I read a few posts that made a reference to this segment and I myself have mentioned this one before which leads me to my question to you guys, "Do you believe the bunk bed was the cause of the hauntings?" Yes or no? I've watched the segment numerous times and I believe there was a connection. Perhaps they unleashed spirits when they opened up the box or something, who knows.

The way Unsolved Mysteries presented this story, I think anybody would assume the haunting started after they bought the bunk bed. I found this great article about the haunting that I dont think has been mentioned before.

http://members.aol.com/brunsman/ghost.html


It's long, but well worth the read. :eek:

There's a house a few miles from me that looks exactly like the house in the segment. AAAHHHHH! :eek4:

Look, Bea Arthur, too!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/BigTMan/ba25ad.jpg

I have been through that town (Horicon) many times. I drive past the house each time. I dont get that "vibe".
It was either the bunk beds, or an ouija board. The bunk beds were buried, and it seems the hauntings went with them, but I'm no expert.
All I know is that segment is beautifully produced, and I am not going to dig too much deeper than I have. I don't want to ruin the feeling that segment gave me back in the day.
Read the book, "Haunted America", written in 1994. There is a whole chapter on the testimonial story of the Tallmans. Good stuff.

I watched this story for the first time on YouTube. When I start watching stories like these, I try to watch them with an open mind, and try to believe what is being reported. However I believe this story has been entirely fabricated and is nothing more than a hoax.

Most of the events seem to be a load of crap. The paintbrush in the paint can could be explained in the sense that he may have left the brush on top of the paint can and he forgot where he left it, and it just slipped in. Or it may not have even happened.

The fire, i believe, was imagined, one way or another. He either imagined a fire, or he made the story up. I'm sure there would have been witnesses to such an event.

As for the events which happened to the kids, I believe they were entirely made up.

Why weren't the kids allowed to be interviewed? And why were their faces obscured?

Also, the family that moved into the house after the Tallmans apparently have no reports of paranormal activity.

Let's say hypothetically, these events did take place, how can it be then attributed to the bunk bed as being the source of the events? By claiming that they only took place while the bunk bed was in the house??

It's an interesting story, but I don't buy it for a second. I smell a hoax.

Why weren't the kids allowed to be interviewed? And why were their faces obscured?

The incidents took place just a few years (one year?) before the segment aired. The kids were still little. Would you want your kids going on national television and reliving the worst nightmare of their lives?

And their faces were obscured for the same reason crime victims' faces are obscured: to protect their identities from any would-be harassment.

The incidents took place just a few years (one year?) before the segment aired. The kids were still little. Would you want your kids going on national television and reliving the worst nightmare of their lives?

And their faces were obscured for the same reason crime victims' faces are obscured: to protect their identities from any would-be harassment.

Don't tell me you actually believe the bunkbed story.

How many other people that have appeared on Unsolved Mysteries talking about how they have experienced the paranormal, don't have their faces obscured. Look at Betty Cash, she witnessed a UFO and pretty much blamed the military first hand, without having her face obscured.

Here are some of the possibilities I see...

*This whole story is a hoax.
*The kids weren't interviewed NOT because they were too young, but because they probably have no idea about the hoax, or the parents didn't want the kids to suffer harrassment once their hoax was revealed.
*The events were probable drug induced hallucinations caused by the wacky tobaccy. They're probably so stoned they believe these things actually happened.
*Maybe they decided to have their faces obscured out of fear of harrasment, but why would they think they would be harrassed? Could it be because they didn't want their drug supplier to find out they had gone on TV talking about the zany effects of his or her stash?

*The events were probable drug induced hallucinations caused by the wacky tobaccy. They're probably so stoned they believe these things actually happened.

Proof? There was nothing in the segment alluding to drug (ab)use.

If they attribute it to drugs, then it's not really an unsolved mystery anymore.

This thread = :grr:

If they attribute it to drugs, then it's not really an unsolved mystery anymore.

Regardless, you're still jumping to conclusions that are not supported by anything.

But there is no logical explanation for any of the events that took place. The guy sees his garage on fire, he later returns to find that it never was on fire. I think he might have been hallucinating.

I watched this story for the first time on YouTube. When I start watching stories like these, I try to watch them with an open mind, and try to believe what is being reported. However I believe this story has been entirely fabricated and is nothing more than a hoax.

Most of the events seem to be a load of crap. The paintbrush in the paint can could be explained in the sense that he may have left the brush on top of the paint can and he forgot where he left it, and it just slipped in. Or it may not have even happened.

The fire, i believe, was imagined, one way or another. He either imagined a fire, or he made the story up. I'm sure there would have been witnesses to such an event.

As for the events which happened to the kids, I believe they were entirely made up.

Why weren't the kids allowed to be interviewed? And why were their faces obscured?

Also, the family that moved into the house after the Tallmans apparently have no reports of paranormal activity.

Let's say hypothetically, these events did take place, how can it be then attributed to the bunk bed as being the source of the events? By claiming that they only took place while the bunk bed was in the house??

It's an interesting story, but I don't buy it for a second. I smell a hoax.

This one isn't a hoax, this is definately believeable. Usually when you watch Ghost stories you can pretty quickly tell what's BS and what's not. Even if it isn't a ghost I believe the Tallman family believe what they say happened. They seemed pretty genuine on camera to me. Also to me it's commonsense the kids weren't interviewed and if I was a parent I wouldn't consent to my young children go on camera and talk about what happened.

Even if it isn't a ghost I believe the Tallman family believe what they say happened.

I agree with that too. I believe that the Tallman's actually believe what they're saying, but I don't believe what they said happened actually happened, at least not the way it was presented. I believe that they are hallucinations or there was something in the house causing them to hallucinate. I don't believe for a second that the "ghosts" that were unleashed into the house came from the bunkbed.

Just for the record, I believe this story lost credibility with the garage on fire. If the garage was really on fire, i'm sure the people in the street would have noticed something. The garage on fire is why I believe they were all hallucinations.

Just for the record I never felt that the bunkbed was "the source of evil" - I'd agree more with the pastor's viewpoint that the Tallman's were fond of using Ouija boards and this could've possibly caused something from the demonic realm to enter their household if in fact you believe their story.

There was also the suggestion that a woman whom Debbie had quarrelled with may have placed a curse on her household. This woman apparently was a follower of witchcraft. It is important to note that this allegation was not brought forward by the Tallmans but by news reporters who covered the case making it even less plausible than the "haunted bunk bed" in my mind.

As far as why the children weren't interviewed, while it is very easy to draw conclusions that the children weren't interviewed because they would've "destroyed the illusion" of a haunting by saying something like "mommy and daddy are making this all up" - it is possible that Alan and Debbie didn't want their children to be further traumatized by having to relay their experiences on nationwide television. It could've very easily made their children outcasts in school and in their social lives and perhaps as parents the Tallmans wanted to shield their children as much as possible.

While I do this this is one of the more plausible ghost stories, I still have some concerns about the Tallman's bizarre behavior which makes me question their credibility. While I'll admit that these bizarre reactions might fall in line with equally bizarre events the following two incidents have always struck me as a bit odd.

