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I'm so sorry for you Sarah. My prayers are with you at this time.

I'm so sorry :(

I'm sorry :(

:(

I'm truly sorry and my thoughts and prayers are with you at this sad time.

:(

I'm sorry. You have our support.

I'm really sorry Sarah. I know what it feels like to lose someone you knew and were close with - but this was different. It's shocking because you wouldn't think that accidents like these would happen to someone you knew. I'm really sorry and you will be in my prayers.

I'm very sorry to hear that. :(

I really feel for you Sarah. I lost a couple of friends too when I was your age to suicide or car accidents. It's horrible.

Her poor family having the sisters and a grandchild hurt or killed in it.

My thoughts and prayers are with you. :(

Hey, I know how it feels. It hurts. We are all here for you if you ever need anyone to talk to. :) But just remember that your friend is in a good place where she is safe and protected and she will always be with you! We will keep you in our thoughts and prayers during this difficult time. And we're all here for you if you need to talk about it. :wave: Hang in there!!

i just remembered she had a my space profile. it's depressing seeing that just yesterday she was logged in.

http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=11653663&Mytoken=20050503131927

i just remembered she had a my space profile. it's depressing seeing that just yesterday she was logged in.

http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=11653663&Mytoken=20050503131927

Tried checking it out, but there may be a lot of traffic right now - got an error.

i'm sorry to hear about that :( and you have our full support.

awww I'm so sorry, I know exactly how you feel I also lost a friend in a car accident it was in 2000. I feel so sorry for her parents losing two children at the same time I can't imagine their pain :(

when i hear about stuff like this i can't help but to just feel flat out sad... I don't know what to say except for the fact that I am so sorry.

Wow, I'm really sorry about that, Sarah :(

my thoughts and prayers are with you and everyone who knew her.
it's so hard losing a friend, especially with something as sudden as a car accident. I lost 2 close friends in high school--one to suicide (4 years october 4th) and one in a train accident (5 years may 17th)

I'm sorry Sarah :(

So sorry Sarah :(

I'm real sorry to hear this..losing a friend is never easy.

I'm so sorry babe...I know how hard this is for you because I went through the same thing last week with a friend of mine. if u need to talk PM me :(

RIP

i just remembered she had a my space profile. it's depressing seeing that just yesterday she was logged in.

http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=11653663&Mytoken=20050503131927


Oh gosh that's so sad :(

I already commented in your journal about it, but I'll say it again here - I am so sorry. I know how much you admired her. :crying:

i don't know if i'll be able to go to choir tomorrow without crying.






Crying is good. It's lets all the emotions out. Don't bother going to school tomorrow. You need to stay home and just think of how special your friend was and what she meant to everybody.

I'm very sorry about your loss. She sounded like a wonderful person. I hope the pain heals soon. :(

That is very sad, I am very sorry. Why do things like this have to happen to us?? :crying: My thoughts and prayers are with you.

That is very sad, I am very sorry. Why do things like this have to happen to us?? :crying: My thoughts and prayers are with you.

not even just us....no one deserves this :(

I pray for the families. it's tough enough that they lost 1 child but if they end up losing two thats just gonna be unthinkable :(

Sarah, you and Karen's family and friends are in my prayers... :(

Sarah, I'm so sorry. :(

:bighug:

Crying is good. It's lets all the emotions out. Don't bother going to school tomorrow. You need to stay home and just think of how special your friend was and what she meant to everybody.
yeah, that's exactly why i went home as soon as possible. a lot of other kids were seeing the counselors but i really needed to be by myself to cry and think. i was going to take my driver's test today (which has been postponed for the fourth time now) but i'm not about to go take a test on cars when my friend was just killed by one. i still can't register it in my mind that she's never coming back. she brought so much fun into the choir, we're all going to miss her. she played on the piano every day before class started. it's going to feel so empty without her. at the last choir concert a few weeks ago we screwed around and took off our shoes when we went on stage and she'd high five me when i said something funny. we had a lot of fun on the choir tour two months ago, acting silly in the restaurant we stayed at and making each other laugh. we played with crayons there and i still have the one i used. it may sound ridiculous but it's a good memory of her. it's nothing but unfair that she can't live.

at the last choir concert a few weeks ago we screwed around and took off our shoes when we went on stage and she'd high five me when i said something funny. we had a lot of fun on the choir tour two months ago, acting silly in the restaurant we stayed at and making each other laugh. we played with crayons there and i still have the one i used. it may sound ridiculous but it's a good memory of her. it's nothing but unfair that she can't live.

Stuff like that isn't ridiculous to me, I'm the same way. Being alone right now is probably the best thing for you in the grieving process. I've been in this situation before and what I can say is that since she can't live, you can live with her memory and don't ever forget how you shared special times with her.

Don't know if you're into this kind of thing, but whenever this happened to me, I would usually go in my room, put on music (ones that would pertain, or your favorites) and write. Just write like a song for her - to her - about her - whatever. Have a really good cry - you will for sure. Unfortunately it can't change things, but it does help release some emotions and you may surprise yourself on how catharic it feels and sometimes the poetry is really good because is comes from the heart. It's pretty much about the ONLY time I can write is when I'm sad because of a loss like that.
Hang in there hon. :bighug:

Sorry to hear of the loss of your friend.

Aww thats sad :( :( Sorry

Terribly sorry to hear about that. All my sympathies for you, her friends, and her families. :( *hugs*

I'm really sorry about your friend. I wish things like this didn't happen.

That's a terribly sad story. I'm very sorry about your friend, and the other family members. Just awful.

not even just us....no one deserves this :(

I pray for the families. it's tough enough that they lost 1 child but if they end up losing two thats just gonna be unthinkable :(
unfortunately, her younger sister died after the report was published. her older sister and niece don't have a good chance of survival. that poor family. all of their kids, just gone like that.. what a nightmare. even if i didn't know karen, the story is unbelievable and heartbreaking. i hope we do something special in choir tomorrow instead of just continuing to work on choreography. it's a small class and she was a big part of it.

OMG - that's so horrible.

Yes, I'm sure the teacher will discuss it with the class instead. There might also be some sort of grief counsellor present. They won't expect you to just carry on the day after.

I am so sorry. No one should ever have to go through losing a loved one.

I am so sorry to hear about that tragedy and your loss. Horrible story

:bighug: I'm sorry. :(

unfortunately, her younger sister died after the report was published. her older sister and niece don't have a good chance of survival. that poor family. all of their kids, just gone like that.. what a nightmare. even if i didn't know karen, the story is unbelievable and heartbreaking. i hope we do something special in choir tomorrow instead of just continuing to work on choreography. it's a small class and she was a big part of it.
I wouldn't be surprised to see this on the national news. It's not often that so many young family members die together.

Did anyone get hurt in the other car?

I am very sorry to hear about your friend. :(

At my school, a few years ago, there was a huge wreck where a drunk driver hit a car, and a mother, her son, and her sons girlfriend were all killed. Botht he son and girlfriend went to Wren with me.. this happend my freshman year I think. It was very sad to see 3 lives taken so fast.

Awwww... I'm so sorry. :(

I wouldn't be surprised to see this on the national news. It's not often that so many young family members die together.

Did anyone get hurt in the other car?
They were hit by a semi. according to what i heard, her sister didn't see it because of the sunlight, pulled in front of it, and it couldn't stop in time.

At my school, a few years ago, there was a huge wreck where a drunk driver hit a car, and a mother, her son, and her sons girlfriend were all killed. Botht he son and girlfriend went to Wren with me.. this happend my freshman year I think. It was very sad to see 3 lives taken so fast.
there is NOTHING more inconsiderate than driving drunk. i was reading stories a little while ago in chicken soup for the teenage soul about losing loved ones in car accidents. it disgusts me so many people do it. thank god it wasn't the case here. on top of being shocked and depressed, i'd be furious.

Ugh, that is so horrible. :( I can't even imagine what you're going through.

i noticed her friends left some comments in her myspace profile.

/-\mBer May 3, 2005 7:16 PM
Karen...i miss you so much! COME BACK TO US !

/\/\ ! K 3 /\ @ C H Y May 3, 2005 7:01 PM
Karen What a angel you were here on this earth! I loved you alot and felt love from you! I will miss you! But when I return to heaven later, it will be great to see you. I will miss the times talking to you and seeing you! I loved you! Your purpose on this earth was fulfilled!!! Have fun in Heaven!!!

<3 /\/\ike

/-\mBer May 3, 2005 5:35 PM
Karen you are the most awesomest person ! i love you and we all miss you tons! lol you take charge of that heaven girl !

OMG - that's so horrible.

Yes, I'm sure the teacher will discuss it with the class instead. There might also be some sort of grief counsellor present. They won't expect you to just carry on the day after.
yeah, there are counselors. a lot of students went to see them but i really wanted to go home instead because it's the only place i'd be able to get it out of my system. and i woke up this morning thinking i was going to have a bad day because i'd be late for school.

and i woke up this morning thinking i was going to have a bad day because i'd be late for school.

It's strange how we get caught up in petty worries, and then when something like this happens, it kinda puts things into perspective- at least for the moment.

It's strange how we get caught up in petty worries, and then when something like this happens, it kinda puts things into perspective- at least for the moment.


You can say that again. Although, I've always kept that at the front of my mind since 9/11. I watched so many hours of those tragic stories that I don't take anything for granted anymore. I make sure I tell people how much they mean to me and all that. I know that sounds corny, but I've got my reasons as I've lost people under horrible circumstances that couldn't be changed.
Its especially rough when you're young because you do have a sense of immortality more than you do when you're older.

I make sure I tell people how much they mean to me and all that. I know that sounds corny,

I don't know whether that sounds corny. To me, it makes perfect sense. If this tragic story Saftey Pin has shared with us has any meaning/lesson, it's that anybody can be taken from us at any time. Why not tell them how much they mean to you? You may not get another chance.

You go ahead and be corny, all you like, girl! I'm afraid I don't tell my loved ones "I love you" anywhere near enough. And that's not a thing to brag about.

:( That is so sad. And I can feel that unreal feeling you're talking about; it's terrible. I felt the same way when I got an email telling me a friend of mine was killed in a car accident.

If the school brings in grief councelors, go talk to one. Maybe it'll help you go back to choir without crying as much. :) Hang in there. :hug:

there is NOTHING more inconsiderate than driving drunk. i was reading stories a little while ago in chicken soup for the teenage soul about losing loved ones in car accidents. it disgusts me so many people do it. thank god it wasn't the case here. on top of being shocked and depressed, i'd be furious.

:yeahthat I'll never understand drunk drivers. They have to be some of the dumbest humans on Earth. Call a friggin cab. pissed:

If this tragic story Saftey Pin has shared with us has any meaning/lesson, it's that anybody can be taken from us at any time.
That's exactly the whole concept i got out of this. i know not to take what you have for granted, but i never fully realized that anyone can be taken from you at any time. luckily i have no regrets whatsoever, and i'm so glad she knew that i cared about her. you can never know when the last time you'll ever see someone will be. it could be 5 minutes from now, it could be in 40 years, but you can't assume the latter. one of your loved ones could be dying right now. i can still hear my teacher announcing "karen williams was killed last night" in my head. for the first few seconds i just thought "no she wasn't." i keep thinking of the idea of her being gone forever, and sort of subconsciously thinking it's just temporary and she'll be back tomorrow. at this very moment, i still can't drill it into my head that she's NOT coming back.

it's also weird thinking that i won't be seeing her backpack again. it was made entirely out of crime scene tape. it made her stand out.

im very very sorry for your loss sarah you can pm me if you need to talk you will be in my prayers

la

That's so sad. :( I'm so sorry to hear of your loss.

God Sarah, I feel so bad for you being up in the middle of the night and all and not being able to sleep. I think you should see a counsellor. It may help. You have such great memories of her - put them down on paper or in a journal as a tribute to her. I love that idea of her backpack! She does sound like someone with a really good sense of humor!
I'm glad you got the chance to make sure she knew how much she meant to you. That is comforting at this time. I had a fight with my father three weeks before he died suddenly of a heart attack and never did get a chance to make up or tell him that I loved him no matter what. I carried the guilt around with me for years. At least I learned my lessen young and have carried that with me all my life, 9/11 just reinforced it.
It's good that you're talking this through on the boards though. That's what your friends here are for.

Oh goodness Sarah, I seem a bit late on this, but I am so, so sorry... I can't imagine what you are going through right now. My thoughts are with you and her family.

I'm very sorry Sarah :(. My thoughts and prayers are with you and her family.

I'm so sorry. :(

Did your friend's sister, Kaylyn die too? The latest account has her still alive. I hope she is alive and that the previous newspaper had it wrong.

Did your friend's sister, Kaylyn die too? The latest account has her still alive. I hope she is alive and that the previous newspaper had it wrong.
The first newspaper also had her sister and neice's last name different. So who knows.

I'm sorry Sarah :(

I'm so sorry that happened. I hope her family will be OK. :(

I was in this guy with choir for a few years and he also died in a car accident. Except this was the year after he graduated. He was only 19 and a lot of people from the high school came to his funeral and our choir even sang at his funeral. It was really sad. I wasn't friends with him, but I knew him.

