I can't believe they're going to show this one! I guess I picked the right day to take an early lunch break. This should be good.

That's the saddest segment I've ever watched.

There's no doubt in my mind that Suge had something to do with it. Suge Knight, at that time, seriously had as much power as the mafia. If someone wanted to knock somebody out and get away with it, Suge could do it. I watched a documentary a while back where they said that Suge basically had the entire LVPD on his payroll. I know he was in huge debt to 2pac at this time and 2pac was about to leave Death Row and start his own record company, Makaveli Records. I think Suge just didn't want to pay him and had him killed.

To pull off what happened to 2pac, you need to have a lot of power to not only get past Pac's huge entourage, but then to have the whole thing covered up the way it was. If Suge Knight really cared, he could have found out who did it and had that person killed immediately. I also remember watching an interview with Suge about the shooting, and he told his interviewer that he still had a bullet lodged in his head from the attack. That's a total 100% lie since he was never shot in the head, he only got a graze wound. Plus, I think the killer would have shot both Pac and Suge instead of just Pac. Unless, of course, he was hired out by Suge himself.

Anyways, those are my jumbled up ideas. Anyone else care to comment on this case?

I don't know a whole lot about this story except for just viewing the UM segment but what struck me as odd is why wouldn't Suge have tried to follow the car that just shot his friend? He was driving the car that Tupac was in when he was shot, right? It seems that RS said he drove in the OPPOSITE direction for about a mile before stopping. If he was involved I'm sure he wouldn't want the occupants of the car caught in case they would tell what they knew. Plus it would give them plenty of time to make a quick getaway. Your theory sounds pretty good, Mr. Fuji, especially since the only possible witness to the killers wound up dead later.

im the official 2pac expert of this board so I've gotta give my 10 cents :D

I'm 100% convinced that Orlando Anderson was the killer for many reasons. The reason for the fight/beatdown in the hotel lobby was because Orlando allegedly stole jewelry from someone on Death Row records that was worth up to $1 million. Obviously three hours after the scuffle ended, Pac was killed. On September 8th (the day after the shooting), police reports state that witness's came forward and cliam he went around bragging with his fellow gang members (the crips) that he "got pac". Theres actually a 10 page police investigation that was disclosed by the government detailing all the major gang related activity between the southside crips and piru bloods after 2pac's murder including major leaders that seems to suggest that this was fueled as a result of the crips killing Pac.

Orlando Anderson himself was killed in 1997 at a car wash after getting in a fight with some nut over something car related (not gang related).

I don't buy into the inside-deal theory because of a few reasons. One, Suge wouldn't be stupid enough to put his own life on the line in this way, considering all it could take is one quick move by 2pac that could result in a bullet missing Pac and hitting Suge. Two, Yafeu and the rest of the Outlawz (Pac's former group, used to be on Death row records) would've let this slip away considering Suge was their business assosiate too, and anything related to what Suge does would easily been known throughout the label.

Although there are rumors saying Pac "would have" left Death row after his contract was up, these were just some of 2pac's ex-label mates at death row who left the label on bad terms with Suge who were desperate to make him look bad. Pac stated in interviews how when his contract was up, he was going to make his own label (Makaveli records) and run it diractly through death row. Not that I have anything against them, most people (myself included) have come to the conclusion that anything stated by OFTB, Daz Dillinger (of the dogg pound), Snoop Dogg etc. about Suge being involved with Pac's murder is going to be extremely biased.

Yafeu Fula (the witness; also 2pac's god-cousin) was murdered on November 10th 1996 by a family-friend, and the murder was completely unrelated to the 2pac case.

The killer, Roddy, confessed to it saying it was an accident and that they were both high and his gun went off, but KAdafis girlfriend, the only witness in the building, was in the room next door and told the cops they were argueing over money. Roddy apparently pulled out a gun and Kadafi's last words were "Get that gun out of my face". The murder was officially ruled as an accident, so Roddy only recieved manslaughter charges :(

He has a website dedicated to him called www.yakikadafi.com and its ran by his 'estate'. Now theres a stupid "about me" section with a fake biography written in crappy street ebonics that looks really corny, but the old version of the website had a huge letter written by his mother in regards to his life, career, death and the story about the guy who murdered him.


