http://www.kcentv.com/news/c-article.php?cid=1&nid=6924

I came across the link above this message. It is a recent article (dated April 28, 2005) on the disappearance of Elizabeth Ann Campbell. The article acknowledges that April 25 marked the seventeenth anniversary of her disappearance.

For those of you who are unfamiliar with the case, Elizabeth Campbell was a young Korean woman who disappeared from Coppreas Cove, Texas, on April 25, 1988. In the UM segment that aired in the fall of 1989, there were interviews with eyewitnesses who claimed to have spotted her in the company of an Asian man. One convenience store worker noticed that the man in question was holding her by the wrist. It was very obvious that she wasn't with this man willingly.

When the segment was later rerun on Lifetime, an update was added. The update mentioned that Elizabeth Campbell's purse had been found. It was discovered in west Texas, 180 miles from Coppreas Cove.

I feel sad when I think about this case, especially after reading the new article. Admittedly, her mother Son Campbell, has been unable to pack up Elizabeth's clothes, because it would mean that Elizabeth is really gone. :(

Needless to say, regardless of the fact that Elizabeth has been missing for 17 years, her family hasn't given up looking for her. Like everyone else in their situation, they deserve answers.

Here's her Doe Network profile:

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/113dftx.html

Thanks for the heads up Kane.

You can just feel the agony her mother, Son, is still going through after all these years. The video accompanying the article, showed a composite sketch of a possible suspect, boy what an odd and frightening character! :eek:

As long as there is someone still looking for her, there's always hope.

The Doe Network site is now http://www.doenetwork.org/

See Case File 113DFTX

Yes, the not knowing is the worst part. At least if they knew for certain that she was dead, they could have some peace. I feel so sorry for the Campbell family. I hope one day they will find the answers.

not sure if the doenetwork is still online, but i just watched this story for the first time on unsolved mysteries. i'd be curious if the ice witness @ the ice-cream store was considered realiable. something struck me as being "odd" about someone kidnapping this young woman then taking her for ice-cream.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2010/03/elizabeth-ann-campbell.html

I don’t mean to sound so cold hearted by are Elizabeth’s parents still alive?

this is the last report (http://www.lampasasdispatchrecord.com/news/2011-04-12/News/Search_for_Elizabeth_Campbell_continues.html) of that case that i saw and it doesn't mention either parents being deceased so i'm hoping they're still around

I think I'm in the minority, but I don't believe the Asian woman seen with the controlling Asian man was Elizabeth. I just don't see how an abductor would take his captive out in public for some ice cream.

I think I'm in the minority, but I don't believe the Asian woman seen with the controlling Asian man was Elizabeth. I just don't see how an abductor would take his captive out in public for some ice cream.

I'm normally leery of eyewitness sightings, but weren't there 3 different sightings of her and they all said basically the same thing? That might give it more crediblity.

Then again, I always thought it unlikely that the supposed abductor didn't take her out of state.

i thought TheCars1986 was joking. he basically repeated what i first said.

also, anyone notice that the actor who portrayed the kidnapper in this case was the actor daniel dae kim from lost?

i thought TheCars1986 was joking. he basically repeated what i first said.

also, anyone notice that the actor who portrayed the kidnapper in this case was the actor daniel dae kim from lost?

I wasn't joking, I just agree with your thoughts. I've echoed them in previous threads. And Daniel Dae Kim was in a UM segment, but it wasn't this one.

okay. i apologize then. i thought it was a light-hearted remark

Daniel Dae Kim was in the segment about the husband and wife who opened a store in Brooklyn, and the wife was found in a dumpster. He played the brother or friend of the husband helping search.

Two angles. First, she was either killed immediately, and her purse was abandoned far from where the body is. The only way this can be supported is that Texas is huge, and it would take a long time for a body to be discovered.

Two, if the eyewitnesses are correct, we have two possibilities: one is misidentification, and the other is kidnapping. Misidentification is possible. It wouldn't be unusual to see a much older Asian guy who hold a woman above the wrist and controlling her that way depending on the region. I've known older Chinese men to do exactly that. Further, her overlapping tooth isn't necessary for a positive identification. I've known several girls who had an overlapping tooth, and many of them (for whatever reason) happened to be Asian.

"Speaking a language I could not understand" was said by the gas station clerk, and it's meaningless. The only language she could have known was Korean, and it's doubtful she knew it very well. (Unless there is a large Asian community present, which in small town Texas in the 80s, there almost certainly wasn't, first generations seem to have a hard time knowing an Asian language. Further complicated by having a white father, she was probably assimilated in ways that a lot of people of those family backgrounds are unless there is a broader Asian community to link with. But that's unlikely, since her boyfriend was a white hick type.) So I agree with the police on that matter.

So where is she now? She was either killed immediately, or she has been forced into prostitution (human trafficking).

