View Full Version : Guilt and Innocence


DarkDante
02-26-2005, 10:30 PM
Just wanted to update the group on a few things - First the Brook Baker case, it's probably one of the saddest cases ever profiled (although I believe from the standpoint of a fan of the show if it was done in the 80s rather in the 90s the segment would have been a lot scarier - but I digress) - Brook was really blessed with two gifts which likely led to her death: beauty and brains. For those who don't know Brian Jones (not the Rolling Stone) was convicted of Brooke's murder his apparent motive was a simple infactuation gone awry. His recent attempt for an appeal was based on the fact that the jury was prejudiced against him because the prosecutor claimed that Brian renacted a scene from the film "Curdled" in his murder of Baker - I truly believe Jones is a nut with a fixation problem and its good he is in jail for the rest of his life for the murder of not only brook but the other girl featured in the segment as well. His appeal was recently (2/05) denied.

On the other hand the case of Margo Freshwater is just looking to be overturned. I normally don't feel much sympathy for murders but I truly believe that Margo was the type given how she was portrayed in the segment who could easily fall under the spell (for lack of a better term) by a man such as the crazed lawyer portrayed in the segment. In this case I wish UM left well enough alone - I feel terrible for the families who lost loved ones but Margo is not to blame here. In fact the murderer himself (the lawyer - I forget his name) actually pleaded insanity, and was set free after a fifteen year term in the psych ward never actually serving a day in prison. Margo although she did break out of jail which I cannot condone spent her years "on the lam" becoming a productive member of society - getting married and raising a family and now many years later no longer poses a threat to society in my view. I think her sentence should be overturned for the several reasons outlined above - If you tend to agree Margo's husband has set up a petition (with over 200 signatures) to attempt to get Margo clemency or at least a new trial:

That site can be found here: http://mccartorfund.org/case.html

PS: I'm going to be in Indiana next week and was thinking of leaving some flowers on Brook's grave if I can locate it - I just feel so bad about this case :( - I'll let you know how it goes - Hey btw did the guy who visted the plant where Dave Bocks was apparently killed ever report back with any findings?

Later.

Todd Mueller
03-02-2005, 01:05 AM
Hey btw did the guy who visted the plant where Dave Bocks was apparently killed ever report back with any findings?

Later.


Wasn't his name Dale Bocks? That was a weird, weird case. That one always bothered me.

DarkDante
03-02-2005, 02:24 AM
nah it was dave - I'm sure of it because it is on the "Bizarre Murders" dvd set - You are right a very strange case UM seemed to indicate that co-workers tossed dave into the vat but it also seemed that Dave was well liked at work (at least no outward grudges were mentioned) - I would say it was likely he fell in but then how would that explain the wire they found in with Bocks - maybe someone up in management wanted him dead - who knows - very strange.

Later.

Todd Mueller
03-05-2005, 10:05 PM
nah it was dave.


You're right... Sorry about that. It must have been all that discussion about Liz Carmichael and the "Dale." :)

I was getting Dave Bocks confused with Dale Kerstetter, the guy who disappeared with the platinum from that plant and they could never tell if he was a victim or a co-conspirator. Do you remember that case?

That was another weird one...

DarkDante
03-06-2005, 01:51 AM
case I'm a bit conflicted whether Dale K. is guilty of the crime (with the difference being to my knowledge Dale K. was never found) - the security footage seems to indicate that Dale knew the folks who were looting the plant but according to his family that would be out of character and by appearances he looks like a nice old man. But I guess appearances can be decieving and the security footage definatley is pretty incriminating.

This is possibly all moot now because I believe that case was one of the 80s cases and Dale K. is likely dead or close to it (as morbid as that sounds) so the likelyhood that if he is alive that he would be found and put on trial is slim to none. I do remember Robert Stack mentioning that Dale K. did have problems in past jobs but was a hard worker at this particular plant or something to that effect. If you put me on the spot I'd have to say he was guilty because family members and loved ones will often go to extremes to mantain the good name of their loved one and to a lesser degree their family name. Take for instance the elderly gentlemen from canada who disappeared (actually abandoned) his family because he was under investigation for some type of identity fraud and was found hiding in a hotel somewhere - Well during the segment the daughter swore up and down that her father "would never willfully abandon his family and that was totally out of character" and what not and that is exactly what he did - so egg was on the face there no?

Later.