I just realised how much I typed, but I guess its a good read for those who are interested :)

edit: my mistake, I guess the part about Yafeu's murder on the site was taken down after all

Shoot! I missed the 2Pac segment again!! :(

Is law enforcement actively working the 2Pac case anymore?

For what it's worth, I used to have a friend who adamently believed that Tupac was still alive. :rolleyes:

Justin

For what it's worth, I used to have a friend who adamently believed that Tupac was still alive. :rolleyes:

Justin
Yeah, so did I, actually, until the 7th anniversary of his death. I guess I didn't 100% believe it, but there was a part of me that hoped it was true. The alive theory is another discussion, though.

Yeah, so did I, actually, until the 7th anniversary of his death. I guess I didn't 100% believe it, but there was a part of me that hoped it was true. The alive theory is another discussion, though.
Well he seems to be churning out alot of records, so i would not be surprised if he was still alive. It would be great that he was laive though. Maybe he can put a stop to alot of the crap music that comes out of the radio nowadays that label themselves as hip hop :|

Well he seems to be churning out alot of records, so i would not be surprised if he was still alive. It would be great that he was laive though. Maybe he can put a stop to alot of the crap music that comes out of the radio nowadays that label themselves as hip hop :|

2pac had several projects that were scrapped/reshaped by Interscope due to contraversy around the lyrics

one of the members of Thug Life was quoted as saying that the original Thug Life cd was rejected and they were forced to start over, and the same thing goes for Me Against the World, so that explains where all the material from R U Still Down and Loyal to the Game came from

and Pac worked in the studio all summer in 1996 for alot of projects including 2 soundtracks that fell through when he died, and thats where the other posthumous albums came from

im not trying to make it sound like 2pac had no life and lived in the studio all the time, but he had a work ethic that never stopped

its just a damn shame that his estate decided to remix all the material with watered down commercial beats and removing the original guests and replacing them with garbage like 50 cent

thank god for people bootlegging the original versions

im the official 2pac expert of this board so I've gotta give my 10 cents :D

I'm 100% convinced that Orlando Anderson was the killer for many reasons. The reason for the fight/beatdown in the hotel lobby was because Orlando allegedly stole jewelry from someone on Death Row records that was worth up to $1 million. Obviously three hours after the scuffle ended, Pac was killed. On September 8th (the day after the shooting), police reports state that witness's came forward and cliam he went around bragging with his fellow gang members (the crips) that he "got pac". Theres actually a 10 page police investigation that was disclosed by the government detailing all the major gang related activity between the southside crips and piru bloods after 2pac's murder including major leaders that seems to suggest that this was fueled as a result of the crips killing Pac.

Orlando Anderson himself was killed in 1997 at a car wash after getting in a fight with some nut over something car related (not gang related).

I don't buy into the inside-deal theory because of a few reasons. One, Suge wouldn't be stupid enough to put his own life on the line in this way, considering all it could take is one quick move by 2pac that could result in a bullet missing Pac and hitting Suge. Two, Yafeu and the rest of the Outlawz (Pac's former group, used to be on Death row records) would've let this slip away considering Suge was their business assosiate too, and anything related to what Suge does would easily been known throughout the label.

Although there are rumors saying Pac "would have" left Death row after his contract was up, these were just some of 2pac's ex-label mates at death row who left the label on bad terms with Suge who were desperate to make him look bad. Pac stated in interviews how when his contract was up, he was going to make his own label (Makaveli records) and run it diractly through death row. Not that I have anything against them, most people (myself included) have come to the conclusion that anything stated by OFTB, Daz Dillinger (of the dogg pound), Snoop Dogg etc. about Suge being involved with Pac's murder is going to be extremely biased.

Yafeu Fula (the witness; also 2pac's god-cousin) was murdered on November 10th 1996 by a family-friend, and the murder was completely unrelated to the 2pac case.