The problem with the latter angle simply stems from its means of socialization. The story would go that some guy, who happened to be Asian (probably less than 2% of the population at the time), happened to be driving by, saw her at a gas station at night, and determined "I'm going to force her into prostitution." Partly why human trafficking works so well is that victims often don't speak the language of their work place, they never leave their home unless on assignment (hence why the ice cream angle doesn't hold), and they're often foreigners in something far more organized. Pimps and hustlers don't make more money by kidnapping American girls. They make money by suckering Euros (or other places) from poor countries, taking their IDs and passports, and putting them in a brothel. I just don't see the human trafficking angle, because doing such a thing (abducting her) would draw unnecessary attention to an industry that doesn't need anymore attention than it gets.

I just think she was kidnapped, none of the sightings hold (having more to do with cultural ignorance than being critical), and she was killed shortly thereafter. She was disposed somewhere in the Texas countryside, which again is massive, and her bones are probably all over the place due to animals.

Her purse was found in Ozona, Texas, which has a population of less than 4,000 people in a county that only has one city (Ozona). That's a ton of unexplored space. I might add too that the Asian population was less than 1%. An interstate and a lot of highways are nearby. So it's a transient county, meaning the guy was bypassing - not a sign of a human trafficker but a kidnapper and killer.



A very sad case, really. I feel terrible for her parents in ways that I don't for others. You can tell she was genuinely loved, but it was her poor sense of judgment that did her in by waiting near a gas station miles away from her boyfriend's place. Just tragic...

Two angles. First, she was either killed immediately, and her purse was abandoned far from where the body is. The only way this can be supported is that Texas is huge, and it would take a long time for a body to be discovered.

Two, if the eyewitnesses are correct, we have two possibilities: one is misidentification, and the other is kidnapping. Misidentification is possible. It wouldn't be unusual to see a much older Asian guy who hold a woman above the wrist and controlling her that way depending on the region. I've known older Chinese men to do exactly that. Further, her overlapping tooth isn't necessary for a positive identification. I've known several girls who had an overlapping tooth, and many of them (for whatever reason) happened to be Asian.

"Speaking a language I could not understand" was said by the gas station clerk, and it's meaningless. The only language she could have known was Korean, and it's doubtful she knew it very well. (Unless there is a large Asian community present, which in small town Texas in the 80s, there almost certainly wasn't, first generations seem to have a hard time knowing an Asian language. Further complicated by having a white father, she was probably assimilated in ways that a lot of people of those family backgrounds are unless there is a broader Asian community to link with. But that's unlikely, since her boyfriend was a white hick type.) So I agree with the police on that matter.

So where is she now? She was either killed immediately, or she has been forced into prostitution (human trafficking).

The problem with the latter angle simply stems from its means of socialization. The story would go that some guy, who happened to be Asian (probably less than 2% of the population at the time), happened to be driving by, saw her at a gas station at night, and determined "I'm going to force her into prostitution." Partly why human trafficking works so well is that victims often don't speak the language of their work place, they never leave their home unless on assignment (hence why the ice cream angle doesn't hold), and they're often foreigners in something far more organized. Pimps and hustlers don't make more money by kidnapping American girls. They make money by suckering Euros (or other places) from poor countries, taking their IDs and passports, and putting them in a brothel. I just don't see the human trafficking angle, because doing such a thing (abducting her) would draw unnecessary attention to an industry that doesn't need anymore attention than it gets.

I just think she was kidnapped, none of the sightings hold (having more to do with cultural ignorance than being critical), and she was killed shortly thereafter. She was disposed somewhere in the Texas countryside, which again is massive, and her bones are probably all over the place due to animals.

Her purse was found in Ozona, Texas, which has a population of less than 4,000 people in a county that only has one city (Ozona). That's a ton of unexplored space. I might add too that the Asian population was less than 1%. An interstate and a lot of highways are nearby. So it's a transient county, meaning the guy was bypassing - not a sign of a human trafficker but a kidnapper and killer.



A very sad case, really. I feel terrible for her parents in ways that I don't for others. You can tell she was genuinely loved, but it was her poor sense of judgment that did her in by waiting near a gas station miles away from her boyfriend's place. Just tragic...
This doesn't make sense (what I bolded in your statement).

And there is no way you could know how much Korean Elizabeth did or did not know. Let alone how she was raised. You're making assumptions about her heritage without any basis for your conclusions.

And human bones don't travel all over the place because of animals. If that was the case no one would be found ever.

This doesn't make sense (what I bolded in your statement).

And there is no way you could know how much Korean Elizabeth did or did not know. Let alone how she was raised. You're making assumptions about her heritage without any basis for your conclusions.

And human bones don't travel all over the place because of animals. If that was the case no one would be found ever.

Poking holes in Francium's arguments is generally like shooting fish in a barrel.

Poking holes in Francium's arguments is generally like shooting fish in a barrel.

Thanks for the 3-minute belly laugh.

Their posts remind me of the crap that's spewed on Democratic Underground.

Thanks for the 3-minute belly laugh.

Their posts remind me of the crap that's spewed on Democratic Underground.
Great username my friend. I think it fits. :lol:

Her purse was found in Ozona, Texas, which has a population of less than 4,000 people in a county that only has one city (Ozona). That's a ton of unexplored space. I might add too that the Asian population was less than 1%. An interstate and a lot of highways are nearby.

