Tomorrow in Bio class, we have to dissect a frog. My teacher decided to give us a preview today. It was bad enough when she took the dead frog ( body still intact) out of the bucket. But then she dissected it right in front of us. First of all, it was utterly disgusting. The inside... contents of the frog just sprung everywhere. The colors were that of a sickly gray and booger-like yellow. I just can't handle certain things, and that's one of them.

Second of all, it broke my heart. I don't agree with dissecting animals and killing them for experience/experiments. So tomorrow, we have to get in our lab groups and pick out a frog. What makes it even worse, is we have to NAME the damn frog. I really don't think I can do this... I almost threw up today. But if I don't do it, I'm going to get a zero, and it's a major lab.

Any advice? Anyone ever have to do this? I'm petrified and extremely disgruntled that I have to dissect a once-living animal. When the hell am I ever going to be quized on the anatomy of a frog?!

Help.

We had to disect a pig fetus in biology last year. It doesn't gross me out so much as it just makes me feel awful. It is sad, but I don't know what you can do about it. Humans suck, we should disect ourselves.

I thought they had stopped doing this on real animals. Apparently there's no need - they now utilize alternate teaching tools so that dissections in class are not necessary.

I cannot believe they're still doing this. I didn't take biology because of this exact reason! Back then, not only did they do frogs, but rabbits as well!

I have heard of some students asking to be excused and then allowed another method of learning it so that they can be graded on tests like the rest of the class. I remember the smell!! :( puke:

With today's technology, we don't even need to disect real frogs. Computers can give us accurate and realistic images and tutorials.

Generations of students have objected to the disection of frogs. Yet it continues. Doesn't make sense.

With today's technology, we don't even need to disect real frogs. Computers can give us accurate and realistic images and tutorials.

Generations of students have objected to the disection of frogs. Yet it continues. Doesn't make sense.


Yeah - that's what I've heard - there's some sort of software that's like totally 3-D, and everything else. To me, you don't need to feel the actual texture unless you're in med school. Maybe its time to start a campaign at your school to change the way they do it!

When I had to disect frogs, worms and grasshoppers in Biology I thought that I couldn't do it. But I did it! It wasn't so bad. And I am the queen of squeamish! :lol: Remember that medical science and medical breakthoughs/cures have come about through these seemingly yucky things. I just hope that someday a cure for cancer will be fouind! :D So many people that I love, lately have died from cancer. :(

I look at it this way.......How many flies have I killed and bugs have I stepped on in my lifetime? I don't see any difference in insects and frogs or whatever.Just as long as they were not tortured or anything.Just My opinion. :D

Karly if you think dissecting a frog is bad, try dissecting a dead cat for Anatomy. My sister had to do that for her college anatomy class. I wouldn't object to dissecting anything else but I would draw the line at dissecting a cat.

Karly if you think dissecting a frog is bad, try dissecting a dead cat for Anatomy. My sister had to do that for her college anatomy class. I wouldn't object to dissecting anything else but I would draw the line at dissecting a cat.


Oh yes, I'll have to admit that dissecting a cat would bother me a lot! :eek:

we had to dissect frogs last year in biology too. i made my partner do everything because i couldn't stand it. we dissected sheep hearts before that though and i was dicing it up without any problem. my school's anatomy class dissects cats every year. they're doing it now. my brother named his "megaded" (after the band megadeth..) it makes the room smell like **** for weeks. i'd rather keep taking crapistry than tear up the insides of a poor kitty.

What ever happened to the Dissection Choice legislation being floated around in MA? Last I heard it'd passed the state House and Senate...

On Edit: Apparently Romney line-item veto'ed it....can't find anything after that. Karly, if you can't talk your teacher out of it, blame your governor. At least your Legislative Branch TRIED to get you out of it.

It's rather creepy that they make you name it... I mean, for many people, it's hard enough to disect a once-living creature. What do they accomplish by having you name it?

I would suggest that if you don't want to do it, try and pair up with a guy or something that likes that sort of thing. The nastiest thing I had to disect was a lamb eyeball. I never had to do a frog. Also in 9th grade, we had to disect these small sharks. The teacher told us that they were all male. Well I started to disect mine, and I found 4 babies inside! So much for all male.

i remember doing that in middle school (we disected a pig in high school). It smelt soo bad; the smell alone made me sick. I just coudl'nt think about the fact that it was once living; i looked at it as a grade. That's all you can do--unless you plan a protest.