- I might be willing to give the Tallman's a wider berth than Averman in regards to the garage that mysteriously was ablaze one second only to be perfectly fine the next. However I believe Alan Tallman's explanation of these events was too over the top leading one to believe that perhaps he was taking the inspiration for these tales out of a science fiction novel.

A crucial detail was left out of the UM segment and that is when Tallman peered into the flaming garage "There were two eyes in the windows" apparently staring back at him. I have a hard time swallowing that one - it sounds too much like a plot from a cheap 70s horror film.

- Debbie Tallman's reaction to the entities in her household is also circumspect including her somewhat cruel inital lies to her own children regarding what was going on in the house. Debbie intially explained to her children that the entities they saw were at first their deceased grandmother and later Jesus Christ.

This has already stuck me as a bit odd because if indeed the children were witnessing these horrible visions...I would only assume their mother would've tried to whisk them out of the home as soon as possible and not make up outrageous tales involving relatives and Jesus Christ which causes me to seriously question Debbies' credibility and mental state in this matter.

Well said DarkDante.

It's the little inconsistencies that you mentioned that lead me to seriously question the credibility of the Tallmans, and to question whether this story is real or just a load of bullsh*t. The fact that they are into Ouija boards could show that they have an interest in spirits and the paranormal and things like that which could prove that they aren't just innocent victims of a ghost haunting.

I agree with that too. I believe that the Tallman's actually believe what they're saying, but I don't believe what they said happened actually happened, at least not the way it was presented. I believe that they are hallucinations or there was something in the house causing them to hallucinate. I don't believe for a second that the "ghosts" that were unleashed into the house came from the bunkbed.

Just for the record, I believe this story lost credibility with the garage on fire. If the garage was really on fire, i'm sure the people in the street would have noticed something. The garage on fire is why I believe they were all hallucinations.

Yeh I too have glossed over the notion that the bunkbeds weren't related to the actually hauntings and ghost stories. I also have a problem with the timeline of events given in the boardcast. This is just going from memory; The Tallman's moved into the home in April 1986 and Stack and Debbie (in interview) says "within weeks the Tallman children began to fall ill", yet in the beginning of the story it says "the Bunkbeds where purchased in late February 1987 and it started 9 months of terror". Stack then says the bed was moved in May (1987). So here you have the family moved in and the kids falling sick straight away, then 9 months later the Tallman's buy the actual bed and 3 months later they move the bed...? Maybe all this is an UM continuity error but it sure stood out for me.

I'll also note that part of this story gives me one of the biggest UM laughs; the part where the relative screams is a crack up :rofl: It's like a Kramer (Seinfeld) moment :lol:

I'll also note that part of this story gives me one of the biggest UM laughs; the part where the relative screams is a crack up :rofl: It's like a Kramer (Seinfeld) moment :lol:

That made me jump when i first saw that because it was so unexpected. I found it odd that UM didn't actually show any of the ghosts such as the woman with her hair on fire, they only showed the garage on fire and the toolbox flying across the room.

I'll also note that part of this story gives me one of the biggest UM laughs; the part where the relative screams is a crack up :rofl: It's like a Kramer (Seinfeld) moment :lol:

Oh yeah, someone else's terror is a frigging riot. :rolleyes:

Don't tell me you actually believe the bunkbed story.

How many other people that have appeared on Unsolved Mysteries talking about how they have experienced the paranormal, don't have their faces obscured. Look at Betty Cash, she witnessed a UFO and pretty much blamed the military first hand, without having her face obscured.

Here are some of the possibilities I see...

*This whole story is a hoax.
*The kids weren't interviewed NOT because they were too young, but because they probably have no idea about the hoax, or the parents didn't want the kids to suffer harrassment once their hoax was revealed.
*The events were probable drug induced hallucinations caused by the wacky tobaccy. They're probably so stoned they believe these things actually happened.
*Maybe they decided to have their faces obscured out of fear of harrasment, but why would they think they would be harrassed? Could it be because they didn't want their drug supplier to find out they had gone on TV talking about the zany effects of his or her stash?

I can see your points, but I still say the kids were kept off TV to keep from traumatising them any further.

Oh yeah, someone else's terror is a frigging riot. :rolleyes:

What can I say, the scream makes me laugh :lol:

What can I say, the scream makes me laugh :lol:

peace:

I think this one's a hoax also, mainly because they did not disclose their identities. There seems to be no plausible threat of harassment so I'm not sure why they did that.

Personally, I don't think the Tallman's hiding of their identities means that that their story can be debunked. I had read somewhere that there was heavy traffic around their house due to the reported ghost, far more than normal for a house in its location of Horicon, WI. While we don't know their identities, it looks like most people in and around Horicon, WI know exactly who they are.

I was bored today and did some research on this case. Apparently, the Tallmans aren't hiding their identity really. I did a search and only one Allen & Debbi Tallman for the whole state of WI came up. Their address shows Beaver Dam, WI, which coincidentally is a couple of miles up the road from Horicon. I figure that has to be them.

You can find them in the online white pages directory. Has anyone been by the house recently or know which one it is? I have a business trip scheduled for Germantown, WI the first week of May. I want to drive up there and see if I can find the house. I'd be interested to know if they had anymore problems after they left. Supposedly the people that bought the house after them had no problems according to UM.

There is one thing that is for sure about this segment, and that's the fact it still creeps me out to this day.

I think it's 100% legit. I don't think it had anything to do with the bunkbeds though. I agree with the ouija board theory. I think the Tallmans screwed around with the spirit world and opened a door. The problem was that they didn't close that door. And the fact that they didn't close that door, allowed for the haunting to take place.

I wish I could see this segment again, haven't seen it in years!

I found a discussion where one of the posters said this:

When stories are displayed on T.V. they always change a few things. I have the Unsolved Mysteries series with all the Ghost stories. I was saddened to find the Myrtles Plantation differented from Frances book as well, so when I watched the Horicon episode titled Tallman's Ghost it was based on the bunk beds and not everything else that Michael listed.

I have a ghost web-board of my own and I broke his book down in my own words as to what went on there. Basically the media flip flopped everything out of proportion. There was no blood running down the walls, or a head less snow blower making his rounds.

All they had was an entity that disturbed their peace of mind. This entity only came out at night when it turned the house dark, everything went wrong. There's too much to list so to make it short, when they got the bunk beds and made a kid switch in rooms, is when the entity acted up really badly. Although it was there before the switch.

As time went on it got worse and then they saw the apparation of the Evil. It only appeared twice before Debbie packed up her kids and fled the house and never again did they live in that house. They stayed with church people until they found a new place. They lost everything in the process which makes it a very believable story.

http://www.ghostvillage.com/ghostcommunity/index.php?showtopic=5594&st=0&p=311466&#entry311466

I read this thread again last night and I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I believe the family was being honest in relaying experiences that they think happened. As to whether these experiences did take place exactly as described or if they were the victims of paranormal phenomena, no one can say with any certainty. The belief in the paranormal is obviously a very personal and individual issue.