I might be way off here, but the place where her purse was turned in, does not necessarily mean that's where it was located. It is possible it was found somewhere else, he/she thought about keeping it but then developed a conscience and turned it in where-ever he/she was located at the time (in this case, the Crocket County Sheriff's Department). I might be way off, but IMHO it is possible.

This episode always fascinated me. I have always thought that her boyfriend had something to do with it. They got into an argument before she left. He was last person to see/talk to her. Anyone else agree?

This episode always fascinated me. I have always thought that her boyfriend had something to do with it. They got into an argument before she left. He was last person to see/talk to her. Anyone else agree?

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you, but there is one variable in this case that make me think the boyfriend is not involved. Apparently there was a study group at his house that night (UM doesn't mention this, but the CP page does). So there would have been witnesses. It wasn't just the two of them alone. Additionally, we can feel pretty confident that she made it to the 7-11 since a clerk spotted her there.

I feel that this was a stranger abduction and there was a lot of unfortunate timing involved.

Just to talk about how much Korean Elizabeth knew, according to CP she knew "a few" words. I only bring this up because of the alleged convenience store sighting, which I think was unlikely to have involved Elizabeth at all. Firstly, if she only knew a few words I don't know how the man would carry a conversation with her in Korean, but most telling of all is that a kidnapper would be very unlikely to bring her out in public. It's been done before (I'm thinking of Shasta Groene, the sole survivor of her family who was kidnapped, but she was a child). How likely is it a kidnapper would allow his adult captive to do this? Highly unlikely. Sadly, I think this was mistaken identity and that the girl seen just looked like Elizabeth.

I think the boyfriend made a huge mistake not giving her a ride home when she requested one (both from the store and when at the study group), but he wasn't involved. Wiseguy, I believe you're correct this was just very unfortunate timing. :(

Just to talk about how much Korean Elizabeth knew, according to CP she knew "a few" words. I only bring this up because of the alleged convenience store sighting, which I think was unlikely to have involved Elizabeth at all. Firstly, if she only knew a few words I don't know how the man would carry a conversation with her in Korean, but most telling of all is that a kidnapper would be very unlikely to bring her out in public. It's been done before (I'm thinking of Shasta Groene, the sole survivor of her family who was kidnapped, but she was a child). How likely is it a kidnapper would allow his adult captive to do this? Highly unlikely. Sadly, I think this was mistaken identity and that the girl seen just looked like Elizabeth.

I think the boyfriend made a huge mistake not giving her a ride home when she requested one (both from the store and when at the study group), but he wasn't involved. Wiseguy, I believe you're correct this was just very unfortunate timing. :(

I agree. I've never thought the woman seen was Elizabeth. I know kidnapped victims are brainwashed over a period of time, but these sightings happened months, IIRC, after Elizabeth disappeared. She had a perfect opportunity to seek help (if indeed the woman really was Elizabeth), yet she didn't.

I think I'm in the minority, but I don't believe the Asian woman seen with the controlling Asian man was Elizabeth. I just don't see how an abductor would take his captive out in public for some ice cream.

Yes on paper it doesnt make sense on first site but from cases of kidnapping people to be held as sex slaves or just slaves I have seen it does make some sense. At first the kidnapper will keep their hostage held & deprive them of food, light etc, tie them up all day and repeatedly rape them as that lady said in the documentary ........once the captive has been stripped of their resistance, identity and brainwashed they will start to develop Stockholm sysndrome like Patty Hearst and Elizabeth Smart .

Once the victim has Stockholm syndrome the abductor will gradually start to see this and then develop some trust of the victim after which the victim will start to be "rewarded" for good behavior and such rewards will include , no longer being tied up and caged all day, being given better food and water, the reduction of brutal rape etc and eventually when the abductor feels they can trust their victim not to try and escape they will reward the victim by for example letting them out of the house , then take them somewhere public under close supervision and eventually the kidnapper will take the victim public and not hold them close and even let them go into a store alone while waiting for them outside ,or even take them to a restaurant as a reward .... kinda like how the sightings of Elizabeth in the months that followed her disappearance first had her being held closely by the man then later he trusted her enough to let her go into the store alone , if we are to believe the witness sightings

something similar happened with Elizabeth Smart, possibly Anthonette Cayedito , the woman kidnapped and held captive by Cameron Hooker many years ago.......because of such cases I feel its quite possible that the mysterious asian man could have taken his kidnap victim for ice cream as a reward for being a "good girl" for example......while I am not 100% sure the woman was Elizabeth, the way the woman seen behaved and was held suggests a master - slave relationship and taking her for ice cream was conditioning of the slave through giving them rewards for their obedience to the master ........

Jacee Dugard is another good example. She was held captive for two decades and over all those years, was left alone many times. She had countless opportunities to easily escape and she never tried. it's common for abductors to put the fear of GOD into you (usually with threats towards your family and loved ones) if you try to escape despite being left alone, despite opportunities to run when you're in public. That fear holds you back.