Protest! Protest! Protest! Protest! :soapbox:

I had to dissect a frog in 7th grade life science. :barf: I felt basically the same way, yet I had to go on and do it...The worst was doing the rat in my 10th grade biology class. We alternated rats every day over a span of four days - one day, I had a rat whose intestines were destroyed and it oozed poop all over the tray. :barf: And another rat I worked with had been pregnant before it died - ew! *shudder*

Ugh, poor you, next year I have to dissect...one s or two? a pig fetus and I'm dreading it. Everybody's like, it's dead, you eat meat, what's the big deal, but a frog is different than cutting previously cut steak. Anyways, sorry, I'm going off on a tangent. My advice is try to be partners with someone whose really into it and maybe they can do all the work. I don't think the school has any right to make ANYONE dissect something if they don't want to.

that is the exact reason why I didn't take Biology.

The one year I had Biology (9th grade), the teacher happened to be a strict believer in not dissecting animals, so the worst thing we did was making models of cells...I haven't been in a Biol. class since (Gen. Science in 10th, then Chemistry in 11th/12th, and now Geology in College)

We never had too :biglove:

I didn't take biology and we didn't do it in general science. :D

Karly if you think dissecting a frog is bad, try dissecting a dead cat for Anatomy. My sister had to do that for her college anatomy class. I wouldn't object to dissecting anything else but I would draw the line at dissecting a cat.

:eek: :(

I would never be able to do that. I'm one of these softies. ;)

At my high school, Biology is REQUIRED. No way to get out of it...Everybody has to take it.

Luckily...you only need 2 science credits to graduate. Physical Science and Biology are required. Most people at my HS take 3...I did too. I took PS and Bio and then my 11th grade year, I took ABC (Applied Biology/Chemistry) instead of going to Chemistry. :)

At my high school, Biology is REQUIRED. No way to get out of it...Everybody has to take it.

It was required at mine too.
But I still didn't take it.
How did I get out of it?! Easy. I just never put it down on my schedules. :cool:
And they never caught it.
It wasn't even that I was vehemently opposed to it either, I just wanted some other classes more and by the time my senior year rolled around I had forgotten about taking it altogether and never put it down. I do recall having 3 study halls during that year so that was nice. :D

At my high school, Biology is REQUIRED. No way to get out of it...Everybody has to take it.

Luckily...you only need 2 science credits to graduate. Physical Science and Biology are required. Most people at my HS take 3...I did too. I took PS and Bio and then my 11th grade year, I took ABC (Applied Biology/Chemistry) instead of going to Chemistry. :)
[http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/attachment.php?s=&postid=1423534]At my school you need 1 biological and 1 physical science credit to graduate. This should be my last semester of science, but i failed the first semester of biology last year and this past semester of crapistry. so assuming i past crapistry this semester (which i'm pretty sure i will), next year i'll just repeat the first semester of biology (which i actually learned a lot in, just didn't do my work and ****), and for the second semester take physical science, which is a level below biology. They're both only open to freshman and sophomores (i'll be a junior), but they make exceptions for people who need credit; i was going to take anatomy next year, but they probably realize as well that i'm way too stupid to go past chemistry. So science next year is going to be hella easy, AND my last year of science (and math) ever. My school counselor and i just set up that plan today, which was such a relief because i'd been planning to take the first semester of anatomy next year to make up the other half of my biological credit, which disgusts me (and thank god i'd miss the cat dissecting anyway), and repeat the first semester of crapistry in my senior year (assuming i pass it this semester) to complete the physical credit. i actually made a chart of every single combination of semesters of science i could fail and still graduate on time. no need to worry anymore, because i'm taking classes i pretty much already know. :D

in case you've been wondering, yes i AM very obsessed with classes. i've been really looking forward to graduating and ****. IT'S BEEN 11 DAMN YEARS AND I'M SICK TO DEATH OF SCHOOL. IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON ALREADY! DAMNIT.[/http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/attachment.php?s=&postid=1423534]

It was required at mine too.
But I still didn't take it.
How did I get out of it?! Easy. I just never put it down on my schedules. :cool:
And they never caught it.
It wasn't even that I was vehemently opposed to it either, I just wanted some other classes more and by the time my senior year rolled around I had forgotten about taking it altogether and never put it down. I do recall having 3 study halls during that year so that was nice. :D
My teachers would check everybody's schedules to make sure they got the required classes...your total credits would be checked out before you graduated and if you weren't meeting requirements, they would make you take that class, like it or not.

[http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/attachment.php?s=&postid=1423534]At my school you need 1 biological and 1 physical science credit to graduate. This should be my last semester of science, but i failed the first semester of biology last year and this past semester of crapistry. so assuming i past crapistry this semester (which i'm pretty sure i will), next year i'll just repeat the first semester of biology (which i actually learned a lot in, just didn't do my work and ****), and for the second semester take physical science, which is a level below biology. They're both only open to freshman and sophomores (i'll be a junior), but they make exceptions for people who need credit; i was going to take anatomy next year, but they probably realize as well that i'm way too stupid to go past chemistry. So science next year is going to be hella easy, AND my last year of science (and math) ever. My school counselor and i just set up that plan today, which was such a relief because i'd been planning to take the first semester of anatomy next year to make up the other half of my biological credit, which disgusts me (and thank god i'd miss the cat dissecting anyway), and repeat the first semester of crapistry in my senior year (assuming i pass it this semester) to complete the physical credit. i actually made a chart of every single combination of semesters of science i could fail and still graduate on time. no need to worry anymore, because i'm taking classes i pretty much already know. :D

in case you've been wondering, yes i AM very obsessed with classes. i've been really looking forward to graduating and ****. IT'S BEEN 11 DAMN YEARS AND I'M SICK TO DEATH OF SCHOOL. IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON ALREADY! DAMNIT.[/http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/attachment.php?s=&postid=1423534]
When I was at the end my sophomore year, I was at the end of my 14th school year (NOT the same thing as a regular year). I pretty much had my schedule planned through my senior year when I was a sophomore, as well. I had my senior year mapped out so that I got out at 1:25 every day. It was so freaking sweet. :D

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My teachers would check everybody's schedules to make sure they got the required classes...your total credits would be checked out before you graduated and if you weren't meeting requirements, they would make you take that class, like it or not.
My teachers never checked our schedules. It was up to the student to make sure they took the right classes.

I still don't know how I passed Biology. The teacher must have been on drugs. :lol:

My teachers never checked our schedules. It was up to the student to make sure they took the right classes.

I still don't know how I passed Biology. The teacher must have been on drugs. :lol:
Keep in mind, I scheduled my classes at both the high school and the deaf school...At the HS, they didn't check your sched either...but things work differently at the deaf school...The one I went to had 32 kids in preschool - 12th grade when I graduated, so it was VERY easy for the teachers to sit down one-on-one with you and go thru your sched that way. They would also even ask me if I wanted a certain teacher for a certain class at the high school, which was pretty nice...I graduated from the deaf school but spent 98% of my time at the high school.

Keep in mind, I scheduled my classes at both the high school and the deaf school...At the HS, they didn't check your sched either...but things work differently at the deaf school...The one I went to had 32 kids in preschool - 12th grade when I graduated, so it was VERY easy for the teachers to sit down one-on-one with you and go thru your sched that way. They would also even ask me if I wanted a certain teacher for a certain class at the high school, which was pretty nice...I graduated from the deaf school but spent 98% of my time at the high school.
HS teachers are very impersonal It would be nice if they took more of an active role in what the students are doing but their classes are just too big.

When I was at the end my sophomore year, I was at the end of my 14th school year (NOT the same thing as a regular year). I pretty much had my schedule planned through my senior year when I was a sophomore, as well. I had my senior year mapped out so that I got out at 1:25 every day. It was so freaking sweet. :D

[/end thread drift] (Sorry, Karly...)
:grr: omg, i'm SO obsessed with planning which classes to take. i make lists and diagrams and crap all the time. next year i'll be able to come home for a few hours every wednesday and friday. i'll be taking english, US history, biology/physcal science, concepts of algebra and geometry, choir, psychosociology, and advanced computer publications. the year after that i'll only take english, government, choir, another choir, and culinary arts. i can drop out of culinary arts the second semester. the year after that i'll be sitting on my lazy ass all day. [/http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/attachment.php?s=&postid=1423534]

i remember doing that in middle school (we disected a pig in high school)

same here. but you know, the frog didn't bother me. It looked like the inside of an egg roll.

I have successfully turned of more people from eating egg rolls with that comment.

Man, we had to dissect freaking cats my senior year. That sucked hardcore, plus they stunk badly from soaking in the formeldehyde, or whatever that stuff is.

Thanks for the responses guys! Here's the verdict:

She picked our groups for us. My group was all girls. The three of us were standing there petrified to touch it. The smell was horrible. The first thing we had to do was cut the jaw open to observe the mouth. Since no one else would touch it, I volunteered... but when I picked up the scissors, I freaked out and starting crying. Luckily one of the girls got really into it and took over. The inside was horrible. We had to remove all the parts and identify them. I had to go out in the greenhouse to get some fresh air, as I was starting to get sick. It was absolutely horrifying.

Never... again.

Thanks for the results guys! Here's the verdict:

She picked our groups for us. My group was all girls. The three of us were standing there petrified to touch it. The smell was horrible. The first thing we had to do was cut the jaw open to observe the mouth. Since no one else would touch it, I volunteered... but when I picked up the scissors, I freaked out and starting crying. Luckily one of the girls got really into it and took over. The inside was horrible. We had to remove all the parts and identify them. I had to go out in the greenhouse to get some fresh air, as I was starting to get sick. It was absolutely horrible.

Never... again.
ugh we had to cut the jaw open and everything too last year. i lucked out because my partner was a guy and a really good, obedient student and he willingly did everything himself. i had to work with a girl on the sheep heart and thankfully i didn't mind it because she sure as hell did, and would cringe and look away when i cut into it. it looked like steak on the inside by the way. :grr:

Thanks for the responses guys! Here's the verdict:

She picked our groups for us. My group was all girls. The three of us were standing there petrified to touch it. The smell was horrible. The first thing we had to do was cut the jaw open to observe the mouth. Since no one else would touch it, I volunteered... but when I picked up the scissors, I freaked out and starting crying. Luckily one of the girls got really into it and took over. The inside was horrible. We had to remove all the parts and identify them. I had to go out in the greenhouse to get some fresh air, as I was starting to get sick. It was absolutely horrifying.

Never... again.


Sorry you had to go through that Karly. :( Hopefully you won't need to go through it again.
Did anyone else cry - did the teacher notice and if so, say anything to help you out? They can't expect everyone to be able to handle that. I guess if it had to be, you're lucky it was just a frog. I had heard of (and smelled) rabbits, but didn't know they did it on cats. :mad: I'm surprised the American Humane Society hasn't protested that one. :sarah:

I'm surprised the American Humane Society hasn't protested that one. :sarah:

I heard somewhere that they actually did. Not that it did any good, obviously.

I heard somewhere that they actually did. Not that it did any good, obviously.


That's why I give to the SPCAs and Humane Societies as much as I can. I even have it in my Will that I don't want flowers, but if they wish, donations to either of those organizations and also to fund the training of service dogs for the disabled. (I actually looked into becoming a trainer recently, and I know the pay is low - I don't care about that - but it takes 8 years to be fully certified in the training of those dogs - about the same as a medical doctor!).

Get out there and raise hell about this! The victims need us to speak for them!

Sorry you had to go through that Karly. :( Hopefully you won't need to go through it again.
Did anyone else cry - did the teacher notice and if so, say anything to help you out? They can't expect everyone to be able to handle that. I guess if it had to be, you're lucky it was just a frog. I had heard of (and smelled) rabbits, but didn't know they did it on cats. :mad: I'm surprised the American Humane Society hasn't protested that one. :sarah:
I've heard that cats are often chosen to be dissecting subjects for anatomy classes because their body anatomy closely resembles that of the human being's.

I don't know how true it is, though...I'm not about to find out. :barf:

Talk to your principal, or maybe even your teacher, privately. They have to respect your beliefs.

I've heard that cats are often chosen to be dissecting subjects for anatomy classes because their body anatomy closely resembles that of the human being's.

I don't know how true it is, though...I'm not about to find out. :barf:
yeah, it's true.

I've heard that cats are often chosen to be dissecting subjects for anatomy classes because their body anatomy closely resembles that of the human being's.

I don't know how true it is, though...I'm not about to find out. :barf:

For that matter, we might as well dissect apes! :mad:

I never did like science, of any kind. The only science I ever enjoyed was Earth Science, because we learned about the weather and rocks. I hate learning about plants and animals.

I didn't really like having to dissect the frog last year.... but I'm far from an animal activist.
The frogs are bred for the sole purpose of being dissected. They wouldn't be here in the first place if they weren't going to get dissected, so I didn't feel that bad. It was still kind of disgusting, but then again, I would have hated having to touch a frog if it were alive.

HS teachers are very impersonal It would be nice if they took more of an active role in what the students are doing but their classes are just too big.

Try being in a HS in a rural school in the southeast: Everyone is everyone's neighbor, so your teachers already have known you since you were a baby. Classes, MAXIMUM, run 25-30 students, and outside of a class like English, are usually 15-20 (I've had one class have 6 people).

Of course, it also means that when you do something against school policy, your parents tend to hear about it in record time - usually in the supermarket after school.

I never did like science, of any kind. The only science I ever enjoyed was Earth Science, because we learned about the weather and rocks. I hate learning about plants and animals.

:yeahthat

Weather is like #1 hobby(even above television and news). :lol:

Sorry you had to go through that Karly. :(

Dissecting animals....what a way to learn. My phsyiology teacher is insane. He finds these dead dogs and cats (and pretty much every other animal you can think of) and gets them shipped to him in these vacuum-tight bags...omg...their faces are so scary looking and it's so sad. This year our class dissected cats- I didn't join in on the festivities (I'm really glad he was lenient and let those who were grossed out do worksheets and bookwork instead). The smell, however, was terrible; as was watching and hearing people talk about how they took the fur off and skinned it. One of the cats was pregnant with four babies...i get quesy just thinking about it. But yeah, one of the reasons why cats are frequently dissected is because their anatomy is a lot like ours- same names for veins and everything. You should go down to the principal or assistant principal and talk to them about how your against it...they can't force you to cut open an animal if it's against your beliefs. If that doesn't work, I'm sure you're not the only one against it, so just get a bunch of students together and go around the school protesting, getting more people to join in.

I'd take a zero. It's your beliefs and maybe sometimes you have to go out of your way to stay true to your own morals. Or you can talk to them and maybe find that techno thingie where they have a frog as a graphic on a computer program and look at all the parts there.

Try being in a HS in a rural school in the southeast: Everyone is everyone's neighbor, so your teachers already have known you since you were a baby. Classes, MAXIMUM, run 25-30 students, and outside of a class like English, are usually 15-20 (I've had one class have 6 people).

Of course, it also means that when you do something against school policy, your parents tend to hear about it in record time - usually in the supermarket after school.
my old school was grades K-8 and had about 90 total students and five classrooms. the building used to be a beauty parlor. the grades were combined in classrooms so everyone in your grade was in your class every year. it sounds ****ty and ghetto but it did provide a good education and all in all i had a lot of fun there.

WFLURGHCLGHFPTH. Dissecting anything. Blaeeeachch. I never liked doing that. I didn't really get too involved in that in junior high. You don't want to get a zero, but if you cringe at the thought of doing it, you should tell your teacher so.

Yeah, biology ain't pretty, but for millenia, this was how science came about. We had cut up SOMETHING for the benefit of mankind (sorry about the poor froggies).

Okay I heard on FOX News today that some high school in Utah, made students disect a living dog, in order to see how the digestive system works! That angers me more than a frog.

For that matter, we might as well dissect apes! :mad:


Hell - Why stop there!! Let's just find illegal immigrants and work on them!! :rolleyes:

I CANNOT believe they're using cats and dogs now. I'm stunned really. I would have thought the Human Society could have easily put a stop to that! If they're going after industry (cosmetics, etc.) and stopping them from experimenting on animals then why aren't the schools?

Yes, cats are similar (I think pigs as well, but I'm sure they put up more of a fight) but that's still no reason to be using them at the high school level. I can see maybe in medical school when it may be required for people who do plan on going into medicine and needing that, but not kids who are just being introduced to biology. There are other ways of teaching the workings of the human body without sacrificing animals without cause. :mad:

Okay I heard on FOX News today that some high school in Utah, made students disect a living dog, in order to see how the digestive system works! That angers me more than a frog.

That's wacked. That kind of thing should be only in Vet schools.

That angers me more than a frog.

Frog, dog, or green monkey- a frog is still an animal. I can understand if you like dogs that you'd be upset, but my point is, I don't want to dissect anything that was once living because I believe it's wrong.

Okay I heard on FOX News today that some high school in Utah, made students disect a living dog, in order to see how the digestive system works! That angers me more than a frog.

Oh my God! Was it at least drugged? That is horrible!

Oh my God! Was it at least drugged? That is horrible!

Yes, he was drugged. Apparently they used that dog because he was going to be euthanized. Either way it's wrong.