If this were a hoax, I just don't see the motive. The family remained anonymous where as most hoaxes are done for attention or fame, and it didn't seem that the family was looking for that. As for their kids not being interviewed, I don't see that being an issue. They were young when these events allegedly occurred and probably traumatized and I can understand the parents not wantiing to have their children subjected to the trauma of reliving these experiences by having to repeat the stories over and over.

I guess the only thing that makes me second guess the validity of the claims is that some aspects of this story seem to parallel the Amityville Horror. The father's account of the eyes peering out of the garage for instance is very similar to a story straight out of the Amityville novel.

I read this thread again last night and I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I believe the family was being honest in relaying experiences that they think happened. As to whether these experiences did take place exactly as described or if they were the victims of paranormal phenomena, no one can say with any certainty. The belief in the paranormal is obviously a very personal and individual issue.

If this were a hoax, I just don't see the motive. The family remained anonymous where as most hoaxes are done for attention or fame, and it didn't seem that the family was looking for that. As for their kids not being interviewed, I don't see that being an issue. They were young when these events allegedly occurred and probably traumatized and I can understand the parents not wantiing to have their children subjected to the trauma of reliving these experiences by having to repeat the stories over and over.

I guess the only thing that makes me second guess the validity of the claims is that some aspects of this story seem to parallel the Amityville Horror. The father's account of the eyes peering out of the garage for instance is very similar to a story straight out of the Amityville novel.


If Ghost Hunters had been on TV back then they probably wouldn't have moved!

I have said this before in another thread, but I believe that there could have been mold in the frame of the bed, that caused hallucinations when they were in the room. Then once they started getting freaked out, they saw "ghosts" in every little noise or incident. The smoke crawling across the floor is explainable, because sometimes I'll wake up from a deep dream and think the house is on fire because all I see is smoke. But when I blink my eyes a few times, it goes away. And interestingly, a lot of the "incidents" occurred when the Tallman's were sleeping. Your mind is relaxed and opened to all sorts of freakish things while you are alseep. I don't think the Tallman's were lying, just gullible!

Hi everyone, first post here.

Watched the "Tallman's Ghost" episode last night before I went to bed. And did a bit of online searching to see if there were any updates to the case.

So, I don't believe this was a hoax, I think the Tallmans truly believed that their house was haunted.

That said, I don't believe for one minute that there was actually an evil spirit that was tormenting the family. I am convinced that the cause behind this case was entirely psychological. The bunk bed was merely incidental, it had nothing to do with what went on.

It started with the children having nightmares, and confusing their bad dreams with reality. Children, especially young children, are prone to this sort of thing. In the UM segment the children said they saw a figure that "glowed like fire". I found this tidbit on another site:

http://ghosts-hauntings.suite101.com/article.cfm/larrabee_st_haunting_hoax_real
Maryann watched a TV horror show featuring a fire and man wearing a pig’s cap running out of it. For months, she was plagued by images of conflagrations and men in animal hats. This could have been psychological.


So that explains that bit - the children saw a scary TV show that gave them nightmares. The children had scary nightmares, told each other about them and then started freaking each other out. Things only built from there.

Another clue is that things got really bad after the children's rooms had been moved around (and the bunk bed moved upstairs). Switching bedrooms can be stressful for a little kid.

I don't think it's unusual for all the kids in a family to get sick at the same time - this happened in my family a couple of times when I was a kid. One kid catches a virus and then gives it to the others. Also, if the kids were stressed out, that would have weakened their immune system.

So, it seems to me that the tipping point was when the Tallmans approached their pastor about the problems the children were having, he, rather irresponsibly IMO, told them demonic forces were at work. At that point the parents got freaked out too and started seeing things.

The whole paintbrush thing seemed a bit silly to me. As others have pointed out it can be easily explained.

I believe the fathers experiences can be attributed to a combination of stress and fatigue. When he saw the garage on fire he was coming home from a night shift and was probably tired, so he probably hallucinated it. I think the other things that happened to him were due to hypnopompic hallucinations, hallucinations that occur when we are between sleep and wakefulness. (I suffer from these myself).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia

I chalk the whole thing up to stress, fatigue, and a lot of hysteria. I don't believe in ghosts but I do like a good ghost story - and this one is a really good one.

Here's an article I found about the haunting with a more recent photo of the house:

http://www.ericwalterfilm.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5

I *think* this is the house as viewed on Google Maps:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=43.444501,-88.635541&num=1&t=h&sll=43.451384,-88.631214&sspn=0.032405,0.06403&ie=UTF8&ll=43.444507,-88.635507&spn=0.005554,0.009645&z=17

There was a thread on a ghost forum where a member of the family that moved into the house after the Tallmans moved out had posted, but I can't find it now.

Hi everyone, first post here.

Watched the "Tallman's Ghost" episode last night before I went to bed. And did a bit of online searching to see if there were any updates to the case.

So, I don't believe this was a hoax, I think the Tallmans truly believed that their house was haunted.

That said, I don't believe for one minute that there was actually an evil spirit that was tormenting the family. I am convinced that the cause behind this case was entirely psychological. The bunk bed was merely incidental, it had nothing to do with what went on.

It started with the children having nightmares, and confusing their bad dreams with reality. Children, especially young children, are prone to this sort of thing. In the UM segment the children said they saw a figure that "glowed like fire". I found this tidbit on another site:

http://ghosts-hauntings.suite101.com/article.cfm/larrabee_st_haunting_hoax_real


So that explains that bit - the children saw a scary TV show that gave them nightmares. The children had scary nightmares, told each other about them and then started freaking each other out. Things only built from there.

Another clue is that things got really bad after the children's rooms had been moved around (and the bunk bed moved upstairs). Switching bedrooms can be stressful for a little kid.

I don't think it's unusual for all the kids in a family to get sick at the same time - this happened in my family a couple of times when I was a kid. One kid catches a virus and then gives it to the others. Also, if the kids were stressed out, that would have weakened their immune system.

So, it seems to me that the tipping point was when the Tallmans approached their pastor about the problems the children were having, he, rather irresponsibly IMO, told them demonic forces were at work. At that point the parents got freaked out too and started seeing things.

The whole paintbrush thing seemed a bit silly to me. As others have pointed out it can be easily explained.

I believe the fathers experiences can be attributed to a combination of stress and fatigue. When he saw the garage on fire he was coming home from a night shift and was probably tired, so he probably hallucinated it. I think the other things that happened to him were due to hypnopompic hallucinations, hallucinations that occur when we are between sleep and wakefulness. (I suffer from these myself).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia

I chalk the whole thing up to stress, fatigue, and a lot of hysteria. I don't believe in ghosts but I do like a good ghost story - and this one is a really good one.

Here's an article I found about the haunting with a more recent photo of the house:

http://www.ericwalterfilm.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5

I *think* this is the house as viewed on Google Maps:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=43.444501,-88.635541&num=1&t=h&sll=43.451384,-88.631214&sspn=0.032405,0.06403&ie=UTF8&ll=43.444507,-88.635507&spn=0.005554,0.009645&z=17

There was a thread on a ghost forum where a member of the family that moved into the house after the Tallmans moved out had posted, but I can't find it now.