The first newspaper also had her sister and neice's last name different. So who knows.
Yeah, that's crazy, but to report someone's death is very irresponsible.

If I were her parents, I'd be very angry. On top of their grief, they have to deal with bogus reports of their other daughter dying as well. I'm sure they knew she didn't die, but other people read that stuff.

What's the name of the newspaper Sarah?

Yeah, that's crazy, but to report someone's death is very irresponsible.

If I were her parents, I'd be very angry. On top of their grief, they have to deal with bogus reports of their other daughter dying as well. I'm sure they knew she didn't die, but other people read that stuff.

What's the name of the newspaper Sarah?

What the heck...I went searching news articles online and I can't find a thing. All I found was about 2 rollover accidents down there on the 1st.

What the heck...I went searching news articles online and I can't find a thing. All I found was about 2 rollover accidents down there on the 1st.
You have to look *really* hard for it. It's in the archives now. The name of the newspaper is Eastern Arizona Courier.

http://www.eacourier.com/articles/2005/05/03/update/tuesday/news01.txt

You have to look *really* hard for it. It's in the archives now. The name of the newspaper is Eastern Arizona Courier.

http://www.eacourier.com/articles/2005/05/03/update/tuesday/news01.txt

:rolleyes: Already in the archives, yet I found an article about a 74 year old man skydiving.

Did your friend's sister, Kaylyn die too? The latest account has her still alive. I hope she is alive and that the previous newspaper had it wrong.
I got an update today that kalynn IS alive. i don't know where it came from that she wasn't, but false rumors should be expected in a case like this. she and her neice are still unconscious and her older sister (amanda) is awake now.

:rolleyes: Already in the archives, yet I found an article about a 74 year old man skydiving.


I know - you think with that bad an accident, the story would run longer - when stuff like this happens in my area, it makes headlines for weeks - interviews with family, friends, etc..

I couldn't find it anywhere either - only that rollover like you.

Thanks for the link. I'll keep trying other sources. I'm interested now - want to find out more. :(

I know - you think with that bad an accident, the story would run longer - when stuff like this happens in my area, it makes headlines for weeks - interviews with family, friends, etc..

I couldn't find it anywhere either - only that rollover like you.

Thanks for the link. I'll keep trying other sources. I'm interested now - want to find out more. :(

Sad to think that fatal accidents are so commonplace that it's not news anymore.

:rolleyes: Already in the archives, yet I found an article about a 74 year old man skydiving.
:lol: ok that made me laugh.

yeah that's the newspaper i read it in. "Man killed by train behind Thriftee" was a more emphasized headline though. that has to be insanely disturbing.

God Sarah, I feel so bad for you being up in the middle of the night and all and not being able to sleep. I think you should see a counsellor. It may help. You have such great memories of her - put them down on paper or in a journal as a tribute to her. I love that idea of her backpack! She does sound like someone with a really good sense of humor!
I'm glad you got the chance to make sure she knew how much she meant to you. That is comforting at this time. I had a fight with my father three weeks before he died suddenly of a heart attack and never did get a chance to make up or tell him that I loved him no matter what. I carried the guilt around with me for years. At least I learned my lessen young and have carried that with me all my life, 9/11 just reinforced it.
It's good that you're talking this through on the boards though. That's what your friends here are for.
yep. in choir today we wrote letters to her family about memories with her, etc. i wrote just about everything i've posted in this thread. we spent most of the time just sitting in a circle and crying. it was sad looking at everyone else. we also listened to a song she'd said that she wanted played at her funeral.

Sad to think that fatal accidents are so commonplace that it's not news anymore.


REALLY! I remember when the case that In Cold Blood was based on was incredibly horrendous - made headlines for ages, then the book and movie of course. Now - its only the local community that it seems to affect. Pretty sad that life just doesn't seem to have the same value.

yep. in choir today we wrote letters to her family about memories with her, etc. i wrote just about everything i've posted in this thread. we spent most of the time just sitting in a circle and crying. it was sad looking at everyone else. we also listened to a song she'd said that she wanted played at her funeral.

That's exactly what I thought would happen. I had a friend just out of highschool who was murdered. Beaten to death by his sister's fiance. Even though he was no longer a student, they still did that sort of thing with us since so many kids still knew him.

Unfortunately, there was a guy who hung himself and had been a current student. The school wouldn't acknowledge it at all because they felt by doing so, it might actually promote others to do the same. Who knows, maybe they had a point if some other kid was on the verge ~ but we were still pretty mad because he had been a really good, popular student.