I can imagine that happening with Elizabeth. It was said that before she disappeared, she was a very shy girl with few friends and rarely could be away from her parents for very long. She was very sheltered. An abductor would be able to subdue her with no problem.

I never thought the sighting of the Asian man and woman had anything to do with the sex trade, personally. I kind of always got the impression this was an actual couple, or even relatives.

I never thought the sighting of the Asian man and woman had anything to do with the sex trade, personally. I kind of always got the impression this was an actual couple, or even relatives.

Me too.

Wasn't Elizabeth's purse found scattered on a highway a couple of months after she disappeared? I think that's an indicator that she was abducted and unfortunately murdered.

I never thought the sighting of the Asian man and woman had anything to do with the sex trade, personally. I kind of always got the impression this was an actual couple, or even relatives.

Yes while there is nothing to suggest a link to the sex trade , its is possible that the woman could have been being held as a sex slave specifically for that man. People like Elizabeth Smart`s abductor, Cameron Hooker and men who do this sort thing tend to have desires for their own personal sex slave who will indulge them in all their "needs" so to speak , the demeanor of that man and woman based on witness accounts would to me suggest more likelihood of them being a couple than relatives ....

What intrigues me is why the police thought that woman couldnt have been Elizabeth .......

Wasn't Elizabeth's purse found scattered on a highway a couple of months after she disappeared? I think that's an indicator that she was abducted and unfortunately murdered.

Yes. I strongly think this is probably what happened, as opposed to her being kidnapped and forced into a human trafficking situation.

The purse ended up forgotten for years in an evidence room way out in Ozana Texas. Unfortunately no one remembers the circumstances of how it arrived there. Ozana would be along one route to I-10 and El Paso from the Fort Hood/Kileen/Cove area. I've driven that route quite a few times myself and it's rather desolate compared to I-35 between Waco and Austin.

This case had always interested me. I guess as a kid I remember the story because Elizabeth was, like me, half Korean. I also used to live in Copperas Cove, the town where she disappeared from when I was stationed at Fort Hood.

I have a feeling that the Asian couple is unrelated. Some Asian cultures have (and especially HAD) rather dated attitudes towards women and treatment which would appear rough or cold to a Westerner would be unremarkable in some segments of some Asian cultures. The eyewitness was fairly sure and I was impressed that she remembered the tooth overlap.

I don't think the sightings can be immediately discredited. The one that gets me is the one where the cashier said the man forced a $20 out of his wad of cash with one hand (an action that would normally require the use of two hands), while holding the lady by the wrist with the other. That just doesn't seem...normal.

I don’t mean to sound so cold hearted by are Elizabeth’s parents still alive?

The CP page says that her parents are still alive, but elderly and in poor health. That was from at least a few years ago though. Her parents looked kind of old in the segment, and they'd be 25 years older now.

The eyewitness accounts are hard for me to square for a few reasons.

The first was in Waco 6 days after she vanished. Waco is about 45 minutes away from Copperas Cove. Where was Liz during the 6 days?
Then someone claimed to have seen her back in Copperas Cove just a few miles from her home in Lampasas. In fact I know the exact store this is and it is right on the western edge of Cove in the direction of Lampasas and is not the same store in Copperas Cove where she was last seen.
She was also seen in Garland, about 2.5 hours away from Cove, over 2 months later.

Her parents were searching all over central Texas for her during the intervening time. I find it hard to believe that she was moving in public in CenTex all the while her folks were looking for her in the same area.

Also if I were going to kidnap someone for whatever reason I would not take them out casually for an ice cream if I had to take her out at all. I can't square that. I find it more likely that the witnesses are mistaken and they saw an unrelated Asian couple, possibly in a fight or like I point out, there could be cultural factors that may influence their behavior and the perception of the witnesses.

We know that the purse ended up in Ozana. Ozana is in as opposite as you can get in direction from the Garland/Waco areas. This is something that we know.

I am sorry I haven't been keeping updates or online here to inform what was going on or not. Since the 3rd investigator Lieutenant Austin had retired due to terminal illness, which eventually has taken his life . . . brain cancer. I have tried to work with the new investigator who had taken over Elizabeth's case. He has told me he was going to start from the night Elizabeth had disappeared to present day. I could never get a hold of him through calling and leaving either some voice-mails or emails. On February 7th, 2015, a cold case was active and two new Detective and Corporal had come to my parents' house and informed them that they will be handling Elizabeth's case. They have truly shown their words are authentic. They been going back from Day 1 and questioning everyone who was the last person who has seen Elizabeth that morning and night before she went missing. My family and I are finally happy that we are seeing results being done. On 1988 April 25th, we did not feel we were getting the provided help to find Elizabeth. All we were getting was more word of mouth and no actions. It is sad that in almost 27 years, three different times when Elizabeth’s case was handed over to a different investigator(s), they were doing the work which the 1st investigator never had done for years when he was in charge of my sister’s case. I pray that now we get results and answers soon. Mainly I pray that our mom and dad finally can have their daughter back home and all can begin to heal within.

