrible ohno: I hated camp too, although it wasn't so much the people in my class as much as it was that the people at the camp didn't feed us enough, kookaburras kept swooping our food and it we weren't camping in bush or on grass, it was dust! And a bee flew into the shower while I was in there. :eek: So much screaming :p
and I thought Camp was supposed to be fun. :lol:

This reminds me of a not so pleasent experience that I had in the 6th grade. All the sixth grade classes took a three day trip to George Williams College in Wisconsin. We stayed two nights in their dorms and I ended up sharing a room with two of the biggest jerks in the entire sixth grade. It was bad enough that they were jerks to begin with, but they had it out for me because my mom was a student teacher in their classroom and they didn't like her. We were to be graded on a journal that we were supposed to keep. I kept the journal, but come Friday morning one or both of them had erased everything in my journal. I was never someone that normally really got picked on, but these two picked on me big time. I remember trying to stay up both nights because I was affraid what they might do to me if I feel asleep. Those were three of the most miserable days in my life.
god. that's a hell of a way to screw someone's grade over. i had people last year who made me suicidal and i can't imagine what i'd do if i were forced to spend three straight days with them. i definitely would have brought violence into it one way or another.

and I thought Camp was supposed to be fun. :lol:

:lol: You'd be surprised how many people at my school hated it.

Tell her she has a cough coming on... cough cough ;)


I hardly went on any of my seventh grade feild trips. I didn't feel like being cooped up in buses with loads of people I disliked. So- I developed a cold... what a coincidence. lol

Sounds like me with phys-ed!! I don't know how many colds, bouts of asthma, sprained ankles I had! :rolleyes: :lol:

This reminds me of a not so pleasent experience that I had in the 6th grade. All the sixth grade classes took a three day trip to George Williams College in Wisconsin. We stayed two nights in their dorms and I ended up sharing a room with two of the biggest jerks in the entire sixth grade. It was bad enough that they were jerks to begin with, but they had it out for me because my mom was a student teacher in their classroom and they didn't like her. We were to be graded on a journal that we were supposed to keep. I kept the journal, but come Friday morning one or both of them had erased everything in my journal. I was never someone that normally really got picked on, but these two picked on me big time. I remember trying to stay up both nights because I was affraid what they might do to me if I feel asleep. Those were three of the most miserable days in my life.


Sounds just like that weekend with my brownie troupe!! I wasn't normally one to be picked on either and couldn't understand where it was coming from or why. We all had to stay in the same dorm and there were about 4 of them doing it to me. Didn't sleep and if I cried, they only got worse. The troupe leaders did absolutely nothing - if anything, they triggered it by giving me hell for not eating my dinner on the Sat. night (they served spaghetti and meat sauce and I had gotten sick on it a year earlier and couldn't eat it). They tried to force me and when I was stubborn not to, that's when all the trouble started. I quit brownies as soon as I got home. I don't know why my parents never followed up on it since they had spent a ton of money on the uniform and everything else. (Actually as I recall even they got mad at me for quitting and wasting their money - wasn't my fault).

no

This makes me mad!!! I know how it feels to be bullied and teased all the time--especially when forced to!! Me and a few of my friends have hearing aids so we get teased all the time.

So I know how she feels about getting forced to go to camp with those bullies :(

This makes me mad!!! I know how it feels to be bullied and teased all the time--especially when forced to!! Me and a few of my friends have hearing aids so we get teased all the time.

So I know how she feels about getting forced to go to camp with those bullies :(


When they bug you about your hearing aid - just tell them you're a Cyberborg from Star Trek (like Seven of Nine) and if they keep bugging you, you'll assimilate them!!!

I don't understand kids that tease kids about things like that. Its not something you can help and besides, whenever I met kids that were a little different I used to think it was cool and wanted to know more about them.

That's me. I would rather learn some more about this person, instead of judging them right away.


For sure! And have you found that they're usually better people than the superficial jerks who judge people like them?

