View Full Version : Bobbie Parker, victim or accomplice???!!!!
mercy1825 04-06-2005, 09:39 AM I believe Bobbie was an accomplice. Read all the articles out there about Dial's capture. She has no interest in living her old life and wants to stay and raise chickens where her and Dial were hiding out. I cannot believe someone could be as cold and heartless as she appears to be.
http://www.nbc10.com/news/4346090/detail.html
crystaldawn 04-06-2005, 10:28 AM You know there are conflicting reports on this aspect. All that was said was this guy knew of no plans of her returning to her family. The media has then jumped to the conclusion that she didn't want to go back. I watched a few tv interviews on this today and one said she was reunited with her husband last night. They also said she was threatened with her life and the lives of her family thats what kept her from leaving all those years. She knew he was a convicted murderer and he knew exactly where her family lived since he used to be their lawn work so I don't think she was a willing accomplice. They said some neighbors reported that she seemed happy while others said she seemed to be fearful all the time. I feel sorry for her and think the last 10 years was a nightmare for her and can't imagine having to go through something like that. All the accounts I've heard say that there was not a romantic relationship between them at any time, so what would be her motive in leaving her husband and children?
mercy1825 04-06-2005, 11:16 AM I am sorry crystaldawn. You may be right. Who knows what she went through. I believe in Stockholm Syndrome and this seems like an appropriate application for it.
http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20030324.html
crystaldawn 04-06-2005, 11:20 AM No need to apologize! :)
I do agree with you that she could be a victim of Stockholm Syndrome. Maybe Dateline or one of those news shows will snag an interview with her after she's been able to get back to some sort of normal life than we can find out what her past 10 years have been like. I've read the book about Randolph Dial and think it would be really interesting if Bobbi were to write a book about her experience.
Brent88 04-06-2005, 12:03 PM Something is REALLY fishy... she's either got the syndrome or she was an accomplice.
Koala 04-06-2005, 12:40 PM I don't know how valid this is but just a thought - Could not Bobby and Mr. Dial not have had an agreement that in the event they were ever caught that they would claim she was kidnapped and held under threat of harm to her family to spare Bobby Parker and give Dial a chance at going to a cushy federal prison on the grounds that kidnapping is under federal jurisdiction?
CrushedVelvet 04-06-2005, 03:32 PM Some of you on this board have discussed show times for UM and I am wondering where you found updates on all that. I am wondering if Lifetime plans to change the times/days they play UM in the next season, etc. I am so bored with The Nanny re-runs I could scream. I liked UM on late at night, made it spookier and easier to be around to record it. Anyone know any info ??
crystaldawn 04-06-2005, 05:21 PM I check the Lifetime website under "Unsolved Mysteries" then click on "Upcoming Episodes". Right now they don't have any descriptions listed except for April 15th. Here is the link:
http://www.lifetimetv.com/cgi/scripts/tv_byshow.pl?show=unsolved
justins5256 04-06-2005, 11:40 PM I believe Bobbie was an accomplice. Read all the articles out there about Dial's capture. She has no interest in living her old life and wants to stay and raise chickens where her and Dial were hiding out. I cannot believe someone could be as cold and heartless as she appears to be.
I'm going to wait until more information becomes available before I make that judgment, as there are a lot of conflicting stories right now. For what it's worth, whether she was an accomplice or not, I'm sure she "adjusted" to life with Dial, and a change of this magnitude would probably not be the easiest thing in the world. Threatned or not, she did live with the guy for a decade.
Just my two cents.
Justin
CrushedVelvet 04-07-2005, 01:25 AM What the heck? I thought I started a new thread.... Dont know how it ended up under this??? Weird....anyway, thanks for the info! :confused:
Detox 04-10-2005, 10:29 PM She was held captive for 11 years while she worked at a chicken ranch...she could have drove all the way to oklahoma to tip off authorities before a 8 shift would end...she is a liar/accomplice
Koala 04-11-2005, 01:30 AM I believe in compassion for people and benefit of the doubt, but I gotta wonder if Bobbi Parker was not the wife of a warden would she have been reunited with her family that soon? If it is a case of Stockholm syndrome I am glad that she has been treated with compassion, however, the average Jane would probably be under the bright lights of interrogation a lot longer. Perhaps she was so traumatized that it was obvious she was not faking. Anyway I am sure there will be more scrutiny as time goes on.