The killer, Roddy, confessed to it saying it was an accident and that they were both high and his gun went off, but KAdafis girlfriend, the only witness in the building, was in the room next door and told the cops they were argueing over money. Roddy apparently pulled out a gun and Kadafi's last words were "Get that gun out of my face". The murder was officially ruled as an accident, so Roddy only recieved manslaughter charges :(

He has a website dedicated to him called www.yakikadafi.com and its ran by his 'estate'. Now theres a stupid "about me" section with a fake biography written in crappy street ebonics that looks really corny, but the old version of the website had a huge letter written by his mother in regards to his life, career, death and the story about the guy who murdered him.


I just realised how much I typed, but I guess its a good read for those who are interested :)

Wow! That site is definitely creative and beautiful. I've seen so many sloppy and uncreative dedication sites but with this one, it's pretty obvious that the webmaster (or what ever the correct term is) had him in mind.

You know what, I shouldn't belittle those sites because any sentimental dedication is a remembrance of the deceased.

That's the saddest segment I've ever watched.

There's no doubt in my mind that Suge had something to do with it. Suge Knight, at that time, seriously had as much power as the mafia. If someone wanted to knock somebody out and get away with it, Suge could do it. I watched a documentary a while back where they said that Suge basically had the entire LVPD on his payroll. I know he was in huge debt to 2pac at this time and 2pac was about to leave Death Row and start his own record company, Makaveli Records. I think Suge just didn't want to pay him and had him killed.

To pull off what happened to 2pac, you need to have a lot of power to not only get past Pac's huge entourage, but then to have the whole thing covered up the way it was. If Suge Knight really cared, he could have found out who did it and had that person killed immediately. I also remember watching an interview with Suge about the shooting, and he told his interviewer that he still had a bullet lodged in his head from the attack. That's a total 100% lie since he was never shot in the head, he only got a graze wound. Plus, I think the killer would have shot both Pac and Suge instead of just Pac. Unless, of course, he was hired out by Suge himself.

Anyways, those are my jumbled up ideas. Anyone else care to comment on this case?

To be honest with you, I've always felt that Tupac (or 2Pac) didn't trust Suge nor hold him in such high regard as much as people thought he did. He saw that recording contract offer as a way out of jail and wasted no time accepting it. Being that Suge is the slippery, bullying character in which he truly is, there isn't a single doubt in my mind that every single accusation of physical violence, in which had been brought up against him by some of his former artists, is true. Sometimes you're right about positive and negative instincts regarding someone and sometimes you're wrong but as far as Suge is concerned, he just gives off that negative vibe. Like there isn't an ounce of comfort you'd get from him being in your presence.

It's so hard to believe it's been almost a decade! :eek:

and removing the original guests


like the outlawz and bone thugs and harmony :mad:


It's so hard to believe it's been almost a decade! :eek:
yeah the cops don't seem really motivated to solve the case.same with biggie,especialy sense people implicate LAPD. :( .i feel so bad for their mothers

I have a question about 2 pac. Maybe Blackout 805 can help or anyone else who is familiar with 2pacs music. My brother is a huge fan of 2pac, and he played me a song once, that I believe was released a while after his death. I am not sure it was even a 2pac song, maybe it was by an artist on that label. In the beginning og the song you hear gunshots and a voice say almost in a whisper " Suge killed 2pac" or something to that effect. It gave me the creeps. What song was that? Blackout805 or someone help me out! Maybe I was hearing things, but i don't think so since my brother heard it to, and played it for me just so I could hear that.

I have a question about 2 pac. Maybe Blackout 805 can help or anyone else who is familiar with 2pacs music. My brother is a huge fan of 2pac, and he played me a song once, that I believe was released a while after his death. I am not sure it was even a 2pac song, maybe it was by an artist on that label. In the beginning og the song you hear gunshots and a voice say almost in a whisper " Suge killed 2pac" or something to that effect. It gave me the creeps. What song was that? Blackout805 or someone help me out! Maybe I was hearing things, but i don't think so since my brother heard it to, and played it for me just so I could hear that.

That was on the Makaveli album.

I have a question about 2 pac. Maybe Blackout 805 can help or anyone else who is familiar with 2pacs music. My brother is a huge fan of 2pac, and he played me a song once, that I believe was released a while after his death. I am not sure it was even a 2pac song, maybe it was by an artist on that label. In the beginning og the song you hear gunshots and a voice say almost in a whisper " Suge killed 2pac" or something to that effect. It gave me the creeps. What song was that? Blackout805 or someone help me out! Maybe I was hearing things, but i don't think so since my brother heard it to, and played it for me just so I could hear that.
I can help you with this one (I'd argue I'm the bigger 2pac fan, but oh well :) ).