I've had a lot deeper and closer friendships with people like them because its based on more respect and admiration than just wanting to be considered "cool". I wasted so much time in school trying to run with the "popular" crowd! :rolleyes:

"popular" crowd! :rolleyes:

One of my best friends, who doesn't have hearing problems, says she wants to be popular too. I've always wanted to be popular, especially sience my sister Jasmine is so popular everywhere and usually gets the most attention when other kids are around us :(

I was teased through most of middle school and high school because I had a bad overbite, so I say no she shouldn't have to go on that trip, and I agree with Janice, her parents need to go down there and raise some heck as to why these kids are allowed to get away with bullying their daughter(and probably other kids as well) :mad:

One of my best friends, who doesn't have hearing problems, says she wants to be popular too. I've always wanted to be popular, especially sience my sister Jasmine is so popular everywhere and usually gets the most attention when other kids are around us :(


Well I hope she has a thick, tough skin then because when you do hang around with the popular kids, you have to be prepared that you're going to get cutup about your clothes (especially if they're not the latest, designer fads) and just about everything else. Here I thought these people were my friends, but would turn on me fast if other, "cooler" kids came along! I found I would do the same thing too. I didn't like who I had become with them.

It only lasts for each year anyway - and things completely change from middle school to high school. The people who were considered cool in middle school might be nobody's by high school standards. You really set yourself up for letdowns and hurt when you run with the "in" crowds - at school and at work.

It only lasts for each year anyway - and things completely change from middle school to high school. The people who were considered cool in middle school might be nobody's by high school standards. You really set yourself up for letdowns and hurt when you run with the "in" crowds - at school and at work.

I heard that happens alot.

It is better to be hated for what you are,
than loved for what you are not.
~Andre Gide
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I copied that from Max Whittaker's sig - it says it all!!


When you hang with the in crowd, you lose a lot of your scruples and become someone or something you're not from peer pressure.

Best to be yourself and love yourself for that!

I had a deaf friend when I was a kid. At first no one would play with her (I guess they either were afraid because they didn't know how to communicate with her or something). I got to know her and she taught me sign language - now THAT'S cool! The other kids would see us signing to each other and laughing, and I taught her some words and next thing you know, they're wanting to play with us now. Just needed to break down that barrier. I thought she was really cool because of the signing and the other kids followed after. Sometimes that's all it takes!

It is better to be hated for what you are,
than loved for what you are not.
~Andre Gide
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I copied that from Max Whittaker's sig - it says it all!!


When you hang with the in crowd, you lose a lot of your scruples and become someone or something you're not from peer pressure.

Best to be yourself and love yourself for that!

I had a deaf friend when I was a kid. At first no one would play with her (I guess they either were afraid because they didn't know how to communicate with her or something). I got to know her and she taught me sign language - now THAT'S cool! The other kids would see us signing to each other and laughing, and I taught her some words and next thing you know, they're wanting to play with us now. Just needed to break down that barrier. I thought she was really cool because of the signing and the other kids followed after. Sometimes that's all it takes!

Yeah, ignoring deaf people could be because they're afraid cause they don't know how to talk to them.

I know alot of sign language, but sience I can talk, I usually just talk except when I am with my deaf friends.

Yeah, ignoring deaf people could be because they're afraid cause they don't know how to talk to them.

I know alot of sign language, but sience I can talk, I usually just talk except when I am with my deaf friends.


You should try teaching it to some of your hearing friends too. I agree - people tend to back off because they don't know how to communicate easily with the deaf community. I wish they would teach it in school so that everyone would be integrated better. I'll bet some of your hearing friends would find it fun. I forget a lot of it, but would use it even at work with some of the people I worked with. We'd be at opposite ends of a hall or big room, and instead of shouting, would just sign to each other - it was great!

As a matter of fact, I should download a sheet of the signs again and get back practicing - I don't want to lose it entirely. I love seeing the looks on deaf people when I'll sign to them and they know I can hear. Huge smiles -

No she shouldnt go even if they make her she should tell them to **** off and say that the school is an embarresment to the entire school system and the teacher or whatever should be fired.

I remember when I was at my old school on the field hockey team (My parents wouldnt let me quit) the team had a sleepover in one of the seniors backyard. I heard that it was a traditional thing and supposedly a "bonding expirience" when the captain called me and told me about it I didn't tell my parents because the thought of spending one night in a room with those girls being ignored and ostracized (sp?) and no one talking to me just listening to who is going out with who and who screwed who in the woods is just about as fun as taking out my spleen with a pair of scissors. So the day of the sleepover while my mom was waiting to pick me up she ran into a few mothers and found out about the sleepover. When I got in the car she asked me about the sleepover and why I didn't tell her ("Don't you know how embarrising this is for me not to know about this while everyone else does? What is wrong with you?" :rolleyes: )and me being the manic depressive, immature, emotional little teenie that I am starting screaming until I made it clear to her that I wasn't going to go.