PracTz 04-11-2005, 11:56 AM I think it's interesting that not only does Bobbie herself claim to have stayed with him out of fear for her family's safety but Randolph Dial himself has stated that he held her captive. He had nothing to lose to say she'd willingly gone willingly so, at this point, I think the odds may favour her having been abducted against her will and staying in the belief that her family would be otherwise harmed!
crystaldawn 04-11-2005, 12:07 PM I totally agree with your PracTz! Bobbi fully knew what Dial was capable of. Wasn't he even in prison for a murder that was supposed to be a mob hit. He probably told her he had connections. Did anyone watch the AMW update about it Saturday night? He said he convinced her if she got away that he would too and he'd kill her family. Of course he claimed he wasn't serious when he said that but she didn't know that. Of course he was serious! She was probably resigned to the fact that this was what she had to do to keep her family safe and somehow settled in. Thank goodness for AMW so that her nightmare can come to an end!
Blackout 04-16-2005, 02:44 AM well if he cared about her enough to make her an accomplice, why would he throw her under the bus after hes caught?
shes just another deadbeat redneck, only this time a fugitive as well
buckeyeblogger 01-16-2006, 11:25 PM Just saw this story from UM...had never seen their segment but I remember the story (and all of its bizarre twists and turns) from last spring when Dial was caught.
Call me a realist or cold hearted and cruel..call me whatever you want but I don't believe in Stockholm syndrome...Bobbie Parker was an accomplice.
LooksLikeCRicci 01-16-2006, 11:46 PM she was effin him.
LOL. You kill me, Tony.
buckeyeblogger 01-17-2006, 12:02 AM she was effin him.
That's another way of putting it, yes.
Allierain 01-17-2006, 01:30 AM "Call me a realist or cold hearted and cruel..call me whatever you want but I don't believe in Stockholm syndrome...Bobbie Parker was an accomplice."
I don't know about Stockholm syndrome, but I agree that it doesn't look like Bobbie Parker was completely unwilling in this situation. I know that not everybody reacts the same way in certain situations, and I don't know what it's like to be held "against my will", but even if I feared the safety of my family, I'd bend over backwards to try and get in touch with them in anyway possible, to let them know that I am at least alive. So far as I know, Bobbie did nothing even though I heard that she had some freedom while she was with Dial.
I just find it hard to believe that Bobbie was purely a captive.
wiseguy182 12-17-2006, 07:22 AM Well I believe that, given Bobbi's frantic calls to her family right after she vanished, she was not a willing accomplice. Some reports said she seemed happy with Dial, but that was probably acting. She probably knew that if she seemed unhappy, that Dial would make things miserable for her later on.
But...........
Did anyone else think it was strange that a murderer was allowed to leave the prison grounds and go next door to a house, and work with someone ALONE? I mean, "model prisoner" or not, the guy is still a murderer - and he confessed to it. What's more is that Bobbi didn't seem to be bothered by this.
But in the end, I just don't think Bobbi would have left her husband and kids.
scc1222 08-15-2011, 05:48 AM I believe Bobbie was an accomplice. Read all the articles out there about Dial's capture. She has no interest in living her old life and wants to stay and raise chickens where her and Dial were hiding out. I cannot believe someone could be as cold and heartless as she appears to be.
http://www.nbc10.com/news/4346090/detail.html
I agree.I can't believe Randy took her back.
scc1222 08-15-2011, 05:54 AM I totally agree with your PracTz! Bobbi fully knew what Dial was capable of. Wasn't he even in prison for a murder that was supposed to be a mob hit. He probably told her he had connections. Did anyone watch the AMW update about it Saturday night? He said he convinced her if she got away that he would too and he'd kill her family. Of course he claimed he wasn't serious when he said that but she didn't know that. Of course he was serious! She was probably resigned to the fact that this was what she had to do to keep her family safe and somehow settled in. Thank goodness for AMW so that her nightmare can come to an end!
at one point Bobbi said she wondered if she should call her family and let them know that's she was ok,or just let them think she was dead..she sounds very cold and calculating to me.and don't think that some women/mothers can't be that way.