Sister of Elizabeth (MoonBug)

I sincerely hope your family gets closure on Elizabeth's appearance.
I knew Danny Austin and he tried. The new investigators hopefully turn up something.
What has bothered me from the start of this is the fact that the abductor's sketch certainly didn't resemble an Asian. This guy could have been a soldier or recently discharged soldier from Fort Hood. Maybe have known your father at one time (been in the same unit), or possibly was in classes with your sister at CTC.

This case bothers me. Watched the segment on Elizabeth today and I think the sightings are case of misidentification.

I had never seen this case until recently. I want to believe the eyewitness accounts since there were quite a few, all of which, say similar things about the man and woman that they saw. But ultimately, I just cant believe that a captor would take his victim out in public for ice cream or anything for that matter. I believe Elizabeth is likely dead, sadly. Most likely right after she was abducted. If she wasn't killed immediately then my guess is, she was sold into sexual slavery. I am from Texas but not the part where she disappeared from. Seems awfully weird for sex trafficking to be originating from such a small, desolate area, but stranger things have happened.

Isn't Copperas Cove close to Killeen? If there is any merit to the sex trafficking angle, this WAS the 80s and Elizabeth was living in close proximity to one of the Army's largest posts in the U.S.

Copperas Cove is just one town over from Killeen. My husband and I lived there when he was in the Army. I'm not sure about the trafficking angle but back in the early 2000's when we lived there, Killeen had high crime rate. Scary town.

I'm absolutely stunned that this case has gotten so little attention on this forum.

With that said, I am of the belief that she ended up being the victim of foul play and was more than likely killed on the very night she disappeared. I think it's completely within the realm of possibility that a random stranger saw her upset after talking to her boyfriend on the payphone and offered her a ride. She was distraught and likely desperate for a ride home so if a random attacker seemed friendly enough at first, I could easily see her getting into the car with him.

I believe she was the victim of a sexual assault and then murdered. The killer did a good job of hiding the body since she still hasn't been found nearly 30 years later. Perhaps somewhere near the vicinity of where her purse was found. Maybe the killer buried her and while driving away from the scene noticed her purse was still in the car and simply discarded it by throwing it out the window or something. Why double back just to bury a purse when the bulk of the "dirty work" had been done?

If her remains are ever discovered, it wouldn't surprise me if any DNA found on her body matches up with a known offender in the CODIS database.

I believe the eyewitnesses might have genuinely thought they saw Elizabeth, but I don't think it was actually her. Caucasian eyewitnesses misidentifying an Asian person wouldn't be the most unlikely thing to have ever happened. I feel that the sightings actually did happen, but they were of a completely different person.

I'm absolutely stunned that this case has gotten so little attention on this forum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

Only reason I can think of. Elizabeth's disappearance is definitely messed up.

I watched this segment tonight, and my first thought was she could've been a victim of Kenneth McDuff. But he wasn't released until 1989 from prison. Was there any other serial killers going around centex then?

I watched this segment tonight, and my first thought was she could've been a victim of Kenneth McDuff. But he wasn't released until 1989 from prison. Was there any other serial killers going around centex then?

I am dead serious when I say this: I immediately looked up McDuff's release date upon watching this segment earlier tonight. However, he's off the hook on this one since he was still locked up when she disappeared.

I wonder where Angela Hammond's abductor was on this night. Both girls disappeared from pay phones and were never found.

That's an interesting observation!

I double checked that Henry Lee Lucas was locked up by then ( he was). Although I did discover he killed his mom in the town next door to where my boyfriend grew up in( about an hour away from where I live!)

Great minds think alike!

I'm absolutely stunned that this case has gotten so little attention on this forum.

I think it's more to do with how many times certain segments got reran. The more it was reran, the more people would comment on it. Star Palumbo, Natasha Jennings, Kristi Gunderson, and Selena Edon are among the cases that I believe to be "underrated" on the forum. I just think it's because they weren't shown as frequently. And I could've sworn there was a much larger Elizabeth Campbell thread. I'm going to go look.

ETA: Found this (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=296920&page=4&highlight=elizabeth+campbell) one, which has interesting stuff starting on page 3. This (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=176558&highlight=elizabeth+campbell) one too.

Interesting that the children of the night portion featured on the segment from Amazon I had never seen on the other segments I've seen on other various platforms. I wonder why this was edited out of them?

Isn't Copperas Cove close to Killeen? If there is any merit to the sex trafficking angle, this WAS the 80s and Elizabeth was living in close proximity to one of the Army's largest posts in the U.S.


Yes it is, I am from West (the town)

Cove, Killeen and Ft Hood are all right together. Shady Place..
From Killeen it takes 1hr and 25 min to get to West.

The segment on Amazon has no
Update about her purse being found

I used to drive from El Paso to San Antonio regularly and id pass by Ozona. There's nothing but desert on that drive. If she was murdered, the killer could've dumped her body in the desert & no body would find her. From Ozona to El Paso there's really nothing. (Which is why I hated the drive) such a lonely road & you lose cell phone reception in some areas

The segment on Amazon has no
Update about her purse being found


Neither did the Farina episode that I saw on Escape this afternoon.