So anyways later I found out that at the sleepover - from my gossip loving mother of course- that the seniors were hazing all of the girls and asking them "questions". Some of the girls wanted to leave but they couldn't leave the younger freshman (if I was there I would have been one of them). So it was right for me to stick to my guns and I didn't miss "a night of bonding" after all!

I hope your mom apologized to you for giving you a rough time about it. If anything, I would have been real proud of you if I had been your mom for standing up and not wanting to be forced into doing something you didn't want to because of peer pressure!

Even though you might have been a bit of an a$$ to your mom explaining why, she should recognize your maturity at wanting to opt out of it.

One of my best friends, who doesn't have hearing problems, says she wants to be popular too. I've always wanted to be popular, especially sience my sister Jasmine is so popular everywhere and usually gets the most attention when other kids are around us :(
being popular isn't any fun.

being popular isn't any fun.

It may not always be fun. But sometimes it seems like it, cause you know everyone likes you and everything. But sometimes you do have to be someone you're really not then.

It may not always be fun. But sometimes it seems like it, cause you know everyone likes you and everything. But sometimes you do have to be someone you're really not then.


No - not everyone likes you!! That's just it! You put yourself out there, and behind your back, people are still going to say things about you - maybe just out of jealousy! Don't be fooled - it just means everyone knows about you. And if you screw up, then everyone REALLY knows about you!!

Better to lay low, and have a few true, good friends than lots of acquaintances - its lonelier than you think!

No - not everyone likes you!! That's just it! You put yourself out there, and behind your back, people are still going to say things about you - maybe just out of jealousy! Don't be fooled - it just means everyone knows about you. And if you screw up, then everyone REALLY knows about you!!

Better to lay low, and have a few true, good friends than lots of acquaintances - its lonelier than you think!

Hmm, yeah that's true.

first of all, nobody should be forced to go to a camp or attend an event where they are mentally and physically tortured. i mean, isn't camp supposed to be for fun, enjoying yourself, and escaping problems? i thought so. and how can you do this when being tortured by everyone around you?

it pisses me off when teachers don't understand a kid's uncomfortable feelings about being around others who mistreat them. why not force the teacher to spend a week with people who torture and mistreat them? i know, because they're afraid.

It is better to be hated for what you are,
than loved for what you are not.
i used to have a shirt that said that.

trust me, being popular is NOT what you think. i went through my "popular phase" and it took a lot of effort, changing myself, and trying to please others more than myself. doesn't it seem like popular people have the easiest perfect lives? well guess what, they don't. they're the ones involved in all the social issues because that's what they are, social. when i was "popular", i went out of my way to please everyone just to maintain the popular status. and all it did was hurt me in the end when i realized how it wasn't what i truly wanted for myself. sure, you might think "gee, popularity is so totally cool. you have tons of friends and people who like you, you get many phone calls and everyone invites you to all their parties. what a perfect life." that is just a generalization made to mislead people into thinking the popular life is an easy and good one.

people need to just be themselves and forget what everyone else thinks of them. that just lowers self esteem and doesn't do anything but damage people's images of themselves. and i know some can't help it and that happens anyway, and that's just too bad. :(

Poor thing.

Sounds like Dawn from Welcome to the Dollhouse. Everybody picked on her in that movie also.

i used to have a shirt that said that.


Everyone should have one!!! I wish people could learn this lesson early in life. It would save them a lot of heartache!

trust me, being popular is NOT what you think. i went through my "popular phase" and it took a lot of effort, changing myself, and trying to please others more than myself. doesn't it seem like popular people have the easiest perfect lives? well guess what, they don't. they're the ones involved in all the social issues because that's what they are, social. when i was "popular", i went out of my way to please everyone just to maintain the popular status. and all it did was hurt me in the end when i realized how it wasn't what i truly wanted for myself. sure, you might think "gee, popularity is so totally cool. you have tons of friends and people who like you, you get many phone calls and everyone invites you to all their parties. what a perfect life." that is just a generalization made to mislead people into thinking the popular life is an easy and good one.

people need to just be themselves and forget what everyone else thinks of them. that just lowers self esteem and doesn't do anything but damage people's images of themselves. and i know some can't help it and that happens anyway, and that's just too bad. :(

Great attitude! Just too bad we had to learn it the hard way eh?