TheCars1986 08-15-2011, 12:23 PM She had hours upon hours alone with Dial, working at the prison and/or her house. Why would Dial feel the need to abduct Bonnie anyway? If he was free to roam from the prison to the house, why not simply hit the ground running and not look back? And just how did he get Bonnie to cooperate for all of those years on the run? By threatening her family? Wouldn't that be ludicrous considering the distance they were away from her family? She never once called her family to let them know she was alright, nor did she ever attempt to escape (at least that we know of, she hasn't came out and said she tried to flee from Dial but was caught or afraid), and that speaks volumes to me. For what it's worth, I think she was in on it the whole time, she did fall in "love" with Dial, and the whole "scared for my family's life" is a ruse because she's feels guilty for leaving them for all of those years.
scc1222 08-15-2011, 03:17 PM She had hours upon hours alone with Dial, working at the prison and/or her house. Why would Dial feel the need to abduct Bonnie anyway? If he was free to roam from the prison to the house, why not simply hit the ground running and not look back?
I noticed n part 2 of 'randolph dial' on youtube,that Randy had felt Dial was spending way too much time at their home with Bobbi (7 days a week),and had warned him that if he messed up,he would show him what administrative justice was all about.And he said Dial was very aware of that.I think once Dial figured out he wasn't going to be able to have an affair with Bobbi right under Randy's nose,he then talked Bobbi into running off with him.I think she had fallen for him big time by then,and I don't think Dial wanted to run away alone,when he could have Bobbi with him.I'm not sure he even wanted to leave until he met her,but I could be wrong.
scc1222 08-15-2011, 04:32 PM And just how did he get Bonnie to cooperate for all of those years on the run? By threatening her family? Wouldn't that be ludicrous considering the distance they were away from her family?
that's what I think,too.and she had to have gotten to know him well enough to know that he no longer had any real connections.he was of no use to anyone once he got convicted,and I'm sure she knew that.
She never once called her family to let them know she was alright,
other than the 2 short calls right at first,not that I've seen.
or did she ever attempt to escape (at least that we know of, she hasn't came out and said she tried to flee from Dial but was caught or afraid), and that speaks volumes to me.
I agree.
For what it's worth, I think she was in on it the whole time, she did fall in "love" with Dial, and the whole "scared for my family's life" is a ruse because she's feels guilty for leaving them for all of those years.I don't know about feeling guilty,but imo I think she's trying hard to save her own arse from prison at this point.she didn't even want her husb. and girls back until Dial died..and she knows it would look good for her to have them on her side.
TheCars1986 08-16-2011, 10:09 AM I don't know about feeling guilty,but imo I think she's trying hard to save her own arse from prison at this point.she didn't even want her husb. and girls back until Dial died..and she knows it would look good for her to have them on her side.
I didn't even know Dial died. But if Bonnie waited until his death before she reunited with her family, then she most certainly was not a victim.
crystaldawn 08-16-2011, 12:20 PM I didn't even know Dial died. But if Bonnie waited until his death before she reunited with her family, then she most certainly was not a victim.
He died well after Bobbi was found and reunited with her family. He did state as soon as he was recaptured that she didn't go willingly. He had threatened to kill her family and with him being a hitman she knew he was capable of it. Dial also stated that he drugged Bobbi regularly and if he got the impression she was ready to try to run he would drug her to make her stay. Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't think she left willingly. I believe she may have had some sort of stockholm syndrome (along with the repeatedly being drugged) that made her stay. Also Dial was so full of himself I think if Bobbi had left with him willingly he would have been all too happy to tell everyone.
WishfulDreamer 08-16-2011, 02:36 PM I know it sounds absolutely preposterous to most people that she could have stayed with him for over 10 years. But if he did threaten to kill her family if she ran, that's a good reason right there to stay. He himself was a hit man and had ties to others. Criminals can write letters/ have visitors in prison and he very well could have tried something even if she ran and had him arrested. I do believe in Stockholm Syndrome, absolutely, and if she was drugged repeatedly that really would have hindered her ability to run, especially if she was told her family would be in danger if she tried anything. I agree CD.
TheCars1986 08-16-2011, 03:41 PM Apparently, Bobbie Parker wrote an alleged "lover letter" to Dial before he died.
http://newsok.com/bobbi-parker-letter-to-randolph-dial-read-in-court/article/3583670
Do you honestly think this is a "survival letter" as her defense attorney claims? If so, I've got a bridge for sale you might be interested in.
scc1222 08-16-2011, 04:38 PM Apparently, Bobbie Parker wrote an alleged "lover letter" to Dial before he died.
http://newsok.com/bobbi-parker-letter-to-randolph-dial-read-in-court/article/3583670
Do you honestly think this is a "survival letter" as her defense attorney claims? If so, I've got a bridge for sale you might be interested in.
I agree! she stayed with him willingly.and I did get that wrong..she stayed with Dial until he was captured (not died,although he did die shortly after that),then and only then after he was captured did she reunite with her family.Dial had also went on at least on trip for several days(to buy a book someone wrote about him) and Bobbi did nothing to try and escape.
there is also the damning testimony of the nude painting that was found of Bobbi by a prison worker in their garage,painted by Dial:
http://newsok.com/nude-painting-of-a-woman-by-randolph-dial-said-to-be-of-bobbi-parker/article/3589309
scc1222 08-16-2011, 04:47 PM from the link:
“There was one painting of Bobbi Parker nude. She was standing, looking over her shoulder,” Parks testified. “I motioned for (supervisor) Larry Hahn to come over. … He took it in the house and showed it to Randy Parker.
“I saw Randy Parker looking at this painting. Just almost in tears. Like he just couldn't believe what he was seeing,” Parks told jurors.
http://newsok.com/nude-painting-of-a-woman-by-randolph-dial-said-to-be-of-bobbi-parker/article/3589309#ixzz1VE6OQ3Di
So Randy did know or had reason to suspect Bobbi did not leave willingly.I also felt that was so on the UM segment..that he and LE went with the 'she was kidnapped' version in order to coax Bobbi (and thus reveal Dial's whereabouts) out of hiding.I know in a book I was reading about the case that Bobbi was last seen driving the van away from their house...she was NOT drugged as was portrayed.I also noticed UM didn't say whether she packed any clothes or anything...am guessing she did at least throw a few things together.Thus all of it is very daming evidence against her,and I doubt her husb. is going to get on the stand and tell the whole truth,since he has decided to take her back no matter what.
I used to feel sorry for this family and I do still for their girls,but am thinking now that Randy and Bobbi probably deserve each other.
XCalibur 08-16-2011, 10:32 PM I'm really divided about this, I admit its a little fishy that Bobbi failed to escape all those years. But two things make it difficult for me to believe Bobbi went willingly:
1. The drugs Randolph Dial was setting out to acquire right before they dissapeared are difficult for the Bobbi was a willing accomplice crowd to explain away. Why would Dial bother to do that if he thought she would run off willingly?
2. That Dial himself admitted he held her captive, Dial seems like the type who would have bragged to high heaven if Bobbi had run away with him cause she wanted to.
I do know this, we can only really speculate. You can't judge whats in a person's heart, thats why I'm not really with the crowd whose condemned her as an accomplice. Some things there is just no way of knowing for sure.
crystaldawn 08-17-2011, 07:12 AM As far as her not being drugged when she was initially taken that was just speculation given in the UM segment as to how he could have done it. I believe Dial stated that as she was driving away with him he held a knife to the carotid artery in her leg so she would comply. In my opinion I always thought that was pretty odd and specific information to just make up after the fact as a story to get the heat off of Bobbi so I tend to believe it.
Lets also remember that Dial was a very intelligent man. He knew how to manipulate people. The picture of Bobbi nude was painted before he even escaped prison so its very possible with him having a thing for her he just drew it from imagination of what she looked like. He could have placed it in their garage intentionally as a dig to Randy and to make him think they had something going on. I also found this quote from Dial about how he kept Bobbi with him while on the run:
“Many many times during the years we were in the wind together I had the feeling she might be ready to bolt,” Dial wrote. “It was during those times I induced what is probably best described as ‘drug induced hypnotic suggestion' to bend her will. It's my guess she doesn't even have a clue about the methods I utilized to shape her consciousness.”
Read more: http://newsok.com/bobbi-parker-wants-inmates-letters-used-in-court/article/3590847#ixzz1VHfTzJMF
Apostapler 08-17-2011, 12:01 PM I'm a cynic, what can I say? My gut says they really did fall in love, and she ran away willingly, and he said the things he did in his letters to protect her.
TheCars1986 08-17-2011, 12:39 PM I'm a cynic, what can I say? My gut says they really did fall in love, and she ran away willingly, and he said the things he did in his letters to protect her.
I tend to agree with Apostapler, I think Dial was saying all of these things to protect her. I do not buy the fact that he was drugging her constantly for eleven years. Don't these sedatives cost money? And weren't they found living on a run down chicken farm?
scc1222 08-17-2011, 03:36 PM As far as her not being drugged when she was initially taken that was just speculation given in the UM segment as to how he could have done it. I believe Dial stated that as she was driving away with him he held a knife to the carotid artery in her leg so she would comply. In my opinion I always thought that was pretty odd and specific information to just make up after the fact as a story to get the heat off of Bobbi so I tend to believe it.
Lets also remember that Dial was a very intelligent man. He knew how to manipulate people. The picture of Bobbi nude was painted before he even escaped prison so its very possible with him having a thing for her he just drew it from imagination of what she looked like. He could have placed it in their garage intentionally as a dig to Randy and to make him think they had something going on. I also found this quote from Dial about how he kept Bobbi with him while on the run:
“Many many times during the years we were in the wind together I had the feeling she might be ready to bolt,” Dial wrote. “It was during those times I induced what is probably best described as ‘drug induced hypnotic suggestion' to bend her will. It's my guess she doesn't even have a clue about the methods I utilized to shape her consciousness.”
Read more: http://newsok.com/bobbi-parker-wants-inmates-letters-used-in-court/article/3590847#ixzz1VHfTzJMF
no it's not speculation,testimony given at trial is the following,note he saw NOTHING in Dial's hands,not to mention,it would be difficult for her to drive drugged up:
On the day they disappeared together, the inmate said he saw Bobbi Parker get into the driver's side of the family's van.
"And then Dial got in the van," the inmate said. Dial was in the van's passenger side when Bobbi Parker quickly drove out of the prison, he said.
Defense attorney Garvin Isaacs has alleged that Dial drugged Parker and forced her in the van at knifepoint, but the inmate said Parker did not appear to be drugged and that he saw nothing in Dial's hands.
Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/7683983.html#ixzz1VJgxr63p
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/7683983.html
scc1222 08-17-2011, 03:39 PM I tend to agree with Apostapler, I think Dial was saying all of these things to protect her. I do not buy the fact that he was drugging her constantly for eleven years. Don't these sedatives cost money? And weren't they found living on a run down chicken farm?
I don't either.we don't know why he wanted the valium..perhaps it was for himself,so he could have the nerve to go thru with it.
Prosecution says they had a pact that if they got caught,they would allege that Bobbi was taken against her will.that sounds the more likely scenario.
scc1222 08-17-2011, 03:43 PM Lets also remember that Dial was a very intelligent man. He knew how to manipulate people. The picture of Bobbi nude was painted before he even escaped prison so its very possible with him having a thing for her he just drew it from imagination of what she looked like. He could have placed it in their garage intentionally as a dig to Randy and to make him think they had something going on.
I think it's safe to say that Randy 'recognized' his wife,thus the fact he looked upset and could no longer deny what was going on.and he didn't find the painting...it's wasn't found until his garage was ordered cleaned out,then and even then it apparently wasn't in a place easily found,since it had to be dug out from behind others.
justins5256 08-17-2011, 05:46 PM I like the photo of Bobbi working at the chicken farm with a big smile on her face.
scc1222 08-18-2011, 12:14 AM I like the photo of Bobbi working at the chicken farm with a big smile on her face.
LOL I think her hub should move there with her n help her tend to the chickens.
(if she doesn't go to prison,that is).
DarkDante 08-18-2011, 01:10 AM You know I remember watching this story for the first time over a decade ago and feeling that something wasn't right with how the story was portrayed.
I don't want to point fingers because I have no proof of what actually happened either way but the way the story was presented always bothered me as if there was more to the story than what was being told.
For me the fact that Dial had such unrestricted access to the Parker home bothered me a bit. If he was becoming that much of a problem case inside the Parker home why weren't his privileges to work outside the prison revoked at any time?
I also share in others confusion about Parker and Dial's activities while they were on the run for so many years but to be quite frank this is another case where I feel as if time, money and effort would better be spent elsewhere. Dial is dead and I personally don't believe there is any way to conclusively prove that Parker aided him in his escape. That being said it's my personal feeling that everything that is going on currently in the courtrooms surrounding this case is a massive waste of time.
scc1222 08-18-2011, 01:50 AM You know I remember watching this story for the first time over a decade ago and feeling that something wasn't right with how the story was portrayed.
for starters,you'd have to beleive that Bobbi made her husb. lunch,left a note saying she was going shopping,and then,somehow got sidetracked long enough to somehow ingest valium given to her by Dial.it just doesn't add up...she left the 'shopping' note as a ruse to buy them more time to get away.
For me the fact that Dial had such unrestricted access to the Parker home bothered me a bit. If he was becoming that much of a problem case inside the Parker home why weren't his privileges to work outside the prison revoked at any time?it appears the warden was way too lenient,as I saw in a clip about it.they worked on a good behavior and point system,and besides that,Dial appears to have been good buddies with the head warden.
I also share in others confusion about Parker and Dial's activities while they were on the run for so many years but to be quite frank this is another case where I feel as if time, money and effort would better be spent elsewhere. Dial is dead and I personally don't believe there is any way to conclusively prove that Parker aided him in his escape. That being said it's my personal feeling that everything that is going on currently in the courtrooms surrounding this case is a massive waste of time.
there seems to be plenty of evidence and I always try to think of the victim's family and friends..how would they feel?I'm sure they want to see justice served.
TheCars1986 08-18-2011, 09:32 AM I like the photo of Bobbi working at the chicken farm with a big smile on her face.
Where did you see the picture? Usually when someone is unwillingly taken away from their husband and two kids they don't have much of a reason to smile. Unless those damn chickens were extra delicious.
justins5256 08-18-2011, 01:16 PM Where did you see the picture? Usually when someone is unwillingly taken away from their husband and two kids they don't have much of a reason to smile. Unless those damn chickens were extra delicious.
http://downloads.newsok.com/flash_video/theoklahoman/slideshows/parker_dial/600_450/a26bobbi1a.jpg
TheCars1986 08-18-2011, 03:32 PM First thing I'm thinking when looking at that picture is, "DROP THE CHICKENS AND RUN!" But then again, that's if she were a victim which I do not believe for a second.
Apostapler 08-19-2011, 09:23 AM Yeah, she sure looks like she was miserable there...
crystaldawn 08-19-2011, 10:19 AM When I heard mention of a picture of her smiling at the chicken farm I was expecting this big grin looking at the camera. Instead its a picture of the side of her face with a nervous smile as she's holding that big tray (probably knowing she was being photographed). A big stretch to read anything into that if you ask me.
Apostapler 08-19-2011, 10:31 AM I see your point, CD. It's not like people don't fake emotions for cameras.
TheCars1986 08-19-2011, 10:40 AM I see your point, CD. It's not like people don't fake emotions for cameras.
Yes, but Dial is nowhere to be seen in this picture. Unless he was the one taking the picture, of course. She still had ample time IMHO to reach out to either the owner of the farm or one of the workers there for help.
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