Welcome! :wave:
Good theories. I think you will be hard pressed to find many on this forum that actually believe the haunting to be paranormal/supernatural. I was raised in a religion that REALLY bought into demon posession of people and objects, so I can sympathize with the family, as it seems they believed an object they bought second-hand was the catalyst for the activity. I saw this a lot as I was growing up. Instead of a person suffering from depression or paranoia or anxiety getting psychological help, they would look around in their life to figure out what demonic influences they had invited into their life, and throw out whatever object they believe a demon was attached to. Sad, really.

The Tallman's probably suffered from some degree of religious paranoia, combined with stress-induced psychoses and anxiety. Not to mention the "mass hysteria" factor plays here, as one family member experiencing something would have an effect on the others. Am I saying none of it is true? No, but I'm saying that they most likely believed it wholeheartedly, and so it was real for them. There's just no evidence to prove either way.

The Tallman's probably suffered from some degree of religious paranoia, combined with stress-induced psychoses and anxiety. Not to mention the "mass hysteria" factor plays here, as one family member experiencing something would have an effect on the others.

Yes this is what I think happened as well. Found some more info online, someone got in touch with the pastor, and he provided them with a presentation he gave on the case. He believed that the haunting could have been caused by an astrologer who lived in the Tallman's neighborhood. :rolleyes: I suppose it's a good thing that this happened in 1986 and not 1686 or the poor astrologer probably would have been burned at the stake for summoning demons.

I suppose some things never change. sheesh

To be frank, the pastor angers me somewhat. The ghost may not have been real, but the anguish suffered by the Tallmans probably was. I can't prove that everything was due to hysteria stirred up by the pastor but it certainly did not help.

There was a thread on a ghost forum where a member of the family that moved into the house after the Tallmans moved out had posted, but I can't find it now.

I wonder if this is it http://www.ghostvillage.com/ghostcommunity/index.php?showtopic=5594&st=15

I wonder if this is it http://www.ghostvillage.com/ghostcommunity/index.php?showtopic=5594&st=15


That's the one! Good find.

whole post

ITA. Makes much more sense than anything having to do with the bunk bed.

Alright, alright - gotta throw in my two cents here 'cause this story used to scare the crap outta me when I was a kid (and seriously believed in demons and ghosts and spirits and all that)

I've read through ll the posts and there are some really good points made by Apostapler, leafygreens and smoothvirus :wave:


Originally posted by leafygreens there could have been mold in the frame of the bed, that caused hallucinations when they were in the room. Then once they started getting freaked out, they saw "ghosts" in every little noise or incident.

Originally posted by Apostapler Instead of a person suffering from depression or paranoia or anxiety getting psychological help, they would look around in their life to figure out what demonic influences they had invited into their life, and throw out whatever object they believe a demon was attached to. Sad, really.

The Tallman's probably suffered from some degree of religious paranoia, combined with stress-induced psychoses and anxiety. Not to mention the "mass hysteria" factor plays here, as one family member experiencing something would have an effect on the others


Originally posted by smoothvirus I think the Tallmans truly believed that their house was haunted.

That said, I don't believe for one minute that there was actually an evil spirit that was tormenting the family. I am convinced that the cause behind this case was entirely psychological. The bunk bed was merely incidental, it had nothing to do with what went on.

It started with the children having nightmares, and confusing their bad dreams with reality. Children, especially young children, are prone to this sort of thing.


I agree with all the above statements

So let's take a look

Incidents included:

* Allen becoming nervous and short tempered

-This could be due to:

Stress at work, financial troubles, lack of sleep, family driving him nuts, etc.


* The Tallmans' kitten, Cat, went out of control, climbing walls and flying across rooms

-Some cats are just bat-sh*t crazy


* Chairs bounced and rocked, then, suddenly stopped

-Would this occur when a large vehicle drove by? Was the house's foundation completely stable?


* Kenny's radio changed stations on its own

-It's called a weak signal.
This has happened to me before, a weak signal or the dial is set between stations. As a result the signal comes in and out.

(Unless maybe the ghost just couldn't decide between country and easy listening)


* The children and Deborah had nightmares

-And no one ever has nightmares...
:rolleyes:

* Paintbrushes moved by themselves

In what way exactly?
Also, what's so scary about that? It's not like they started spelling out "You dead meat, sucka" or anything

* The basement window was removed and put on the floor without human help

Did anyone actually witness this or what? If the family did, I call it hearsay. If they saw it placed on the floor when no one was around, I'd call it B & E


* Allen saw the garage in flames that weren't real

-That's called a hallucication

* Maryann talked to someone or something unseen

-Most kids do. It doesn't automatically make it a ghost

* Kenny saw a short, repugnant old woman

I do all the time, I call her grandma

Seriously though, did anyone verify this was or was not a dream?

* Maryann watched a TV horror show featuring a fire and man wearing a pig's cap running out of it. For months, she was plagued by images of conflagrations and men in animal hats. This could have been psychological.

-Let's replace the words "could have been" with "was"


and I gotta totally agree with smoothvirus on this one


the tipping point was when the Tallmans approached their pastor about the problems the children were having, he, rather irresponsibly IMO, told them demonic forces were at work. At that point the parents got freaked out too and started seeing things.


Okay my theories on this ghost story are:

The kids had bad nightmares and the parents started believing them ( and stress/ lack of sleep didn't help 'em either)

The Pastor got involved and just basically blamed everything on "The Devil"

Why? Because anything going wrong in a Christian home HAS to be the work of the Devil, right? I mean, the Pastor's gotta earn his keep somehow.
Also, this story took occurred in the mid-eighties, a time when the Devil was the cause of everything bad and out to get everyone.

and that's it


Okay my questions about this case are:


1) Did anyone bother checking for a gas leak?

2) Did anyone bother checking the spooky, second-hand bunk bed for any mold?

3) Did anyone bother to check to see if it really was pranksters?

4) Did anyone bother to check out where the spooky, second-hand bunk bed came from or who may have previously owned it? (not that it really matters... wanna know why? Because it wasn't haunted :P)



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/FilmmakerEBW/larabee.jpg
Terrifying, isn't it?


So there ya have it. Normally I really don't bother with these kinds of threads but this one I have a soft spot for and it used to scare me and now I just find the whole thing really funny in a ******** kinda way.

I mean, I don't/ can't believe in ghosts (and I can say this now as I used to be a "ghost hunter" for a few years in my early twenties)
but I still love a good ghost story -and this one has the makings of a good ghost story

Personally for me, this planet's weird, bizarre, amazing, interesting and awesome enough without having to resort to believing in ghosts, demons, elves, sasquatch, alien abductions, lake creatures, goat suckers and Elvis sightings

Yes, truth is a hell of a lot stranger stranger than fiction

There are real monsters however. They go by names like Oba Chandler, Gary Ridgeway and Dennis Rader :(

I registered today mainly to discount Smokescreen rather poorly done sarcasm of this entire thread. I didn't want to, felt it was needed. I vaguley remember the case, so I am going by most of what you guys posted here. So, I am going to go through his post and help along the way.

* Allen becoming nervous and short tempered

-This could be due to:

Stress at work, financial troubles, lack of sleep, family driving him nuts, etc.

(Agreed. Also, you pointed out that his family was driving him nuts, because of the paranomral activity.)



* The Tallmans' kitten, Cat, went out of control, climbing walls and flying across rooms

-Some cats are just bat-sh*t crazy

(Yeah, when cat goes nuts it FLIES across the room. No amout of crazy is going to change the laws of physics. Yeah, cats are extreme acrobatic, but they don't change their attitude a lot either unless sick for some reason and that usually slows them down.)

* Chairs bounced and rocked, then, suddenly stopped

-Would this occur when a large vehicle drove by? Was the house's foundation completely stable?

(Interesting points, but even on a quiet road you can tell if its a vehicle or not. it also depends on how they moved was it a milimeter or a foot?)

* Kenny's radio changed stations on its own

-It's called a weak signal.

(If I remember correctly the dial moved that is not caused by weak signal.)


(Unless maybe the ghost just couldn't decide between country and easy listening)

(Really?)

* The children and Deborah had nightmares

-And no one ever has nightmares...

(There are nightmares and there are nightmares.Again not paranormal, but do they sleep walk is it awaking dream or other explainations?)

* Paintbrushes moved by themselves

In what way exactly?
Also, what's so scary about that? It's not like they started spelling out "You dead meat, sucka" or anything

(Again really. I think items by themselves with no visible or sonic force is rather odd. Again it depends on how they moved as well was it an inch or a foot?)

* The basement window was removed and put on the floor without human help

Did anyone actually witness this or what? If the family did, I call it hearsay. If they saw it placed on the floor when no one was around, I'd call it B & E

(Regardless if its paranormal or B & E, its still a mystery that is unsolved. It probably didn't help matters in the house either. Not saying paranormal or not its just odd.)


* Allen saw the garage in flames that weren't real

-That's called a hallucication

(And what proof of hallucication do you have? Maybe he did, maybe he didn't we don't really know. Again its like the window, he believes it happened there is no real proof either way. Its again another odd event.)

* Maryann talked to someone or something unseen

-Most kids do. It doesn't automatically make it a ghosts

(Kids have imigainary friends, no question about that. However, the kids control those conversations for the most part when the conservation becomes more intense then something else is happening. Could be paranormal or could be psychological? Its another odd event.)


* Kenny saw a short, repugnant old woman

I do all the time, I call her grandma

Seriously though, did anyone verify this was or was not a dream?

(Seriously, you made that joke? I would say it wasn't a dream since it would have been included in the dreams section. I would say this maybe the weakest one, because we don't know the circumstances involved maybe she was part of the B & E you are using for the window on the floor? Tack this up to being weird as well.)

* Maryann watched a TV horror show featuring a fire and man wearing a pig's cap running out of it. For months, she was plagued by images of conflagrations and men in animal hats. This could have been psychological.

-Let's replace the words "could have been" with "was"

(Yeah, You are pretty dead on with this one.)

You're four questions are valid,,but again without watching the show again I don't know if these have already been answered. I do agree with the idea that going to the priest who seems to have a problem with occult not the best idea ever. I also agree that most of this stuff can be easily explained away, but not all of it. Its too many weird consequences for me. Someone said if Ghost Hunters was around they would investigate it, yeah I doubt it. Historical landmarks with phat pay checks seem to be all they are interested anymore maybe if it was season 1 where they did a lot more personal hautnings then yeah maybe. I do think the family believes stuff happened and the fact they lost a ton of cash out of it helps their case. The fact that nothing happened to the new owners could mean they close the gate before they felt, there was no paranormal activity or it could be another of other reasons that really doesn't discount it. Granted most haunted house cases tend to pass to owners, but that doesn't hold true all the time. It could be an entity that either follows them or was more attracted to the previous owners like the kids. The kids not being on camera was a smart move by the parents. Its a no win situation. If they were on TV, people would scream explotation of the children to get money. Better to leave them off TV.

The main reason I responded to Smokescreen was the use of the word, ********. I am not against using that word, I just think you used it as a straw man device to get people to not speak up against you. Since it implies, you are the only one smart enough to go over all these "facts" and anyone who disagrees with you is a ******. I disagree whole heartily since most of your analysis was to make bad jokes. While you did have some valid points, it was countered by your smart ass I am better then anyone vibe of your post. I am not saying you are not right, I am just saying your presentation was crap. I am not sure if the story is true or not, but I am not a big of mulitple consequences that takes a ton of effort to explain to fit into the norms of society.

P.S. No Spellcheck on this forum, well this is going to be fun.

Hey fair enough (I didn't think anyone would care)

Although I gotta say, I don't think anyone who disagrees with me is a ******.
Go right ahead and disagree, I'm not gonna stop ya

Also, I don't feel I'm better anyone else and I'm sorry if you unfortunately misinterpreted it as that
:confused:

Well, guess I gotta retort:

* Allen becoming nervous and short tempered

-This could be due to:

Stress at work, financial troubles, lack of sleep, family driving him nuts, etc.

(Agreed. Also, you pointed out that his family was driving him nuts, because of the paranomral activity.)

Assuming there was anything even paranormal





* The Tallmans' kitten, Cat, went out of control, climbing walls and flying across rooms

-Some cats are just bat-sh*t crazy

(Yeah, when cat goes nuts it FLIES across the room. No amout of crazy is going to change the laws of physics. Yeah, cats are extreme acrobatic, but they don't change their attitude a lot either unless sick for some reason and that usually slows them down.)

The story didn't specify in what context the term "flies" applied to. There's no proof saying the cat was flying. Could it have lept across the room? I dunno. I don't have evidence or proof so I gotta chalk it up to the cats just bein' bat-sh*t crazy





* Chairs bounced and rocked, then, suddenly stopped

-Would this occur when a large vehicle drove by? Was the house's foundation completely stable?

(Interesting points, but even on a quiet road you can tell if its a vehicle or not. it also depends on how they moved was it a milimeter or a foot?)


Hey, I don't know if Larabee Street is quiet street or a busy street or what. (Anyone here know? Help me verify this, people) I'm just saying that if say, a heavy moving truck or a semi drives down this street, it could possibly shake stuff in the house. Again, the story doesn't specify how far furniture moved and again, that's why I'm skeptical.





* Kenny's radio changed stations on its own

-It's called a weak signal.

(If I remember correctly the dial moved that is not caused by weak signal.)



Yeah, that was actually part of the UM re-enactment - it wasn't like, real footage or anything. So really, that's not proof.





(Unless maybe the ghost just couldn't decide between country and easy listening)

(Really?)

How the heck should I know?




* The children and Deborah had nightmares

-And no one ever has nightmares...

(There are nightmares and there are nightmares.Again not paranormal, but do they sleep walk is it awaking dream or other explainations?)


There are nightmares and there are nightmares

So what's the difference?








* Paintbrushes moved by themselves

In what way exactly?

Also, what's so scary about that? It's not like they started spelling out "You dead meat, sucka" or anything

(Again really. I think items by themselves with no visible or sonic force is rather odd. Again it depends on how they moved as well was it an inch or a foot?)