It is on the "Makaveli the Don Killuminati" CD. It is in the very beginning of the first song (called Bomb First). If you listen closely, before the reporter begins speaking, you can hear someone distinctively say, "Suge shot him." This line is actually said before you hear any gunshots, as it is the very first thing said on the CD.

Hope that helps. Feel free to ask me any further questions you may have.

Thanx Mr. Fuji!!! that did help a lot, I was wondering about that for a while thanx for your help!!

Hello,

Would someone here be so kind as to explain to me exactly why "Tupac" is such a legendary figure? Admittedly, I have never listened to rap, but when I read the lyrics to songs such as "Crooked Ass *****," "I Don't Give a F*ck," "You wonda why they call U b*tch," and "F*ck the World," I honestly cannot understand why this man is always spoken of so glowingly. There is even a giant mural of him in the Student Center of the university I attend.

Has he done something extraordinarily heroic that I'm unaware of? What am I missing? I am really trying hard to understand this, but I just can't.

I think the guy was genius at what he did, including the poetry.

The girls he was chatting with had something to do with it, created a diversion in my opinion.

Hello,

Would someone here be so kind as to explain to me exactly why "Tupac" is such a legendary figure? Admittedly, I have never listened to rap, but when I read the lyrics to songs such as "Crooked Ass *****," "I Don't Give a F*ck," "You wonda why they call U b*tch," and "F*ck the World," I honestly cannot understand why this man is always spoken of so glowingly. There is even a giant mural of him in the Student Center of the university I attend.

Has he done something extraordinarily heroic that I'm unaware of? What am I missing? I am really trying hard to understand this, but I just can't.


Tupac was to rap music what Kurt Cobain was to rock music. I say that because their music seemed to speak to the generation of that time. I can say that at first I was neither a fan of Tupac or Kurt until I actually listened to their music, really looked at the lyrics and their life stories etc. Yeah I'm a dork when it comes to music appreciation but now I'm a fan of both.

I saw a documentary about Tupac a few years back. Anyway, Tupac's mother Afeni talked about how whenever her son would have questions directed to the label regarding his money, they would offer him a new car or a new watch, etc to basically pacify him or shut him up about where his money really was going. The sad thing was that the label was using Tupac's own money to pay for that new car or that new watch, etc. Even crazier, Afeni said that when they were going through Tupac's financial affair after he died, Tupac only had $2.13 to his name.

Suge Knight had gang ties so one of the rival gang members could have murdered Tupac in retaliation for something he or Suge had done. That's one theory. Suge could have orchestrated Tupac's death. I do believe Tupac wanted to leave Deathrow or if he didn't, I think at some point (sooner than later), he would have followed Dr. Dre's lead and left. I'm not sure what kind of album deal he had with Suge Knight but it could explain why he put out so much music to the point where even years after his death, we're still hearing new music from Tupac. Whatever the case, I don't tink his case will ever be solved until Suge Knight meets his maker. Even though Death Row Records is pretty much kaput, this man still evokes a lot of intimidation and fear with a lot of people.

Hello,

Would someone here be so kind as to explain to me exactly why "Tupac" is such a legendary figure? Admittedly, I have never listened to rap, but when I read the lyrics to songs such as "Crooked Ass *****," "I Don't Give a F*ck," "You wonda why they call U b*tch," and "F*ck the World," I honestly cannot understand why this man is always spoken of so glowingly. There is even a giant mural of him in the Student Center of the university I attend.

Has he done something extraordinarily heroic that I'm unaware of? What am I missing? I am really trying hard to understand this, but I just can't.


go to Youtube


type in the following songs


"Who Do you believe in" (featuring Yafeu Fula by the way)

"Papa's Song"

"Part Time Mutha"

"So Many Tears"

"Me Against the World"

"Changes"

"Only Fear of Death"

"Do for Love"

"It Hurts the Most"




this will erase any questions of yours regarding 2pac's cult following