Not buying into the sightings-would you really march your kidnap victim around to various stores clenching her wrist & ordering her not look or talk at anybody? Just sounds like a possessive idiot with his girlfriend. Sadly she was either abducted or hitched a ride after the call to her boyfriend? One assumes the police were able to get hold of the record of incoming calls to his house from the phone company & confirm his story that she actually called him?

Sadly she was either abducted or hitched a ride after the call to her boyfriend? One assumes the police were able to get hold of the record of incoming calls to his house from the phone company & confirm his story that she actually called him?

There's some bad luck attributed to the time in this case. If you go to any 7-11 in the country today, there's bound to be security cameras aimed inside and outside the store. Not so much in 1988. According to the Charley Project, it wasn't exactly as we saw in the reenactment. She did call her boyfriend to come pick her up, got in another fight with him and hung up but it was from inside the 7-11. (The employees let her use their phone.) When things didn't work out with the boyfriend, she decided to call her brother to pick her up. He lived 30 miles away and she didn't want to make a 'long distance' call on the employee phone so she went outside to use the payphone.

No sources say if the brother received the call (most likely he didn't) but phone records and security cameras - if they had them - would have shown if she attempted to make the call. Cameras also would have shown if she left with someone or on her own. Again, bad timing.

I'd be shocked if she tried to hitch a ride with a stranger. And being abducted from the 7-11 parking lot, even without cameras, would be a risk with employees just 20 something feet away.

There's some bad luck attributed to the time in this case. If you go to any 7-11 in the country today, there's bound to be security cameras aimed inside and outside the store. Not so much in 1988. According to the Charley Project, it wasn't exactly as we saw in the reenactment. She did call her boyfriend to come pick her up, got in another fight with him and hung up but it was from inside the 7-11. (The employees let her use their phone.) When things didn't work out with the boyfriend, she decided to call her brother to pick her up. He lived 30 miles away and she didn't want to make a 'long distance' call on the employee phone so she went outside to use the payphone.

No sources say if the brother received the call (most likely he didn't) but phone records and security cameras - if they had them - would have shown if she attempted to make the call. Cameras also would have shown if she left with someone or on her own. Again, bad timing.

I'd be shocked if she tried to hitch a ride with a stranger. And being abducted from the 7-11 parking lot, even without cameras, would be a risk with employees just 20 something feet away.

Good info, seems odd she would call her brother & not her parents as she said to her boyfriend assuming they were pretty close, or closer than 30 miles at least. Hitchhiking was pretty common back then & still happens even today, if she was stuck for a ride she might have felt she had little choice, or just fell victim to a ramdom predator who was looking for a victim.

Article from a local TX TV station marking 30yrs since Elizabeth's disappearance

http://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Copperas-Cove-PD-continues-looking-for-clues-on-30-year-old-case-480894621.html

The segment on Amazon has no
Update about her purse being found

Ive been trying to see this update too...is it located anywhere on the hulu or amazon episodes?

Anyone ???


:)

Anyone ???


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I didn’t see anything on Amazon but here’s her Charley Project which mentions the purse

http://charleyproject.org/case/elizabeth-ann-campbell

I’d give my left ***to see the purse update. Anyone have some kind of link?

I only want to see it because so many on here say theyre afraid of it and I wanna see what all the fuss is about.

If no link or anything available, can someone describe exactly how it plays out, which song is used, details, everything, etv

Thanks

I’d give my left ***to see the purse update. Anyone have some kind of link?

I only want to see it because so many on here say theyre afraid of it and I wanna see what all the fuss is about.

If no link or anything available, can someone describe exactly how it plays out, which song is used, details, everything, etv

Thanks

It's not so much the image of the purse that's scary. It's the music, which is deliciously creepy. I've said before, if you put that music over an image of puppies, you'd still feel a little unsettled.

It's not so much the image of the purse that's scary. It's the music, which is deliciously creepy. I've said before, if you put that music over an image of puppies, you'd still feel a little unsettled.

Is the music used elseware on UM? Does it do a slow zoom in on the purse or?

Love the purse update music I thought I was the only one

Love the purse update music I thought I was the only one

Which song is used?

Which song is used?

The Unsolved Mysteries soundtrack side A, at exactly the 20 minute mark. You can listen to it on the forbidden site.

That song is creepy as hell and is exactly why I love this show.

The Unsolved Mysteries soundtrack side A, at exactly the 20 minute mark. You can listen to it on the forbidden site.

Finally...thanks so much for taking the time to help me dude.

Meh, gotta admit I was a bit underwhelmed...I was expecting something like the “DUH DUH” song from the Son of Sam segment or something like that lol

Good to hear that there is a soundtrack out there, although it's missing some music i'd like to hear.