Great attitude! Just too bad we had to learn it the hard way eh?

yeah it is but it's for the better. it's not like any of my old friends come up to me and say "hey why did you ditch us?" or anything, i just don't have much to do with them anymore and I made many new friends. "popular" means you are liked by all. so by the real meaning, popular people don't live up to their title because all the popular people at my school are often backstabbed and get involved in many problems. the problem with being popular is that when you are, all your other "popular" friends pick you to pieces and they examine you to make sure you are keeping with the latest trends, look right, and they also are very critical about crushes, too. like "oh that person isn't cool enough" or "that person is wearing nerdy shoes. LETS DITCH THEM" that happens A LOT and i learned it. my "popular" ex friends didn't ditch me, i guess i just grew apart from them and by the looks of it, they grew apart from eachother. it seems the people considered "popular" don't have any more friends than anyone else (they actually have a lot of enemies) and that it's just that they are looked up to because of how they dress, act, etc. take Paris Hilton for an example.

yeah it is but it's for the better. it's not like any of my old friends come up to me and say "hey why did you ditch us?" or anything, i just don't have much to do with them anymore and I made many new friends. "popular" means you are liked by all. so by the real meaning, popular people don't live up to their title because all the popular people at my school are often backstabbed and get involved in many problems. the problem with being popular is that when you are, all your other "popular" friends pick you to pieces and they examine you to make sure you are keeping with the latest trends, look right, and they also are very critical about crushes, too. like "oh that person isn't cool enough" or "that person is wearing nerdy shoes. LETS DITCH THEM" that happens A LOT and i learned it. my "popular" ex friends didn't ditch me, i guess i just grew apart from them and by the looks of it, they grew apart from eachother. it seems the people considered "popular" don't have any more friends than anyone else (they actually have a lot of enemies) and that it's just that they are looked up to because of how they dress, act, etc. take Paris Hilton for an example.
The popular people in my school are only liked by around 3 people. I don't even know why they are "popular". Popularity is so overrated. I never was popular and I never will be, nor do I want to be. Most popular people are liked by a couple of people and hated by so much more.

You should try teaching it to some of your hearing friends too. I agree - people tend to back off because they don't know how to communicate easily with the deaf community. I wish they would teach it in school so that everyone would be integrated better. I'll bet some of your hearing friends would find it fun. I forget a lot of it, but would use it even at work with some of the people I worked with. We'd be at opposite ends of a hall or big room, and instead of shouting, would just sign to each other - it was great!

As a matter of fact, I should download a sheet of the signs again and get back practicing - I don't want to lose it entirely. I love seeing the looks on deaf people when I'll sign to them and they know I can hear. Huge smiles -
I believe more colleges now are offering sign language classes. The one I go to now has that (started offering it a couple of years ago) and the college in the last place I lived had been offering sign language classes for roughly 20 or more years.

I don't know if the colleges in your area would offer them, but it certainly doesn't hurt to check out. :)

The popular people in my school are only liked by around 3 people. I don't even know why they are "popular". Popularity is so overrated. I never was popular and I never will be, nor do I want to be. Most popular people are liked by a couple of people and hated by so much more.

I think "popular" people are only called that because everyone knows their name, like it or not. like Paris Hilton, she's considered popular because everyone knows who she is, but she is hardly liked. like if she fell on her face in front of everyone in public, they would laugh, not help her up. you know what i mean? popular basically means well-known, not well liked.

This makes me mad!!! I know how it feels to be bullied and teased all the time--especially when forced to!! Me and a few of my friends have hearing aids so we get teased all the time.

So I know how she feels about getting forced to go to camp with those bullies :(
Yeah from time to time im teased too and last year we went on a camping trip (we didnt HAVE to go, i chose to go) and my friend said some kids were teasing me behind by back...at first i was mad and all...and i would always get mad and stuff but i've learned to not care because their only making themselves look like idiots. So whatever

I've never had that many teasing problems but even if I did, I really wouldn't care. sure, my feelings would be hurt but I'd probably try to think about how I wouldn't have to deal with these people for the rest of my life so I just try to put up with people I don't care for as long as I can.

Well for an update:

The camp is currently happening,and she is home.The teachers didn't argue,they simply said to her,"what do you want to do" and she said "I dont want to go" and they said "okay".

Good - that's the way it should be!

Finally, some justice in this world! :clap:

Well for an update:

The camp is currently happening,and she is home.The teachers didn't argue,they simply said to her,"what do you want to do" and she said "I dont want to go" and they said "okay".
good.

Well for an update:

The camp is currently happening,and she is home.The teachers didn't argue,they simply said to her,"what do you want to do" and she said "I dont want to go" and they said "okay".

Awesome. :thumbsup: