Hi I'm new to this board, I was wondering, were any Maude characters ever seen or mentioned on GT?

None were ever mentioned or seen hence the great Good Times is not a spin-off of Maude debate here on SO. :lol:

Hi I'm new to this board, I was wondering, were any Maude characters ever seen or mentioned on GT?


Nope, no Maude characters were ever talked about. But the closet reference to Maude was Florida saying she used to be a Maid, but never said where she was a Maid or who she worked for.

I think the only other spin-off not to mention or see characters from original show is Family Matters?

I think the only other spin-off not to mention or see characters from original show is Family Matters?

SimpsonsFan, Good Times is not a spinoff. If you need more info on why, then you can read some of my old posts on the spinoff board

SimpsonsFan, Good Times is not a spinoff. If you need more info on why, then you can read some of my old posts on the spinoff board

Oh, Lord. This debate will continue on and on......You already know what my answer is. :lol:

Oh, Lord. This debate will continue on and on......You already know what my answer is. :lol:


I'm tring to find my email from Norman Lear saying that Good Times was intended to be a spinoff but never was. I will send it to u when I find it-lol

(Maude)Florida Evans --- Maid

(Good Times)Florida Evans--- Former Maid


Spinoff

My boy Brian! LOL! I love how you put the facts. BTW, Do you really live in NYC? I go there a lot since that is where I am from and my family lives there. Most of you that I talk live in the Northeast area. pav lives in linden, nj where my dad's family lives. TSA lives in philly where I have family. This is very interesting. It would be cool if TJ had an annual convention for the members. LOL. TSA, you do have a right to your opinion, though. I see some things never change. Heh Heh!

I would have liked to see an episode where Maude & her husband would come to visit the Evans family in the ghetto, that would have been pretty funny!

I would have liked to see an episode where Maude & her husband would come to visit the Evans family in the ghetto, that would have been pretty funny!
That would have been great. Maude's first question to James probably would have been " Didn't your name used to be Henry? " :lol:

My boy Brian! LOL! I love how you put the facts. BTW, Do you really live in NYC? I go there a lot since that is where I am from and my family lives there. Most of you that I talk live in the Northeast area. pav lives in linden, nj where my dad's family lives. TSA lives in philly where I have family. This is very interesting. It would be cool if TJ had an annual convention for the members. LOL. TSA, you do have a right to your opinion, though. I see some things never change. Heh Heh!



I will always have a strong argument because of the several inconsistencies. I will never ever be convinced-lol

I will always have a strong argument because of the several inconsistencies. I will never ever be convinced-lol


Yeeeees you will. Even if it takes money. :lol:

Yeeeees you will. Even if it takes money. :lol:


Well I guess the Evans Living in Chicago and being Poor after Florida Stop working for Maude in NEW YORK will always be a Mystery. And Until someone solves that Mystery, Good Times to me will never ever ever be a spinoff.

That would have been great. Maude's first question to James probably would have been " Didn't your name used to be Henry? " :lol:


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My boy Brian! LOL! I love how you put the facts. BTW, Do you really live in NYC? I go there a lot since that is where I am from and my family lives there. Most of you that I talk live in the Northeast area. pav lives in linden, nj where my dad's family lives. TSA lives in philly where I have family. This is very interesting. It would be cool if TJ had an annual convention for the members. LOL. TSA, you do have a right to your opinion, though. I see some things never change. Heh Heh!


Yes, I really live in NY.

That would have been great. Maude's first question to James probably would have been " Didn't your name used to be Henry? " :lol:


And I bet if James said "No my name was never Henry" Brian Damage and ThomasE would still think Good Times is a Spinoff.

And I bet if James said "No my name was never Henry" Brian Damage and ThomasE would still think Good Times is a Spinoff.


As long as Florida Evans was on both shows....Yes

And I bet if James said "No my name was never Henry" Brian Damage and ThomasE would still think Good Times is a Spinoff.

SOLOMON, you do know that spinoffs from time to time have inconsistencies, right? "Head of the Class" star Billy MacGregeror was spun off into his own series, "Billy" in which he was married to an American in order to stay in the U.S.with no references to Filmore High or the students from HOTC.