I'm glad they did that - all of this is very important in the grieving process - it really helps to talk (especially for females). Do you know when the funeral is? Do you plan on attending?

Is your avatar a picture of her Sarah?

I'm so sorry Sarah.

What a horrible thing to happen. I'm very, very sorry Sarah...I hope you can come to terms with it soon. It's brave of you even to come here and talk about it - I probably wouldn't be able to if the same thing happened to me.

yep. in choir today we wrote letters to her family about memories with her, etc. i wrote just about everything i've posted in this thread. we spent most of the time just sitting in a circle and crying. it was sad looking at everyone else. we also listened to a song she'd said that she wanted played at her funeral.

awwwww thats what we did last week in English we wrote letters to the families and then shared our own experiences with death to try to help each other out. it was so tragic yet amazing to see the kids in our school come together and be there for each other. I miss them so much :(


the counselors are pretty much *******s though....they told us to put our emotions somewhere else :rolleyes: it was better therapy for me writing a poem/song and being with friends

the counselors are pretty much *******s though....they told us to put our emotions somewhere else :rolleyes: it was better therapy for me writing a poem/song and being with friends


I agree - that's why I suggested putting on music and just writing. That's about the ONLY time I really do get into writing - when I'm REALLY sad.

I think it should be up to the individual - whatever works for them - as long as they do get it out. It's not good or healthy to hold it in though.

the counselors are pretty much *******s though....they told us to put our emotions somewhere else :rolleyes: it was better therapy for me writing a poem/song and being with friends



Agh I can't believe they said that. That is so inconsiderate. I would never be able to talk to a counsler I agree that writing a poem or song is better for me atleast you open up more and another plus is you have a nice piece of poetry to go along with it. :D

It makes me sad seeing that girl in your av, Sarah, knowing that she died. I can only imagine how you feel. This is really terrible and it's just not fair that people have to die so damn young. 3 kids in the beginning of this school year died in car accidents, all seperate ones. It's scary and I only hope that you and everyone else that knew her will get through it alright.

Is your avatar a picture of her Sarah?
Yeah, it is. Sarah posted a link to Karen's MySpace page and that same pic is on there.

Yeah, it is. Sarah posted a link to Karen's MySpace page and that same pic is on there.


Oh - o.k. - thanks - I tried last night but couldn't get through. I'll bet there was just too much traffic there. I'll try again though.

the counselors are pretty much *******s though....they told us to put our emotions somewhere else :rolleyes:

Hey, just bury them! They'll never come back to bother you ever again.

:bash:

I'm sorry sarah, I know how hard it is to deal with deaths to friends, and how this affects the school and rest of the community. My prayers go out to you, your friends, and her family

I thought this might be appropriate for this. As sappy as it might sound, this is how I try to live my life now.

http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/Flash/Think_It_Over.swf

I thought this might be appropriate for this. As sappy as it might sound, this is how I try to live my life now.

http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/Flash/Think_It_Over.swf
that's interesting. thanks for posting it. that's kind of how i am when i'm grieving over something, i don't limit myself to anything. it really relates to this situation too.

the funeral is expected to be on the 14th, by the way. i'll definitely be going, otherwise i'll have an empty feeling. everything is pretty much back to normal in choir. we rehearsed the choereography yesterday, and it felt kind of weird because i had to stand around karen most of the time. it's so weird how she was JUST here on monday, and she's gone now.

that's interesting. thanks for posting it. that's kind of how i am when i'm grieving over something, i don't limit myself to anything. it really relates to this situation too.

the funeral is expected to be on the 14th, by the way. i'll definitely be going, otherwise i'll have an empty feeling. everything is pretty much back to normal in choir. we rehearsed the choereography yesterday, and it felt kind of weird because i had to stand around karen most of the time. it's so weird how she was JUST here on monday, and she's gone now.


Yeah I know that empty feeling. It sucks - just has to fade with time. Then you'll find you just remember the good times. I hate it when they hold off that long for a funeral (they have to though). It seems to drag out the grieving all the more. You'll probably feel better after it though.
Nice that she had good friends in her life. May have been short, but hopefully a happy one.

Even though I don't know you or your friend that died, my condolences to you and to your friend's family. It's tradgic when you suddenly loose someone suddenly. I would know, I lost my boyfriend to an unexpected death ten years ago. :(

laa

i'm really sorry sarah, i know how it feels to lose a friend :sad:

if you ever need anything, you can PM me

i thought i'd post this update for those interested, it was in the newspaper a few weeks ago.

Wow. Those girls are very lucky.