Again, there's nothing to verify this at all. No footage, no one outside of the family apparently saw moving paintbrushes- so how do we know it's not just made up?




* The basement window was removed and put on the floor without human help

Did anyone actually witness this or what? If the family did, I'd call it hearsay. If they saw it placed on the floor when no one was around, I'd call it B & E

(Regardless if its paranormal or B & E, its still a mystery that is unsolved. It probably didn't help matters in the house either. Not saying paranormal or not its just odd.)


So maybe the Tallman's really shoulda called the police and tried solving the mystery of who was trying to break in their home instead of blaming it on the The Devil.





* Allen saw the garage in flames that weren't real

-That's called a hallucination

(And what proof of hallucication do you have?

Um, well the story says this:


Allen saw the garage in flames that weren't real





Maybe he did, maybe he didn't we don't really know. Again its like the window, he believes it happened there is no real proof either way. Its again another odd event.)

If he believed he saw flames that still doesn't prove anything supernatural occured







* Maryann talked to someone or something unseen

-Most kids do. It doesn't automatically make it a ghost

(Kids have imigainary friends, no question about that. However, the kids control those conversations for the most part when the conservation becomes more intense then something else is happening. Could be paranormal or could be psychological? Its another odd event.)


Well, seeing as that there really has never been any real evidence that ghosts even exist, I'd go with psychological





* Kenny saw a short, repugnant old woman

I do all the time, I call her grandma

Seriously though, did anyone verify this was or was not a dream?

(Seriously, you made that joke?

Yup





I would say it wasn't a dream

Okay, fair enough. So where's the proof?

since it would have been included in the dreams section.

... that's the proof?

I would say this maybe the weakest one, because we don't know the circumstances involved maybe she was part of the B & E you are using for the window on the floor? Tack this up to being weird as well.)


I'd say they're all kinda weak due to the fact that we don't know the circumstances involved

and it really could be chalked up to being hearsay. I mean, if the kid(s) saw an old woman, why didn't the Tallman's
get the kids to describe to an artist what she looked like so they could get a sketch. From there, they coulda tried to identify this old lady. Also, if they thought their house was haunted, why didn't they check up the history of their house?





* Maryann watched a TV horror show featuring a fire and man wearing a pig's cap running out of it. For months, she was plagued by images of conflagrations and men in animal hats. This could have been psychological.

-Let's replace the words "could have been" with "was"

(Yeah, You are pretty dead on with this one.)

Well thank ye



I personally just don't believe in the paranormal. I used to, but after a couple of decades of seeing zero proof I just can't subscribe to it anymore. I've lived in a supposed "Haunted House" and have worked at a supposedly "Haunted Hotel" and hadn't seen or experienced a damn thing.

Hey if anyone wants to believe in the paranormal, that's cool - I mean, what do I know? I'm just some dude. I just need proof of such things. It's a kind of a neat ghost story but thats really all it is 'cause no other proof or incidences have come up since then


I am not saying you are not right, I am just saying your presentation was crap.

Hmmm, I didn't know that my presentation was being graded or anything

Plus I didn't realize my little post would get anyone's goat - (especially with this silly story) Ah well, just no pleasin' some people (shrugs)

well... try and have a nice day :(

I registered today mainly to discount Smokescreen rather poorly done sarcasm of this entire thread. I didn't want to, felt it was needed. I vaguley remember the case, so I am going by most of what you guys posted here. So, I am going to go through his post and help along the way.


You registered just to trash one poster on a case you vaguely remember??:confused:

Yep. Now, I am going to be here full time thanks to that reply.

:confused:

Um.. okay....

Really, really strange but hey, whatever floats yer boat I guess...

Hey I want to believe, don't get me wrong, but even I won't say that ghosts are real without concrete evidence. No one has conclusively proven that "ghosts" are dead people or demons or hallucinations of the mind. What evidence has been collected (and I mean EVP, video, photo, infrared, etc.) is subjective in itself. And measurements like EMF and temperature are even moreso. Why? Because you can't scientifically prove what you are measuring. You can gather data, and you can make correlations and inferences, but none of this stuff conclusively proves anything. I love ghosts shows with a passion, but I take everything with a grain of salt. It's interesting, captivating, and exciting...and I'd like to believe it's real (and by that I mean what we think of as ghosts and hauntings), but I have to keep an open mind.

Now, that being said, there's a difference between that data being collected and showing some trends and useful information...and the Tallman case. That is that the Tallman case had none of it. All there is is some anecdotal evidence which, in comparison to other cases, isn't all that special.

Welcome to the forum lotjx.
How do you explain the cat's behavior in regards to ghosts? Do you believe they can "sense" ghosts like humans do?

Originally posted by Apostapler Hey I want to believe, don't get me wrong, but even I won't say that ghosts are real without concrete evidence. No one has conclusively proven that "ghosts" are dead people or demons or hallucinations of the mind. What evidence has been collected (and I mean EVP, video, photo, infrared, etc.) is subjective in itself. And measurements like EMF and temperature are even moreso. Why? Because you can't scientifically prove what you are measuring. You can gather data, and you can make correlations and inferences, but none of this stuff conclusively proves anything

I applaud the lady from Indiana!

I just happened to watch this one at random the other day and have to admit that I've changed my mind on this, which was that I thought it was one of the more believeable ghost stories UM did.

I have a problem with the timeline of aledged events. Tallman's move in April 1986, kids get sick immediately but it wasn't till a whole year later that anyone has any paramormal incidents. I guess that's why they feel it's all got to do with the bunk beds, logically that's ridicuous.

Also, I cannot remember off the top of my head how old the boy was when he saw the radio dial move by itself, I think Stack said 4? I remember thinking it was very young and it's something that I hadn't noticed before. I have a huge problem believing anything a 4 year old says.

There is something I cannot expain, as a home-owner myself, I don't have a solid answer as to why a young family would basically walk out on their home and not return. Something (in their eyes) drastic must have happened.

As I was on a bit of a ghost theme I also watched the ghost of John Harden. Does anyone know of any updates to the actual murder of John? That is one case I would really like to see solved.

Hey Space!

Was that the one where the dude sees his truck on fire, runs out and gets killed and then a little while later people see his ghost moseyin' around the house?

I've often wondered about that too - just wanted to know if there was like, an actual news article that said he got murdered or something

I've looked for articles in regards to the Terasita Bassa case, the one where her ghost tells people who murdered her and then this dude gets convicted :confused:
but I couldn't find anything so I don't think it's real

*Update I did find mentions of the Terasita Basa / Allan Showery case - apparently he is still in jail but it cannot be substantiated that the "ghost did it"

It's an interesting read
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1854931

I can believe that he got convicted and imprisoned, I just don't think it was due to anything supernatural

Hey Space!

Was that the one where the dude sees his truck on fire, runs out and gets killed and then a little while later people see his ghost moseyin' around the house?

I've often wondered about that too - just wanted to know if there was like, an actual news article that said he got murdered or something

I've looked for articles in regards to the Terasita Bassa case, the one where her ghost tells people who murdered her and then this dude gets convicted :confused:
but I couldn't find anything so I really don't think it's real

Hey there,

Yeah that's the one, John Harden was gunned down whilst attending to his truck which was set on fire. This seemed to be a pre-meditated murder so you'd have to start with his ex-wife, although she did kinda tear-up a bit when talking about him.

At the end of the case, Stack mentions a number of production problems and unexplained events whilst filming, wish they would have got that on camera!

Originally posted by smoothvirus I *think* this is the house as viewed on Google Maps:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=43.444...,0.009645&z=17



OMG you guys, if you move in a SouthWest direction, you'll find Oak Hill Cemetery!!! :eek:

Moo HA HA HA HAAA!
;)

I haven't seen this segment in a while, but decided to have another look at it since there was some recent discussion of the subject in another thread.

Having experienced some supernatural stuff myself, and spending 14 years dealing with something that most people would call a haunting, I don't want to discount any claims from people who aren't deliberately perpetuating a hoax.

In the Tallman case, they said that the kids became ill almost immediately after moving into the home. This reminded me of a house I moved into in the early 90s. It was new, and on a very small lot in an old neighborhood. It had a swamp very close on one side and a farmer's field on the other.

The water came from a well, which was also new. However, it was only about 43 feet deep. It was about 80 feet from the swamp and 20 feet the farmer's field. The property had previously contained a barn and farm animals. The neighbors told me that they poured kerosene into the swamp every year to keep the mosquito population down. (yeah, I know... kill the mosquitoes AND poison the humans to death! good plan... :rolleyes: )

Within days of moving in, the whole family became ill and stayed sick almost constantly for the 4 years we lived there. We filtered the well water for drinking, but didn't use a reverse osmosis system which is supposed to remove most toxins.

The weirdest symptom happened to me. For the first 2 weeks, my eyes puffed up enormously, and I mean HUGE, from showering in the well water. My upper lids looked like giant water blisters and both eyes were so swollen that they were nearly shut. They were in such bad condition that I couldn't use mascara or eye makeup. Since I'd never had this problem before, I suspected the well water. I had a company install a softener and filtration system. The eye problem went away and never came back.

Now I'm wondering if the illnesses experienced by the Tallman children could have been due to exposure to something in the house that they were allergic to or sensitive to. It could have been anything from mold to chemicals used in manufacturing the carpet. There could have been other reasons that the Tallman children could have taken ill, rather than by supernatural means.

Now I'm wondering if the illnesses experienced by the Tallman children could have been due to exposure to something in the house that they were allergic to or sensitive to. It could have been anything from mold to chemicals used in manufacturing the carpet. There could have been other reasons that the Tallman children could have taken ill, rather than by supernatural means.

Honestly, I thought the Tallman children getting ill could simply just be written off as a coincedence and that it was a real stretch to try and tie it to supernatural activity. I think your explanation is a pretty believable one.

I've never really felt the family was deliberately perpetuating a hoax and even if the supernatural events aren't real, I'm willing to believe that something like long-term exposure to mold and chemicals or a tainted water supply could have caused them to experience terrifying hallucinations. The only thing that goes against that theory for me was when the relative had that scary vision as I'm not sure if someone who didn't live in the house fulltime would have had enough exposure to cause hallucinations.

Sorry to bump an older thread but I just rewatched this one and wanted to throw my thoughts into the discussion. I think this was some sort of "religious" or "satanic panic" that seemed to run rampant back in the 80's. I believe the children being sick has absolutely nothing to do with anything supernatural. As others have stated, there are a myriad of reasons as to why children could get sick. And if one was sick, the others could easily have become exposed to the sickness and then they in turn became sick themselves. Happened all the time to my family when I was a kid. Anyway, I do honestly think the Tallman's believed that their house was haunted. I think it's coincidental that all of these visions began to happen when one of the children's rooms were moved. I think that small event triggered something that caused the child to start having nightmares, which then began to creep into the minds of the other children who also began to have nightmares and say they were seeing things when they in fact were simply dreaming. I tend to think the pastor they contacted didn't help matters much by saying their house was plauged by something "demonic", because that's when Allen and Debbie both began to believe their house was possessed by Satan. I think with that thought in their minds anything that happened that could normally be explained rationally (the paint brush, things moving, noises being heard), were believed to be the work of the devil. The fact that Allen also seemed to be short tempered and tired (probably from working the late shift) didn't help matters much.

I also think it's possible that the whole family was experiencing hallucinations brought on by some sort of toxin either in the air or water, but I don't know why the family that moved in after the Tallman's did not experience anything. I still think it's more likely that the Tallman's were God fearing people who were scared to death by the idea that Satan really was in their house and they actually started to believe it once their pastor told them it was the truth.

Honestly, I thought the Tallman children getting ill could simply just be written off as a coincedence and that it was a real stretch to try and tie it to supernatural activity. I think your explanation is a pretty believable one.

I've never really felt the family was deliberately perpetuating a hoax and even if the supernatural events aren't real, I'm willing to believe that something like long-term exposure to mold and chemicals or a tainted water supply could have caused them to experience terrifying hallucinations. The only thing that goes against that theory for me was when the relative had that scary vision as I'm not sure if someone who didn't live in the house fulltime would have had enough exposure to cause hallucinations.

Perhaps the relative was religious himself and saw something he thought was the "Devil" even though he claimed to be skeptical about the whole thing? That's what I think. Although it is possible he could have been exposed to some kind of toxin while staying in the home which would explain why he saw something but it really doesn't make sense that he would start experiencing hallucinations in that short amount of time.

When the relative looks up and screams in the re-enactment, that has to be the scariest 5 seconds in the history of UM!

I have to agree with you, Cars. What makes it even scarier is that we don't even see the ghost! I wonder why the relative would scream if all he saw was an old lady who glowed like fire.

I have to agree with you, Cars. What makes it even scarier is that we don't even see the ghost! I wonder why the relative would scream if all he saw was an old lady who glowed like fire.

I would scream if I saw an old lady in the middle of the night, and much louder and high pitched if one was on fire.

As scary as the relative's scream is, it was preceded by one of the greatest line readings Robert Stack ever made:

"Allen's relative was a complete sceptic. That night... he changed his mind!"

I definitely agree this is the scariest ghost segment ever produced on UM simply because we never actually see any ghosts and they leave everything to the viewer's imagination.

As scary as the relative's scream is, it was preceded by one of the greatest line readings Robert Stack ever made:

"Allen's relative was a complete sceptic. That night... he changed his mind!"

I definitely agree this is the scariest ghost segment ever produced on UM simply because we never actually see any ghosts and they leave everything to the viewer's imagination.

The segment goes from horrifying to hilarious in minutes. I always laugh when Allen goes into his little rant and starts to yell at the "entity".

The segment goes from horrifying to hilarious in minutes. I always laugh when Allen goes into his little rant and starts to yell at the "entity".

That scene was absolutely hilarious.

I have to agree with you, Cars. What makes it even scarier is that we don't even see the ghost! I wonder why the relative would scream if all he saw was an old lady who glowed like fire.
Yes, absolutely! I remember when I was kid watching and going, ''What? What?? What did they see to make them leave?!'' It was a good choice to leave it for the viewer to imagine and made it way creepier.

What happened to the Tallmans? They alive? They dead?

What happened to the Tallmans? They alive? They dead?

IIRC, the Tallman's are alive. I remember reading a skeptical account of their story on the internet years ago saying something to the effect of that they were an "oddball" family to say the least. The type of people that would speak in tongues, believe the devil was behind certain mishaps, etc. The author of the article thought that it was mostly the power of suggestion. I believe there was even a theory thrown around that they faked the hauntings to get out of paying their mortgage.

And the people who moved in after the Tallman's moved out had reported no problems or hauntings.

* Maryann watched a TV horror show featuring a fire and man wearing a pig's cap running out of it. For months, she was plagued by images of conflagrations and men in animal hats. This could have been psychological.

It would be fun to speculate which show this was.:)

What happened to the Tallmans? They alive? They dead?


Heh. That reminds me of someone.

Heh. That reminds me of someone.

lol who?

lol who?

LOL! You must have heard me call your name. Maybe we have telepathy. :lol:

This segment was insanely awesome when I was little and so open minded my brains could've fallen out. When I watch this segment as an adult, Its insanely ridiculous

i was terrified of this segment as a kid, especially the fire scene. Now i'm on the fence about whether or not it was a hoax or not.

I read from a book, (can't remember the name) that after the Tallman's left, the house supposedly had some poltergeist phenomenom. There was a report that winter where neighbors saw a snow blower moving by itself throughout the yard and the Tallman's had already left, don't know how true it is, but it's interesting.

Mr. Tallman and the relative also reported seeing not only an old lady, but a spectre that started up as mist on the floor and slowly swirl up into a figure, and then it says "you're dead". I don't know if i saw that even once i'd be out of there, UM did an incredible job during this segment because they didn't show any of the ghosts which make it 10x scarier.

This is an on obvious case of hallucination if it is not a hoax. The part that makes this most clear is the garage fire. A burning building would have gotten attention and witnesses

What were some of the most popular movies of the 80s and 90s?


The Exorcist, The Amityville Horror, and Poltergeist



Now look how similar all the haunting episodes are to those moves

Nuff said!

Is this segment part of the FilmRise episodes? I love the paranormal cases. I’m curious to see if this was the ghost segment that traumatized me as a child.

Is this segment part of the FilmRise episodes? I love the paranormal cases. I’m curious to see if this was the ghost segment that traumatized me as a child.

It is not on the Film Rise episodes, but you can easily find it if you google "Tallman's Ghost".

It is also on the DVD sets they released in the mid 2000's. Can remember the case creeping the hell out of me watching it as a 12 year old, when I saw it again as a 30 or so year old it was hilariously ridiculous-just like the woman with the foil coming out of her eyes.

Let's say hypothetically, these events did take place, how can it be then attributed to the bunk bed as being the source of the events? By claiming that they only took place while the bunk bed was in the house??



Based on my vast knowledge of documented hauntings and the supernatural, there have been many instances when an "object" seems to be the direct result of the then supernatural events or "hauntings". The object in some way is/was connected to the troublesome spirits at some point in the past.

Of course this can't be proven, but this is known to be common. We never got much more information on the bunkbed or where the Tallman's got it from. Where was it bought, was it bought used? What was it's history? They could have picked it up at a garage sale after the death of it's previous owner or flea market and it could have been 50+ years old with some kind of a vast history to look into. Now if it was bought new, it's more unlikely to not have these connections, but still not impossible.

This is an on obvious case of hallucination if it is not a hoax. The part that makes this most clear is the garage fire. A burning building would have gotten attention and witnesses

Again, not necessarily. Tallman worked 2nd or 3rd shift and may have come home very late, let's say 11pm or even after. Something of that nature - let'e say for the 10-20 seconds Allan saw it, wouldn't not necessarily be seen by any other neighbors - unless somebody happened to be looking out their windows facing Allan's garage, or standing out in their driveway at that precise moment looking towards Allan's house.

My neighbors house could catch fire at 2am, most of us won't see it or hear about it until hours later.

This is an on obvious case of hallucination if it is not a hoax. The part that makes this most clear is the garage fire. A burning building would have gotten attention and witnesses

No. Not necessarily. Remember Mr. Tallman worked late nights sometimes - he could have come home at 11pm or even 2am. For the 10 seconds (give or take) he witnessed what he thought was his garage on fire, some other neighbor would either have to be looking out a specific window at that exact small moment of time, or standing in their drive-way across the street.

Very unlikely. Assuming what Alan Tallman saw was real, it only lasted a few second of time. It was also very late at night, when most people probably aren't up looking out a window or walking around outside. A real fire could start in my neighbor's house one night and most of us probably wouldn't even see or know what happened until hours after the fact, or until we heard sirens (that would be for a longer lasting than 10 seconds, real fire though).

This isn't proving Alan's vision one way or the other, just stating that it's more than likely nobody else would have seen it for that brief stint of time.

Based on my vast knowledge of documented hauntings and the supernatural, there have been many instances when an "object" seems to be the direct result of the then supernatural events or "hauntings". The object in some way is/was connected to the troublesome spirits at some point in the past.

Of course this can't be proven, but this is known to be common. We never got much more information on the bunkbed or where the Tallman's got it from. Where was it bought, was it bought used? What was it's history? They could have picked it up at a garage sale after the death of it's previous owner or flea market and it could have been 50+ years old with some kind of a vast history to look into. Now if it was bought new, it's more unlikely to not have these connections, but still not impossible.

The Wiki said they got it from a second hand shop. One must ask why they seem to have the only haunted bunk beds in history.

The Wiki said they got it from a second hand shop. One must ask why they seem to have the only haunted bunk beds in history.

Over the years I've often theorized what the ghost's beef was with the Tallman's. It often revolved around fire or an "old lady".

Maybe at one point in its history some old lady owned the bunkbed. Maybe she at some point lost a child (or grandchildren) to a fire in her house, and lived out her surviving days very bitter and angry. Maybe somebody at some point died in the bunkbed (or who used the bunkbed), and that was how the connection played out.

Again this is just an assumption. It's probable the spirits/ghosts didn't have an intitial personal issue with the Tallman's or their house per se, but that's just where that bunkbed happened to end up and as Stack narrated at the end of the episode - perhaps they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time..

Over the years I've often theorized what the ghost's beef was with the Tallman's. It often revolved around fire or an "old lady".

Maybe at one point in its history some old lady owned the bunkbed. Maybe she at some point lost a child (or grandchildren) to a fire in her house, and lived out her surviving days very bitter and angry. Maybe somebody at some point died in the bunkbed (or who used the bunkbed), and that was how the connection played out.

Again this is just an assumption. It's probable the spirits/ghosts didn't have an intitial personal issue with the Tallman's or their house per se, but that's just where that bunkbed happened to end up and as Stack narrated at the end of the episode - perhaps they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time..

Occam's razor would lend towards they made the whole thing up.

So glad I blocked that skeptic a long time ago.