Slightly OT, but the music in the earlier seasons is what really made some of the stories and helped make this show so creepy. In the later seasons, when they switched to synthesized Zamfir's pan flute, all that was gone. :(

Love the purse update music I thought I was the only one

If I'm on the right track I think that is actually my favorite "update" music of them all. It's not used as often on the Amazon series so I'm glad they came out with the soundtrack. I think the twin "wanted" version is used on the Sal Guardado profile. I feel like I remember these versions being used a lot on lifetime. I know the original update theme is the most memorable, but I love how they incorporated the Bass Guitar into a lot of their music and that goes back to season 1. I think UM music changed and still kept the original melodies. all the way to the end of the show...

The Unsolved Mysteries soundtrack side A, at exactly the 20 minute mark. You can listen to it on the forbidden site.

If I may, can I ask what exactly is the forbidden site? I am rather intrigued, LOL.

If I may, can I ask what exactly is the forbidden site? I am rather intrigued, LOL.

:D Just an inside joke we used here for years. The forbidden site is YouTube.

For years, youtube links were not allowed to be posted here even though many other forums on SitcomsOnline posted them frequently. After a while, we just started calling youtube the 'forbidden site.'

:D Just an inside joke we used here for years. The forbidden site is YouTube.

For years, youtube links were not allowed to be posted here even though many other forums on SitcomsOnline posted them frequently. After a while, we just started calling youtube the 'forbidden site.'

Heck! I was hoping there was some site that had old clips of the Raymond Burr days or the cases they choose not to air any longer. Oh well, thanks :)

I think Elizabeth must have been offered a ride while standing outside the 7-11. Feeling upset and not thinking clearly , she must have felt safe enough to accept a ride from people she didn't know. I suggest that it may have been people close to her age group such as young college age people and or military.

I think a forced abduction would have attracted unwanted attention; even at night.

Another thought was that she agreed to leave with a 7-11 employee who she knew or worked with. I wonder if investigators took a hard look into that angle.

Saw the EC segment for the first time. Sad, and I'm not surprised that she's never been found. The fact that her purse was found years later is strange.

I also discount the alleged sightings after she disappeared - even more so than other alleged sightings in other cases. I.e., I suspect that these "eyewitnesses" probably saw a possessive boyfriend with his Asian gf (who may have resembled EC) and thought it was her. It's possible that these areas in TX didn't have large Asian communities at the time, and if so then a young Asian woman would have stood out - especially if she was being "controlled" by a domineering bf/husband.

I agree that if someone had kidnapped her, he probably wouldn't bring her with him to stores (so that she could be potentially identified) several months after her disappearance, etc.

Every time I saw the segment, my initial reaction was yeah - she got kidnapped by a sick band of traffickers. Then I read CrystalDawn's blog post on the case (Link Here (https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/elizabeth-campbell-trafficked-or-tragedy)) and heard about the serial killer Robert Rhodes (AKA the "Truck Stop Killer").

Given where her purse was found and assuming the witness recollections from the segment were accurate (it was Elizabeth they saw and not another girl), then I'm inclined to believe that the traffickers eventually sold her to Rhodes, who then did all sorts of unmentionable things to her before leaving her body in some unknown location.

What is the thought people have with the two store clerks that claim they saw her? I find both of them likely legit. Both described her in the same manner. I guess you can say it is strange that the abductor would let her out in broad daylight like that but if she is that much under his thumb it probably doesn't matter. He could be making all sorts of threats to make sure she behaves. Everyone from Jaycee Dugaard to Elizabeth Smart were all threatened I am sure within an inch of their lives to behave in public or else.

My question is, at that time how many Asians were living in Texas? The reason being, you may not see an Asian couple for a while and then notice one and see them act strange and then assume it is Elizabeth. Because to be honest both clerks were very sure of themselves, and I tend to believe them.

I have to wonder too, the boyfriend Ricky, I know he is cleared, but is there some sort of guilt he has for fighting with her and having her storm off only to get abducted as she wanders off?

While I think the eyewitnesses meant well, I don't find them credible. I don't think many fans of the show do either. We know now that there is a common psychological effect called confirmation bias, where people want to help and their mind twists an unrelated sighting into the scenario.

The trafficking theory has also been discredited. There have been some articles and news stories about Elizabeth's case in the last few years and it's not being considered. I think the police view this as a stranger abduction.

I find it unfortunate how UM devoted so much time and energy to the trafficking scenario, when there was no evidence for it. It must have caused needless pain for her parents and I think it was based more on racist conceptions of Asian women, more than any factual basis.

While I think the eyewitnesses meant well, I don't find them credible. I don't think many fans of the show do either. We know now that there is a common psychological effect called confirmation bias, where people want to help and their mind twists an unrelated sighting into the scenario.

The trafficking theory has also been discredited. There have been some articles and news stories about Elizabeth's case in the last few years and it's not being considered. I think the police view this as a stranger abduction.

I find it unfortunate how UM devoted so much time and energy to the trafficking scenario, when there was no evidence for it. It must have caused needless pain for her parents and I think it was based more on racist conceptions of Asian women, more than any factual basis.

I figure the two eye-witnesses who saw her with the Asian man and being sort of manhandled is what caused them to use the whole trafficking angle.