"Empty Nest" was spun off from the Golden Girls. The pilot took place in the same house the Westons used on Empty Nest but the actors were different with the exception of David Leisure (Charley Dietz, next door neighbor) whose name was "Oliver" on the pilot from the Golden Girls. Do you see any similarities? Henry Evans/James Evans! Good Times was closer to the consistency than Empty Nest was with the transformation IMO. Florida was still Florida. Her backround on was being a maid on both shows. On both shows, she acknowledges having "Three beautiful black kids" John Amos played the same character with some backround changes including first name which was given to his father "Henry Evans". Maude does not have to call Florida in order to make it a spinoff.

For those of you that are new to this issue, we have been at this for about 2 and a half years, now. And for a while it seemed as though opinions were being swayed but everyone winds up sticking to their guns:

SOLOMON/TSA/RTC was almost beginning to believe the "spinoff" fact because he watched an episode when she said she used to be a maid.

Brian Damage was starting to believe that SOLOMON/TSA/RTC was right about his non spinoff theory but to my relief, he has stuck to his original opinion which matches mine.

And there you have it, folks...and that's the way it is................(coughs) It's a Spinoff. Now this is the part where the Philly dude opposes. LOL.

SOLOMON, you do know that spinoffs from time to time have inconsistencies, right? "Head of the Class" star Billy MacGregeror was spun off into his own series, "Billy" in which he was married to an American in order to stay in the U.S.with no references to Filmore High or the students from HOTC.

"Empty Nest" was spun off from the Golden Girls. The pilot took place in the same house the Westons used on Empty Nest but the actors were different with the exception of David Leisure (Charley Dietz, next door neighbor) whose name was "Oliver" on the pilot from the Golden Girls. Do you see any similarities? Henry Evans/James Evans! Good Times was closer to the consistency than Empty Nest was with the transformation IMO. Florida was still Florida. Her backround on was being a maid on both shows. On both shows, she acknowledges having "Three beautiful black kids" John Amos played the same character with some backround changes including first name which was given to his father "Henry Evans". Maude does not have to call Florida in order to make it a spinoff.

For those of you that are new to this issue, we have been at this for about 2 and a half years, now. And for a while it seemed as though opinions were being swayed but everyone winds up sticking to their guns:

SOLOMON/TSA/RTC was almost beginning to believe the "spinoff" fact because he watched an episode when she said she used to be a maid.

Brian Damage was starting to believe that SOLOMON/TSA/RTC was right about his non spinoff theory but to my relief, he has stuck to his original opinion which matches mine.

And there you have it, folks...and that's the way it is................(coughs) It's a Spinoff. Now this is the part where the Philly dude opposes. LOL.


I'm with you on the name change, but until someone gives me a detailed intelligent answer as to why the Evans were not living in NY and were in Chicago, then I can;t call it a spinoff-lol Sorry Thomas. Just too many holes

I would have loved to have seen a topless showdown between Adrienne Barbeau and Bern Nadette Stanis.

I have a very hazy memory of an episode of Maude where Flo was mentioned after she left that show. When the Roots came out, Maude, out of liberal white guilt, wanted to hire a black housekeeper. Her husband mentioned something to effect that its too bad Flo moved to Chicago.


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QUOTE=SimpsonsFan]Hi I'm new to this board, I was wondering, were any Maude characters ever seen or mentioned on GT?[/QUOTE]

Nope, no Maude characters were ever talked about. But the closet reference to Maude was Florida saying she used to be a Maid, but never said where she was a Maid or who she worked for.

This also made me think of the setting of the shows Maude and Good Times. Trivial and unimportant...I know...but I thought Maude...which came from All in the Family was set in New York. Good Times was set in Chicago.

after doing much research

I did find out that Good Times is not a spin off from Maude

Ester Rolle had already been givin the part as Florida and Eric Monte and Mike Evans had already started to work on the show before Maude even became a show

a post that has a link to an interview with Eric Monte that is either on the Good Times board or the Maude Board will clarify that

it did for me

after doing much research

I did find out that Good Times is not a spin off from Maude

Ester Rolle had already been givin the part as Florida and Eric Monte and Mike Evans had already started to work on the show before Maude even became a show

a post that has a link to an interview with Eric Monte that is either on the Good Times board or the Maude Board will clarify that

it did for me




You are my NEW FRIEND

I have a very hazy memory of an episode of Maude where Flo was mentioned after she left that show. When the Roots came out, Maude, out of liberal white guilt, wanted to hire a black housekeeper. Her husband mentioned something to effect that its too bad Flo moved to Chicago.


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QUOTE=SimpsonsFan]Hi I'm new to this board, I was wondering, were any Maude characters ever seen or mentioned on GT?[/QUOTE]


That sounds False. I have to check that

You are my NEW FRIEND


Gee thanks :crazy:

Gee thanks :crazy:


LOL-I said that because you agree with me about why Good Times is not a spinoff.

Well, I still like you Solomon, even though you and Trishalla are wrong! :lol:

I don't think that a spin off necessarily has to have a certain number of originals from the parent show to be considered a spin off. If it was too close to Maude, then the show would have been called something like "Maude's Maid Florida". But I'm not going to argue the point. Believe what you want. I just wanted to say that I seem to remember an episode of Maude that talked about Florida moving to Chicago. Now, maybe my memory is cloudy and it's possible I may be making it up, but I remember that. However, on Good Times, I get the feeling while watching it that the family has been in Chicago for longer than they would have been had they actually been with Maude - but with the beauty of fictional television, I suppose that's OK. It does pose an interesting topic for debate however.

It's a fractured spinoff. The settings are different, but Florida Evans was a maid on Maude and Florida Evans was a former maid on Good Times.

after doing much research

I did find out that Good Times is not a spin off from Maude

Ester Rolle had already been givin the part as Florida and Eric Monte and Mike Evans had already started to work on the show before Maude even became a show

a post that has a link to an interview with Eric Monte that is either on the Good Times board or the Maude Board will clarify that

it did for me

Ester Rolle was not given the role of Florida for GT before Maude. GT was created before Maude but didn't sell, until Lear added Ester to the cast and make it a spinoff of Maude.

Ester Rolle was not given the role of Florida for GT before Maude. GT was created before Maude but didn't sell, until Lear added Ester to the cast and make it a spinoff of Maude.

yes she was but just like Retro said
You guys on here could have Ester Rolle come back from the dead and tell you that GT is not a Maude Spin off and you still would not believe it
:lol:

Not until somebody explains to me why Florida Evans name was used in the two shows.

Well, I still like you Solomon, even though you and Trishalla are wrong! :lol:

Good Times was already in creation when Maude happen so there for it is not a spin off

Now I understand how many of you feel because I thought that it was a spin off too until I got more info on it from a interview with Eric Monte.

But just come to the Light side of the force on this one

Sorry but Retro is right on this one

Good Times was already in creation when Maude happen so there for it is not a spin off

Now I understand how many of you feel because I thought that it was a spin off too until I got more info on it from a interview with Eric Monte.

But just come to the Light side of the force on this one

Sorry but Retro is right on this one


No he is not, the show Good Times might have been created before Maude, but it didn't air until after Maude. Rolle wasn't cast on GT until after her role as Florida Evans on Maude. Sorry, but you and Solomon are wrong.

No he is not, the show Good Times might have been created before Maude, but it didn't air until after Maude. Rolle wasn't cast on GT until after her role as Florida Evans on Maude. Sorry, but you and Solomon are wrong.


Sorry But you are wrong

:wave:

Sorry But you are wrong

:wave:


Oh, geez! Here we go again! :rolleyes:

Oh, geez! Here we go again! :rolleyes:


We atleast this time I have someone on my side. i didn't have that in 2003-lol Brian Damage you will see it my way one day.

Sorry But you are wrong

:wave:



I have been everything I could to convince brian it's not a spinoff-lol I even mailed him a article from 1974 where the producer says in the article that GT is not a spinoff and he still doesn't believe it.-lol

Sorry But you are wrong

:wave:


No you are

:wave:

No you are

:wave:

Good Times is a Maude Spinoff, folks. There have been other shows that were preconcieved B4 the parents shows but did not debut till' after. Knots Landing in one. CBS wanted something more glitzy, so "Dallas" was born and took the estranged middle Ewing child, Gary, and spun him and TV wife Valene from Dallas onto Knots Landing. It happens. I can't say that it was not a spinoff. It is so apparent and clear.

Good Times is a Maude Spinoff, folks. There have been other shows that were preconcieved B4 the parents shows but did not debut till' after. Knots Landing in one. CBS wanted something more glitzy, so "Dallas" was born and took the estranged middle Ewing child, Gary, and spun him and TV wife Valene from Dallas onto Knots Landing. It happens. I can't say that it was not a spinoff. It is so apparent and clear.


I wish I still had a copy of that article so i could mail it to you-lol

As I have stated to you before Solomon, that article does have flaws in it.

As I have stated to you before Solomon, that article does have flaws in it.


if you still have it maybe you can mail it to ThomasE and Trishilla-lol

....and- the- beat- goes- on......

....and- the- beat- goes- on......


I plan to come up with something to end this debate for good before this year is over

You have your work cut out 4 ya, dude.

You have your work cut out 4 ya, dude.


All I need is Norman Lear's cell phone number and then we will call Brian Damage on a three-way and put a end to this all together-lol

Hi,
Long time fan of the show here, recent reincarnate after the TV Land marathon.

I'd like to think GT is a spinoff. Seems "cleaner" that way. LOL! However...

In the "Michael Gets Suspended" episode, JJ, Thelma, AND Willona say they have all had the same old stale 6th grade teacher that's "20 years behind the times."

So they must all have been in Chicago for a while, no? ;)

Also --
Ned the wino is shown in the "Springtime in the Ghetto" episode, and JJ quips that they've had to "step over him for years." Well, maybe GT really does take place "years" after Maude? Hmm..

Just my .02 cents.

--YTA

Well I guess the Evans Living in Chicago and being Poor after Florida Stop working for Maude in NEW YORK will always be a Mystery. And Until someone solves that Mystery, Good Times to me will never ever ever be a spinoff.

And since Florida never mentioned being married when she came back to Chicago, I guess she never was. LOL
And since Willona had a different hairdo every episode, I guess she was bald.
Since we never saw Carl after he married Florida, it must be one of those "Dallas" dreams.
LOL LOL LOL
It is what it is...It is a spin-off. Too many mistakes, errors and goofs in Good Times so just consider this "spin-off" what it is. Okay so Chicago, Florida, New York, just too many mistakes. CBS just expected us to accept this show the way it was. LOL

And since Florida never mentioned being married when she came back to Chicago, I guess she never was. LOL
And since Willona had a different hairdo every episode, I guess she was bald.
Since we never saw Carl after he married Florida, it must be one of those "Dallas" dreams.
LOL LOL LOL
It is what it is...It is a spin-off. Too many mistakes, errors and goofs in Good Times so just consider this "spin-off" what it is. Okay so Chicago, Florida, New York, just too many mistakes. CBS just expected us to accept this show the way it was. LOL



Well if it's that many mistake then it wasn't intended to be taken as a spinoff. don't you think? Just too many flaws to be spinoff.

The show itself was never intended to be a spinoff, but once they put Florida Evans in the role, it immediately became one.

All I need is Norman Lear's cell phone number and then we will call Brian Damage on a three-way and put a end to this all together-lol

:lol:

The show itself was never intended to be a spinoff, but once they put Florida Evans in the role, it immediately became one.


You are almost right. The fact that the Original Title was the Black Family, that proves it's not connected to Maude.

How does that prove anything?

How does that prove anything?


Because they never bothered to tie in Good Times to the last episode of Maude

Last episode of Maude:Henry Evans-Fireman

First episode of Good Times: James Evans-Busting SUDS


LOL

Why did they name the lead character Florida Evans? If they named her Mabel, Shaniqua or something else, then I would say you have a point.

Why did they name the lead character Florida Evans? If they named her Mabel, Shaniqua or something else, then I would say you have a point.



But her middle name on Maude was different in addition to her home address

What was her middle name on Maude and Good Times?

Brian, you got me laughing so hard...LOL you make the points and we all get it (well some of us do anyhow) we know what the show was. Typical writers, creators etc. decided to make it about a poor black family because that's what would appeal to the television audience. It wouldn't really work now when you consider the Cosby show was the complete opposite of the premise of Good Times. You really think the writers were going to remain consistent with the info that was provided on Maude regarding the names of the Evans', their occupations, etc? They couldn't even remain consistent with "Good Times" itself. Brian you got it going on my man. LOL

Brian, you got me laughing so hard...LOL you make the points and we all get it (well some of us do anyhow) we know what the show was. Typical writers, creators etc. decided to make it about a poor black family because that's what would appeal to the television audience. It wouldn't really work now when you consider the Cosby show was the complete opposite of the premise of Good Times. You really think the writers were going to remain consistent with the info that was provided on Maude regarding the names of the Evans', their occupations, etc? They couldn't even remain consistent with "Good Times" itself. Brian you got it going on my man. LOL

Thank you. You make a very valid point, Good Times itself wasn't very consistent so why would they be concerning Maude. Excellent point!