I don't know if I would debunk the whole trafficking thing though. Think about it, she gets into a fight with Ricky, storms off, clears her head seemingly and then calls him to come pick her up. They get into a fight again and she hangs up, presumably was going to call her parents according to the segment.

At this moment there is a guy who sees her and not only can make a clean and errorless kidnapping but can also make it that there is never a trace of her again for 35 years. That is quite convenient I would say. What are the odds that she meets an abductor who seizes the opportunity.

Or was she being followed and stalked for a little while? Maybe a few days, weeks, etc. Was this the moment of opportunity for her to be abducted and then sold off?

I think you just described what happened. Very similar to Carrie Lynn Nixon, Kathy Hobbs, Angela Hammond and others: a young woman is in a vulnerable situation at night and a POS male takes them, assaults and murders them. And it's not unusual that the human remains are never recovered.

The trafficking angle presented on UM was just a sick fantasy, promoted by the Children of the Night lady. From what we know from trafficked victims today it doesn't go down like she described it.

Every time I saw the segment, my initial reaction was yeah - she got kidnapped by a sick band of traffickers. Then I read CrystalDawn's blog post on the case (Link Here (https://lostnfoundblogs.com/f/elizabeth-campbell-trafficked-or-tragedy)) and heard about the serial killer Robert Rhodes (AKA the "Truck Stop Killer").

Given where her purse was found and assuming the witness recollections from the segment were accurate (it was Elizabeth they saw and not another girl), then I'm inclined to believe that the traffickers eventually sold her to Rhodes, who then did all sorts of unmentionable things to her before leaving her body in some unknown location.
Interesting that Rhodes left one of his murder victims in the same small texas town that Elizabeth's purse was found. Rhodes was later caught and arrested along the IH 10 near Phoenix, caught during the act of an assault. He also abducted 2 other victims from the Houston area. he would be a good suspect for Elizabeth's disappearance if he could be traced to that area in the time that she went missing. In all of the murders that he confessed to it appears that he offered them rides.

While I think the eyewitnesses meant well, I don't find them credible. I don't think many fans of the show do either. We know now that there is a common psychological effect called confirmation bias, where people want to help and their mind twists an unrelated sighting into the scenario.

The trafficking theory has also been discredited. There have been some articles and news stories about Elizabeth's case in the last few years and it's not being considered. I think the police view this as a stranger abduction.

I find it unfortunate how UM devoted so much time and energy to the trafficking scenario, when there was no evidence for it. It must have caused needless pain for her parents and I think it was based more on racist conceptions of Asian women, more than any factual basis.
This is a good point. if there was one thing that eye witnesses from UM segments were good at, it was mistaken ID regardless of how a person looked. it just goes to show we all have other people that look like us. I don't think that Elizabeth was actually ever in Waco or DFW given that her purse was found along the IH 10 in west texas. I do think she was abducted by someone. perhaps a serial killer or someone who gave her a ride and expected too much in return and when rejected they got violent with her. that seems to be like the common motive for creeps that can't handle being rejected.

Elizabeth was a military brat. I think her dad met her mom overseas and they got married and later settled in central Texas near Fort Hood. I'm not saying the abduction involved a military member, but I wouldn't rule it out either. It's not something I recall anyone talk about and it should be discussed since she was abducted in the Copperas Cove/Killeen area. Fort Hood has its fair amount of violent crime in and around the base. abductions and violent crime have been happening there for years. For the "military/govt" conspiracy people out there, Fort Hood and other bases like it around the country, are actually good examples where crimes happen and sometimes military members are involved. sometimes these crimes are more difficult to solve because people are always coming and going in and out of the area. Fort Hood also has a well earned reputation for being non-transparent with their own local community regarding base criminal activity.

It's sad, I don't see Elizabeth's case ever having a conclusion. There's no DNA, no forensic evidence, and that's how cases get solved after decades have passed. I wish UM had presented information about the car she was last seen getting into instead of focusing on the trafficking angle to sensationalize the story for TV.

UM really did a disservice to Elizabeth's disappearance with their segment. They touted the theory that she could still be alive in captivity with an Asian man. In reality, the last reported sighting of Elizabeth was shortly after 11:00 p.m. at a 7-Eleven store getting into a silver or white vehicle with a maroon top. We know that prior to getting into the vehicle, she made a call from a pay phone to her boyfriend asking him for a ride. He confirms this in his UM interview and the clerk working at the 7-Eleven confirmed it because they remember her saying she didn't want to use the store's phone because she intended on calling her brother and he lived out of the area so it would have been a long distance phone call. What we don't know is if she called someone else after speaking with her boyfriend. And that could make or break the case, because this whole time the prevailing theory was that she was in the wrong place at the wrong time and an opportunistic predator harmed her. But what if she called another person who she did know for a ride?

A moderator should probably update the first post, as the two links provided no longer work.

A moderator should probably update the first post, as the two links provided no longer work.

Good luck with that, dead links are part of the charm of posting on a forum that goes back 20+ years.